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Nagarythe Tinurandir
Tormented of Destiny The Kadeshi
136
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Posted - 2013.06.30 13:43:00 -
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henceforth, marauder shall have 16 small guns/launcher and be known as super-destroyers and system music changes to the imperial march upon entering of a marauder.
a slightly more serious notion;
- they either retian the PvE-role of marauders and make them better at PvE then pirate-bs (which could get a little more PvP focused in turn)
- make them some form of subcapital capital-destroyer, i don't know mount xl-weapons (rip golem).
- make them higly (bs-style..) mobile, skirmish platforms, directly competing with ACBs (meh) but justifying their name. imagine things like natively stabbed, obligatory actively tanked glass cannons.
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EXIA MIKOSZ
Strike Birds Zero
4
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Posted - 2013.06.30 13:56:00 -
[152] - Quote
PVE = MARAUDERS PVP = PIRATE BS
CCP for sure will stay at this Route and they will add/change some Stats/bonuses for these ships
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chaosgrimm
Universal Production and Networking Services
8
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Posted - 2013.06.30 15:15:00 -
[153] - Quote
I think they should, in addition to other changes, give them the ability to accept and complete mission remotely |
Gabriel Karade
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
106
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Posted - 2013.06.30 17:52:00 -
[154] - Quote
EXIA MIKOSZ wrote:PVE = MARAUDERS PVP = PIRATE BS
CCP for sure will stay at this Route and they will add/change some Stats/bonuses for these ships
I'll be massively disappointed if they do, making Marauders 'PVE ships' was a terrible piece of game design for a sand-box game...
Gallente MkII: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1227770 War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293 |
Jerick Ludhowe
trolllolcorp
474
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Posted - 2013.06.30 18:45:00 -
[155] - Quote
Gabriel Karade wrote:EXIA MIKOSZ wrote:PVE = MARAUDERS PVP = PIRATE BS
CCP for sure will stay at this Route and they will add/change some Stats/bonuses for these ships
I'll be massively disappointed if they do, making Marauders 'PVE ships' was a terrible piece of game design for a sand-box game...
Aye, design team around that time implemented some rather god awful things...
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Chimpface Holocaust
Zarnfell
1
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Posted - 2013.06.30 19:17:00 -
[156] - Quote
I'd actually like to see Marauders become a battleship-class Interdictor |
Funky Lazers
Shin-Ra Ltd
286
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Posted - 2013.06.30 20:42:00 -
[157] - Quote
Gabriel Karade wrote:EXIA MIKOSZ wrote:PVE = MARAUDERS PVP = PIRATE BS
CCP for sure will stay at this Route and they will add/change some Stats/bonuses for these ships
I'll be massively disappointed if they do, making Marauders 'PVE ships' was a terrible piece of game design for a sand-box game...
It doesn't matter if this game is a sand-box or a stone-box. This game is about PvE since the majority lives in hi-sec and people are generally don't do null-sec stuff.
It was a terrible idea to make most of the ships PvP oriented. At least half of the ships should be the PvE ones. Whatever. |
Gabriel Karade
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
107
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Posted - 2013.06.30 21:04:00 -
[158] - Quote
Funky Lazers wrote:Gabriel Karade wrote:EXIA MIKOSZ wrote:PVE = MARAUDERS PVP = PIRATE BS
CCP for sure will stay at this Route and they will add/change some Stats/bonuses for these ships
I'll be massively disappointed if they do, making Marauders 'PVE ships' was a terrible piece of game design for a sand-box game... It doesn't matter if this game is a sand-box or a stone-box. This game is about PvE since the majority lives in hi-sec and people are generally don't do null-sec stuff. It was a terrible idea to make most of the ships PvP oriented. At least half of the ships should be the PvE ones. There should be no difference - if the principal role is to shoot stuff in the face, it makes no difference if that is an NPC or a player.
Gallente MkII: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1227770 War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293 |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
183
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Posted - 2013.06.30 21:26:00 -
[159] - Quote
Chimpface Holocaust wrote: Golem
Caldari Battleship skill bonus: 15% bonus to missile launcher rate of fire per level Role Bonus: 50% bonus to missile damage slots: 8/7/4 6 turrets 6 launchers
Vargur
Minmatar Battleship skill Bonus: 15% bonus to projectile weapons rate of fire per level Role Bonus: 50% bonus to projectile weapon damage Slots: 8/7/4 - 6 turrets, 6 launchers
Thoughts?
Total bullcrap. 15% RoF per level is a 400% dps boost @lvl5, add 50% damage boost and you'll get 600% boost which translates into 36 unbonused turrets(for Vargur)/launchers(for Golem). You should at least try to learn game mechanics before suggesting such an abominations. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Tormented of Destiny The Kadeshi
136
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Posted - 2013.06.30 21:27:00 -
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Gabriel Karade wrote:There should be no difference - if the principal role is to shoot stuff in the face, it makes no difference if that is an NPC or a player.
you're right, but it would overwelm at least 90% of all players fokussing in PvE-gameplay. imagine the nerd-rage and butthurt.
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EXIA MIKOSZ
Strike Birds Zero
4
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Posted - 2013.06.30 21:51:00 -
[161] - Quote
You Want more PVP ships Guys????? Ask CCP to Add More Pirate BS(like Guristas Raven or Blood Raiders Apoc) Marauders was made for PVE purpose and they should stay here Not Everything is about pvp |
Chimpface Holocaust
Zarnfell
1
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:04:00 -
[162] - Quote
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:Chimpface Holocaust wrote: Golem
Caldari Battleship skill bonus: 15% bonus to missile launcher rate of fire per level Role Bonus: 50% bonus to missile damage slots: 8/7/4 6 turrets 6 launchers
Vargur
Minmatar Battleship skill Bonus: 15% bonus to projectile weapons rate of fire per level Role Bonus: 50% bonus to projectile weapon damage Slots: 8/7/4 - 6 turrets, 6 launchers
Thoughts?
Total bullcrap. 15% RoF per level is a 400% dps boost @lvl5, add 50% damage boost and you'll get 600% boost which translates into 36 unbonused turrets(for Vargur)/launchers(for Golem). You should at least try to learn game mechanics before suggesting such an abominations.
How do you figure that a 75% increase in ROF adds a 400% boost in damage? learn 2 math bro |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1242
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:16:00 -
[163] - Quote
Chimpface Holocaust wrote:How do you figure that a 75% increase in ROF adds a 400% boost in damage? learn 2 math bro you should read up on the mechanics you are talking about before hitting reply. bro.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Caleb Seremshur
Angel of War Whores in space
24
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:44:00 -
[164] - Quote
EXIA MIKOSZ wrote:You Want more PVP ships Guys????? Ask CCP to Add More Pirate BS(like Guristas Raven or Blood Raiders Apoc) Marauders was made for PVE purpose and they should stay here Not Everything is about pvp
The only "pve" ships this game *needs* are mining barges. Shooting at red crosses is a distraction from the social part of this game, not the intended means to the end. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1352
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Posted - 2013.07.01 02:29:00 -
[165] - Quote
EXIA MIKOSZ wrote:You Want more PVP ships Guys????? Ask CCP to Add More Pirate BS(like Guristas Raven or Blood Raiders Apoc) Marauders was made for PVE purpose and they should stay here Not Everything is about pvp You seem to be mistaken.
All ships are PVP ships. |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
184
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Posted - 2013.07.01 03:52:00 -
[166] - Quote
Chimpface Holocaust wrote:Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote: Total bullcrap. 15% RoF per level is a 400% dps boost @lvl5, add 50% damage boost and you'll get 600% boost which translates into 36 unbonused turrets(for Vargur)/launchers(for Golem). You should at least try to learn game mechanics before suggesting such an abominations.
How do you figure that a 75% increase in ROF adds a 400% boost in damage? learn 2 math bro Define RoF. Apply a bit of logic and you'll have your answer. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
Chimpface Holocaust
Zarnfell
1
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Posted - 2013.07.01 04:41:00 -
[167] - Quote
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:[quote=Chimpface Holocaust][quote=Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris] Total bullcrap. 15% RoF per level is a 400% dps boost @lvl5, add 50% damage boost and you'll get 600% boost which translates into 36 unbonused turrets(for Vargur)/launchers(for Golem). You should at least try to learn game mechanics before suggesting such an abominations.
You guys are right. I did the math backwards my bad lol |
Chimpface Holocaust
Zarnfell
1
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Posted - 2013.07.01 04:54:00 -
[168] - Quote
Updated because my math was backwards
I also modified the tank bonuses and added some Ewar
Chimpface Holocaust wrote:I'd actually like to see Marauders become a battleship-class Interdictor
Failing that, perhaps they could become more effective sub-cap combat ships by allowing for more diversity between their factional weapon types and by beefing up their tanks a bit and also adding Ewar
Perhaps also replace the stupid tractor bonus with a rate of use bonus on Micro-Jump Drives
such as - special ability: 20% reduction in activation speed and cooldown time of Micro-jump drives
Paladin
Amarr Battleship skill bonus: 10% reduction to energy weapon capacitor use per level 10% bonus to drone control range per level
Marauders skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Tracking Disruptor effectiveness per level 10% bonus to armor hitpoints per level
Role Bonus: 50% bonus to energy weapon damage 25% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage
Slots: 7/4/8 5 turrets 5 launchers
200/125 drone bandwidth/capacity
Golem
Caldari Battleship skill bonus: 7.5% bonus to missile launcher rate of fire per level 5% bonus to hybrid weapons rate of fire per level
Marauders skill bonus: 10% bonus to ECM strength per level 10% bonus to shield booster effectiveness per level
Role Bonus: 50% bonus to missile damage 25% bonus to hybrid weapon damage
slots: 8/7/4 6 turrets 6 launchers
75/150 drone bandwidth/capacity
Kronos
Gallente Battleship skill bonus: 5% bonus to hybrid weapons rate of fire per level +1 active drone per level
Marauders skill Bonus: 10% bonus to armor repairer effectiveness per level 10% bonus to sensor dampener effectiveness per level
Role Bonus: 50% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per level 25% bonus to hybrid weapons damage per level
Slots: 6/5/8 4 turrets 4 launchers
400/250 drone bandwidth/capacity
Vargur
Minmatar Battleship skill Bonus: 7.5% bonus to projectile weapons rate of fire per level 5% bonus to missile launcher rate of fire per level
Marauders skill bonus: 10% bonus to max velocity per level 5% bonus to stasis web range and velocity modifier per level
Role Bonus: 50% bonus to projectile weapon damage 25% bonus to missile damage
Slots: 8/7/4 - 6 turrets, 6 launchers
75/150 drone bandwidth/capacity
Thoughts? |
PavlikX
You are in da lock
75
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Posted - 2013.07.01 09:46:00 -
[169] - Quote
Hm. 1. If you remove 50% from damage role bonus, than why only 5 turrets? 2. I think that damage role bonus must be 125%, to free empty skill bonus slot to something else. 3. For what reason Paladin needs launchers, if it have no proper bonuses, meantime role bonus goes to the energy turrets? 4. Marauders must have repair and armor/shield hp bonuses both |
Funky Lazers
Shin-Ra Ltd
286
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Posted - 2013.07.01 10:30:00 -
[170] - Quote
EXIA MIKOSZ wrote:You Want more PVP ships Guys????? Ask CCP to Add More Pirate BS(like Guristas Raven or Blood Raiders Apoc) Marauders was made for PVE purpose and they should stay here Not Everything is about pvp
It more like most of the things in this game are about PvE.
Whatever. |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10472
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Posted - 2013.07.01 11:48:00 -
[171] - Quote
You guys are still thinking along the wrong lines.
This isn't going to be about smooshing red pluses even faster.
1 Kings 12:11
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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1243
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Posted - 2013.07.01 12:08:00 -
[172] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:You guys are still thinking along the wrong lines.
This isn't going to be about smooshing red pluses even faster. why not? give the carebears some love, or they will stop exploding into x-types....
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
105
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Posted - 2013.07.01 12:53:00 -
[173] - Quote
If they want PvP Marauders, I hope they at least have the decency to present them in new hulls, rather than completely changing the focus of the current ones. We still don't have a T2 Maelstrom, after all... |
The Djego
Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition
111
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Posted - 2013.07.01 13:10:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:You guys are still thinking along the wrong lines.
This isn't going to be about smooshing red pluses even faster.
Malc, can you please tell Fozzy to ask people that actually use marauders effectively before he changes anything?
In my opinion, give them not a terrible sensor strength and proper lock speed(since you lock small stuff all the time in pve) and bring her sigs down(it makes them far more flimsy as they need to be in stuff like Incs and WH) and a extra 50-100 calibration points to do full T2 rigging.
Paladin is good, maybe a extra 25m-¦ drone bay to do 3 sentrys + spare lights(I really love my the 3 sentry's in my Inc Pala). Vargur is good, if you nerf down the mach a bit. It could receive a fitting bonus like the tier 3 BCs to fit artillery while still being unable to do acs + heavy neuts. A bit more cap and speed would be nice, for mwd fittings. Golem needs a Torp rework and more speed + cap for mwd fittings. Kronos needs 125/275m-¦ drone bay to carry 2 full sets of sentry's(close and long range) to make up for rail dps and improve the flexibility of the hull also a bit more speed for rail kitting fittings would be nice
Butcher the active tanking bonuses, they are hardly useful for L4(since you don't really need a tank) and useless for WH or Incs, where you don't use active tanking.
Paladin: Tracking would be good, optimal would be preferred, since amarr and lasers are so weak(according to the forums) Vargur: I don't really know, double tracking or optimal bonus would be nice for artillery same as a double falloff would be cool for acs, but then again there is little what helps both. Golem: 10% per level torpedo explosion velocity, yes a effective tipple explosion velocity bonus, mixing torps that are less affected by speed with super powerful paining to make it more attractive compared to CM setups Kronos: Drone optimal/tracking same as it is on the new Domi, making it a full sentry/rail mixed weapon system and a fusion out of domi and mega, effective at any possible lock range
As for utility bonuses, for L4 improve the tractor range a bit(60km with T2 so 25% more) and double the chance for the salvager. For WH and Incs, add 100% range to cap transfer and RR and reduce the cap need by 25%, to further improve her superior spider tanking and logistic capability(what is already a good feature and a huge plus point compared to faction BS) in pve gangs. Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread
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Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Ex Cinere Scriptor
1963
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Posted - 2013.07.01 13:18:00 -
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The Djego wrote:Malcanis wrote:You guys are still thinking along the wrong lines.
This isn't going to be about smooshing red pluses even faster. Malc, can you please tell Fozzy to ask people that actually use marauders effectively before he changes anything? ONLY if he also checks with people who researched and considered Marauders, but rejected them as far too niche to be practical.
Trust me on this, anything that had that great of a training burden inspired more research than most ships, before committing such a long skill queue. And players that made informed decisions to NOT fly them are also worth noting. Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
dirtydebbs
Aperture Harmonics K162
11
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Posted - 2013.07.01 14:29:00 -
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to many walls of txt but what I have read so far is that the balance or re doing of the marauder class is this PVP BABY which fits in lien with the info of the ship in the first place :)
P.s. ccp if you are thinking of making them more into pvp and going to nerf t3s to the ground because i think in reality you idea for t3s was to get the same spread of ships you have in game for certain roles but because of wh mass to do it properly meant having a small ship mass with good dps and tank but unfortunately u forgot to add in the code not to be used out side of a WH, if that is the case and you want us to have the same kicks ure seriously going to have to make a bs with less mass to make it worth while in a wh and with the description of the marauders it fits in well with null and wh systems but the mass is a no go even with honeycombing skill will suck |
EXIA MIKOSZ
Strike Birds Zero
4
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Posted - 2013.07.01 14:39:00 -
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The Djego wrote:Malcanis wrote:You guys are still thinking along the wrong lines.
This isn't going to be about smooshing red pluses even faster. Malc, can you please tell Fozzy to ask people that actually use marauders effectively before he changes anything? In my opinion, give them not a terrible sensor strength and proper lock speed(since you lock small stuff all the time in pve) and bring her sigs down(it makes them far more flimsy as they need to be in stuff like Incs and WH) and a extra 50-100 calibration points to do full T2 rigging. Paladin is good, maybe a extra 25m-¦ drone bay to do 3 sentrys + spare lights(I really love my the 3 sentry's in my Inc Pala). Vargur is good, if you nerf down the mach a bit. It could receive a fitting bonus like the tier 3 BCs to fit artillery while still being unable to do acs + heavy neuts. A bit more cap and speed would be nice, for mwd fittings. Golem needs a Torp rework and more speed + cap for mwd fittings. Kronos needs 125/275m-¦ drone bay to carry 2 full sets of sentry's(close and long range) to make up for rail dps and improve the flexibility of the hull also a bit more speed for rail kitting fittings would be nice Butcher the active tanking bonuses, they are hardly useful for L4(since you don't really need a tank) and useless for WH or Incs, where you don't use active tanking. Paladin: Tracking would be good, optimal would be preferred, since amarr and lasers are so weak(according to the forums) Vargur: I don't really know, double tracking or optimal bonus would be nice for artillery same as a double falloff would be cool for acs, but then again there is little what helps both. Golem: 10% per level torpedo explosion velocity, yes a effective tipple explosion velocity bonus, mixing torps that are less affected by speed with super powerful paining to make it more attractive compared to CM setups Kronos: Drone optimal/tracking same as it is on the new Domi, making it a full sentry/rail mixed weapon system and a fusion out of domi and mega, effective at any possible lock range As for utility bonuses, for L4 improve the tractor range a bit(60km with T2 so 25% more) and double the chance for the salvager. For WH and Incs, add 100% range to cap transfer and RR and reduce the cap need by 25%, to further improve her superior spider tanking and logistic capability(what is already a good feature and a huge plus point compared to faction BS) in pve gangs.
That Guy Talk with sense Also i hope they will leave Target Painter Bonus on Golem(If they rework Golem to be better in Torpedos then this is must) I |
The Djego
Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition
113
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:05:00 -
[178] - Quote
Nikk Narrel wrote:The Djego wrote:Malcanis wrote:You guys are still thinking along the wrong lines.
This isn't going to be about smooshing red pluses even faster. Malc, can you please tell Fozzy to ask people that actually use marauders effectively before he changes anything? ONLY if he also checks with people who researched and considered Marauders, but rejected them as far too niche to be practical. Trust me on this, anything that had that great of a training burden inspired more research than most ships, before committing such a long skill queue. And players that made informed decisions to NOT fly them are also worth noting.
I got over a dozen of marauders, multiple chars with marauder 5 and fly them since years and currently on a daily basis(for hours). If you can't value the massive amount of utility what comes with ships that are not only full fleshed out gank bs but 50% of a logi build in for gang pve like Incs and WH, then you have never really used a marauder properly.
If it is not worth the ISK and SP for you then I can live with that, on the other hand if you generally fly logi you will see a massive potential in a marauder and while L4 are content where you need just dps and no tank, for other stuff a BS that can power up his own logi and RR it against agro is extreme good, because it adds tons of utility to the gang what faction BS lack.
To give you a idea, the Paladin(what is the best marauder, because it is the best at gang pve) is in use for group content like Incs for years, because it got a unique combination of ability's what no other armor platform provides, being one of the best sniper hulls, one of the best close range gank hulls, 90% webber and brilliant logistic platform at the same time. While they are just on par/slightly behind in L4 with faction BS, if you look at group content without local tanking they are very impressive and beat faction BS by adding tons of survivability and tank to the hole gang. I even fly in Inc gangs where the first questions are generally "Can you fly a Paladin instead?" "Do you have Marauder 5?", because it is the ship we fly, no machs, no vindis, no NMs, no Legions, no Lokis(and no we can fly all this hulls very good). The reason for this is not only because it is super effective and even better than most faction BS at least for the Inc content, but because you can comfortable fly with halve the EHP of other armor gangs, while you don't need to worry about your tank at all. Simply because you have like 7 effective logis in the fleet(that is 2-3 times what other gangs have). There is no such thing like a oshit moment when logis disconnect since you know, you still have more than enough RR on the field to tank that even in the paper thin fittings we use. Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1083
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:11:00 -
[179] - Quote
The Djego wrote:Nikk Narrel wrote:The Djego wrote:Malcanis wrote:You guys are still thinking along the wrong lines.
This isn't going to be about smooshing red pluses even faster. Malc, can you please tell Fozzy to ask people that actually use marauders effectively before he changes anything? ONLY if he also checks with people who researched and considered Marauders, but rejected them as far too niche to be practical. Trust me on this, anything that had that great of a training burden inspired more research than most ships, before committing such a long skill queue. And players that made informed decisions to NOT fly them are also worth noting. I got over a dozen of marauders, multiple chars with marauder 5 and fly them since years and currently on a daily basis(for hours). If you can't value the massive amount of utility what comes with ships that are not only full fleshed out gank bs but 50% of a logi build in for gang pve like Incs and WH, then you have never really used a marauder properly. If it is not worth the ISK and SP for you then I can live with that, on the other hand if you generally fly logi you will see a massive potential in a marauder and while L4 are content where you need just dps and no tank, for other stuff a BS that can power up his own logi and RR it against agro is extreme good, because it adds tons of utility to the gang what faction BS lack. To give you a idea, the Paladin(what is the best marauder, because it is the best at gang pve) is in use for group content like Incs for years, because it got a unique combination of ability's what no other armor platform provides, being one of the best sniper hulls, one of the best close range gank hulls, 90% webber and brilliant logistic platform at the same time. While they are just on par/slightly behind in L4 with faction BS, if you look at group content without local tanking they are very impressive and beat faction BS by adding tons of survivability and tank to the hole gang. I even fly in Inc gangs where the first questions are generally "Can you fly a Paladin instead?" "Do you have Marauder 5?", because it is the ship we fly, no machs, no vindis, no NMs, no Legions, no Lokis(and no we can fly all this hulls very good). The reason for this is not only because it is super effective and even better than most faction BS at least for the Inc content, but because you can comfortable fly with halve the EHP of other armor gangs, while you don't need to worry about your tank at all. Simply because you have like 7 effective logis in the fleet(that is 2-3 times what other gangs have). There is no such thing like a oshit moment when logis disconnect since you know, you still have more than enough RR on the field to tank that even in the paper thin fittings we use.
The Djego, don't tell them tactics used in high sec income streams. That only guarantees that tactic will be nerfed. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1083
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:14:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:You guys are still thinking along the wrong lines.
This isn't going to be about smooshing red pluses even faster.
Glad to see that you now dropped any facade about the CSM "only a sounding board for CCP" and are now acting like you speak directly for the dev team.
And we have always known where you stand on high sec income streams. |
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