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Sylvester Slake
Disbelievers of Fate
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Posted - 2013.06.10 06:32:00 -
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So.. ive been playing Eve for about 4 months now, I have 2 accounts that ive been multiboxing for a couple weeks now, and thats going all good and everything..
But I am really starting to see that Eve cliff climb..
om my main toon, I feel I am doing alriight for how long I have been playing, but whenever I try to go into the PVP relm I just get annialated by people that have 5 years worth of skills backing them.
But I am getting sick and tired of pve. I just cant stand to shoot another npc, or deliver another bottle of spiced wine. its just so borrring to do ALL THE TIME.
I have been thru half a dozen corps now, none of them seem to really have the sort of things that I'm looking for. Ether they are 24/7 mining industrialists, or they are PvPers that are in a lot of wars, and the only time I am able to undock safely is when the corp wanted to go out, because of wardecs.
I just cant seem to find an active corp that is somewhere in the middle. i would love to look forward to daily roams, and get to pew pew but I don't want to have to sacrifice any pve for that, as that is what it seems like. Choose one or the other..
Why is corp hunting so hard??
So, if by chance you are reading this and want to recommend a corp Im all ears at this point!
Thanks :) |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
678
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Posted - 2013.06.10 06:47:00 -
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All i can really offer you is this guide. It will help you know what to look for and how to approach a corp you are interested in. Recruitment is not allowed on this section of the forum so you will have trouble finding a corp here, sorry :( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=245333&find=unread
Good luck and dont give up Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Ace Menda
Phoibe Enterprises
15
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Posted - 2013.06.10 06:48:00 -
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I see 2 weird things in your OP:
1.) You think that SP are the biggest force multiplier. They are not.
2.) You want to PvP, but you find that PvP corps have too many wars. That's the whole idea of a PvP corp, have many wars cause it gives them targets.
Here is a guide that might help: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=245333&find=unread
ARGH...Ninja-mom. Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1914
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Posted - 2013.06.10 06:52:00 -
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Community Spotlight - Brave Newbies Inc. |
Sylvester Slake
Disbelievers of Fate
6
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Posted - 2013.06.10 07:09:00 -
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Ace Menda wrote:I see 2 weird things in your OP: 1.) You think that SP are the biggest force multiplier. They are not. 2.) You want to PvP, but you find that PvP corps have too many wars . That's the whole idea of a PvP corp, have many wars cause it gives them targets. Here is a guide that might help: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=245333&find=unreadARGH...Ninja-mom.
thanks for the posts
But that is what is making it challenging for me-- Theres a difference between light pvp where ya go into low/null on a roam for a couple hrs here and there
But then thers a complete different situation when your wardec'd and every hisec gate is camped with Loki's prothius's and Tengu's.
I just don't want to have to deal with that in hi sec. As I said in my original post. I don't wanna have to be worried about undocking my drake in hisec to go run a mission or 2 without being blasted by bits before I can even warp off, because my corp mates arn't there to clear the way with THEIR t3 ships. (the ones I don't have the skill points for yet)
I find a lot that people don't think the skills are required but they forget how much they have-and take them for granted. Hell I did that when I started my second char. the first few days of that, i just felt so pathetic and weak with that toon. Still is pretty weak since Ive only developed industrial skills
But yea. I was in Brave Newbies for the course of 2 days, same thing. Great PvP corp, if thats all ya wanna do. But good luck doing a mission- Which as I said I dont wanna sacrifice. That is my income. Without that I will be out of isk in no time.
But yea, Thankyou for the posts i shall read thru them now :) |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
678
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Posted - 2013.06.10 07:16:00 -
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No matter what corp you join there will be war decs once in a while. You might just have had some bad luck and joined during a war dec every single time, but normally an empire war dec will only last for a week or two, unless the war is really profitable for the aggressors.
Honestly you should look for more of an all around corp, but keep in mind that if you join a corp like this you cant log on and expect there to be a PVP fleet going right then just because you want it. However you can use the opportunity to start your own roams.
Remember getting blown up is a part of PVP, and its a valuable learning experience. So dont be afraid to take a few people with you, go out there and get blown out of the sky a few times. Keep your ships cheap, and have fun when doing it and learn from your mistakes. It might seem like you are always going down, but soon enough you will learn the tactics and you can cheer when you get your first kill
Edit; Ace, im about to head to bed so the forums are all yours Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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erg cz
Sliperer
4
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Posted - 2013.06.10 07:35:00 -
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I wonder if militia can give ppl pvp experience they are searching for...
And one more idea of how to find active PvP corp, that keeps low profile: check local killboard... |
Ace Menda
Phoibe Enterprises
15
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Posted - 2013.06.10 07:50:00 -
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Sylvester Slake wrote:Ace Menda wrote:I see 2 weird things in your OP: 1.) You think that SP are the biggest force multiplier. They are not. 2.) You want to PvP, but you find that PvP corps have too many wars . That's the whole idea of a PvP corp, have many wars cause it gives them targets. Here is a guide that might help: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=245333&find=unreadARGH...Ninja-mom. thanks for the posts But that is what is making it challenging for me-- Theres a difference between light pvp where ya go into low/null on a roam for a couple hrs here and there But then thers a complete different situation when your wardec'd and every hisec gate is camped with Loki's prothius's and Tengu's. I just don't want to have to deal with that in hi sec. As I said in my original post. I don't wanna have to be worried about undocking my drake in hisec to go run a mission or 2 without being blasted by bits before I can even warp off, because my corp mates arn't there to clear the way with THEIR t3 ships. (the ones I don't have the skill points for yet) I find a lot that people don't think the skills are required but they forget how much they have-and take them for granted. Hell I did that when I started my second char. the first few days of that, i just felt so pathetic and weak with that toon. Still is pretty weak since Ive only developed industrial skills But yea. I was in Brave Newbies for the course of 2 days, same thing. Great PvP corp, if thats all ya wanna do. But good luck doing a mission- Which as I said I dont wanna sacrifice. That is my income. Without that I will be out of isk in no time. But yea, Thankyou for the posts i shall read thru them now :)
There are plenty of corporations that will suit your needs you just mentioned. The issue is that you have to make compromises in it.
A corporation that does occasional PvP roams into low/null will mean that you have to agree that they might not have one every time you log on for one. That doesn't mean you just can't start one yourself, but keep in mind that others might not be in the PvP mood that day.
Another way to deal with it, split your characters. As you said you have 2 of them. Get one into a PvP heavy corporation and have the other one join a more ISK making orientated corp. You can make ISK with the one and transfer it to your PvP character. Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Kyra Quinn
We Are Really Scary
44
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Posted - 2013.06.10 08:08:00 -
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I'm kinda in the same situation atm; I really do want to learn and do PVP but at the same time I want to be able to sit back and relax when *I* want to, without having to look over my shoulder every minute. For that I made an alt, gave it a bit of basic training (2 weeks is more than enough to get some basic frigate and support skills) and put it in RvB. That way I can literally switch between "pvp mode" or not, while still training skills and doing PVE (for now at least) on Kyra.
Perhaps an idea for you. The adventures of a newbie: http://kyraquinn.wordpress.com/ |
voetius
L V B Industries STELLAR CONSTELLATION
44
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Posted - 2013.06.10 08:44:00 -
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I started PvP in a fairly casual way by going on the Agony Unleashed classes. I can think of three ways off the top of my head to get the sort of PvP without a heavy committent that may suit you:
1. Agony Unleashed. They have the normal classes that get announced on their website and through their mailing list.
1b. They also have free for anyone roams that are announced through their mailing list.
Agony also have a public chat channel you could ask questions in there, Agony Public or Agony Pub, can't recall the exact name.
2. Ganked are connected with RvB and have public roams I believe. Ingame channel R-V-B for more info.
3. Bombers Bar : these guys use stealth bombers and afaik it's open to all.
There are other organisations that do public roams or semi open activities but they come and go and I can't think of any that are active atm. |
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
508
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Posted - 2013.06.10 09:45:00 -
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On the subject of wardecs: why not look into a lowsec based PVP corp? When you base out of lowsec there is very little point in wardeccing you in the first place. You will gain valuable pvp and pvp-prevention techniques simply by living in dangerous space. Also, there's room to actually combine PVE with PVP in anomalies, signatures and belts. I always belt-ratted while scanning for targets, and the introduction of Clone tags sees me giving chase to a lot more people. |
Ace Menda
Phoibe Enterprises
15
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Posted - 2013.06.10 10:38:00 -
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voetius wrote: I started PvP in a fairly casual way by going on the Agony Unleashed classes. I can think of three ways off the top of my head to get the sort of PvP without a heavy committent that may suit you:
1. Agony Unleashed. They have the normal classes that get announced on their website and through their mailing list.
1b. They also have free for anyone roams that are announced through their mailing list.
Agony also have a public chat channel you could ask questions in there, Agony Public or Agony Pub, can't recall the exact name.
2. Ganked are connected with RvB and have public roams I believe. Ingame channel R-V-B for more info.
3. Bombers Bar : these guys use stealth bombers and afaik it's open to all.
There are other organisations that do public roams or semi open activities but they come and go and I can't think of any that are active atm.
Great points.
Want to fix a very very minor mistake on point 2.
RvB Ganked IS open to everyone. It's just hosted by some major RvB character, all hail CSM Mangala for it.
And the channel regarding RvB Ganked is: RvB Ganked
R-V-B is the general public chat for RvB. Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Chal0ner
EntroPrelatial Industria EntroPraetorian Aegis
54
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Posted - 2013.06.10 11:07:00 -
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Consider looking at 0.0 corps. Lots of PVP but often only "Strat Ops" and CTAs are mandatory. Especially in renting corps, you will not need to join every PVP roam/op posted. Especially if you are just getting into pvp you may want to stay out of the west side of space as Everything is on fire there at the moment (from Esoteria to Fountain, including Delve).
You will also make ISK enough doing combat sites and belt ratting. |
Ace Menda
Phoibe Enterprises
15
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Posted - 2013.06.10 11:20:00 -
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As to elaborate why skillpoints are not the biggest force multiplier in fights...
All skills cap at 5. So if you have trained your racial frigate to 5 you are as good as anybody that has that trained. If he has 100mil SP more then you, they are in other places, this just means that he has more options to pick from then you do.
Same with where those skillpoints are located. You can be geared for PvP from day one and fight someone with 50mil SP which are all in Industry related stuff, which means you have better skills.
But the main knowledge why older players win over newer players most of the time....experience.
They know the game mechanics. They know what their strengths and weaknesses of their ships. They know the strengths and weaknesses of other ships. They then know, when to fight or when to GTFO from the field. No amount of SP will cover that knowledge.
As a new player with a high wallet in RL, you can buy a 100mil character, it will still make you suck at PvP because you lack the knowledge of to utilize those SP.
I do agree, a lot of times us (bitter)vets take our SP for granted. Whenever I roll a new alt, I feel naked and confused why my fits aren't working like they do on my older characters. But those alts can be very effective anyway, cause of the knowledge I bring with them. Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Trudeaux Margaret
London Elektricity The Aurora Shadow
2
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Posted - 2013.06.10 11:38:00 -
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All I can say is that hopping from corp to corp every time the going gets a little rough does you no favors. you don't learn how to adapt and it makes your employment history look bad to potential corps that might really be the closest thing to a perfect fit for you.
The little alliance I am in has been wardecced for roughly 90% of the time I have been with them, which is nearly the whole time I have been playing this game. It wasn't pleasant at all at first, but now I guess I treat it as a normal state of affairs. EVE is a PvP game and war is at the heart of nearly everything.
And as for being wrecked all the time by players with years of skill time ahead of us; as far as highsec wardecs that is true. But if you find a corp that sponsors roams into low and even null, you'll find that the tables can be turned quite easily. Yesterday a group of us, led by some great guys who've been in the game a long time and who are willing to train noobs like me, went into nullsec with Talwars! - yes, those funny-looking rickety Minmatar missile destroyers - and wrecked a few unsuspecting players who were far more experienced and who were in far better ships. It was tons of fun and this is the sort of thing you could be doing if you would just stick around with a decent corp instead of running away every time something tickles you.
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Sylvester Slake
Disbelievers of Fate
9
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Posted - 2013.06.10 12:41:00 -
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Trudeaux Margaret wrote:All I can say is that hopping from corp to corp every time the going gets a little rough does you no favors. you don't learn how to adapt and it makes your employment history look bad to potential corps that might really be the closest thing to a perfect fit for you.
The little alliance I am in has been wardecced for roughly 90% of the time I have been with them, which is nearly the whole time I have been playing this game. It wasn't pleasant at all at first, but now I guess I treat it as a normal state of affairs. EVE is a PvP game and war is at the heart of nearly everything.
And as for being wrecked all the time by players with years of skill time ahead of us; as far as highsec wardecs that is true. But if you find a corp that sponsors roams into low and even null, you'll find that the tables can be turned quite easily. Yesterday a group of us, led by some great guys who've been in the game a long time and who are willing to train noobs like me, went into nullsec with Talwars! - yes, those funny-looking rickety Minmatar missile destroyers - and wrecked a few unsuspecting players who were far more experienced and who were in far better ships. It was tons of fun and this is the sort of thing you could be doing if you would just stick around with a decent corp instead of running away every time something tickles you.
I want to have fun. Staying docked up 95% of the time knowing that when i undock im gonna very likely get sploded by a fleet of harbengers waiting for me, well thats not fun.
And if a corp is going to judge me by my stats, well I can say right off the bat that corp is prolly not for me. Because I am not in the least bit concerned for killboards or anything of the like. I play the game for entertainment, and thats about it. Im not too concerned for myself dieing or whatever as long as I have enough for another ship, clone, and implants, im good to go.
thats one of the reasons I left one of the other corps I was in. One of the corp leaders threatened to kick anyone that died to a war target when they wern't in an active fleet. Thats the sort of **** I can't stand. But it seems there are a lot of people in eve that all they do is flaunt thier killboard and think the only thing to do in this game is shoot at things.
I dont know whats so hard for some people to understand that sometimes people like to relax in hisec drink a beer and get high and watch some npcs splode with no worry in the world other then the very seldom things ya gotta worry about in hi sec.
Thers just a bit of a difference between getting your feet wet and jumping headfirst into PvP. I already tried going in headfirst and slammed my head off the bottom. This time I want to ease into it a little better - have better escapes other then docking up and waiting 8 hrs until a corpmate can come on and help out.
Not only that for me to make isk at this point is a very long and drawn out process. I cant even do lvl 4 missions yet. And I couldn't imagine bringing anything more then a cruiser into losec yet. I just don't have that sort of budget...
But I am getting ahold of Agony and Eve -Uni and gonna see what I can work up.
Thanks for all the handy info :) |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
241
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Posted - 2013.06.10 13:32:00 -
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Sylvester Slake wrote:
But that is what is making it challenging for me-- Theres a difference between light pvp where ya go into low/null on a roam for a couple hrs here and there
Forget that. There is no difference, you are just known as a part timer. Part timers get wardeced by full timers.
The problem with most high sec corps is they use the part time PvP as a recruitment tool but have no idea what they are doing. Those make great targets for war decers. It usually starts like this:
Part timer CEO: Hey guys this war is gunna be fun I don't care if I loose a few ships.
Three days later...
Part timer corp members: WTF I lost all my ships and there are war targets on the station I can't even go to Jita. This isn't fun anymore I'm just going to play WoW till this war is over.
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Praxis Ginimic
330
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Posted - 2013.06.10 14:59:00 -
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Stop dual boxing. Split your toons up. Put one into an indy/mission corp for earning isk and the other into a pvp corp for spending it |
Zanzbar
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
136
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Posted - 2013.06.10 15:05:00 -
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just my 2 cents on the pvp skillpoint barrier, im basing this on a 1v1 with both parties using a similar fit so take it with a grain of salt.
yes personal skill/experiance matter more then character SP, however there is a period of time starting out where the lack of sp is a considerable hurdle. having support skills leveld up makes a huge difference and it takes several months of skilling to get them all to 4-5, their bonuses are tiny but all those 1% start to add up. i used to think the difference wasent that big until a previous corp of mine mainly comprised of newer players held an all t1 single elimination frig tourny one day with me participating in the last round just in case. every fight was almot dead even with some lasting almost 10 min however when it came my turn i poped the previous leader in less then 30 sec. they scaned my ship to make sure i was using all t1 and proceded to ask me what kind of amazing fit i was using, they pluged it into eft and the results were a bit surprising. the other members were able to get about 40-70 dps with my fit, i was able to get 110 (pre ship rebalance for those wanting to say "but mine does x")
you will eventualy hit a point where all your supports are sufficient and its at this point where you start to become competative in pvp and going against a ship with similar weapons/ mods will be a fair fight it just takes some time. once you hit this point you can train into a ship/fittingand no ammount of skillpoints will make an older player vastly superior to you in that same boat. what you will run into at this stage is that older players will have a longer list of competative level ships at their disposal but will not be able to compleatly outclass you by using the same boat that you have skilled.
the point is the skill gap is not as bad as many newbies lead themselves to beleive, but not as insignificant as many vets lead themselves to beleive either.
also as said above watch out for those " we do pvp as well" corps as any greifer corp or mermc corp looking for entertainment between contracts will see it as "we dont pvp often enough to be practiced at it but will show up to fights to lose ships when challenged"
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Zak Breen
Breen Enterprises
110
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Posted - 2013.06.10 15:47:00 -
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IMO CCP needs to implement some sort of storyline into the game. I think it would be much more fun than the boring missions and also to satisfy the people who don't like to PvP. Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of not knowing. http://www.di.fm/spacemusic |
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erg cz
Sliperer
4
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Posted - 2013.06.10 16:01:00 -
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Zak Breen wrote:IMO CCP needs to implement some sort of storyline into the game.
I thought we have one. The one because of which I , as true gallentian, do not want to join any caldary or amarr corporation (joke). It seems tome, that if you want to find your story in eve - you can do it even now. With all historical background CCP already created and tonns of fanfiction.
How do you imagine a storyline for you, Beagle Expeditions vet and for me, two weeks old newbee? Should we get approximately same goals at the end? Wouldn't that be just another "Sisters of Eve" missions convo? |
Ace Menda
Phoibe Enterprises
15
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Posted - 2013.06.10 16:16:00 -
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Zak Breen wrote:IMO CCP needs to implement some sort of storyline into the game. I think it would be much more fun than the boring missions and also to satisfy the people who don't like to PvP.
EVE has one of the most extensive lore in the universe.
If you don't like reading...start listening to it... http://evereader.org/ Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
193
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Posted - 2013.06.10 16:31:00 -
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Someone already mentioned RvB. If you just want a place to go to learn to PvP, in a setting where everyone else is learning too, it's a good choice.
Another option is EVE University. They are not just a PvP corp, but they do get wardecced, and they have fairly frequent scheduled wars with other corps like RvB. Unlike 99% of corps in high sec, when they are at war, they have enough people that they can undock and do something about it instead of just hiding in station. They also have a losec camp, or at least used to, which is a subset of people that live and hunt in low more or less full time.
Either corp would offer you something that you seem to be looking for, which is a nontrivial number of people who want to do the same things as you. If you really want to just PvP all the time and learn how to not (always) get your ass handed to you, then RvB is probably a better start.
Either way, both are very large and well known high sec corps, and lots of other corps tend to recruit their members, because they do a good job teaching new players. So either one will give you a good start, and you will have a good chance of finding a solid more specialized corp to move on to when you're ready.
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
241
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Posted - 2013.06.10 17:14:00 -
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Zak Breen wrote:IMO CCP needs to implement some sort of storyline into the game. I think it would be much more fun than the boring missions and also to satisfy the people who don't like to PvP.
Wait ...what?
Noone wants to satisfy the people who don't like pvp. Especially ones who don't think more than 3 seconds before posting nonsense. No storylines?...there are so many in EVE you must be deaf, dumb and blind. |
Verra Keyne
Plus 10 NV Synthetic Systems
1
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Posted - 2013.06.10 18:00:00 -
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Sylvester Slake wrote:I don't wanna have to be worried about undocking my drake in hisec to go run a mission or 2 without being blasted by bits before I can even warp off, because my corp mates arn't there to clear the way with THEIR t3 ships. (the ones I don't have the skill points for yet)
This. Sadly, that seems to be the way it is in EVE - I'm sure there are counters but it seems like a newer player has no chance against the guy flying his Loki. |
Andres Talas
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
111
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Posted - 2013.06.11 03:24:00 -
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Verra Keyne wrote:Sylvester Slake wrote:I don't wanna have to be worried about undocking my drake in hisec to go run a mission or 2 without being blasted by bits before I can even warp off, because my corp mates arn't there to clear the way with THEIR t3 ships. (the ones I don't have the skill points for yet) This. Sadly, that seems to be the way it is in EVE - I'm sure there are counters but it seems like a newer player has no chance against the guy flying his Loki.
There are plenty of counters - for example, here is a dead Pandemic Legion Vagabond.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17485994
Note we brought a lot of people, and we used Ewar, and I'll bet we used Logi in that fight too (protip : when in doubt, bring a blackbird).
And we were in a fleet, and on comms.
Here's a dead Loki as well.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17403989
Lookie that. Thirteen people, and a blackbird.
Regarding missioning, this morning, I finished Angel Extravaganza in my Domi - except it was properly fit for PvP, with some thick armor for buffer tank. and I had the fleet on standby about three jumps away in case I got jumped.
And you could have used a Drake in the same way.
Regarding industry in low, the first Archon comes out of the cooker in ten days or so.
So yeah, you can do it - but EvE isnt a solo game, and if you try and play it that way, with PvP on your terms when you want it, then that usually doesnt work.
TLDR : The OP wanted his isk per hour, and wasnt Brave. Now he isnt having fun.
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Sylvester Slake
Disbelievers of Fate
9
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Posted - 2013.06.11 20:43:00 -
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Andres Talas wrote:Verra Keyne wrote:Sylvester Slake wrote:I don't wanna have to be worried about undocking my drake in hisec to go run a mission or 2 without being blasted by bits before I can even warp off, because my corp mates arn't there to clear the way with THEIR t3 ships. (the ones I don't have the skill points for yet) This. Sadly, that seems to be the way it is in EVE - I'm sure there are counters but it seems like a newer player has no chance against the guy flying his Loki. There are plenty of counters - for example, here is a dead Pandemic Legion Vagabond. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17485994Note we brought a lot of people, and we used Ewar, and I'll bet we used Logi in that fight too (protip : when in doubt, bring a blackbird). And we were in a fleet, and on comms. Here's a dead Loki as well. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17403989Lookie that. Thirteen people, and a blackbird. Regarding missioning, this morning, I finished Angel Extravaganza in my Domi - except it was properly fit for PvP, with some thick armor for buffer tank. and I had the fleet on standby about three jumps away in case I got jumped. And you could have used a Drake in the same way. Regarding industry in low, the first Archon comes out of the cooker in ten days or so. So yeah, you can do it - but EvE isnt a solo game, and if you try and play it that way, with PvP on your terms when you want it, then that usually doesnt work. TLDR : The OP wanted his isk per hour, and wasnt Brave. Now he isnt having fun.
I think you missed the entire point.
There is not much 1 4 month old account can do against one. Thus me waiting for corpmates to log on so we can get the numbers to clear the road
And BTW I dont care about isk/hr. I dont care about taht at all.
But when I dont have enough isk to fit up another 5mil T1 frig, well thers sort of an issue there. |
Andres Talas
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.06.11 21:14:00 -
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Sylvester Slake wrote:
I think you missed the entire point.
There is not much 1 4 month old account can do against one. Thus me waiting for corpmates to log on so we can get the numbers to clear the road
And BTW I dont care about isk/hr. I dont care about taht at all.
But when I dont have enough isk to fit up another 5mil T1 frig, well thers sort of an issue there.
Theres a great deal a four month account can do against one. For a start, you can get on comms, and in corp chat, and get a group together to take them down.
And 5 mill frigs ? Theres five-packs of Atrons on corp contracts for that, and the fittings and rigs on my Blackbirds and Exequors dont come to 5m. Sure, if you gold plate them with ACRs and so on you can get a frig to cost 5m, but it'll be as effective in fleet as any other.
Regarding cash flow, clone soldiers in belts are dropping 100m tags, and eight newbies in cruisers can run a class 3 wormhole.
That and you can just *ask* for frigates.
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