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Posted - 2013.06.13 11:48:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Inertial Dampers, mate.
Could you explain why ships decelerate when their engine turn off now CCP guy. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8235
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Posted - 2013.06.13 11:51:00 -
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space submarine wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Inertial Dampers, mate. Could you explain why ships decelerate when their engine turn off now CCP guy.
Something something the warp drive causes friction in a vacuum something something Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
145
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:01:00 -
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Andski wrote:space submarine wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Inertial Dampers, mate. Could you explain why ships decelerate when their engine turn off now CCP guy. Something something the warp drive causes friction in a vacuum something something
Yep. Been explained many times. It is their story and they are sticking to it. |
Solaris Ecladia
High Flyers Ex Cinere Scriptor
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:42:00 -
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inertial dampners might not be the best wording for whatever module you want for reducing g force in space. works for star trek doesnt work in the real world. the words you are looking for are g-force comepensators. been toyed with slightly before by adverse forces to reduce the amount of g's you feel when accelerating in space but id say we are a long way off since not a lot has been done in this field apparently.
also my shift key died. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
1169
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:58:00 -
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Solaris Ecladia wrote:inertial dampners might not be the best wording for whatever module you want for reducing g force in space. works for star trek doesnt work in the real world. the words you are looking for are g-force comepensators. been toyed with slightly before by adverse forces to reduce the amount of g's you feel when accelerating in space but id say we are a long way off since not a lot has been done in this field apparently.
also my shift key died.
Not to be picky, but Inertia is mass in motion, which creates the g-forces. That motion of mass results in Inertia, which is the component which needs to be nullified. Yes, it's a g-force compensator, that's just a different name for Inertia dampener. However, if you want to split hairs and get technical, there's plenty of dope about motion compensators. Quick link here, but many others too.
o7
Personnel Division Director --áBene Gesserit Chapterhouse "The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another." - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2146
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:59:00 -
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Chribba wrote: We can from the chart see that an unskilled, unfitted titan pilot (and it's crew - NEVER FORGET THE CREW lol) will not have a hard time ..., takes nearly 2 minutes and only be affected by 0.04girlFriend, think we will survive that one pretty good.
4% chance of having a girlfriend if you're a titan pilot?
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Xavier Zedicus
Raytheon Intergalactic Research Gatekeepers Universe
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Posted - 2013.06.13 13:22:00 -
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Assuming that ships have artificial gravity, you can just say part of the cap used to warp goes to offset the gforces.
Also while entering warp, you are not in a gravity less situation. The formation of the gravity well in front of your ship, used to create the planc bubble, will have HUGE impacts on this calculation. Our ships aren't being pushed into warp, they are being sucked into warp. Nerf Rock, Paper is fine. - Scissors-á
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De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1572
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Posted - 2013.06.13 13:30:00 -
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Tyrton wrote:Opux Dragoon Yacht 4047.10 Cockroach 1469.89 1 gF is your body weight so a 200 lbs male at 4047 gF is experiencing 809400 lbs turning into pod goo.
OMFG - pod goo is PEOPLE!!! Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1517
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Posted - 2013.06.13 13:43:00 -
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Although I am no physics major or anything, I am pretty sure there would be no g-force in a spaceships. Without an atmosphere or gravity holding us to a nearby object there is no g-force.
"G-force (with g from gravitational) is a measurement of acceleration felt as weight."
If your on a ship generating false gravity for practical purposes you wouldn't feel anything either because your weight is determined relative only to the ships interior environment so anything going on outside is irrelevant.
So, in short, no Gs. Sorry to spoil the fun.
(Also, there is a lot of terrible terrible physics in this thread). "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
8614
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Posted - 2013.06.13 14:01:00 -
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Arduemont, from texts I read while doing all this, it said you will still be affected by "force" whilst in a spaceship.
So if you are stationary floating free in the ship, and it accelerates you will find yourself moving towards the back of the ship (away from the direction it is going) you will then be pressed against the wall feeling "force" while not really force created by gravity you will still feel this - and thus I call it gF.
Could have totally read it wrong though.
/c
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Abon
STAHLSTURM Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.13 14:02:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Although I am no physics major or anything, I am pretty sure there would be no g-force in a spaceships. Without an atmosphere or gravity holding us to a nearby object there is no g-force.
"G-force (with g from gravitational) is a measurement of acceleration felt as weight."
If your on a ship generating false gravity for practical purposes you wouldn't feel anything either because your weight is determined relative only to the ships interior environment so anything going on outside is irrelevant.
So, in short, no Gs. Sorry to spoil the fun.
(Also, there is a lot of terrible terrible physics in this thread).
Edit: Not sure that was clear enough. We only experience G-Force on earth because gravity dictates that our weight holds us to a certain spot. Moving fast enough creates the phenomenon where your body is being pulled from that spot forcefully. Without the gravity there and a relative surface to be pulled away from, you don't have a problem. This might still be a problem for no artificial gravity ships accelerating fast away from high mass planets whilst in very very low orbit.
Uh no Newtons gravitational laws apply to the whole universe not just to planet earth, such as gravitation is present in the whole universe. "An object in motion stays in motion until acted upon by an outside force." Means if you emergency stop your Rifter in deep space you will get squeezed between the bulkheads by the inertial forces just like you would be on earth. Thank the dear lord for those inertial dampeners. Gforces have nothing to do with atmosphere or otherwise.
It is one of the great problems of spaceflight, accelerate too fast and your pilot becomes goo. Accelerate in the right manner and it will take weeks and months to reach speeds necessary for actual space travel.
Addendum: tl,dr If your ship travels with high speed with you inside and suddenly stops, you will keep going. The outside force stopping you would be the nearest bulkhead. |
Iris Bravemount
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
247
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Posted - 2013.06.13 14:03:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Arduemont, from texts I read while doing all this, it said you will still be affected by "force" whilst in a spaceship.
So if you are stationary floating free in the ship, and it accelerates you will find yourself moving towards the back of the ship (away from the direction it is going) you will then be pressed against the wall feeling "force" while not really force created by gravity you will still feel this - and thus I call it gF.
Could have totally read it wrong though.
/c
This is correct. Why active tank bonuses are bad for you |
Xavier Zedicus
Raytheon Intergalactic Research Gatekeepers Universe
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Posted - 2013.06.13 14:13:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Arduemont, from texts I read while doing all this, it said you will still be affected by "force" whilst in a spaceship.
So if you are stationary floating free in the ship, and it accelerates you will find yourself moving towards the back of the ship (away from the direction it is going) you will then be pressed against the wall feeling "force" while not really force created by gravity you will still feel this - and thus I call it gF.
Could have totally read it wrong though.
/c
This seems to be missing the point that 1) in warp your ship isn't actually moving 2) out of warp, noting prevents artificial gravity from being applied horizontally to counteract this effect. It doesnt even need to be applied constantly, just while accelerating ir decelerating, to pull you wikl the ship. Once up to speed regular physics keeps you stationary relative to the ships internals. Nerf Rock, Paper is fine. - Scissors-á
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Abon
STAHLSTURM Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.13 14:36:00 -
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Xavier Zedicus wrote:Chribba wrote:Arduemont, from texts I read while doing all this, it said you will still be affected by "force" whilst in a spaceship.
So if you are stationary floating free in the ship, and it accelerates you will find yourself moving towards the back of the ship (away from the direction it is going) you will then be pressed against the wall feeling "force" while not really force created by gravity you will still feel this - and thus I call it gF.
Could have totally read it wrong though.
/c This seems to be missing the point that 1) in warp your ship isn't actually moving 2) out of warp, noting prevents artificial gravity from being applied horizontally to counteract this effect. It doesnt even need to be applied constantly, just while accelerating ir decelerating, to pull you wikl the ship. Once up to speed regular physics keeps you stationary relative to the ships internals.
That is all true the question is do we talk about the theoretical warp drive that actually bends space and pulls our target destination towards us turning light years into mere meters aka "jumping". Or do we talk about the one that forms a bubble of space around you with a new set of physical laws in it allowing you to ignore E=mc2 and reaching FTL speeds. Both suggested models would also protect you from time actually speeding up while travelling at high speeds.
At the moment it seems we won`t need both of them anyways in the future as new theories suggests we might be able to simple "phase out" of our dimension and re-enter it at whatever location we wish in a mere microsecond. Theories also suggest that this would be the natural way for a highly advanced civilization to travel space as it is instant and also removes the dangers of deep space travel. We know of 11 other existing dimensions so far including our own. Not to mention that the universe splits itself constantly into all possible future outcomes which are unlimited but that is something that causes even the most brilliant scientists massive amounts of hurt in their brains.
Now my personal guess is such things will start to develop once we fully understand gravity (something we really don`t understand even today, is it some form of particle? an electromagnetic force? nobody really knows..). The very moment we are able to manipulate gravity is the same moment we will be able to manipulate space and time since those three are absolutely interwoven with each other. |
Bloodpetal
Sal's Waste Management and Pod Disposal The Mockers AO
1280
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Posted - 2013.06.13 14:40:00 -
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You're always in your pod because that's how the implants work to make you get your skills and bonuses and brain goo to mechanic goo to work properly.
If you're not in your pod, you're not getting ship bonuses, etc.
... Where I am. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
1175
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Posted - 2013.06.13 14:43:00 -
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hahaha!!
Holy crap Chribba, see what you've started ?? LOL !!
Personnel Division Director --áBene Gesserit Chapterhouse "The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another." - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
552
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Posted - 2013.06.13 14:54:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Chribba wrote: We can from the chart see that an unskilled, unfitted titan pilot (and it's crew - NEVER FORGET THE CREW lol) will not have a hard time ..., takes nearly 2 minutes and only be affected by 0.04girlFriend, think we will survive that one pretty good.
4% chance of having a girlfriend if you're a titan pilot?
Seems like a reasonable value.
Having a sticker with "My other ride is a Titan" on your -97 Mazda isn't a significant babe magnet.
ps. But a high score if you do have a girlfriend and have her drive the car ... ds.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Xavier Zedicus
Raytheon Intergalactic Research Gatekeepers Universe
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Posted - 2013.06.13 14:58:00 -
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Abon wrote:That is all true the question is do we talk about the theoretical warp drive that actually bends space and pulls our target destination towards us turning light years into mere meters aka "jumping". Or do we talk about the one that forms a bubble of space around you with a new set of physical laws in it allowing you to ignore E=mc2 and reaching FTL speeds. Both suggested models would also protect you from time actually speeding up while travelling at high speeds. At the moment it seems we won`t need both of them anyways in the future as new theories (especially String Theory) suggests we might be able to simple "phase out" of our dimension and re-enter it at whatever location we wish in a mere microsecond. Theories also suggest that this would be the natural way for a highly advanced civilization to travel space as it is instant and also removes the dangers of deep space travel. Simply travel to orbit, push button, phase out - phase in, be in the orbit of another planet millions of lightyears away. Or another dimension all together, your call! According to String Theory everything vibrates along tiny tiny strings which causes matter to form and all the other weird things. Simply attune yourself to another frequency and bingo! We know of 11 other existing dimensions so far including our own. Not to mention that the universe splits itself constantly into all possible future outcomes which are unlimited but that is something that causes even the most brilliant scientists massive amounts of hurt in their brains. Now my personal guess is such things will start to develop once we fully understand gravity (something we really don`t understand even today, is it some form of particle? an electromagnetic force? nobody really knows..). The very moment we are able to manipulate gravity is the same moment we will be able to manipulate space and time since those three are absolutely interwoven with each other.
Here's the lore. It's the bubble one, as I explained. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Warp_drives Nerf Rock, Paper is fine. - Scissors-á
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Xonus Calimar
CaeIum Incognitum
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Posted - 2013.06.13 14:58:00 -
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Does this mean every time you bump someone, you kill dozens of their (and your own) crew members? |
Xavier Zedicus
Raytheon Intergalactic Research Gatekeepers Universe
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Posted - 2013.06.13 14:59:00 -
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Double post :x Nerf Rock, Paper is fine. - Scissors-á
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Abon
STAHLSTURM Test Alliance Please Ignore
136
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Posted - 2013.06.13 15:07:00 -
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Xavier Zedicus wrote:Abon wrote:That is all true the question is do we talk about the theoretical warp drive that actually bends space and pulls our target destination towards us turning light years into mere meters aka "jumping". Or do we talk about the one that forms a bubble of space around you with a new set of physical laws in it allowing you to ignore E=mc2 and reaching FTL speeds. Both suggested models would also protect you from time actually speeding up while travelling at high speeds. At the moment it seems we won`t need both of them anyways in the future as new theories (especially String Theory) suggests we might be able to simple "phase out" of our dimension and re-enter it at whatever location we wish in a mere microsecond. Theories also suggest that this would be the natural way for a highly advanced civilization to travel space as it is instant and also removes the dangers of deep space travel. Simply travel to orbit, push button, phase out - phase in, be in the orbit of another planet millions of lightyears away. Or another dimension all together, your call! According to String Theory everything vibrates along tiny tiny strings which causes matter to form and all the other weird things. Simply attune yourself to another frequency and bingo! We know of 11 other existing dimensions so far including our own. Not to mention that the universe splits itself constantly into all possible future outcomes which are unlimited but that is something that causes even the most brilliant scientists massive amounts of hurt in their brains. Now my personal guess is such things will start to develop once we fully understand gravity (something we really don`t understand even today, is it some form of particle? an electromagnetic force? nobody really knows..). The very moment we are able to manipulate gravity is the same moment we will be able to manipulate space and time since those three are absolutely interwoven with each other. Here's the lore. It's the bubble one, as I explained. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Warp_drives
Very nice, thank you.
So we now can assume that as soon as you hit the warp button in EVE a bubble gets established around your ship creating a tiny sub space with a new set of physical laws simply excluding Newtons Laws and therefore inertia. I wonder what else you could do...
Your pods are safe guys. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1576
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Posted - 2013.06.13 15:12:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Although I am no physics major or anything, I am pretty sure there would be no g-force in a spaceships. Without an atmosphere or gravity holding us to a nearby object there is no g-force.
"G-force (with g from gravitational) is a measurement of acceleration felt as weight."
If your on a ship generating false gravity for practical purposes you wouldn't feel anything either because your weight is determined relative only to the ships interior environment so anything going on outside is irrelevant.
So, in short, no Gs. Sorry to spoil the fun.
(Also, there is a lot of terrible terrible physics in this thread).
Edit: Not sure that was clear enough. We only experience G-Force on earth because gravity dictates that our weight holds us to a certain spot. Moving fast enough creates the phenomenon where your body is being pulled from that spot forcefully. Without the gravity there and a relative surface to be pulled away from, you don't have a problem. This might still be a problem for no artificial gravity ships accelerating fast away from high mass planets whilst in very very low orbit.
It's pretty obvious from your post here that not only are you not a physics major, you've never studied the subject in any meaningful fashion.
Please stop embarrassing yourself. Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Abon
STAHLSTURM Test Alliance Please Ignore
136
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Posted - 2013.06.13 15:15:00 -
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Xonus Calimar wrote:Does this mean every time you bump someone, you kill dozens of their (and your own) crew members?
Depends on the mass of the ship and the speed of the bump. But i think we can be pretty certain that sickbay will have to deal with a lot of broken bones and smashed heads in an possible scenario. |
Mal Tink
Grim Determination Clockworks Inc. Nulli Tertius
0
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Posted - 2013.06.13 15:18:00 -
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There is some badass trolling right there at the first post.. damn. |
Darvaleth Sigma
Progressive State State Section 9
305
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Posted - 2013.06.13 15:24:00 -
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You forget, the Capsule itself is flying through liquid... Eve's a submarine game, remember? Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.
Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life! |
Knights Armament
State Protectorate Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.06.13 15:24:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGZoMPXG0MI
those are the astronauts of the future, maybe we'll be able to put our brains inside of one.
My idea is clear and simple, we'll use 3d printers to make satellites in space, sprinkle these satellites around then download our consciousness onto very small androids. The internet is the key to space travel, we'll be able to bounce signals off our networks in space at light speed, and back, faster than sending some rocket.
Once we've networked space, we can utilize 3d printing technology to build entire colonies on mars, and the moon. Humans can't survive in space due to the high amounts of radiation, and the effects of no or reduced gravity on our skeleton. So we have to upgrade. http://wiiudaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/deus-ex_-human-revolution-wallpapers.jpg When the DUST is settled, everything will change.
EVERYTHING |
Abon
STAHLSTURM Test Alliance Please Ignore
136
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Posted - 2013.06.13 15:28:00 -
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This is all you nerds need to calculate all the bumping.
Those laws apply when the ship is not enclosed in a warp bubble and in normal space time.
First law: An object at rest remains at rest unless acted upon by a force. An object in motion remains in motion, and at a constant velocity, unless acted upon by a force.
Second law: The acceleration of a body is directly proportional to, and in the same direction as, the net force acting on the body, and inversely proportional to its mass. Thus, F = ma, where F is the net force acting on the object, m is the mass of the object and a is the acceleration of the object.
Third law: When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction to that of the first body.
Sir Isaac Newton is indeed the most deadly ************ in the universe. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
4498
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Posted - 2013.06.13 15:45:00 -
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Chribbas maths are wrong. He forgot to compensate for a fluid universe. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Echo Echoplex
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2013.06.13 15:59:00 -
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Holy Veldspar, I'm posting to a Chribba thread just because I can ftw!
o7 Untutored courage is useless in the face of educated bullets. Gen. George S. Patton |
Abon
STAHLSTURM Test Alliance Please Ignore
136
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:05:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGZoMPXG0MI those are the astronauts of the future, maybe we'll be able to put our brains inside of one. My idea is clear and simple, we'll use 3d printers to make satellites in space, sprinkle these satellites around then download our consciousness onto very small androids. The internet is the key to space travel, we'll be able to bounce signals off our networks in space at light speed, and back, faster than sending some rocket. Once we've networked space, we can utilize 3d printing technology to build entire colonies on mars, and the moon. Humans can't survive in space due to the high amounts of radiation, and the effects of no or reduced gravity on our skeleton. So we have to upgrade. http://wiiudaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/deus-ex_-human-revolution-wallpapers.jpg
Cool idea i like it but as i stated above you simply circumvent all that by dimensional shifting or a warp drive. Not to mention that you stay "intact" when travelling like that.
Recent studies in neurology turned out some interesting facts. It seems our brains are not just amazing and mysterious organs but are also in some way linked to our reality on a quantum level. This is very interesting as neurology and physics reach a point where they cross paths. Don`t forget!! THIS IS IMPORTANT! When experiments are commited in the fields of quantum mechanics the outcome is depending on the presence of an observer!!! Therefore the universe is aware of your and our presence at all times and you influence it the whole time without actually noticing it. This is a huge mystery even today.
There have some experiments showing that even before somebody decides to move or do something there is measurable but unexplainable activity in your brain before the decision happens sometimes lasting up as long as seconds. Some scientists described it as "like a phone call on an old analog line overseas". Further studies seem to show that while you think your conciousness in "in your body" it seems to be actually not. Rather more you are "linked in" your body from a quantum level by some kind of invisible universal tether and what can be measured in the brain roughly translates to "lag".
If this turns out to be true someday i highly doubt we will ever be able to transfer our whole conciousness to a device or another body because this "disconnect" already occurs on a daily basis and we tend to call it "death". This is some highly metaphysical stuff of course..maybe we will never know for certain. I personally think we simply relog to a new existence after death as our old "machine" aka body gets broken and there is no big fuzz about it like religions try to nail into our heads. |
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