AFK cloak campers are broken.
Please show me a valid reason why they are balanced or add anything to the game.

AFK cloak campers are broken.
Please show me a valid reason why they are balanced or add anything to the game.

how does being afk and cloaked generate isk?

AFK cloak campers are broken.
Please show me a valid reason why they are balanced or add anything to the game.
Now i'm not talking about cyno roamers or intel periodic.
I'm talking about people with X accounts knowing there is no way to get rid of them and make a living out of this broken part of them game.
CCP I don't know what type of solution your going to make for this.
Or how your able to defend this type of game play but it has been going on long enough.
This simply needs addressing.
The only reason i'm able to think of why this has not been fixed is pure $$.
But your losing at least 7 people including me if this does not get solved.

A great example of a **** cloak camper is yoyo210

can we please remove local from the game everywhere

i dont get it?

if he is afk and cloaked you have nothing to worry about...

AFK cloak campers are broken.
Please show me a valid reason why they are balanced or add anything to the game.
Now i'm not talking about cyno roamers or intel periodic.
I'm talking about people with X accounts knowing there is no way to get rid of them and make a living out of this broken part of them game.
CCP I don't know what type of solution your going to make for this.
Or how your able to defend this type of game play but it has been going on long enough.
This simply needs addressing.
The only reason i'm able to think of why this has not been fixed is pure $$.
But your losing at least 7 people including me if this does not get solved.

A great example of a **** cloak camper is yoyo210

AFK cloak campers are broken.
Please show me a valid reason why they are balanced or add anything to the game.
Now i'm not talking about cyno roamers or intel periodic.
I'm talking about people with X accounts knowing there is no way to get rid of them and make a living out of this broken part of them game.
CCP I don't know what type of solution your going to make for this.
Or how your able to defend this type of game play but it has been going on long enough.
This simply needs addressing.
The only reason i'm able to think of why this has not been fixed is pure $$.
But your losing at least 7 people including me if this does not get solved.

A great example of a **** cloak camper is yoyo210

On an unrelated topic,

If one were to fit a stealth bomber to go into null and harass miners which, in your opinion, would be the best damage type?

Cloaking is not the issue. It's more the ability to affect gameplay while not at the computer. Though CCP seems to be closing down on afk activities in the broader sense so perhaps we will see something from them on this at some point.

This

Only in your corp/alliance systems to see its you find that funny afterwards .

Dear CCP,

A guy has been sitting in a cloaked Ibis doing nothing in my rented nullsec system for 3 weeks. Please make him go away because I'm too scared to undock, even though I know this guy is doing nothing & can't actually hurt me. I shouldn't have to pay rent for a system I'm too scared to use while a cloaked Ibis is here.

I'm talking about people with X accounts knowing there is no way to get rid of them and make a living out of this broken part of them game

But your losing at least 7 people including me if this does not get solved.

CCP Fozzie said in this stream that they want to look at the cloaking mechanic.

Everyone's entitled to dream I suppose.

When you wake up, one of my alts will still be cloaked in your renter system.

Who's "we"? Do you have a mouse in your pocket or something?

Come on, don't give me that. Intel gathering in Eve is a stale system and you know it.

You've got a chatroom activity list being used as an intel tool, cloaking that doesn't actually provide stealth, a probe system that was originally about triangulation but which has had the tedium patched out of it so many times that it's starting to resemble something else entirely, and then you've got the dscan; Awkward info retrieval based around which way your camera is facing, a mechanic which does not exist in any other form anywhere in the game and reeks of a beta debugging tool.

It's a hodgepodge of multiple game systems designed over multiple years that "work" only in the sense that they don't render the game unplayable. Usually.

My views on AFK cloaking are irrelevant; In order to have a debate about the legitimacy of AFK cloaking, we first have to concede that the system is reasonable and functional, and frankly, that is not something I am willing to concede. Intel gathering in Eve is not in a good enough state for us to be discussing the minutia.

Well, then why don't you take your perceived "problems" and your ideas for solutions over to the Features & Ideas Discussion forum area where they belong?

This thread is just going to get locked because there's already a big AFK cloaking thread in F&I.

Because there's no practical benefit to it. The problem is not a lack of ideas, the problem is that none of those ideas have been implemented yet.

No, the problem is that no-one can really define a problem that needs to be solved, much less offer a solution that doesn't horribly break some part of the gameGǪ

I like this word "conditional" you just used

For all practical intents and purposes, if you can get a stable cloak up, you're indestructible until you decide otherwise.

No, the problem is that no-one can really define a problem that needs to be solved, much less offer a solution that doesn't horribly break some part of the gameGǪ

No you are not.

That doesn't count.

Even if you sit in a safe, you have to log out or use a gate sometime, and you can be killed in either situation.

Cloaked in a safespot.

Either people don't know what afk means or anyone complaining in this thread has been lobotomised.

I was going to post a retort to that, but then I realized I was getting sucked into the debate I promised myself I wouldn't get dragged into; AFK cloaking is a red herring. Cloaking is just another part of the broken intel spectrum.

AFK cloak campers are broken.
Please show me a valid reason why they are balanced or add anything to the game.
Now i'm not talking about cyno roamers or intel periodic.
I'm talking about people with X accounts knowing there is no way to get rid of them and make a living out of this broken part of them game.
CCP I don't know what type of solution your going to make for this.
Or how your able to defend this type of game play but it has been going on long enough.
This simply needs addressing.
The only reason i'm able to think of why this has not been fixed is pure $$.
But your losing at least 7 people including me if this does not get solved.

A great example of a **** cloak camper is yoyo210

[quote=Black Dranzer]Go visit the thread in F&I

No you are not.

Cloaked in a safespot

Why cloak is such a problem for some people?

These posts need to end.

Stop the madness CCP, remove Local already.

And if not, at the very least remove cloaked ships from Local, hence the term "Covert" ops.

AFK cloak campers are broken.
Please show me a valid reason why they are balanced or add anything to the game.
Now i'm not talking about cyno roamers or intel periodic.
I'm talking about people with X accounts knowing there is no way to get rid of them and make a living out of this broken part of them game.
CCP I don't know what type of solution your going to make for this.
Or how your able to defend this type of game play but it has been going on long enough.
This simply needs addressing.
The only reason i'm able to think of why this has not been fixed is pure $$.
But your losing at least 7 people including me if this does not get solved.

A great example of a **** cloak camper is yoyo210

So true.

CCP, please, the OP is broken and this need to be adressed. Please remove him and his 7 alts from the game: they just sit spmewhere in new eden doing nothing but making stupid posts on the forum and do not add anything to the game.

This needs to be adressed, enough is enough: please, remove him and his 7 alts.

When they remove local they can put a 12 hour timer on cloaks.

The CCP stock response to "remove local" is "we don't want to cramp Wormhole Space's style".