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Typhis Deterious
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION ORPHANS OF EVE
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Posted - 2013.06.14 17:16:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Typhis Deterious wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Sometimes, the EVE forum community reminds me of jail.
Back when my career started, I worked in a county jail as a Guard so I got to deal with inmates daily. 1st day of training my training officer took me around the various units with a cart to do "Med Call" where we'd give the inmates pain relievers, cold/sinus pills, anti-tich cream, whatever.. The inmates were in open bays rather than cells and us guard would walk the hallways between bays. At med call a line would form at the window to the hallway.
I asked the 1st inmate in line what he wanted and he said "Asprin and Cold Busters". I started to hand them to him and the training officer stopped me. He said "never hand it to them, pour a cup of water, put the pills in the water, wait 30 seconds then give it to them, Make sure they drink down the pills before you move on to the next". After Med call I asked him why.
He told me that the inmates would take the pills and hoard them and make stronger drugs, or crush them up, mix them with tobacco, roll it up and smoke it to get high......
Later I watched inmates make grilled cheese sandwich with Clothes Irons, watched one dude make a coffee heating element out of a broken light bulb and a piece of wire (the coffee given to inmates for breakfast was usually cold by the time it made it to the last bays), I saw all kinds of creativity and ingenuity, as well as scams, lying and complaining. mostly complaining, about the "man", the police, society, the laws, etc etc.
I learned something about them. If those same creative inmates put that creativity to good use rather than being freaking criminals, every single one of them would not only be free, they'd be rich, and not just regular rich, but BILL GATES rich..
If these people complaining about some game feature that negatively affects them spent more time on figuring things out and less time complaining about it on a forum, there'd be no cloaky camping because it would be less than useless. And here I thought the jail analogy was about the forums being full of sodomy and random shanking... The Sodomy and random shanking happens in game. I dunno Jenn. I have been involved in a few conversations on here where I am pretty sure someone got nailed. |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2013.06.14 17:21:00 -
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Fonac wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Fonac wrote: You dont pve in pvp fitted ships, if you do, you're wasting your time.
So much effort to bung a point or two on an armour Cane Flying a suboptimal ship(for the job) is no good either.
What do you put in the mid slots of your Canes?
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.06.14 17:22:00 -
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Fonac wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Fonac wrote: You dont pve in pvp fitted ships, if you do, you're wasting your time.
So much effort to bung a point or two on an armour Cane Flying a suboptimal ship(for the job) is no good either.
The choice is fly "suboptimal ship" and make some isk or explode (or stay docked) and make none. Choose one. |
Hans Zwaardhandler
Borealis Mining Concern The Tribbles
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Posted - 2013.06.14 17:23:00 -
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Fonac wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Fonac wrote: You dont pve in pvp fitted ships, if you do, you're wasting your time.
So much effort to bung a point or two on an armour Cane Flying a suboptimal ship(for the job) is no good either.
So min/maxing the amount of cash that you can get in a span of time is better than a touch more safety and a fighting chance if need be? Sounds rather pointless if you are going to possibly lose that ship if the AFK cloaker in the local area is not indeed AFK. |
Toshiro Hasegawa
The Circus Corp Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2013.06.14 17:26:00 -
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thing i find funny is most of the "hostiles" in local never fight, i am guessing they must be risk adverse too. they want their pvp kills on a platter, and in that reagrd the afk claoky is actually a problem .. to that end i think all the player rats should support the anti afk cloaky movement.
if there wernt afk cloakies .. then all the nullbears would be out and about at their nullbear picnics, providing more targets of opportunity for the hostiles.
perahps afk cloakers are actually in place due to blue alliance leadership to keep their nullbears safe and not living in ignorance of their true danger out in null sec from the roaming pvp wolves.
just saying ... |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2013.06.14 17:29:00 -
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Bears would suffer too.
Would be a real shame for that Blockade Runner's cloak to fail just after jumping into a camped system, eh
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James 420
EVE Corporation 98188875
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Posted - 2013.06.14 17:30:00 -
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bbb2020 wrote:Funny how everybody is against AFK playstyles when we're talking mining, missioning and ratting etc. but almost nobody is against the cloakers playing the game, AFK.
One would think that the argument used against miners and ratters - that if you play this game (when in your ship in Space), you should always be at the keyboard, would have to be an argument that in generel applied to every player, nomatter what ship they sat in. But as always, it only applies to the other players and there playstyle, not to you and your playstyle.
But I don't make ISK being AFK one would assume would be the next argument - but its not about making ISK or not - its about playing the game. You might not gain free ISK but you do gain a free advantage. The whole qustion also clash with another principle argument in the game - Risk vs. reward. You, your corp and alliance get a reward at almost no risk.
But hey. I don't live in null and frankly don't really care about the whole mess. I just made some opservation reading forum threads about the thing and just wanted to put forward my thoughts. You are wrong, people complain about afk isk income, that has nothing to do with being afk in game. Using your flawed logic CCP should implement an anti afk timer (let's say 10 min) that kick you from the game if you don't move/shoot something right? There is nothing wrong with people being afk just fot the sake of being afk. Proud enforcer of 420 BLAZE IT |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
141
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Posted - 2013.06.14 17:32:00 -
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Walton Simons wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Removing local would solve the cloak issue. Or putting a 1 hour max time depending on skills works too, lol ace menda, nice 5 kills past 3 months,talk about carebear
A better solution would be making them scannable with special probes and a good deal of time. That would prevent the AFK cloaking but still allow active players the benefit of cloak. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.06.14 17:34:00 -
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Toshiro Hasegawa wrote:thing i find funny is most of the "hostiles" in local never fight, i am guessing they must be risk adverse too. they want their pvp kills on a platter, and in that reagrd the afk claoky is actually a problem .. to that end i think all the player rats should support the anti afk cloaky movement.
if there wernt afk cloakies .. then all the nullbears would be out and about at their nullbear picnics, providing more targets of opportunity for the hostiles.
perahps afk cloakers are actually in place due to blue alliance leadership to keep their nullbears safe and not living in ignorance of their true danger out in null sec from the roaming pvp wolves.
just saying ...
You have a backwards wauy at looking at things.
The cloakers are doing EVE a service by slowing the rate at which new isk and materials are added to the game (ie cloakers are anti-inflationary). They occasionally kill unwary ratters and that's WAY more valuable to the EVe economy than some dude crunching rocks or killing npcs. The cloakers for people to innovate to counter them (as I have) etc etc.
Those cloakers (afk or not) do way more for EVE Online than the people they are "forcing" (lol) to stay docked. As a mostly PVE player I hate them for disrupting my comfort zone, while loving them...for disrupting my comfort zone.
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Yesterday a guy came in a Cloaked in my ratting system in Catch. I fit a MWD+ cloak , found a non-upgraded system with natural/random anoms and did a sanctum and 2 havens. The last haven escalated to a 10/10 and I made almost 2 bil from the drop....I drop I might not have gotten if i hadn't had to leave my upgraded system.
Thanks for the isk AFK CLOAKER, this Buds for you.
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Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2013.06.14 17:35:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:Walton Simons wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Removing local would solve the cloak issue. Or putting a 1 hour max time depending on skills works too, lol ace menda, nice 5 kills past 3 months,talk about carebear A better solution would be making them scannable with special probes and a good deal of time. That would prevent the AFK cloaking but still allow active players the benefit of cloak.
No it wouldnt.
Even AFK ships can move
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Doc Spectre
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.14 17:35:00 -
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Cloak whiners need to be perma banned from EVE, The Forums, The Internet, and owning a computer at all.... |
Stegas Tyrano
GLU CANU Open Space Consultancy
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Posted - 2013.06.14 17:41:00 -
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CCP Fozzie said in a pre-odyssey stream that they will be looking at the cloaking mechanic sometime in the future. Herping your derp since 19Potato --á[Proposal] - Ingame Visual Adverts |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.06.14 17:49:00 -
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Walton Simons wrote:CCP stll needs to do something about cloaks, i mean seriously one click and your invisible for all day, can't do **** cause this one person wants to afk with a cyno rapier in the middle of space
it's ok though, cloak takes no cap and you can't find the person unless he magically decloaks while afk but you know that won't happen while hes in the middle of space and there is noting there
in my opinion cloaks are very op and need a nerf :) like the prices of dreads need a nerf lol If they are invisible, then how do you know they are there?
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.06.14 17:56:00 -
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This is the thread that never ends. It just goes on and on my friends. Some people started posting in it not knowing what it was, And they'll continue posting in it forever just because . . .
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
CompleteFailure
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.06.14 17:59:00 -
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Paraphrasing CCP Soundwave: "No one has ever died to an AFK cloaker." Meaning, if they are AFK, how can they be a threat?
Learn how to deal with it (it's not that hard to get a cloaky camper to leave), or go to high sec. |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
214
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Posted - 2013.06.14 18:00:00 -
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Ace Menda wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:You guys posting here act like you never lived in null and never for a corp that cares about their KB. In most corps you can be kicked if you loose something to a cloaky. SOP for most corps to stay POS/docked up to prevent possible loss. So you go play your alt.
I agree with the OP. Interaction should be required to remain cloaked. And you sir are a ****** posting with an alt cause you are scared someone will find you. I've lived in null for over 2 years. And I never complained or was bothered with cloaky campers. It's knowing how to use D-scan... You just are like all the typical carebears in null that complain when they can't make their ISK.
So please dont hide behind your eve name post your real name address and ssn and phone number. Would love to talk and text. |
Steve Spooner
Mordu's Military Industrial Command Circle-Of-Two
88
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Posted - 2013.06.14 18:03:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:Just pretend there's no local and ignore it, seems to be what all the nullbears want anyways.
No one complains about afk cloakers in WH space because no one knows they exist.
You can't covert cyno hotdrop in WH space either, and if you want to actually catch someone you better have probes out. |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
214
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Posted - 2013.06.14 18:03:00 -
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Stegas Tyrano wrote:CCP Fozzie said in a pre-odyssey stream that they will be looking at the cloaking mechanic sometime in the future.
Thank you....I posted that link in the last thread. No one wants to acknowledge it because then that would be admitting it is a issue needing attention. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
2427
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Posted - 2013.06.14 18:08:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Stegas Tyrano wrote:CCP Fozzie said in a pre-odyssey stream that they will be looking at the cloaking mechanic sometime in the future. Thank you....I posted that link in the last thread. No one wants to acknowledge it because then that would be admitting it is a issue needing attention.
CCP Fozzie: "Hey lets look at this!"
CCP Soundwave: "No one has ever died to an AFK cloaker, or anyone who was AFK, cloaked or otherwise."
CCP Fozzie: "O.K. then, mission accomplished." The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Toshiro Hasegawa
The Circus Corp Nulli Tertius
4
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Posted - 2013.06.14 18:10:00 -
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CompleteFailure wrote:Paraphrasing CCP Soundwave: "No one has ever died to an AFK cloaker." Meaning, if they are AFK, how can they be a threat?
Learn how to deal with it (it's not that hard to get a cloaky camper to leave), or go to high sec.
a) they are a threat because they could come back from afk and become active and warp cloaked to your location . decloak and be shooting your or blopping you at any time ... now? how about now ? They might be afk or they might not - one can not tell so one has to assume they are not. This is so **** simple I am flabergasted that anyone with half a brain doesnt see this.
b) how can you make a cloaky camper do anything .. they are cloaked and we are all helpless to do anything about it if the camper choses to stay there . We could all quit eve , but if they wanted o they could still be claokjed in that system , day after day. All the power laws with the camper.
c) even the cloaky camper doesnt want us to all go back to high sec .. that would remove their purpose from life . |
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Toshiro Hasegawa
The Circus Corp Nulli Tertius
4
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Posted - 2013.06.14 18:12:00 -
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Doc Spectre wrote:Cloak whiners need to be perma banned from EVE, The Forums, The Internet, and owning a computer at all....
is that people who use cloaks and whine ?
personaly i think people who post from noob corp alts should be banned .. but thats just me .. |
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
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Posted - 2013.06.14 18:12:00 -
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bbb2020
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2013.06.14 18:27:00 -
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James 420 wrote:You are wrong, people complain about afk isk income, that has nothing to do with being afk in game. Using your flawed logic CCP should implement an anti afk timer (let's say 10 min) that kick you from the game if you don't move/shoot something right? There is nothing wrong with people being afk just fot the sake of being afk. If you actually read what I wrote, you'll see that I actually wrote that the similarities in the two forms of AFK'ing was the income. Even the AFK cloacker has an income (I just called it "free advantage") and If you think the only income you can have in this game is ISK, you have a very narrow minded view of what this game can give to you.
I to don't have any problem with people being afk just for the sake of being afk. The problem is, that that is not was is being discussed here. It's the problem of people going afk in an enemy territory where they will show up "non blue" or even "red" in local.
The only reason anyone would go to the trouble of fitting a ship and fly into an enemy territory if they get something out of it. That is their income. That being intel, the knowledge that they disrupt the systems normal gameplay, the tears or just for the lutz - they still has a reason for being there.
Don't tell me that anybody will jump 3 systems into an enemy territory and go AFK just for the sake of being afk. That's insulting mine, everybodys and your own intelligence. Don't! |
CompleteFailure
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
47
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Posted - 2013.06.14 18:41:00 -
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Toshiro Hasegawa wrote:CompleteFailure wrote:Paraphrasing CCP Soundwave: "No one has ever died to an AFK cloaker." Meaning, if they are AFK, how can they be a threat?
Learn how to deal with it (it's not that hard to get a cloaky camper to leave), or go to high sec. a) they are a threat because they could come back from afk and become active and warp cloaked to your location . decloak and be shooting your or blopping you at any time ... now? how about now ? They might be afk or they might not - one can not tell so one has to assume they are not. This is so **** simple I am flabergasted that anyone with half a brain doesnt see this. b) how can you make a cloaky camper do anything .. they are cloaked and we are all helpless to do anything about it if the camper choses to stay there . We could all quit eve , but if they wanted o they could still be claokjed in that system , day after day. All the power laws with the camper. c) even the cloaky camper doesnt want us to all go back to high sec .. that would remove their purpose from life .
a) Then they're not AFK then, are they? So what you're saying is that you want to make people play a certain way, and not in a way that you don't like.
b) Get your friends together, bait him out, and kill him. He won't be there anymore if he's dead, will he?
c) True, but I never said that the cloaky camper wanted you to go to high sec. I suggested going to high sec as a way to not have to deal with cloaky campers if you really feel you can't deal with them.
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Typhis Deterious
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION ORPHANS OF EVE
5
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Posted - 2013.06.14 18:45:00 -
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Since when they come back from afk they are no longer afk AND cloaked pease move any further comments about the danger of AFK and CLOAKED campers to the Whine and Cheese forum.
The thread is about AFK cloakers and their dangerous (apparently) affect on all that is good and holy. Please try to stay on topic people. This are seriuz bdness.
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Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2013.06.14 18:50:00 -
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Fair point.
Are AFK Cloakers more dangerous than AFK station lurkers?
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Typhis Deterious
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION ORPHANS OF EVE
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Posted - 2013.06.14 18:53:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Fair point.
Are AFK Cloakers more dangerous than AFK station lurkers?
Apparently so as afk station lurkers are afraid to undock with afk cloakers in the system.
Communication between the two parties is still dark... |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
141
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Posted - 2013.06.14 18:57:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Shizuken wrote:Walton Simons wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Removing local would solve the cloak issue. Or putting a 1 hour max time depending on skills works too, lol ace menda, nice 5 kills past 3 months,talk about carebear A better solution would be making them scannable with special probes and a good deal of time. That would prevent the AFK cloaking but still allow active players the benefit of cloak. No it wouldnt. Even AFK ships can move
Ahh well botting is a problem in and of itself, if that was what you are referring to. True if players were afk warping between two points it would not be possible to lock em down under my plan.
I was actually anticipating something along the lines of how Admiral Kirk hunted down that cloaky bird of prey. Scan for emissions then deploy a weapon capable of exposing the cloaked ship. Then in the blast you would be able to hit them.
That would seem to do the trick, perhaps. I am always in favor of in game solutions rather than hard coded limits, like an arbitrary time limit on cloak deployment. This would be subject to botting anyway. |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2013.06.14 18:57:00 -
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Typhis Deterious wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Fair point.
Are AFK Cloakers more dangerous than AFK station lurkers? Apparently so as afk station lurkers are afraid to undock with afk cloakers in the system. Communication between the two parties is still dark...
I dunno...
I dont like using the market with AFK station lurkers in the station
What if they silently watch me place a buy order?!
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Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2013.06.14 18:59:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Shizuken wrote:Walton Simons wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Removing local would solve the cloak issue. Or putting a 1 hour max time depending on skills works too, lol ace menda, nice 5 kills past 3 months,talk about carebear A better solution would be making them scannable with special probes and a good deal of time. That would prevent the AFK cloaking but still allow active players the benefit of cloak. No it wouldnt. Even AFK ships can move Ahh well botting is a problem in and of itself, if that was what you are referring to. True if players were afk warping between two points it would not be possible to lock em down under my plan. I was actually anticipating something along the lines of how Admiral Kirk hunted down that cloaky bird of prey. Scan for emissions then deploy a weapon capable of exposing the cloaked ship. Then in the blast you would be able to hit them. That would seem to do the trick, perhaps. I am always in favor of in game solutions rather than hard coded limits, like an arbitrary time limit on cloak deployment. This would be subject to botting anyway.
No I mean that cloaked ships can still move
So it would be impossible to land on them, youd just land where they were
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