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Emu Meo
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:19:00 -
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When I first read about true stories I was intrigued. A really interesting idea I thought, and I felt encouraged to begin penning a story of my own. That is until I read about how they were going to judge the winner, namely, based upon player votes. I thought to myself no matter how good a story I may write, it will never get enough votes as likely all of the votes will come from the alliance blocks as per usual in these situation.
Just as predicted, it is exactly as I suspected. Mitanni at the top spot with a pretty bland and generic take on the famous BOB disbandment. He probably just copy and pasted it from anther source and instructed all his goons to up vote it. The other stories were also pretty boring and generic, with the second place prize going to a story with literally zero literary talent displayed, more akin to a check list of events which occurred.
A wasted opportunity indeed CCP. Did you really not forsee this happening? |
Malen Nenokal
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
9
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:23:00 -
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Post your story so I can vote for it then, or are you just here to complain about people who have already done that? |
Jake Rivers
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
159
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:25:00 -
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May the tears never stop. Senex Legio Recruiter Team |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1730
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:26:00 -
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Malen Nenokal wrote:Post your story so I can vote for it then, or are you just here to complain about people who have already done that?
They have a point though. The votes obviously just got block swarmed. It doesn't reflect actually interesting stories, just nul sec events.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
4316
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:27:00 -
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I like how whenever something doesnt go the way someone wants its always a debacle or a conspiracy. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
955
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:28:00 -
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Emu Meo wrote:Just as predicted, it is exactly as I suspected. Mitanni at the top spot with a pretty bland and generic take on the famous BOB disbandment. He probably just copy and pasted it from anther source and instructed all his goons to up vote it. Pretty much exactly what happened... I'm not entirely clear on the point of this, but I do have a sudden urge to jump in a catalyst and blow up a miner. Twitter! - @AzamiNevinyrall I'm half expecting a ban for this post. |
Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1149
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:28:00 -
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Emu Meo wrote:When I first read about true stories I was intrigued. A really interesting idea I thought, and I felt encouraged to begin penning a story of my own. That is until I read about how they were going to judge the winner, namely, based upon player votes. Let me guess, your gripping tale was about undocking, warping to an ice belt, activating lazors, and then penning a retell of some anime.
I can see how the alliance vote matters in this case. CCP has no sense of humour. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2035
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:28:00 -
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1st time I glanced at the thread topic I thought it said "True Sansha Debacle". For a split second I thought I finally got that FFS (Forum Faction Spawn) i'd been waiting for all these years, but alas it was not to be. |
Malen Nenokal
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
9
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:28:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Malen Nenokal wrote:Post your story so I can vote for it then, or are you just here to complain about people who have already done that? They have a point though. The votes obviously just got block swarmed. It doesn't reflect actually interesting stories, just nul sec events.
Sure, but there are also non-block members of the CSM. If OP isn't willing to even try then they have no room to complain. |
Kanmar Centae
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:30:00 -
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I read the post and viewed the poster's name and automatically read it as Emo.
Post the story and don't give a rat's if it wins or not. If the story is good people will let you know. |
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Northern Misfit
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
16
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:30:00 -
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With a 5,000 word limit it's hard to put any amount of description on a big event like the fall of BoB, however if the reader of the story put much effort into an internet search I'm quite sure they'd be able to find a more expansive version of the story. As a matter of fact, my first hit was 9 articles and 3 videos.
I will babysit your stuff for you while you're gone, all contributions to my ship replacement program are-ásubject to being exploded on the undock
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Malak Dawnfire
The Scope Gallente Federation
204
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:32:00 -
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Just write a story about Mintchip and her experiences in EVE, make sure it's compressed into a twitter format. |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
810
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:32:00 -
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literary competitions such as these should not be left to the hands of players whose mantra is "tl;dr" This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1730
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:33:00 -
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Malen Nenokal wrote:Anslo wrote:Malen Nenokal wrote:Post your story so I can vote for it then, or are you just here to complain about people who have already done that? They have a point though. The votes obviously just got block swarmed. It doesn't reflect actually interesting stories, just nul sec events. Sure, but there are also non-block members of the CSM. If OP isn't willing to even try then they have no room to complain.
Oh no I'm not justifying OPs surrender before the fight even started. I'm saying I can see why they'd be discouraged, in combination with the alt army already criticizing OPs presumed lack of nul/low activity by saying they'd 'retell an anime.'
Hah?
To me, nulsec is blob, blob, more blob. I wouldn't want to read a story about that, one after the other. Additionally, CSM is a difference situation. I can't comment on that. However, given historical reference in Eve (see Mittani's election), it's a fairly safe bet to infer that Mittens got his votes from the bee's. I read his story...wasn't that great compared to others.
Long story short, I'm just saying that I can see how OP and others would get discouraged because of vote ganking. It's not like vote gank/vote blob is a myth and never happens. It's a logical and credible conclusion.
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Malak Dawnfire
The Scope Gallente Federation
204
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:35:00 -
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Did anybody really doubt which story would win anyway? |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
New Eden Asteroid Preservation Society
3000
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:36:00 -
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There were some really interesting small gang stories that got completely ignored in favor of those written by famous players with alliance voting power. The OP had a point, though calling it a debacle is a bit overly dramatic. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |
Emu Meo
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
119
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:39:00 -
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I lost my motivation to write anything once I realised that the prize would simply be taken by the block votes. Yes, that is me being lazy, but I have other things to do and to compose a story worth reading it isn't something you can simply knock up in under an hour.
But I'm not too concerned personally, as I didn't end up wasting my time writing a story in a vain attempt to obtain an impossible prize. I just wanted to tell CCP if they read this that I think it was a nice idea, but a missed opportunity in the way it was handled. I'll probably write up another story without motivation for a prize at a later day anyway when I have some more time on my hands. |
Chloe C Connor
EVE University Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:39:00 -
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I discovered the "story" site a few weeks ago and started reading and rating the "stories".
To be honest, I did not find one true story in there, unless CCP redefined the meaning of "story". Everything I found read like a copy from the forums, with no attempt to even tell a plot.
Did CCP tell the authors that under all circumstances they should avoid using traditional story elements, and that they should tell everything in forum speech instead?
Was this site meant to be distinctly different from the EVE Stories site from the start? |
Malak Dawnfire
The Scope Gallente Federation
207
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:50:00 -
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Chloe C Connor wrote:I discovered the "story" site a few weeks ago and started reading and rating the "stories". To be honest, I did not find one true story in there, unless CCP redefined the meaning of "story". Everything I found read like a copy from the forums, with no attempt to even tell a plot. Did CCP tell the authors that under all circumstances they should avoid using traditional story elements, and that they should tell everything in forum speech instead? Was this site meant to be distinctly different from the EVE Stories site from the start?
Confirmed that EVE players aren't the next SOIAF writers. |
Foodpimp
Heaven's Harvesters LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
119
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:56:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:I like how whenever something doesnt go the way someone wants its always a debacle or a conspiracy.
I don't have a dog in this race, but it's pretty obvious how this has worked for years. The majority of votes are typically going to go to those individuals that belong to the largest alliances, regardless of quality or content. Of course not always, but the lions share. Nothing really wrong with that, but to deny it is dishonest. It is what it is. |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
2321
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:20:00 -
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GIGO, you ask who can get more votes for a creamy fart and you get a top voted creamy fart*.
This True Story issue strikes me as the exact opposite of the "design a starship" initial disaster.
The first round of "design a starship" had too few EVE and too much outside talent(?).
The True Story contest has had way too much EVE and null outside talent(?).
I wish good luck to the Black Horse guys trying to make a comic out of BoB's demise and then earn any money with it.
*not commenting on the quality of the winner work. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Seven Koskanaiken
Nothing Is True Everything Is Permitted
185
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:25:00 -
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RememberWhenYouBlewUpASun |
Malak Dawnfire
The Scope Gallente Federation
209
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:29:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RememberWhenYouBlewUpASun
No! I'll be reading these Tropes for like a week now! Damn you! |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
324
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:33:00 -
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While the upvote campaigns were to be expected, the downvoting campaigns were childish and retarted. |
Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
384
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:43:00 -
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I wrote a story Titled. The debacle of the belligerent undesirables: conspiracy edition. An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4228
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:44:00 -
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I'm pretty sure that those stories will simply be the loose inspiration for something written from the ground up for a viewing audience... so the story telling competence of the writer isn't really that big a factor.
What matters is that the material be appropriate for an intriguing script to be written around, and provide enough meat to allow plenty of interesting liberties to be taken with it. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
54
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:15:00 -
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The rules were pretty much clear in saying how voting determined the prizes and not what ends up in comic or tv series. That part depends on the writers who are at liberty of using the material. So yes, the voting result was pretty much predetermined, but what will be in the comics or tv series? That remains to be seen. |
Bolow Santosi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
99
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:56:00 -
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Foodpimp wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:I like how whenever something doesnt go the way someone wants its always a debacle or a conspiracy. I don't have a dog in this race, but it's pretty obvious how this has worked for years. The majority of votes are typically going to go to those individuals that belong to the largest alliances, regardless of quality or content. Of course not always, but the lions share. Nothing really wrong with that, but to deny it is dishonest. It is what it is.
He's not being disingenuous at all. Of course the larger alliances are going to win anything that involves a community vote. But to call it a debacle or a conspiracy when it's anything but is being a sore loser. The real prize will be the stories that get used for the TV show, not the 130b+ isk in PLEX |
Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.06.05 22:17:00 -
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The OP didn't call it a conspiracy, simply a debacle. I agree somewhat, it seems like a better system would have been if player votes were perhaps 50% weighted, and then CCP had the other 50% to decide. In general though the quality of the writing was quite poor, so I wouldn't really call it a story competition, it was more of best eve event competition. And the BOB and Goon wars were probably some of the biggest events in eve. |
Jmanis Catharg
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology State Section 9
0
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Posted - 2013.06.05 22:49:00 -
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Although I submitted a story and got omg3votes (and one down vote, a pox on ye!), which is more than the one vote from myself I expected, and would largely agree that the highest-voting stories are pretty uninteresting as I've never really been or cared for all the alliance-bearing, I question that there's anything wrong with the way this went. (Not that it matters, but my story, fwiw)
Firstly, don't confuse 'good' with 'popular'. Otherwise we wouldn't have terms like "mainstream" which are disparagingly used to describe the things which are highly popular, but generally, pretty mundane. Everyone still "loves" them, but that's thanks to marketing, rather than the product.
Second,, if CCP really does want to make movies, comics etc. out of these stories, they want them to be popular. I've not really heard of any other games doing this, but fact is, popularity makes money and good business. Just being a good product isn't enough to get it over the line. Just look at some projects in kickstarter an example of this in action. |
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