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Xeraphi
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Posted - 2013.06.10 11:52:00 -
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I've completely stopped playing the game as I am not physically able to look at the screen during this animation. In an incursion, that results in not looking at the screen at all and logging off. I haven't played the game since Odyssey because of this problem. It's due to a hereditary eye condition that makes my eyes extremely light-sensitive. Funny that this is the only thing in the entire game full of blinking lights that sets it off but there you have it.
The new animation is jarring, painful, and unnecessary. If you want to know if something died just look for the wreck. If a notification really is needed why not just text in the combat log?
I was told to post this in "features and suggestions" because technical support was unable to help. Apparently there's no way to turn this off. Unlike the sexy jump animation that's also making many people sick, it's a little more critical to be unable to look at the screen during ANY combat at all.
If there isn't an option to turn this off, I literally can't play Eve anymore. No missions, no incursions, no pvp if there's a chance of me winning the fight... no fun.
Please give us an option to turn it off or revert the death animation to pre-Odyssey so I can continue playing this wonderful game!
If not, yes you can have my stuff. It's that bad, I'm not joking or exaggerating. I haven't played since Odyssey because of this ui graphic. I'm so sad right now that I can't play this game over one stupid graphic change! Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
Xeraphi
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Posted - 2013.06.10 12:01:00 -
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Thanks. Did already, as well as posting in the thread about the UI changes, and the two threads about this new graphic in my signature:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=245931 Target death animation causing target switch lag https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=243517 Target death animation flicker causing eye pain Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
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Posted - 2013.06.10 13:08:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:All I can really say is you poor bugger.
*big puppy dog eyes* *whiiiine* *sniffle*
Maximus Aerelius wrote:Have you tried lowing the graphics settings to get back IG?
I did try lowering the contrast and brightness of my monitor by a lot and it's still difficult to watch just one thing die, while removing a lot of the enjoyment of the pretty artwork in the game. Not trying in an incursion again, the one time was enough.
Hannott Thanos wrote:Do you mean the circular target thing that blinks 3 times when someone is killed? I can not believe that you have a contition that triggers off of something so specific that you do not also have immense trouble getting through your day in general, let alone play eve at all.
And if you do, I would really like to know what condition it is. These things do in fact interest me, but it sounds a bit unbelievable to be honest.
If it is photophobia which match up quite well to your symptoms, it's not actually an issue with your eyes, but something underlying that you should get checked out, and it would also trigger on light in general, so it can not be that. In such a case you would need to wear special sunglasses at all times anyway which would negate the effect of the blinking.
It can't be epilepsy, or you would have seizures as well, so please enlighten me.
It does trigger on intense lights and I tend to have my monitor darker than usual but it's worst on flickering fluorescent lighting. I can't stay in stores that have those either. I don't do any drugs so it's not from that. Been this way with fluorescents since I was a little kid. I do get migraines frequently and often have to reduce the brightness of the monitor quite a bit for that but this wasn't a typical migraine because usually those get worse, this headache was just from running that one incursion and when I laid down for half an hour it got better with just the eye rest, no medication. A typical migraine I'd have needed to take medication after half an hour or it would have kept getting worse.
Never had a problem in eve with anything blinky before this one graphic, aside from the occasional sun glare that the camera can be moved to avoid. I'd love to be exaggerating, I wouldn't be worried about affording next month's plex if I was still running missions and incursions. Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:42:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:So what you're saying is that you can handle the flashing lasers and you can handle the exploding ships, but you can't handle the target flashing. I'm not saying that you're making it up, but it doesn't make a lot of sense. The flashing lasers, especially large pulses, are more intense than that target flashing could ever be. I say this as a person who has a sensitivity to light and frequently unpins my overview to block out the sun with it.
It doesn't make sense to me either. Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
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Posted - 2013.06.11 21:14:00 -
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Spoke with Mike Azariah about this, he suggested blocking off the targets with another menu box, which is brilliant. So I now have my inventory covering most of the targets. The blink of just the text underneath (and whatever icons for guns and stuff are on it) is still super annoying and I find myself closing my eyes a lot still but no headache this time!
However it's difficult to be a contributing fleet member when you can't see how much damage the unmarked targets are taking. Oh well. I can play, I may be able to plex. It's not nearly as enjoyable as it was before Odyssey and running incursions has become rather more a chore for isk than a pleasure, but I guess that's how the devs want the game to be now. I got out of mining when it became a chore after 2 months, now it's incursions.
This is my screen now: system info ---- hud & weapons ------------ drones box
targets covered by inventory stretched out --- selected item box ship name ship name ship name ship name etc (still blinky and jarring)
chat/fleet --- empty space --- overview/dscan
It does still strain my eyes after a while but it's not instant OMG PAIN anymore, I just can't look at targets that's all. Reduced functionality until they fix it. Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
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Posted - 2013.06.11 21:42:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:Maybe it would be better to reverse the idea, and have the targets disappear suddenly when they die, like they used to, but fade away over the course of a few seconds if they warp off.
Would that work better for you?
That would make more sense than the current implementation I think and fades are usually not a problem when I watch movies and stuff.
Just a matter of CCP making the fix. Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:06:00 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:I have a condition where looking at stars flying by in space as I turn my ship makes me want to throw up. CCP could you get rid of the stars. Honestly, I suppose if this is enough of an issue for a certain percentage of users (say 5%) then maybe put in a option to turn it off. But I don't think issues like this should ever a) Prevent CCP from implementing a feature that the vast majority will like and appreciate or b) Require additional coding resources if it's just to take care of the needs of a handfull of customers. If say 5+ % of the community has this particular problem (or 40+% just dont' like the flashing), then I'd support using resources to make it an option to turn off. Or even if it's something that will take like 2 man hours to code and test, then what the hell, why not, nothing wrong with options.
How would you like to play the game with your inventory (at 100% opacity) in a long thin bar over your targets for the rest of the time you play this game? I dare you to do it. Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:14:00 -
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Of course, it's likely that people with my particular problem aren't playing the game at all due to all the other flashing lights and I'm the only one seriously put out by this. So far the feedback I've received is that others find it annoying but I don't see anyone else in actual pain.
Guess I'm not important enough to keep playing this game then. May as well quit now instead of putting up with a terrible temporary workaround and hoping that CCP will care about one person who used to love their game. Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:15:00 -
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Luc Chastot wrote:DeLindsay wrote:Luc Chastot wrote:You can say you don't like them, it's not necessary to make stuff up so people takes you more seriously. OR, the OP actually has some medical condition that is triggered by exactly what they say. WTF is wrong with people who constantly want proof that a person is disabled or isn't as "healthy" as they are. My Father is disabled and it ticks me off to no end when "healthy" people turn their nose up at him when he has difficulty doing a particular task. Walk a mile in someone else's shoes before you open your mouth!! For those of you who are healthy and have no medical issues, be happy. There are conditions that exist where 99% of your life you have no damn clue that you even have it, then one day and some strange occurrence and it rears it's ugly head. EVE is full of flashy effects, yet only this affects the OP; this means the OP is either lying about his medical condition to justify the fact he doesn't like the effect, or has a psychological condition, maybe some form of hypochondria and he's somatizing his dislike of the effect. Going by Occam's Razor I'd say the truth is that the OP is lying, as it is the simplest explanation.
Even if it was "somatizing" which you as a medical doctor obviously have full qualifications to diagnose, there's a whole disability based on "somatization" called Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome. Or maybe I do have an eye condition and it hasn't been affected by anything else in Eve because everything else in Eve I can just change the view or close my eyes temporarily WITHOUT IT AFFECTING GAMEPLAY. For instance, new jump animation everyone's complaining about? The lightning flickers partway through very brightly, but on that I can just close my eyes. It's not nearly as big a deal as closing my eyes in the middle of an incursion at every target death while constantly needing to look to lock new targets and make sure I'm still near the anchor.
Obviously since this affects me the same way as partially burned out fluorescent lighting flickering, I must have been kidnapped as a young child and held hostage in a damp basement, with no memory of this happening, only a "somatic" reaction as an adult.
I didn't say only this affects me, I said only this affects me and is unavoidable, unlike everything else that's bright and flashy. I have all the effects off except turrets and camera shake. I have the brightness and contrast down on my monitor. I play in a decently-lit room. Even the new jump animation is avoidable and doesn't show up smack in the middle of all the fun parts of the game. Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
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Posted - 2013.06.15 00:03:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:I paid even more attention to the target flashing this time than I did before.
You say "bright and flashy" and "flashes brightly" and "broken neon light, all it needs now is the buzzer" as if the targets flicker suddenly, irregularly and harshly at full illumination strength, which they don't. A flashing target is only 50% as bright as a regular target, 75% at the very most.
Perhaps a visit to your local ophthalmologist to discus better treatment is in order, maybe followed up by changing your role in Incursions to be logi instead of DPS. Logi very rarely see flashing targets unless they aren't doing their job properly.
The targets do flicker suddenly and randomly in an incursion when there may be multiple targets dying close to each other. You remember when the blink tag was new and tons of websites had blinking text everywhere? Yeah, it's still poor design.
Logi will take a few months of training, and I'd wanted that as an option not a permanent role.
The temp fix is unfortunately blocking off most of the targets with my inventory and only having to see the text flicker. Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
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Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
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Posted - 2013.06.15 18:25:00 -
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Salvaging a level 3 mission right now. The targets are blinking quickly 12 times. Even with most of the target covered by my inventory window I still have to close my eyes every couple of targets. I don't know where you're getting "soft blinks" from, or did they change it on the test server already? Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
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Posted - 2013.06.15 19:01:00 -
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If it was epilepsy it should have been obvious with other games and Eve should have been a problem before Odyssey as well shouldn't it? Although I do tend to avoid bright flashy lights, not a big fan of casinos or casino games, etc.
It just hurts my eyes. I'm not rolling on the floor in a seizure. Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:12:00 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:Perhaps CCP should add ticker box to ESC Menu/General Settings where you are able to disable the graphic image of the targets on the screen similar to how you are able to diable drone models.
With the the ship models gone you could place the Overiew directly in the middle of your screen and lock targets in that manner.
Your condition does sound like epilepsy where the sudden flicker of lights on and off in rapid succession causes the brain to not be able to interpret what it is seeing.
No biggie. We'll just have to get CCP to create a work-around which many might see as very advantegous in large fleet combat where so many model cause the system to lag.
Once the high end combat is completed then the ship models could be turned back on to enjoy missions and other low end combat enviroments.
The blinking sounds like a FPS issue where the server is emitting the image of the ship model at lower rate of rate of pixels per second that causes the ship images to blink like they are.
Basically if you place a image of ship on paper over a light and flick the light off and on every second your mind has trouble adjusting to the placement of the object.
But if the same lamp is set to flicker 100 times per second the image appears in a more consistent manner allowing the mind to track it without interuption.
It's the whole of the target that blinks though. The circle that shows damage done to do, the text below, even the icons of the guns you have on it, all of that blinks at once. Not just the ship model inside the target.
If you turned off the targets completely, you wouldn't know how much damage it's taken (which is the situation I'm in after blocking off the targets with my inventory box).
My mind has no trouble tracking the blinks, it blinks 12-15 times. Unless you mean something different from what you're saying.
Anyway, no dev response I guess this problem isn't sexy enough for them. My two accounts looking for another game now. Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
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Posted - 2013.06.24 17:17:00 -
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Related idea here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=252084 skinnable ui would solve a lot of problems not just for me in this situation but also for colourblind people and stuffs. Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
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Posted - 2013.06.25 18:05:00 -
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Solution (shown in a google doc) which allows me to keep playing eve but at reduced functionality.
Pros:
Can play the game again because the blink is reduced Can see which target my guns are on, which targets have already taken damage, and which the drones are on Can pin and unpin quickly to verify IGÇÖm not about to get Concorded by accidentally the logi - and can choose WHEN to unpin based on damage across all the targets
Cons:
CanGÇÖt read text of what IGÇÖm shooting CanGÇÖt unlock targets quickly if the fc changes their mind (maybe can set up a hotkey for this?) CanGÇÖt drag targets around to reorder them quickly (no hotkey possible for this) so must always select the next target via overview
Notes:
EVE ui skin: black; transparency set to 225 Monitor contrast 40% brightness 0% Medium lit room (indoor lighting, GÇ£warmGÇ¥ part of spectrum)
First post edited Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |
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