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Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
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Posted - 2013.06.10 11:52:00 -
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I've completely stopped playing the game as I am not physically able to look at the screen during this animation. In an incursion, that results in not looking at the screen at all and logging off. I haven't played the game since Odyssey because of this problem. It's due to a hereditary eye condition that makes my eyes extremely light-sensitive. Funny that this is the only thing in the entire game full of blinking lights that sets it off but there you have it.
The new animation is jarring, painful, and unnecessary. If you want to know if something died just look for the wreck. If a notification really is needed why not just text in the combat log?
I was told to post this in "features and suggestions" because technical support was unable to help. Apparently there's no way to turn this off. Unlike the sexy jump animation that's also making many people sick, it's a little more critical to be unable to look at the screen during ANY combat at all.
If there isn't an option to turn this off, I literally can't play Eve anymore. No missions, no incursions, no pvp if there's a chance of me winning the fight... no fun.
Please give us an option to turn it off or revert the death animation to pre-Odyssey so I can continue playing this wonderful game!
If not, yes you can have my stuff. It's that bad, I'm not joking or exaggerating. I haven't played since Odyssey because of this ui graphic. I'm so sad right now that I can't play this game over one stupid graphic change! Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
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Posted - 2013.06.10 11:57:00 -
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Hey Xeraphi, I honestly do feel for you on this and maybe you should post up in these threads as well to get maximum coverage:
Official Odyssey Issues Thread
Official Odyssey Feedback Thread
I hope this is sorted out as I don't like it at all but at least I can play with it. Hope you get an answer. Also have you thought to contact a member of the CSM to highlight your issue?
Max. My Feature\Idea:-á Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee"
Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
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Posted - 2013.06.10 12:01:00 -
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Thanks. Did already, as well as posting in the thread about the UI changes, and the two threads about this new graphic in my signature:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=245931 Target death animation causing target switch lag https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=243517 Target death animation flicker causing eye pain Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
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Posted - 2013.06.10 12:07:00 -
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All I can really say is you poor bugger. I have a graphics card on loan while mines being RMA'd at the moment and have the settings set so low to run two clients and this is even enabled on that. Why don't they include options for these "enhancements" anymore like Missile Trails and Turret Mods showing.
Have you tried lowing the graphics settings to get back IG? My Feature\Idea:-á Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee"
Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
570
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Posted - 2013.06.10 12:42:00 -
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Do you mean the circular target thing that blinks 3 times when someone is killed? I can not believe that you have a contition that triggers off of something so specific that you do not also have immense trouble getting through your day in general, let alone play eve at all.
And if you do, I would really like to know what condition it is. These things do in fact interest me, but it sounds a bit unbelievable to be honest.
If it is photophobia which match up quite well to your symptoms, it's not actually an issue with your eyes, but something underlying that you should get checked out, and it would also trigger on light in general, so it can not be that. In such a case you would need to wear special sunglasses at all times anyway which would negate the effect of the blinking.
It can't be epilepsy, or you would have seizures as well, so please enlighten me. |
Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
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Posted - 2013.06.10 13:08:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:All I can really say is you poor bugger.
*big puppy dog eyes* *whiiiine* *sniffle*
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Have you tried lowing the graphics settings to get back IG?
I did try lowering the contrast and brightness of my monitor by a lot and it's still difficult to watch just one thing die, while removing a lot of the enjoyment of the pretty artwork in the game. Not trying in an incursion again, the one time was enough.
Hannott Thanos wrote:Do you mean the circular target thing that blinks 3 times when someone is killed? I can not believe that you have a contition that triggers off of something so specific that you do not also have immense trouble getting through your day in general, let alone play eve at all.
And if you do, I would really like to know what condition it is. These things do in fact interest me, but it sounds a bit unbelievable to be honest.
If it is photophobia which match up quite well to your symptoms, it's not actually an issue with your eyes, but something underlying that you should get checked out, and it would also trigger on light in general, so it can not be that. In such a case you would need to wear special sunglasses at all times anyway which would negate the effect of the blinking.
It can't be epilepsy, or you would have seizures as well, so please enlighten me.
It does trigger on intense lights and I tend to have my monitor darker than usual but it's worst on flickering fluorescent lighting. I can't stay in stores that have those either. I don't do any drugs so it's not from that. Been this way with fluorescents since I was a little kid. I do get migraines frequently and often have to reduce the brightness of the monitor quite a bit for that but this wasn't a typical migraine because usually those get worse, this headache was just from running that one incursion and when I laid down for half an hour it got better with just the eye rest, no medication. A typical migraine I'd have needed to take medication after half an hour or it would have kept getting worse.
Never had a problem in eve with anything blinky before this one graphic, aside from the occasional sun glare that the camera can be moved to avoid. I'd love to be exaggerating, I wouldn't be worried about affording next month's plex if I was still running missions and incursions. Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
282
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Posted - 2013.06.10 16:23:00 -
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So what you're saying is that you can handle the flashing lasers and you can handle the exploding ships, but you can't handle the target flashing. I'm not saying that you're making it up, but it doesn't make a lot of sense. The flashing lasers, especially large pulses, are more intense than that target flashing could ever be. I say this as a person who has a sensitivity to light and frequently unpins my overview to block out the sun with it. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
646
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Posted - 2013.06.10 16:52:00 -
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There should be a quiq throw-together from CCP for people with light allergies of all ranges and types
for monatary reasons, a new vector for online advertising would open up for CCP: Im sure there are plenty vision problem websites where you guys can then Advertise for practically free, to regain old subscribers and new ones.
Im guessing less then 10-20 hours total maybe 2-4 programers for coding and then 10 hours for testing and tweaking (which the community can do-but takes longer), and voila, CCP just made the game a little bit better for people with light alergies and people dont have aliegies friendly and at the same time allowing every one else to look at the un-light allergic graphics if they wish.
Also, if anything, it would be nice of CCP |
Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
29
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:42:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:So what you're saying is that you can handle the flashing lasers and you can handle the exploding ships, but you can't handle the target flashing. I'm not saying that you're making it up, but it doesn't make a lot of sense. The flashing lasers, especially large pulses, are more intense than that target flashing could ever be. I say this as a person who has a sensitivity to light and frequently unpins my overview to block out the sun with it.
It doesn't make sense to me either. Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
Luc Chastot
Gentleman's Corp
387
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Posted - 2013.06.11 07:55:00 -
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You can say you don't like them, it's not necessary to make stuff up so people takes you more seriously. Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. |
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DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
256
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Posted - 2013.06.11 10:07:00 -
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Luc Chastot wrote:You can say you don't like them, it's not necessary to make stuff up so people takes you more seriously. OR, the OP actually has some medical condition that is triggered by exactly what they say. WTF is wrong with people who constantly want proof that a person is disabled or isn't as "healthy" as they are. My Father is disabled and it ticks me off to no end when "healthy" people turn their nose up at him when he has difficulty doing a particular task. Walk a mile in someone else's shoes before you open your mouth!!
For those of you who are healthy and have no medical issues, be happy. There are conditions that exist where 99% of your life you have no damn clue that you even have it, then one day and some strange occurrence and it rears it's ugly head. The Operative:-á"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:-á"You have no idea how true that is". |
hacksideways
Assah Shipping Company
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Posted - 2013.06.11 10:21:00 -
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This thread makes me happy. |
Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
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Posted - 2013.06.11 21:14:00 -
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Spoke with Mike Azariah about this, he suggested blocking off the targets with another menu box, which is brilliant. So I now have my inventory covering most of the targets. The blink of just the text underneath (and whatever icons for guns and stuff are on it) is still super annoying and I find myself closing my eyes a lot still but no headache this time!
However it's difficult to be a contributing fleet member when you can't see how much damage the unmarked targets are taking. Oh well. I can play, I may be able to plex. It's not nearly as enjoyable as it was before Odyssey and running incursions has become rather more a chore for isk than a pleasure, but I guess that's how the devs want the game to be now. I got out of mining when it became a chore after 2 months, now it's incursions.
This is my screen now: system info ---- hud & weapons ------------ drones box
targets covered by inventory stretched out --- selected item box ship name ship name ship name ship name etc (still blinky and jarring)
chat/fleet --- empty space --- overview/dscan
It does still strain my eyes after a while but it's not instant OMG PAIN anymore, I just can't look at targets that's all. Reduced functionality until they fix it. Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
550
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Posted - 2013.06.11 21:36:00 -
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Maybe it would be better to reverse the idea, and have the targets disappear suddenly when they die, like they used to, but fade away over the course of a few seconds if they warp off.
Would that work better for you? Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
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Posted - 2013.06.11 21:42:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:Maybe it would be better to reverse the idea, and have the targets disappear suddenly when they die, like they used to, but fade away over the course of a few seconds if they warp off.
Would that work better for you?
That would make more sense than the current implementation I think and fades are usually not a problem when I watch movies and stuff.
Just a matter of CCP making the fix. Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
FoxFire Ayderan
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Posted - 2013.06.11 21:58:00 -
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I have a condition where looking at stars flying by in space as I turn my ship makes me want to throw up. CCP could you get rid of the stars.
Honestly, I suppose if this is enough of an issue for a certain percentage of users (say 5%) then maybe put in a option to turn it off. But I don't think issues like this should ever a) Prevent CCP from implementing a feature that the vast majority will like and appreciate or b) Require additional coding resources if it's just to take care of the needs of a handfull of customers.
If say 5+ % of the community has this particular problem (or 40+% just dont' like the flashing), then I'd support using resources to make it an option to turn off. Or even if it's something that will take like 2 man hours to code and test, then what the hell, why not, nothing wrong with options.
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Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
33
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:06:00 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:I have a condition where looking at stars flying by in space as I turn my ship makes me want to throw up. CCP could you get rid of the stars. Honestly, I suppose if this is enough of an issue for a certain percentage of users (say 5%) then maybe put in a option to turn it off. But I don't think issues like this should ever a) Prevent CCP from implementing a feature that the vast majority will like and appreciate or b) Require additional coding resources if it's just to take care of the needs of a handfull of customers. If say 5+ % of the community has this particular problem (or 40+% just dont' like the flashing), then I'd support using resources to make it an option to turn off. Or even if it's something that will take like 2 man hours to code and test, then what the hell, why not, nothing wrong with options.
How would you like to play the game with your inventory (at 100% opacity) in a long thin bar over your targets for the rest of the time you play this game? I dare you to do it. Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
FoxFire Ayderan
56
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:11:00 -
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Well basically it boils down to what is or is not reasonable.
If enough people do not like the flashing then it may be reasonable to make it an option (though most of those people could live with it if needed).
If it's an actual medical condition that makes the game unplayable at all to a certain (much smaller) percentage of people, then it may also be reasonable to put in an option.
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Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
33
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:14:00 -
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Of course, it's likely that people with my particular problem aren't playing the game at all due to all the other flashing lights and I'm the only one seriously put out by this. So far the feedback I've received is that others find it annoying but I don't see anyone else in actual pain.
Guess I'm not important enough to keep playing this game then. May as well quit now instead of putting up with a terrible temporary workaround and hoping that CCP will care about one person who used to love their game. Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
FoxFire Ayderan
57
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:43:00 -
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Well if it takes like an hour or two of coder time to put in an option, then maybe it's worth it to them to do that for a single user.
Particularly if it's one who's paying a monthly subscription or three and also buying Plex.
The more people who want the option (or CCP thinks its worthwhile and knows it would be widely appreciated), the more likely it is to get done.
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Luc Chastot
Gentleman's Corp
389
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Posted - 2013.06.12 00:32:00 -
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DeLindsay wrote:Luc Chastot wrote:You can say you don't like them, it's not necessary to make stuff up so people takes you more seriously. OR, the OP actually has some medical condition that is triggered by exactly what they say. WTF is wrong with people who constantly want proof that a person is disabled or isn't as "healthy" as they are. My Father is disabled and it ticks me off to no end when "healthy" people turn their nose up at him when he has difficulty doing a particular task. Walk a mile in someone else's shoes before you open your mouth!! For those of you who are healthy and have no medical issues, be happy. There are conditions that exist where 99% of your life you have no damn clue that you even have it, then one day and some strange occurrence and it rears it's ugly head. EVE is full of flashy effects, yet only this affects the OP; this means the OP is either lying about his medical condition to justify the fact he doesn't like the effect, or has a psychological condition, maybe some form of hypochondria and he's somatizing his dislike of the effect. Going by Occam's Razor I'd say the truth is that the OP is lying, as it is the simplest explanation. Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
260
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Posted - 2013.06.12 00:50:00 -
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Luc Chastot wrote:DeLindsay wrote:Luc Chastot wrote:You can say you don't like them, it's not necessary to make stuff up so people takes you more seriously. OR, the OP actually has some medical condition that is triggered by exactly what they say. WTF is wrong with people who constantly want proof that a person is disabled or isn't as "healthy" as they are. My Father is disabled and it ticks me off to no end when "healthy" people turn their nose up at him when he has difficulty doing a particular task. Walk a mile in someone else's shoes before you open your mouth!! For those of you who are healthy and have no medical issues, be happy. There are conditions that exist where 99% of your life you have no damn clue that you even have it, then one day and some strange occurrence and it rears it's ugly head. EVE is full of flashy effects, yet only this affects the OP; this means the OP is either lying about his medical condition to justify the fact he doesn't like the effect, or has a psychological condition, maybe some form of hypochondria and he's somatizing his dislike of the effect. Going by Occam's Razor I'd say the truth is that the OP is lying, as it is the simplest explanation. Lyme Disease... It is nearly impossible for MEDICAL DOCTORS to diagnose early on and yet if it isn't caught early enough there is zero chance of survival. The very fact that there are well known diseases that simply baffle modern doctors invalidates your argument. We have no way to tell if the OP has a medical condition or not. We have no way of knowing what specific flashy thing would set the OP off. You and all the rest of the people making fun of or calling to OP a liar just because you can't believe they have what they say have pigs are horrible human beings. The Operative:-á"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:-á"You have no idea how true that is". |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
295
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:06:00 -
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Be careful that you don't stray from "legitimate defense" into "whiteknighting".
I played around a bit on Singularity, since it's pretty easy to get targets on demand there (read: "infinite supply of 100-isk drones") and paid more attention than usual to the flashing on target-death. That has got to be one of the smoothest, least-harsh effects in the whole game. It doesn't even flash; it fades in and out rather than the staccato appear/disappear typically associated with the description of something that flashes.
How a person can manage to have a row of targets locked and steadily emitting light but can't handle the gradual flash that we've got now, I'm not sure. I suppose I could see it, given that when my light sensitivity kicks in everything is terrible, but the only thing I can say to OP is probably "It's time to stop living in denial and accept that EVE is really not the game for you." There is literally no way to accommodate everyone and unless fifty or one hundred people come forward saying they all need the same thing, I don't anticipate CCP spending the time to code it and test it and then test it again. Even something seemingly small like this will turn out to be a larger project code-wise than it looks like.
If that makes me a horrible human being and a pig, I've certainly been called much, much worse over much less (and much more) important things by people whose opinions meant much more to me. |
Astroniomix
Cryptic Meta-4
482
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:11:00 -
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DeLindsay wrote: We have no way of knowing what specific flashy thing would set the OP off. Occam's Razor. |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
260
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:27:00 -
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Quote:I suppose I could see it, given that when my light sensitivity kicks in everything is terrible, but the only thing I can say to OP is probably "It's time to stop living in denial and accept that EVE is really not the game for you." There is literally no way to accommodate everyone and unless fifty or one hundred people come forward saying they all need the same thing, I don't anticipate CCP spending the time to code it and test it and then test it again. Even something seemingly small like this will turn out to be a larger project code-wise than it looks like. I certainly agree that there is no way to accommodate everyone. All I am saying is that people need to shut their mouth and stop trying to "youtube arm chair expert" everything on THIS forum. I can 100% guarantee there is not one person on this forum who is not only a Medical Doctor that specializes in the particular problems the OP claims to have, but that even if there was they certainly haven't personally examined the OP to determine if they are truthful, therefore no amount of saying "Occam's Razor" will validate anyone's response. As I previously stated, Lyme Disease. Medical Doctors will claim this or that is wrong with the patient for YEARS (because that's what it appears to be) only to realize too late that it was always Lyme Disease causing everything else to happen.
I would never expect CCP or any other game Dev to change a game for ONE person, but that doesn't make the OP a liar. It makes people pigs that harass the OP saying he/she is a liar just because they themselves cannot PROVE the condition exists (like they're even Doctors anyway). The Operative:-á"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:-á"You have no idea how true that is". |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
296
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Posted - 2013.06.12 02:34:00 -
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Does OP have Lyme Disease? That's terrible. |
Luc Chastot
Gentleman's Corp
389
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Posted - 2013.06.12 04:22:00 -
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DeLindsay wrote:Lyme Disease... It is nearly impossible for MEDICAL DOCTORS to diagnose early on and yet if it isn't caught early enough there is zero chance of survival. The very fact that there are well known diseases that simply baffle modern doctors invalidates your argument. We have no way to tell if the OP has a medical condition or not. We have no way of knowing what specific flashy thing would set the OP off. You and all the rest of the people making fun of or calling to OP a liar just because you can't believe they have what they say have pigs are horrible human beings. The stimulus the OP is getting is not compatible with the kind of medical condition he's describing, while other stimuli that does match does not seem to be affecting him in any way. I might not be a medical expert, but I'm a photographer and I do know how light works. There is always the chance he's somatizing his opinion somehow; although the mere thought is stupid, so I rather go with the simplest explanation: EVE is full of bitter vets and people who love to cry for the stupidest things, and anonymity makes lying easier.
Also, there's no need to appeal to ad hominems when you're losing an argument; you always have the option to be a true gentleman/gentlewoman and accept it.
Edit: Oh, and regarding Lyme, if it isn't diagnosed early on it usually means the patient will need to use antibiotics the rest of his life. Chances of survival are rarely that low. Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
308
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Posted - 2013.06.12 05:10:00 -
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Wow, Lyme Disease is really terrible. I hope everyone in this thread who has Lyme Disease gets proper treatment! |
Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:15:00 -
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Luc Chastot wrote:DeLindsay wrote:Luc Chastot wrote:You can say you don't like them, it's not necessary to make stuff up so people takes you more seriously. OR, the OP actually has some medical condition that is triggered by exactly what they say. WTF is wrong with people who constantly want proof that a person is disabled or isn't as "healthy" as they are. My Father is disabled and it ticks me off to no end when "healthy" people turn their nose up at him when he has difficulty doing a particular task. Walk a mile in someone else's shoes before you open your mouth!! For those of you who are healthy and have no medical issues, be happy. There are conditions that exist where 99% of your life you have no damn clue that you even have it, then one day and some strange occurrence and it rears it's ugly head. EVE is full of flashy effects, yet only this affects the OP; this means the OP is either lying about his medical condition to justify the fact he doesn't like the effect, or has a psychological condition, maybe some form of hypochondria and he's somatizing his dislike of the effect. Going by Occam's Razor I'd say the truth is that the OP is lying, as it is the simplest explanation.
Even if it was "somatizing" which you as a medical doctor obviously have full qualifications to diagnose, there's a whole disability based on "somatization" called Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome. Or maybe I do have an eye condition and it hasn't been affected by anything else in Eve because everything else in Eve I can just change the view or close my eyes temporarily WITHOUT IT AFFECTING GAMEPLAY. For instance, new jump animation everyone's complaining about? The lightning flickers partway through very brightly, but on that I can just close my eyes. It's not nearly as big a deal as closing my eyes in the middle of an incursion at every target death while constantly needing to look to lock new targets and make sure I'm still near the anchor.
Obviously since this affects me the same way as partially burned out fluorescent lighting flickering, I must have been kidnapped as a young child and held hostage in a damp basement, with no memory of this happening, only a "somatic" reaction as an adult.
I didn't say only this affects me, I said only this affects me and is unavoidable, unlike everything else that's bright and flashy. I have all the effects off except turrets and camera shake. I have the brightness and contrast down on my monitor. I play in a decently-lit room. Even the new jump animation is avoidable and doesn't show up smack in the middle of all the fun parts of the game. Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
358
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:30:00 -
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I paid even more attention to the target flashing this time than I did before.
You say "bright and flashy" and "flashes brightly" and "broken neon light, all it needs now is the buzzer" as if the targets flicker suddenly, irregularly and harshly at full illumination strength, which they don't. A flashing target is only 50% as bright as a regular target, 75% at the very most.
Perhaps a visit to your local ophthalmologist to discus better treatment is in order, maybe followed up by changing your role in Incursions to be logi instead of DPS. Logi very rarely see flashing targets unless they aren't doing their job properly. |
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