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Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
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Posted - 2013.06.05 13:27:00 -
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any good reason why pretty ever single expansion for the last 2-3 years were sealed with **** of caldari fleet? :Drake, HMLs/tengus, now i see raven got a kick in the nuts too. wtf? raven was the weakest BS in this game for the last like 2 years as it is .. so you decided to work on that and nerf it even more? WHY...? just.. WHY? |
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
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Posted - 2013.06.05 13:35:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Xamiakas wrote:"dear" CCCP Complaining to defunct communist states about Icelandic game companies never turns out well. well, if you`re in this game for more than say 2-3 months, you`ll know what they`ve deserved the "Cccp" for.. :D |
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
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Posted - 2013.06.05 13:48:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:I too hate it when they nerf something by increasing the damage it can produce.
humor me: tell me how exactly keeping the bonuses as they were, low slot number - as it was.. and taking one high slot away results in higher damage potential? |
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
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Posted - 2013.06.05 13:56:00 -
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Paul Panala wrote:All of the Raven pilots I know are really happy about the patch. You need to look at both the hull changes and the changes to cruise missiles.
As far as the Drake, yeah, as a Drake pilot I was frustrated about the changes...but I have to admit. The old Drake did seem OP compared to other Ballecruisers. I think they may have gone a little too far in nerfing it, in my opinion at least.
Give CCP some credit, they are doing a HUGE rebalance. They may not get everything right. We already saw they went back and tweaked a few of the same ships again in this patch. Sometimes it is hard to predict what will happen when you change 20 ships at a time. happy `bout cruise missile changes? excuse where exactly did i mention PVE RAVEN pilots ? and since WHEN hisec PVE should take upper hand to low,null,wh`s again? happy to cruise missile changes?:D that really sounds more like telling me that they`ve buffed caldari cruiser hulls by raping HMLs and supposedly buffing HAMs :D as i`ve said before already.. this isn`t a FAQ for newcomers.. and if "rebalance" you mean the continuation of the few year old tradition by NERFING caldari yet again, you`re actually right :D though, really SHOULD go check the dictionary. don`t know wtf you on about? if you really don`t, apply for a job @ CCCP = you`re a perfect recruit. |
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:00:00 -
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Samillian wrote:Xamiakas wrote:any good reason why pretty ever single expansion for the last 2-3 years were sealed with **** of caldari fleet? :Drake, HMLs/tengus, now i see raven got a kick in the nuts too. wtf? raven was the weakest BS in this game for the last like 2 years as it is .. so you decided to work on that and nerf it even more? WHY...? just.. WHY? Raven - buffed. Scorpion - buffed. Navy Drake - introduced. Drake - rebalanced, HAM Drakes work well. Tengu - HML rebalanced the hull itself like all T3 is overpowered. Caracal - buffed. Moa - buffed (possibly my favourite blaster boat now). OP I'm not really seeing things in the same light you are, please explain how you feel Caldari ships in general and the Raven in particular have been nerfed rather than just stating it to be so. er.. so raping the dps and the ranges on the hml`s is a buff? wait.. WHAT?:D and how is taking slots away from a raven a buff ? |
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:03:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Xamiakas wrote: excuse where exactly did i mention PVE RAVEN pilots ? There are other kinds? sorry my dear little cheap troll.. ignored. i`d like to say "cya" but i know i won`t. |
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:05:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Your Post is too docile, use this thread instead to post Your squeamish little complaints. :) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=223608&find=unreadEnter the Arena, join the fray, spill the blood and guts of the other forum gladiators on the floor. The looser gets nothing but death and the eternal disgrace of his memory, but the winner... +1 internez and maybe, just maybe the attention of our CCP overlords. soz, ignored as spam. cy.. er.. nvm. bye |
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:07:00 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote:Damn them, increasing the effectiveness of the Raven is clearly a huge nerf.
Pretty much all the T1 hulls in the game are in a good place now, really dont know what everybody is getting there panties in a twist about.
Now CCP, hurry up and buff the HACs. i think you`re a 3rd "really intelligent" person telling me that keeping bonuses the same but lowering the number of slots on the raven was actually a buff.. haven`t seen a single one actually making any sense so far. feel like being the 1st one?:D |
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:15:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:Just briefly, Quote:Cruise missiles have been overhauled to be a viable weapon system in actual combat. Rate of Fire on all Cruise Missile Launchers has been increased by 5% (as clarification, that means they shoot more often, not less). All Cruise Missile Launcher powergrid needs have been increased by 200. Base velocity for all Cruise Missiles has been increased from 3750m/s to 4700m/s. Base flight time for all Cruise Missiles has been reduced from 20 to 14 seconds. All Cruise Missile damage has been approximately increased by 25%. To compensate, all Cruise Missiles explosion radius has been increased by 10% (meaning they will hit smaller targets for less damage). Good so far for pve ravens what sad sob gives a flying F `bout pve ravens? and WHY would they if they can do better in a drake? faster too btw? :D a high slot less - means one neut less.. or one smarty.. |
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:17:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Xamiakas wrote:and how is taking slots away from a raven a buff ? It's been repurposed to an Attack Battleship & cruise missiles, which is the weapon of choice for Raven pilots, have received a significant buff to their performance. Overall the new Raven will perform far better than the old one. at pve - yes. at pvp - are you stupid? rhetorical, incase you didn`t get that bit. |
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Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:21:00 -
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Alex Sinai wrote:Quote:It's been repurposed to an Attack Battleship & cruise missiles, which is the weapon of choice for Raven pilots, have received a significant buff to their performance. Overall the new Raven will perform far better than the old one. Why do I get a feeling this guy fly Raven PVE or even Raven Screenshots and thinks thats the way it should be. Fun fun. cause he said that himself :DDD he IS a hisec fart still struggling with l4`s. what do you expect?:D |
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:28:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:Xamiakas wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Xamiakas wrote:and how is taking slots away from a raven a buff ? It's been repurposed to an Attack Battleship & cruise missiles, which is the weapon of choice for Raven pilots, have received a significant buff to their performance. Overall the new Raven will perform far better than the old one. at pve - yes. at pvp - are you stupid? rhetorical, incase you didn`t get that bit. Oh, I'm sorry. I could have sworn earlier you were complaining it was a nerf for pve pilots. It's still a good deal for pvp pilots, even though a raven is a bad idea for most pvp in most every situation I've seen. Look at it this way, you lose a neut but you gain a web/scram or painter. More damage is always a good idea for pvp, and missiles are bad for pvp. Sad but true. try again miss, this time, make some sense :D if missiles are so bad for pve, lol ccp wouldn`t have nerfed HMLs.. and now ravens :D YES.. higher dps is good for pvp .. at the same time.. there are other things to pvp .. like neuts, AOE.. potential of which was so nicely decreased on ravens. <-- unbelievably low tollerance to stupidity in people. That + you being your mother's child might aswell be the main reason why i am NOT your father. |
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:35:00 -
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Samillian wrote:OP I really don't see what your problem is.
Lets take the Raven with Cruise now doing an extra 30% damage with faster base flight time added to the hulls bonuses this allows you to apply that damage far better than you were before and should more than makes up for the loss of a high slot.
You have increased PG and CPU allowing you better fitting options as well as an additional mid-slot and increased capacitor.
While you have lost some native tank you have gained extra speed a faster align time and a lowered sig radius .
As for HML's there range was excessive and gave to much of an advantage to missile spamming gangs, I do tend to think the DPS drop was a little on the high side but not enough to worry me. Try HAM Drakes, they are fun boats and do a good job unless of course you have personal problems with opponents actually being within effective combat range of you.
The fact is that Caldari ships are used more now in PvP (with the exception of the Drake and the Blackbird) than I have seen since I started playing the game. This rebalance has given the Raven a chance to crawl out fo the PvE oubliette it has languished in for years as the T1 cruiser rebalance brought the Caldari hulls back into the light.
If you don't want to see this then that is of course up to you to maintain your delusion of choice. oh .. so let`s see.. they`ve taken the weapon type that basically would let raven use HALF of the potential dps on it, buffed the dmg of that weapon by 30% (for really slow people.. that`s still worse than torps) and called it a buff? while removing a high slot.. which was normally used to fit a neut or smarty. makes sen...er... :D come back when you`re old enough to buy beer. <-- unbelievably low tollerance to stupidity in people. That + you being your mother's child might aswell be the main reason why i am NOT your father. |
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:37:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Alex Sinai wrote:It's so lovely to see all these "PVPers of HighSec or theory" praising Raven nerf. Lots of fun. Thanks Xam! :-) So is reding idiots who can't explain how they used thier raven in pvp since it's a **** combo of range bonus on large missile to begin with. It was unable to brawl because the tank was bad, the rage bonus on missile is poor at best because it put cruise way too damn far to be usable and torps are still bad damage application on any target faster than a POS. lesson for those that are still convinced the new launcher was a major buff to the game: one uses raven in a same way as a mega with blasters.. only, does higher dmg at anything that`s bigger than a frig. clear enough or still struggling? try tetris first. <-- unbelievably low tollerance to stupidity in people. That + you being your mother's child might aswell be the main reason why i am NOT your father. |
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:39:00 -
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Xamiakas wrote:Kijo Rikki wrote:Xamiakas wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:[quote=Xamiakas]and how is taking slots away from a raven a buff ? It's been repurposed to an Attack Battleship & cruise missiles, which is the weapon of choice for Raven pilots, have received a significant buff to their performance. Overall the new Raven will perform far better than the old one. at pve - yes. at pvp - are you stupid? rhetorical, incase you didn`t get that bit. Oh, I'm sorry. I could have sworn earlier you were complaining it was a nerf for pve pilots. It's still a good deal for pvp pilots, even though a raven is a bad idea for most pvp in most every situation I've seen. Look at it this way, you lose a neut but you gain a web/scram or painter. More damage is always a good idea for pvp, and missiles are bad for pvp. Sad but true. try again miss, this time, make some sense :D if missiles are so bad for pve, lol ccp wouldn`t have nerfed HMLs.. and now ravens :D YES.. higher dps is good for pvp .. at the same time.. there are other things to pvp .. like neuts, AOE.. potential of which was so nicely decreased on ravens. What's the range on neuts and smartbombs? shorter than t2 point, right? Who are you killing, other than people that don't know to stay out of neut range? if you`re using a disrupt on a bs with short ranged weaponry.. you really shouldn`t have stopped mining that veldspar. <-- unbelievably low tollerance to stupidity in people. That + you being your mother's child might aswell be the main reason why i am NOT your father. |
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:46:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Xamiakas wrote:Samillian wrote:OP I really don't see what your problem is.
Lets take the Raven with Cruise now doing an extra 30% damage with faster base flight time added to the hulls bonuses this allows you to apply that damage far better than you were before and should more than makes up for the loss of a high slot.
You have increased PG and CPU allowing you better fitting options as well as an additional mid-slot and increased capacitor.
While you have lost some native tank you have gained extra speed a faster align time and a lowered sig radius .
As for HML's there range was excessive and gave to much of an advantage to missile spamming gangs, I do tend to think the DPS drop was a little on the high side but not enough to worry me. Try HAM Drakes, they are fun boats and do a good job unless of course you have personal problems with opponents actually being within effective combat range of you.
The fact is that Caldari ships are used more now in PvP (with the exception of the Drake and the Blackbird) than I have seen since I started playing the game. This rebalance has given the Raven a chance to crawl out fo the PvE oubliette it has languished in for years as the T1 cruiser rebalance brought the Caldari hulls back into the light.
If you don't want to see this then that is of course up to you to maintain your delusion of choice. oh .. so let`s see.. they`ve taken the weapon type that basically would let raven use HALF of the potential dps on it, buffed the dmg of that weapon by 30% (for really slow people.. that`s still worse than torps) and called it a buff? while removing a high slot.. which was normally used to fit a neut or smarty. makes sen...er... :D come back when you`re old enough to buy beer. How many painters do you run to be able to get any damage application on those torps? Because it's pretty much only on bombers and golems that they do anything good. The explosion velocity is so large you can be at least partially speed tanked by a dread... i could tell you that using rage torps to shoot at untackled cruisers is stupid.. but if you haven`t figured that on your own.. doubt it`d do any good. as for HMLs.. range was NOT the only thing they`ve nerfed on them .. fail again? also .. "The fact is that Caldari ships are used more now in PvP (with the exception of the Drake and the Blackbird) than I have seen since I started playing the game" please.. tell me where exactly did you get THAT fact from ?:D *smells yet another fail" <-- unbelievably low tollerance to stupidity in people. That + you being your mother's child might aswell be the main reason why i am NOT your father. |
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:57:00 -
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how about using raven way it was built? slap torps, shield buffer, hug some bs and melt it`s face? cruise missiles for pvp? rofl.. REALLY? :D that sounds even worse than a solo mega fit with rails... geez <-- unbelievably low tollerance to stupidity in people. That + you being your mother's child might aswell be the main reason why i am NOT your father. |
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:11:00 -
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The Slayer wrote:Xamiakas wrote:how about using raven way it was built? slap torps, shield buffer, hug some bs and melt it`s face? cruise missiles for pvp? rofl.. REALLY? :D that sounds even worse than a solo mega fit with rails... geez Its almost like the Raven isn't built to go toe to toe with other BS at 0km range. You might need to use a different ship, maybe one thats more suited to blasters and close range combat (Rokh perhaps). Also you have yet to answer the question as to how you use this in PVP, I presume with a small gang/tackling friend since there is no way to fit a Raven for tackling and tank. i answered your question already .. you actually even quoted it too:d and still don`t see the answer dude, really?and wtf was that "almost like" :D how about it always was? and rokh was more of a sniper?:D you really have no clue F you`re on about.. <-- unbelievably low tollerance to stupidity in people. That + you being your mother's child might aswell be the main reason why i am NOT your father. |
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:16:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Xamiakas wrote:The Slayer wrote:Xamiakas wrote:how about using raven way it was built? slap torps, shield buffer, hug some bs and melt it`s face? cruise missiles for pvp? rofl.. REALLY? :D that sounds even worse than a solo mega fit with rails... geez Its almost like the Raven isn't built to go toe to toe with other BS at 0km range. You might need to use a different ship, maybe one thats more suited to blasters and close range combat (Rokh perhaps). Also you have yet to answer the question as to how you use this in PVP, I presume with a small gang/tackling friend since there is no way to fit a Raven for tackling and tank. i answered your question already .. you actually even quoted it too:d and still don`t see the answer dude, really?and wtf was that "almost like" :D how about it always was? and rokh was more of a sniper?:D you really have no clue F you`re on about.. All that time spent in wormholes has left you out of touch with the game. Devblogs are your friend. i totally forgot.. we have diff ships in wh`s vs those in Kspace, right?:D i wish.. wouldn`t need to see the best subcap bashboat in this game being nerfed to suit hisec mission runners' needs. devblogs don`t really help if they`re there to state the obvious, which in this case is: "we`re still going with the notion to remove the last caldari ships from pvp fleets!" <-- unbelievably low tollerance to stupidity in people. That + you being your mother's child might aswell be the main reason why i am NOT your father. |
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
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Posted - 2013.06.06 15:50:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Skydell wrote:You need to look at the new build costs as well.
The new Raven is cheaper to build than the Naga and not a whole lot more than a Ferox. It's the same with the Apoc, Thron and Tempest. Once the market resets these ships will drop well below 100 mill. With the additional minerals in ABC I won't be surprised to see Ravens hit 50 mill. Really? I thought CCP said they wanted to increase the built costs of the Raven and the scorpion to be on par with the Rokh... aaaaaaaaand this is a good example of brainless retards yacking on topics they have no f idea `bout, Dear Deborah... <-- unbelievably low tollerance to stupidity in people. That + you being your mother's child might aswell be the main reason why i am NOT your father. |
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