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Oggat
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Posted - 2013.06.14 21:20:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote:This argument sounds really familiar.
Like REALLY familiar.
Like tags4sec familiar.
Since we already have a tag4standing mechanic in place the only change necessary would be to remove the "one-time" use restriction on data centers. yes i think that would help, CCP implemented the new tag4sec as well because they did notice that some players decided to leave the game because their character was locked out of high sec, if the data centers could be used more often that would be an ideal and easy sollution I think
No it wouldn't. Data Center standings still impact opposition factions.
The system is designed to be whack-a-mole. All repeatable Data Center's would do is remove mission grind. |
Oggat
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Posted - 2013.06.14 21:38:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Oggat wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote:This argument sounds really familiar.
Like REALLY familiar.
Like tags4sec familiar.
Since we already have a tag4standing mechanic in place the only change necessary would be to remove the "one-time" use restriction on data centers. yes i think that would help, CCP implemented the new tag4sec as well because they did notice that some players decided to leave the game because their character was locked out of high sec, if the data centers could be used more often that would be an ideal and easy sollution I think No it wouldn't. Data Center standings still impact opposition factions. The system is designed to be whack-a-mole. All repeatable Data Center's would do is remove mission grind. yea thats right the interaction of the standings is something I'm not so excited about as well :D
Don't use Navy corps if what you are trying to obtain is access to 4 racial corps, not the full races. You won't get access to high sec POS or even clones but you can get a corp in each nation to where you can run 4's anywhere.
Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see Data Centers no longer be static. Switching out loyalties is what pirates do with sec tags. Doing the same with pirate dog tags for the Nations would be balanced. Pirates buy Sec, mission runners buy standings.
Have it 3 months like Epic Arc, add in a second tier for commander and you could switch out what nation you are loyal to at about the same speed as you can remap. |
Oggat
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Posted - 2013.06.14 21:50:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:Oggat wrote: The system is designed to be whack-a-mole. All repeatable Data Center's would do is remove mission grind.
Whack-a-mole is actually fine in this instance. I am pretty sure the mission grind is the most awful part of the current mechanic. Its much slower and more nauseating than sec grind ever was.
I'm not about to argue if CCP decide to make data center based standings similar to sec tags.
250,000 or so souls from dog tags in Jita vaults are telling me I'd have rocks in my head. But as an alternative because those are good, can we reproc the commander tags to racial moon goo and the regualr tags for a little raw moon goo based on rank?
I'd rather nuke them but 5K in minerals seems a bit comical for some of them. |
Oggat
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Posted - 2013.06.15 02:12:00 -
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Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
Faction navies can and do give non-faction missions and can be used to gain the standings you want/need. You can get access to POS's without any faction navies shooting at you. That's easy. Clones? Did they change something? I thought it was just standings with a NPC corp, which doesn't go down.
It is more than possible, it is what my mission-running character has done. Currently he has unmodified standings of 6.98, 4.40, 4.05 and -1.02 for the big four. Modified with skills makes them all positive.
Many tertiary corps don't have cloning facilities. Most in fact. Yes, you can cherry pick navy missions and get through it but you will take far longer in the end from 4 hr down times between declines.
Like so many things in EVE, what they say and what they mean are as far apart as stars. |
Oggat
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:10:00 -
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Julius Priscus wrote:Harry Forever wrote:honestly the NPC Faction Standing hinders you to play the game like you want to play it, it feels like a cage put on the endless possibilities the game has to offer, for me it feels like the biggest drawback
Edit: in particular the fast negative impact on the standings when you play missions or factional warfare makes it impossible to enter other faction space with your character if you want to change playstyle or do trading, grinding up endless hours of level 1 mission does not feel like the right solution here
Edit: as the character skill training is so timeconsuming I prefer just playing with my main, therefore I would prefer a better way to repair damaged faction standings
Edit: the discussion brought some good ideas, maybe a tags4faction should be added simular like the tags4sec
He had a valid debate. The fact that he put it in GD and got trolled in to the ground is just par for EVE forum. He could have put it in F&I and it still would have been trolled by the same people who GD trolled it, he just wouldn't have got as much feedback.
Will we ever see Standings4Sec? Dunno but I'm sure either way it won't really have much to do with our bickering. Knowing that less than 100 Dread Guristas Brass tags are making their way to Jita a month since they put in the new units in low sec, I don't think anyone could afford to raise their faction using tags anyway. |
Oggat
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Posted - 2013.06.16 20:12:00 -
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For what it's worth OP, I've been where you are right now.
Simply reply with copy and paste "I'd like to see tags4faction the way tags4Sec works". No matter how they twist it, spin it, troll it bait it, just spam the same one line. I'm sure it will get the thread locked but you won't feel like a dog bone being tossed around a kennel.
It's pretty easy to see who the ISD and Dev alts are here. |
Oggat
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Posted - 2013.06.17 10:48:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:The obvious solution to this is to remove missions from highsec.
And you guys could sit in low sec stations waiting for the mission runners that never come. That will be fun, I'm sure. |
Oggat
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Posted - 2013.06.18 01:35:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Oggat wrote:La Nariz wrote:The obvious solution to this is to remove missions from highsec. And you guys could sit in low sec stations waiting for the mission runners that never come. That will be fun, I'm sure. Boy howdy are you out of touch with reality. People run missions in lowsec.
And if I had a square ass I'd chit bricks. Yea, we know, that EVE .0001% variable. |
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