...i just do not want to grind level 1 missions because i did some faction warfare, thats all...

but thats the point it does not make sense to play level 1 missions for hours if you have a high trained character, people don't want that, they want a different way to fix the standings, maybe a challanging way but not boring level 1 missions for hours

the plan just shows that the faction standing mechanic has issues for a lot of players

If you're talking about a one-time thing, then you can go turn in tags. It's a one-time deal, it's what you're asking for.


If you're wanting to switch back and forth...well....no.

exactly as this game is intended to be played for years, i want to do half a year faction warfare and then do other stuff, and not have to do boring level 1 missions to repair things, if you only play one way sure then its not an issue

i want to do half a year faction warfare and then do other stuff, and not have to do boring level 1 missions to repair things

I want to do everything in the game and the game needs to adjust to my skills

Exactly. No. You cannot do that. We don't want you to be able to do that easily. If you don't want to "do boring level 1 missions to repair things', then STOP BREAKING THEM.

you don't understand that i want to play all parts of the game intensively and not just one profession, the game needs to adjust to that

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you don't understand that i want to play all parts of the game intensively

Op

if you look how the factions corespond to each other, for example, lets say you are bad rep with Gallante, then you can do Minmatar, Sisters faction missions and gain Gallante standing.

If you have poor Caldari standing, do missions for Amarr, or other factions that results in gain for Caldari.

Its a puzzle though, couse gains results in loss fromsomething else, but you dont need to grind lvl1 missions, you could do Sisters lvl4 in Caldari Space, and gain Gallante standing

OP raging about how unfair EVE is, doesn't realize that is what makes EVE....EVE!

I'm not raging, I just say that mechanic is outdated and needs to be adjusted

We understand; we're just laughing at you. EVE doesn't work like that. Your actions have consequences, and you have to live with them.

you don't understand that i want to play all parts of the game intensively and not just one profession, the game needs to adjust to that, because that is what hardcore players are looking for, if you only run one or two missions on the weekend sure you never need what i'm talking about, however my playstyle is different

tags4faction will not harm your playstyle so you should be fine with it, beeing resistant just for the sake of it does not help

The mechanic is fine. I have had to grind standings just like others on here have, and I do not hear them raging. For the record, I am in FW and my standing with Caldari has not suffered much. In fact, if I were to drop from FW I could easily go back to running missions for Caldari. The fact of the matter is that you want your "EASY" mode button, because you can't be bothered to grind the standings, and are too supid to know that you should DECLINE missions that have you fighting Faction navies.

And for the personages on here saying you don't need alts, how do you think you are going to move capital ships around with just your main?

The mechanic is fine. I have had to grind standings just like others on here have, and I do not hear them raging. For the record, I am in FW and my standing with Caldari has not suffered much. In fact, if I were to drop from FW I could easily go back to running missions for Caldari. The fact of the matter is that you want your "EASY" mode button, because you can't be bothered to grind the standings, and are too supid to know that you should DECLINE missions that have you fighting Faction navies.

And for the personages on here saying you don't need alts, how do you think you are going to move capital ships around with just your main?

I am not resistant for the sake of it.

You are asking to be able to shoot one navy for six months, then be neutral for six months, then shoot them again for six months, then be neutral again for six months...and you want these transitions to be easy.

Well I like it that if you shoot someone's navy for six months, they have a hard time trusting you again. That's the consequence of your actions. That's how it should be. Again, I hope you learn to appreciate this mechanic, because it is working as intended.

I am not resistant for the sake of it.

You are asking to be able to shoot one navy for six months, then be neutral for six months, then shoot them again for six months, then be neutral again for six months...and you want these transitions to be easy.

Well I like it that if you shoot someone's navy for six months, they have a hard time trusting you again. That's the consequence of your actions. That's how it should be. Again, I hope you learn to appreciate this mechanic, because it is working as intended.

Honest question: How is this fundamentally different than tags4sec...or are you against that too?

again, i dont want to have it easy, i just dont want to do boring level 1 missions for hours after some weeks of faction warfare, they can add the tag system to have a challanging way to fix the standings, but not the level 1 missions for hours, thats the point... all cool with your consequences mechanic

The difference is that security is supposed to be fairly easy to both lose and regain; faction standings are supposed to be slow and hard to lose and gain. One is short-term; the other is picking a side (almost for life).

That's a great normative claim and I assume that you can point me to a CCP post saying this?

Even if the (currently) controversial normative premise in your argument is accepted it does not negate the fact that someone has to do the grinding.... time/energy requirements do not change.

Argument: I was a mindless bot for a couple weeks in order to grind up from -10..... AND YOU SHOULD BE TOO!


Also: friends

Also: Hrrrrnnnnng more plz

Honest question: How is this fundamentally different than tags4sec...or are you against that too?

One is about pvp. One is about pve. One is about player interaction. One is about interaction with NPCs. How is it that they are fundamentally the same?

I can point to a long history of mechanics that show this to be the case.

Actually, if we look at tags-for-sec, they do change: it takes a fair bit more grinding for the tags than if you were just going for the sec level. If the OP got his wish, a direct translation would entail doing even more L1 missions.