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BonesDragon
Ops101
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Posted - 2013.06.10 01:21:00 -
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I have played this game for a long time and i enjoy it very much. With all the changes made over the years it has encumbered certain ships that i have trained for and pretty much made them useless for the reason that i trained them for. My suggestion to that would be a full skill reset for anyone who has played for more than three years. certain ships do not even come close to what they used to be. along with equipment and gear that was not available at the time we started playing.
How about a little balancing of our old characters here to compensate for all of the changes made over the years. I for one would gladly pay a plex to reset my skill tree and redistribute all those useless points to areas i could benefit from their distribution. I am also sure others would agree with this, and some would say no way but it is the only fair way to let us take back points that we would not have put in our characters in the first place if the game was made this way 5 years ago.
Thanks for your time and i hope this occurs. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1275
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Posted - 2013.06.10 03:04:00 -
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The "hell no" camp is vocal on this one. I'm generally part of it.
Why should a veteran be able to train for whatever he wants instantly? Why not just slog it out, roll with the changes, and generally be nerf-proof the way only a long-term character can? Why should new players have to train in a single direction when older players can just leap on the flavor of the year and instantly be maxed on any given play style? And really, if you have an entirely bad character, why not try to sell it to someone who would value it and pick one up more to your liking? |
RavenPaine
raven alliance
411
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Posted - 2013.06.10 04:06:00 -
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Confirming:
Hell No !!! |
Digital Messiah
Heroic Era
303
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Posted - 2013.06.10 06:52:00 -
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It would defeat the purpose of remaps, you could never catch up to vets, flavor of the month would reign.
This will never happen because our little chaotic sandbox would turn into an orderly boring and very predictable swing set. Join a Heroic Era today! |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
173
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Posted - 2013.06.10 08:46:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:Confirming:
Hell No !!!
Not empty quoting.
Also: This topic has been gone over many many many times already. So could you OP please explain, in detail, why, exactly, you felt the compelling need to make another thread about it? Enquiring minds want to know. Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
RaTTuS
BIG Insidious Empire
275
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Posted - 2013.06.10 09:27:00 -
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if you want a full skill point reset then may I suggest the Create new Character button http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
627
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Posted - 2013.06.10 09:43:00 -
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And here we go again... Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
Mia Restolo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
104
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Posted - 2013.06.10 15:19:00 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:And here we go again...
Its Monday... isn't usually Tuesdays that this thread gets repeated? |
Marsan
Caldari Provisions
116
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Posted - 2013.06.10 16:24:00 -
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Honestly if you have been playing the game for years, and the skill changes over the last year or so have made your character unplayable something is very wrong. You should still have all your core skills not to mention the ability to fly at every BC or lower tech 1 ship in the game. (If you didn't raise BC to 5 I have no sympathy for you.) Yeah maybe you have a Battleship skill at 5 for carriers, a lot of mining skills for Orcas, and a Indy skill at 5 for a freighter, but those skills are still useful. Battleship V was a pain to train up for carriers, but it's still useful flying Battleships, and for t2s. Personally I'm happy I don't need to train Battleships to V twice more to get access to all caps in the game. Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
157
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Posted - 2013.06.10 17:30:00 -
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I agree with everyone else in saying skill point remap is a HELL NO!
But, with that I always like to voice my opinion on REMOVAL OF UNWANTED SKILLS.
CCP should charge a PLEX so that you can clean up your skill sheet of unused or no longer used skills.
I DO NOT want skill points or cost of the skill books reimbursed.
So people will say, that is just OCD, get over it.
My reply is it does not give me any advantage over other people to remove skills I do not want on my skill sheet,
so you can STFU! R.I.P. Vile Rat |
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14933
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Posted - 2013.06.10 21:38:00 -
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BonesDragon wrote:
Thanks for your time and i hope this occurs.
Thanks for wasting mine, I hope you biomass.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
324
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:05:00 -
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Stop playing fotm and play a ship you like, **** the rest? Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him? |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
1986
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:53:00 -
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Biomass all your toons and start again. there's your reset right there. |
brinelan
The Flying Dead Insidious Empire
44
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Posted - 2013.06.13 17:33:00 -
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no |
Haulie Berry
1062
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Posted - 2013.06.13 17:36:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Biomass all your toons and start again. there's your reset right there.
Confirming that this is the best possible solution for everyone. Go with this. |
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
87
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Posted - 2013.06.16 09:09:00 -
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I agree with the OP and give my reasons thus.
You buy a character and as with many things, it is not 100% perfect with YOUR requirements. Answer: Remap the skills If there is any "HELL NO" replies to that then why do we have the sale of characters?
Another reason: You develop a multi-toon strategy (as you really CANNOT play this game without multiple toons). Your strategy changes and evolves with time and you switch skills - some skills become obsolete for that toon and it would be ideal to re-map. This is the main reason I agree with this thread, I have a pvp main that has several useless industrial skills that I would love to re-map.
So its a big +1 from me I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking |
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
49
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Posted - 2013.06.16 17:25:00 -
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I would love this but instead of using a plex to reset ALL sps how about this:
You can only reset a section of skills such as industry or gunnery or electronics. This would cost you a respec point(or multiple respec points). You could do this once per year then instead of every FOTM |
Daimon Kaiera
Kraken.
312
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Posted - 2013.06.16 17:38:00 -
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Skill point reset:
Everybody gets 1.
That's it. .... . .-.. .--. / .. / .... .- ...- . / ..-. .- .-.. .-.. . -. / .- -. -.. / .. / -.-. .- -. -. --- - / --. . - / ..- .--. / ... - --- .--. - .... .. ... / ... .. --. -. .- - ..- .-. . / .. -.. . .- / .. ... / -. --- - / ... - --- .-.. . -. / ... - --- .--. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14971
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Posted - 2013.06.16 20:28:00 -
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Klandi wrote:I agree with the OP and give my reasons thus.
You buy a character and as with many things, it is not 100% perfect with YOUR requirements. Answer: Remap the skills If there is any "HELL NO" replies to that then why do we have the sale of characters?
Another reason: You develop a multi-toon strategy (as you really CANNOT play this game without multiple toons). Your strategy changes and evolves with time and you switch skills - some skills become obsolete for that toon and it would be ideal to re-map. This is the main reason I agree with this thread, I have a pvp main that has several useless industrial skills that I would love to re-map.
So its a big +1 from me If you buy a character, then you buy it's history. This includes the corps it's been involved in, the scams it may have been involved in and the skill set it has. The sale of characters happens, because CCP allows it as it doesn't bypass those consequences.
The only real guarantee of a perfect character, is to train it yourself when you know exactly what you want. But if you are buying one then keep looking. If you don't like the skill set one has, then don't buy it.
The beauty with this game is it doesn't limit you to a class. If at any time you change your mind and wish to go in another direction, then simply train the skills.
I'll leave you with this quote, that states all the reasons it's a bad idea.
Tippia wrote:It removes the point of having skills to begin with. It removes the point of having attributes. It removes attribute implants from the game. It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups. It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character. It removes planning and choice and consequences. It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas. It kills character trading. It massively boosts older characters over new ones. It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Sir Spottington
Merchants Trade Consortium The Last Chancers.
1
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:09:00 -
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i wouldn't mind being able to totally remove a skill without any reimbursement, get rid of those mining, science and indy skills i trained when a noob messing up my skill sheet |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10164
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Posted - 2013.06.17 08:53:00 -
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Sir Spottington wrote:i wouldn't mind being able to totally remove a skill without any reimbursement, get rid of those mining, science and indy skills i trained when a noob messing up my skill sheet
In and of itself this wouldn't cause any problem for anybody, but realistically, if CCP enabled this then it would take about 4 picoseconds for people to start demanding reimbursement for removed skills.
Perhaps its best that your OCD receives a few challenges instead
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Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
158
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:51:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Sir Spottington wrote:i wouldn't mind being able to totally remove a skill without any reimbursement, get rid of those mining, science and indy skills i trained when a noob messing up my skill sheet In and of itself this wouldn't cause any problem for anybody, but realistically, if CCP enabled this then it would take about 4 picoseconds for people to start demanding reimbursement for removed skills. Perhaps its best that your OCD receives a few challenges instead
I am glad a CSM member realizes that someone wanting to remove a unwanted skill for no reimbursement would not hurt anyone.
But I don't see why you would put the statement about people would start demanding from CCP reimbursements for removed skills. There is a warning box that would pop up saying if you removed this skill then you do it at your own risk & CCP cannot be held responsible.
Just like with jumping into lowsec, a warning pops up. If a player still jumps into lowsec, can he then petition CCP to have his shipped replace for being popped? NO
If CCP insures the warning is clearly worded that if you remove this skill, YOU WILL NOT BE REIMBURSED. Then no one can start demanding anything. Of course, there will always be whiners & complainers about everything in this game. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2208
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:24:00 -
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Klandi wrote:I agree with the OP and give my reasons thus.
You buy a character and as with many things, it is not 100% perfect with YOUR requirements. Answer: Remap the skills If there is any "HELL NO" replies to that then why do we have the sale of characters?
Another reason: You develop a multi-toon strategy (as you really CANNOT play this game without multiple toons). Your strategy changes and evolves with time and you switch skills - some skills become obsolete for that toon and it would be ideal to re-map. This is the main reason I agree with this thread, I have a pvp main that has several useless industrial skills that I would love to re-map.
So its a big +1 from me
Pretty much what Mag's said.
Also, realize when you buy a character, it is not as if its skillpoints appear out of thin air. That character had to take the time to train and develop its skillset, just like any other character in this game.
All character take the same potential time to train each and every skill in this game, which includes the growing pains. We all realize the kids at the kiddie table want to instantly grow up and play adult games, but do you really think this is good for EvE?
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Kirkwood Ross
Golden Profession
34
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Posted - 2013.06.17 22:58:00 -
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Use a Plex to reset up to 1m skillpoints, AWWWW YEAH!
lololol |
SilentStryder
Aliastra Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.06.19 03:43:00 -
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Kirkwood Ross wrote:Use a Plex to reset up to 1m skillpoints, AWWWW YEAH!
lololol
I wouldn't mind that I probably wouldn't even use all of it, I would just shave a few none combat or non pvp skills off my other accounts character. Player: EVE Online, Capsuleer, hunger games enthusiast. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2013.06.23 16:44:00 -
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Things change, tough. This isn't a trade union, just because you've been here longer doesn't make you special... |
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