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AkatokuChaos
Knights of the Dark Rose
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Posted - 2013.06.09 16:52:00 -
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What do you guys think? Should Black Ops Battleships be able to fit Covert Ops Cloaking Devices instead of just up to Improved Cloaking? |
vyshnegradsky
Pompeii Syndicate No Safe Haven
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Posted - 2013.06.09 17:12:00 -
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AkatokuChaos wrote:What do you guys think? Should Black Ops Battleships be able to fit Covert Ops Cloaking Devices instead of just up to Improved Cloaking?
no This one's a bit over the edge guys.
Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.
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Mike Adoulin
Trans-Aerospace Industries
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Posted - 2013.06.09 17:33:00 -
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yes |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.09 17:33:00 -
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it already has a 625% cloaked velocity modifier lol |
Amanda Chelian
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Posted - 2013.06.09 17:35:00 -
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They make for very lousy black ops due to not having the ability to warp while cloaked, and that's made obvious by how unpopular they are. I still don't understand why CCP decided that a ship type designed specifically for stealth doesn't get the same tools as other ship types in the same category. |
Amanda Chelian
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Posted - 2013.06.09 17:37:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:it already has a 625% cloaked velocity modifier lol
Assume 100 m/s base.
Improved cloak penalty: -75% -> 25 m/s Black ops V bonus: 625% -> 156 m/s
Wow, amazing bonus. |
Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
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Posted - 2013.06.09 17:44:00 -
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No, because that would lead to the ship class becoming very overpowered. It would become a nigh uncatchable battleship with the ability to covertly cyno in reinforcements. If you want that ability, use a cloaky T3. I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Amanda Chelian
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Posted - 2013.06.09 17:51:00 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:No, because that would lead to the ship class becoming very overpowered. It would become a nigh uncatchable battleship with the ability to covertly cyno in reinforcements. If you want that ability, use a cloaky T3.
So a T3 is allowed to do it (with a bubble nullifier, no less!) but a slower, easier to lock, and less agile ship, isn't? I'm sorry, I'm just not seeing the "overpowered" here. |
Shinzhi Xadi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.09 18:01:00 -
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I always thought it was stupid that BO can't use a covert cloak. So my vote is to allow it, for consistency among the covert ships, and that it just makes sense. so..
yes |
Janna Windforce
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.09 18:33:00 -
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Yes. So I finally justify skilling for it rather than skilling for jumpdrive skills + T2 cargohold expanders |
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TotalRapeage
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.09 18:34:00 -
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Shinzhi Xadi wrote:I always thought it was stupid that BO can't use a covert cloak. So my vote is to allow it, for consistency among the covert ships, and that it just makes sense. so..
yes
Agree, I vote YES |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.09 18:34:00 -
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Amanda Chelian wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:it already has a 625% cloaked velocity modifier lol Assume 100 m/s base. Improved cloak penalty: -75% -> 25 m/s Black ops V bonus: 625% -> 156 m/s Wow, amazing bonus.
you're underestimating this bonus
it allows you to warp away almost while still cloaked since you can get up to warp speed while cloaked.
plus you move faster than any other battleship class ship while cloaked. |
snakebreath
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.09 18:35:00 -
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YES |
snake03
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Posted - 2013.06.09 18:37:00 -
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Oh hell yes......
YES I'm just a modern day caveman in search of a bigger club. |
infra52x
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.09 18:38:00 -
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YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!!! |
manilabay
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.09 18:40:00 -
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I vote yes |
vyshnegradsky
Pompeii Syndicate No Safe Haven
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Posted - 2013.06.09 18:41:00 -
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You have a Jump drive. Learn to use it. This one's a bit over the edge guys.
Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.
- CCP Falcon |
Amanda Chelian
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Posted - 2013.06.09 18:45:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Amanda Chelian wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:it already has a 625% cloaked velocity modifier lol Assume 100 m/s base. Improved cloak penalty: -75% -> 25 m/s Black ops V bonus: 625% -> 156 m/s Wow, amazing bonus. you're underestimating this bonus it allows you to warp away almost while still cloaked since you can get up to warp speed while cloaked. plus you move faster than any other battleship class ship while cloaked.
I'm not underestimating it. I'm just not understanding how running away faster from cloaking makes Black Ops worth their SP investment and price tag in any way, especially since T3 already do the running-away aspect magnitudes better than black ops due to nullifiers.
As for moving faster, any battleship-sized vessel with an afterburner or MWD will still outrun it by far, and what's the point of crawling around in a battleship anyway, if it can't warp without giving itself away on d-scan? |
chris elliot
EG CORP Mass Overload
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Posted - 2013.06.09 20:00:00 -
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I'd rather have a T2 resist profile and a better slot layout. |
Cage Man
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Posted - 2013.06.09 20:03:00 -
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I say no. I would rather see them have the ability to run their prop mods while the cloaks are on and then apply the velocity bonus. This will them make them unique enough to train for. Imagine sneaking up on a target cloaked at 4-km/s. Lots of other ships can warp cloaked and tackle, you want something tough and sneaky in a black ops ship, well I do The thick plottens... |
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Amanda Chelian
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Posted - 2013.06.09 20:27:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:I say no. I would rather see them have the ability to run their prop mods while the cloaks are on and then apply the velocity bonus. This will them make them unique enough to train for. Imagine sneaking up on a target cloaked at 4-km/s. Lots of other ships can warp cloaked and tackle, you want something tough and sneaky in a black ops ship, well I do
While I don't dislike the idea, you're misclassifying it as sneaking. Inability to warp means you already have to know where your target will be in advance, so it's more like lying in wait than sneaking around.
From a purely gameplay perspective, if you're going to have someone else do the tackle anyway, there's no logical reason you need a Black Ops to come in to apply DPS; most non-covert ships will fill that role just fine (with a fitted improv cloak if you have to stay hidden until something's tackled). This makes the current Black Ops nothing more than a jump bridge, when it could (and should, in my opinion) have a clearly defined role, which includes flying together with other ships in the same category, such as recons, stealth bombers, etc. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
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Posted - 2013.06.09 21:11:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Amanda Chelian wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:it already has a 625% cloaked velocity modifier lol Assume 100 m/s base. Improved cloak penalty: -75% -> 25 m/s Black ops V bonus: 625% -> 156 m/s Wow, amazing bonus. you're underestimating this bonus it allows you to warp away almost while still cloaked since you can get up to warp speed while cloaked. plus you move faster than any other battleship class ship while cloaked.
If they re do the ship to allow for covert cloaking I'm sure they could re do the bonus at the same time.
So maybe the answer is yes it should but with a heavily reduced bonus. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.06.09 21:13:00 -
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No. If they need more mobility then suggest letting them be able to use propulsion mods while cloaked, if its possible to zero cap recharge while cloaked to prevent uber-mobility (doubles as a righteous nerf to super shenanigans!).
Amanda Chelian wrote:Liam Inkuras wrote:No, because that would lead to the ship class becoming very overpowered. It would become a nigh uncatchable battleship with the ability to covertly cyno in reinforcements. If you want that ability, use a cloaky T3. So a T3 is allowed to do it (with a bubble nullifier, no less!) but a slower, easier to lock, and less agile ship, isn't? I'm sorry, I'm just not seeing the "overpowered" here. The T3's cannot jump or bridge others to invisible jammer immune cyno's .. they are not generic T1 BS you know
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Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.09 21:35:00 -
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Amanda Chelian wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Amanda Chelian wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:it already has a 625% cloaked velocity modifier lol Assume 100 m/s base. Improved cloak penalty: -75% -> 25 m/s Black ops V bonus: 625% -> 156 m/s Wow, amazing bonus. you're underestimating this bonus it allows you to warp away almost while still cloaked since you can get up to warp speed while cloaked. plus you move faster than any other battleship class ship while cloaked. I'm not underestimating it. I'm just not understanding how running away faster from cloaking makes Black Ops worth their SP investment and price tag in any way, especially since T3 already do the running-away aspect magnitudes better than black ops due to nullifiers. As for moving faster, any battleship-sized vessel with an afterburner or MWD will still outrun it by far, and what's the point of crawling around cloaked in a black ops anyway, if it can't warp without giving itself away on d-scan?
They can also make covert jump bridges and have a T2 resist profile.
They can also fit a MWD or AB and you cant use those modules while cloaked so it still beats t1 battleships for that role.
Being able to move into position in decent time while being undetectable is extremely valuable plus you can also combine it with the MJD making some truly fearsome stealth plays.
Blops battleships may need a little love in another department (namely their combat abilities) but it's not this |
Domer Pyle
Northern Flemish Bastards Inc Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.09 22:59:00 -
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BOs already get bonuses to the improved cloaking device, so, no. the only thing that a covert ops cloak would add is the ability to warp cloaked, which is nice, but not that important. "Imagine if the bars to your prison were all you had ever known. Then one day, someone appears and unlocks the door. If they have the power to do this, then are they really the liberator? You never remembered who it was that closed you in." - Ior Labron |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2013.06.10 05:26:00 -
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Domer Pyle wrote:BOs already get bonuses to the improved cloaking device, so, no. the only thing that a covert ops cloak would add is the ability to warp cloaked, which is nice, but not that important. confusing comment. I would say its by far the most important thing to fix to make this ship fit into its proper role and ship category. |
Rain6635
Team Evil
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Posted - 2013.06.10 06:18:00 -
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OP because in the case of the Widow, it also jams Thanatoses for sale-á| is this what a Nyx sitter looks like? |
Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.10 06:30:00 -
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Rain6635 wrote:OP because in the case of the Widow, it also jams Falcon same strength plus range bonus. Ideas for Drone ImprovementTwitter Account-á @Omnathious |
Rain6635
Team Evil
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Posted - 2013.06.10 06:34:00 -
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did you just rebut me with a completely different ship class? please explain why the falcon's existence supports the widow getting a covops cloak Thanatoses for sale-á| is this what a Nyx sitter looks like? |
Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.10 06:51:00 -
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Rain6635 wrote:did you just rebut me with a completely different ship class? please explain why the falcon's existence supports the widow getting a covops cloak Well I was wrong about the range, but yes. The ECM strength is the same so the whole the widow has ECM is a moot point for the covert ops cloak. Ideas for Drone ImprovementTwitter Account-á @Omnathious |
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