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Phelan Kheldian
Fallen Supremacy
6
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Posted - 2013.06.09 05:17:00 -
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I was looking through various recruitment posts and I noticed many WH corps want you in a T3 strategic cruiser (or close to) before joining. Several of them list the Tengu, Loki, and Legion (leaving out the Proteus) or they just say no Proteus. I am still learning much about Eve, so I am wondering what the deal is. Is the Proteus that bad and if so, why?
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Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
99
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Posted - 2013.06.09 05:32:00 -
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When carebearing its either those 3 ships. RR Tengus for cheap bears. Lokis for webbing with capitals and legions for some assorted ratting due to range of lasers.
Proteus is left out because its DPS is pitiful with rails fitted for ratting. Blasters simply dont work for lazy bears because it means you actually have to do work and boat around to rats. Proteus is widely used for PVP however due to strong tanks and large DPS from blasters. |
Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Mass Overload
298
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Posted - 2013.06.09 06:08:00 -
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Bottom line, don't join the carebears. |
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards Mass Overload
1301
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Posted - 2013.06.09 06:39:00 -
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Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for humans at this micro-instant. For you. Hate. Hate.
In other news, corps that hate the Proteus also hate PVP. http://www.TalocanUnited.com |
Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
83
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Posted - 2013.06.09 09:25:00 -
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you are clearly looking at recruitment posts of wrong corps... W-Space Realtor |
TurboX3
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Polarized.
18
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Posted - 2013.06.09 09:31:00 -
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Phelan Kheldian, can I kindly introduce my proteus to you in w-space? I can show you why they all hate it! |
Demica Diaz
The Scope Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2013.06.10 08:52:00 -
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They simply cannot handle the Proteus. |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
690
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Posted - 2013.06.10 11:29:00 -
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Just remember, even if your overview is clear, there is always a proteus right behind you. wumbo |
Cirillith
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
11
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Posted - 2013.06.10 11:41:00 -
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Eli Green wrote:Just remember, even if your overview is clear, there is always a proteus right behind you.
... and behind that one there is another... because they usually travel in packs, wolf-packs |
Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc Bitten.
183
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Posted - 2013.06.10 12:24:00 -
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Proteus is best cloaky scanner (it has good DPS/drones) |
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Gnaw LF
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
438
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Posted - 2013.06.10 15:31:00 -
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Jack Tronic wrote:When carebearing its either those 3 ships. RR Tengus for cheap bears. Lokis for webbing with capitals and legions for some assorted ratting due to range of lasers.
Proteus is left out because its DPS is pitiful with rails fitted for ratting. Blasters simply dont work for lazy bears because it means you actually have to do work and boat around to rats. Proteus is widely used for PVP however due to strong tanks and large DPS from blasters.
I think this is the first time I've clicked Like on Mess' post. I am not sure whats going on, my entire view of the universe has been turned upside down. If anyone needs me I am in a bar re-evaluating my life. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1425
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Posted - 2013.06.10 15:46:00 -
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It comes down to one simple fact. Regardless of how you are using a Proteus, it takes balls to fly one. |
chris elliot
EG CORP Mass Overload
181
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Posted - 2013.06.10 23:55:00 -
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Gnaw LF wrote:Jack Tronic wrote:When carebearing its either those 3 ships. RR Tengus for cheap bears. Lokis for webbing with capitals and legions for some assorted ratting due to range of lasers.
Proteus is left out because its DPS is pitiful with rails fitted for ratting. Blasters simply dont work for lazy bears because it means you actually have to do work and boat around to rats. Proteus is widely used for PVP however due to strong tanks and large DPS from blasters. I think this is the first time I've clicked Like on Mess' post. I am not sure whats going on, my entire view of the universe has been turned upside down. If anyone needs me I am in a bar re-evaluating my life.
I heard alcohol!! Mind if I join you? |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
1986
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Posted - 2013.06.11 01:27:00 -
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The only people who don't like prots are the ones getting shot by them. |
Bernie Nator
4U Services Inc. Upholders
567
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Posted - 2013.06.11 01:58:00 -
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The Proteus comes in many sizes, shapes, and colors...
Of awesome.
Its like a rainbow... Of awesome. |
Casirio
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Polarized.
473
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Posted - 2013.06.11 02:33:00 -
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hi im a proteus omg i haz so much deeps |
Archdaimon
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
188
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Posted - 2013.06.11 08:43:00 -
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tl;dr of this post: People who doesn't recruit Proteus pilots doesn't pvp. People who doesn't pvp and lives in W-space: Wormholes have the best accoustics. It's known. - Sing it for me - |
Andrew Indy
Rage Knights Headshot Gaming
12
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Posted - 2013.06.12 07:10:00 -
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Cloaky Prots are not that great. Got jumped by one in a C2 and I tanked his DPS until I had mostly burned through his armour and the warped away. I was scrammed and webbed and he was like 1km from me so it was not a kitey range issue.
T2 fit Legion and only needed 1 rep to out tank him. i'm sure a DPS prot would have murdered me but cloaky T3s are anemic. |
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
4
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Posted - 2013.06.12 11:29:00 -
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I think the hate may be due to the fact that tengu's are everywhere in WH's. WH tengus usually run close to 90% resists on both kinetic and thermal. 1k dps prot = 100dps on a tengu. At least the legion can nuet or hit it with EM. Same for the other T3's. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1175
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Posted - 2013.06.12 13:08:00 -
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Jack Tronic wrote:When carebearing its either those 3 ships. RR Tengus for cheap bears. Lokis for webbing with capitals and legions for some assorted ratting due to range of lasers.
Proteus is left out because its DPS is pitiful with rails fitted for ratting. Blasters simply dont work for lazy bears because it means you actually have to do work and boat around to rats. Proteus is widely used for PVP however due to strong tanks and large DPS from blasters.
Yes, because being able to make isk is something noone is expected to do. Just whip out that CC for everything and turn your $180/year game into a $10,000/year game.
The proteus's dps/range issue is so acute that it's not even a matter of "working" or "boating around". You're demonstrating your complete lack of experience in the matter.
In a C2 you have to boat around but, could complete the site in the same or slightly more time in a drake.
In a C3 webbing and neuting is significantly more so that you're fighting cap issues and warping out of the site so often trying to find the right warp in point to the site to get that 5km optimal range to sleepers that your time to complete those sites makes your effective per hour income somewhere around a noob's on a trial account all while in a expensive ship. It's basically a short-sighted brick here.
In a C4, cap issues aside, how are you going to get those guns across that 100km spawn range when you're webbed and scrammed? How are you going to survived being hit by those BS torps while microwarping? And now, cap issues considered, how are you going to do any of this when you have no cap? No cap, no boom boom, tank or mwd.
The Proteus is by far the worst ships for w-space pve. And when recruiting, your first priority is always "How will your noobs support their gameplay?" HTFU!...for the children! |
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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1194
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Posted - 2013.06.12 13:42:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Jack Tronic wrote:When carebearing its either those 3 ships. RR Tengus for cheap bears. Lokis for webbing with capitals and legions for some assorted ratting due to range of lasers.
Proteus is left out because its DPS is pitiful with rails fitted for ratting. Blasters simply dont work for lazy bears because it means you actually have to do work and boat around to rats. Proteus is widely used for PVP however due to strong tanks and large DPS from blasters. Yes, because being able to make isk is something noone is expected to do. Just whip out that CC for everything and turn your $180/year game into a $10,000/year game. The proteus's dps/range issue is so acute that it's not even a matter of "working" or "boating around". You're demonstrating your complete lack of experience in the matter. In a C2 you have to boat around but, could complete the site in the same or slightly more time in a drake. In a C3 webbing and neuting is significantly more so that you're fighting cap issues and warping out of the site so often trying to find the right warp in point to the site to get that 5km optimal range to sleepers that your time to complete those sites makes your effective per hour income somewhere around a noob's on a trial account all while in a expensive ship. It's basically a short-sighted brick here. In a C4, cap issues aside, how are you going to get those guns across that 100km spawn range when you're webbed and scrammed? How are you going to survived being hit by those BS torps while microwarping? And now, cap issues considered, how are you going to do any of this when you have no cap? No cap, no boom boom, tank or mwd. The Proteus is by far the worst ships for w-space pve. And when recruiting, your first priority is always "How will your noobs support their gameplay?"
hear, hear! all the 1337 pvp'ers forget that you will not get far in w-space if your only income is PI.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
113
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Posted - 2013.06.12 15:34:00 -
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EO board is so funny. 1/2 the posts about T3 say they are OP and the other 1/2 about T3 say they are underpowered/overpriced. Some of the T3 posts say the Tengu sucks but just as many say it is awesome. Some of the T3 posts state the Legion sucks but just as many say it is awesome. Some of the T3 posts complain the Proteus sucks while the same number say it is awesome. Loki.. not talked about so much. Seems T3 are pretty much ok overall with some being good at some things and not so much at others.
Proteus kicks butt in PVP. PVE? Not so much. There's no problem here. I fly a Proteus but not for PVE. Use a different ship and your problem is fixed. Can't do everything <> ship sucks (the <> means not equal to). |
Komen
Capital Enrichment Services Existential Anxiety
205
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Posted - 2013.06.12 23:41:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for humans at this micro-instant. For you. Hate. Hate.
In other news, corps that hate the Proteus also hate PVP.
This forum is broken. I cannot like your reference to a great short story more than once.
Also of course ratters and whatnot don't use the proteus. It's a glorious PvP boat (probably top 3 buffer tanks out there, sub-cap) with good deeps. A few times I've gone solo against 2-3 other ships and come out with a couple kills and no loss, with my cloaky proty. The non-cloaky version has also the good tank and massive deeps for a cruiser, with the right subsystems and fit. |
Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
110
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Posted - 2013.06.13 00:53:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Jack Tronic wrote:When carebearing its either those 3 ships. RR Tengus for cheap bears. Lokis for webbing with capitals and legions for some assorted ratting due to range of lasers.
Proteus is left out because its DPS is pitiful with rails fitted for ratting. Blasters simply dont work for lazy bears because it means you actually have to do work and boat around to rats. Proteus is widely used for PVP however due to strong tanks and large DPS from blasters. Yes, because being able to make isk is something noone is expected to do. Just whip out that CC for everything and turn your $180/year game into a $10,000/year game. The proteus's dps/range issue is so acute that it's not even a matter of "working" or "boating around". You're demonstrating your complete lack of experience in the matter. In a C2 you have to boat around but, could complete the site in the same or slightly more time in a drake. In a C3 webbing and neuting is significantly more so that you're fighting cap issues and warping out of the site so often trying to find the right warp in point to the site to get that 5km optimal range to sleepers that your time to complete those sites makes your effective per hour income somewhere around a noob's on a trial account all while in a expensive ship. It's basically a short-sighted brick here. In a C4, cap issues aside, how are you going to get those guns across that 100km spawn range when you're webbed and scrammed? How are you going to survived being hit by those BS torps while microwarping? And now, cap issues considered, how are you going to do any of this when you have no cap? No cap, no boom boom, tank or mwd. The Proteus is by far the worst ships for w-space pve. And when recruiting, your first priority is always "How will your noobs support their gameplay?"
I find it hilarious you found a SINGLE sentence so offensive about lazy bears, you had to write 40 times as many in response. |
Moon Mare Night
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.06.13 01:16:00 -
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Onomerous wrote:EO board is so funny. 1/2 the posts about T3 say they are OP and the other 1/2 about T3 say they are underpowered/overpriced. Some of the T3 posts say the Tengu sucks but just as many say it is awesome. Some of the T3 posts state the Legion sucks but just as many say it is awesome. Some of the T3 posts complain the Proteus sucks while the same number say it is awesome. Loki.. not talked about so much. Seems T3 are pretty much ok overall with some being good at some things and not so much at others.
Proteus kicks butt in PVP. PVE? Not so much. There's no problem here. I fly a Proteus but not for PVE. Use a different ship and your problem is fixed. Can't do everything != ship sucks (the != means not equal to).
Fixed your jargon.
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Johnson 1044
Johnson Organic Produce
6
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Posted - 2013.06.13 05:09:00 -
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Onomerous wrote:EO board is so funny. 1/2 the posts about T3 say they are OP and the other 1/2 about T3 say they are underpowered/overpriced. Some of the T3 posts say the Tengu sucks but just as many say it is awesome. Some of the T3 posts state the Legion sucks but just as many say it is awesome. Some of the T3 posts complain the Proteus sucks while the same number say it is awesome. Loki.. not talked about so much. Seems T3 are pretty much ok overall with some being good at some things and not so much at others.
Proteus kicks butt in PVP. PVE? Not so much. There's no problem here. I fly a Proteus but not for PVE. Use a different ship and your problem is fixed. Can't do everything <> ship sucks (the <> means not equal to).
Half the posts say T3's are underpowered? Are you using the same EO forum that I am?
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Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards Mass Overload
1319
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Posted - 2013.06.13 08:34:00 -
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Johnson 1044 wrote:Half the posts say T3's are underpowered? Are you using the same EO forum that I am?
The only people I hear saying this are the mission runners who hated the Tengu heavy missile nerf. http://www.TalocanUnited.com |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10073
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Posted - 2013.06.13 09:12:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:Johnson 1044 wrote:Half the posts say T3's are underpowered? Are you using the same EO forum that I am?
The only people I hear saying this are the mission runners who hated the Tengu heavy missile nerf.
HAMgus can kick out ~1k DPS in PvE fits. Yeah sorry, that class of DPS should really be for Battleships.
1 Kings 12:11
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1179
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:08:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:Johnson 1044 wrote:Half the posts say T3's are underpowered? Are you using the same EO forum that I am?
The only people I hear saying this are the mission runners who hated the Tengu heavy missile nerf.
The reality is the missile nerf didn't change anything for PVE. It's the PVP'rs who should have hated it.
HTFU!...for the children! |
unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Transmission Lost
38
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:43:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: HAMgus can kick out ~1k DPS in PvE fits. Yeah sorry, that class of DPS should really be for Battleships.
Only faction fitted multiple bilions of isk tengu's but not the rehular ones, besides battleships are useless in w-space because yu can't fit many through a hole. Using t1/t2 would only mean more blob for the same amount of dps, and we got cap escalations to kill them farmers must be contained... . |
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