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Merge 9 Caldari Provisions Caldari State 5	Posted - 2013.06.16 12:41:00 - [1] - Quote Just been suicide ganked fair enough it's part of the game, but 2 brutix and a bunch of catalysts to do it is taking the ****. It basically means it's worth ganking every freighter no matter what's in it if they fly through a 0.5 which seems very unbalanced. The only solution i can think of at the moment is to give freighters more Hit Points, i don't want them to be invulnerable to suicide ganks but they shouldn't be that cheap to kill. If anyone has a better solution that isn't a troll please add it to the thread. Cheers.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 5201	Posted - 2013.06.16 13:26:00 - [2] - Quote Got a link to the killmail? Without that it's hard to say much about this, since it sounds like a person complaining he got killed and would like CCP to make changes to the game to stop it from happening in the future. On it's own I'd say cheap ships killing more expensive ships isn't a problem in itself and certainly not when a group of them was required to succesfully pull it off.
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 274	Posted - 2013.06.16 13:43:00 - [3] - Quote I kind of sympathise to a degree, from the perspective of a casual observe it would seem increasingly like flying a freighter or JF through any of the main trade pipes is becoming something like russian roulette, not sure increasing the EHP would do much tho as there doesn't seem to be any short supply of gank catalyst alts. I think the main thing I find unbalanced about it is the fact that it can be done with an entirely disposable, low skilled, character with very little investment and thats kind of contrary to the theme of the game.
Alvatore DiMarco Capricious Endeavours Ltd 376	Posted - 2013.06.16 14:21:00 - [4] - Quote I wonder why anyone flies freighters anymore. Fozzie, please do hurry up and whip out that Industrial Ship Tiericide.
Adunh Slavy 959	Posted - 2013.06.16 15:36:00 - [5] - Quote Yep, freighters are too cheap to kill
Drake Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 226	Posted - 2013.06.16 18:33:00 - [6] - Quote As long as the mineral cost goes up too "The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--
Klymer Hedion University Amarr Empire 273	Posted - 2013.06.16 19:18:00 - [7] - Quote Merge 9 wrote: Just been suicide ganked ............ but 2 brutix and a bunch of catalysts to do it is taking the ****. Is this your km? 31 ships isn't exactly a small group. EVE is an MMO and massively multiplayer fleets are always going to have an edge due to sheer numbers. You could double the ehp of freighters and they would just bring more people.
Morrigan LeSante The Lost and Forgotten Troopers 290	Posted - 2013.06.16 19:26:00 - [8] - Quote Klymer wrote: Merge 9 wrote: Just been suicide ganked ............ but 2 brutix and a bunch of catalysts to do it is taking the ****. Is this your km? 31 ships isn't exactly a small group. EVE is an MMO and massively multiplayer fleets are always going to have an edge due to sheer numbers. You could double the ehp of freighters and they would just bring more people. They would, but if they needed more, the "buffer" zone before it was profitable would increase too, thus a deterrent. I assume, at least, that is the unspoken point.
Allandri Liandri Industrial Liandri Covenant 36	Posted - 2013.06.16 21:00:00 - [9] - Quote One low slot would do wonders, but if you refuse to fit a DCII and decide to put in a cargohold expander it is your own damn fault
Commander Ash McCloud The New Eden People's Front 4	Posted - 2013.06.16 21:09:00 - [10] - Quote Problem with a low slot is that some freighters would be able to carry a packaged carrier or dreadnought.
Allandri Liandri Industrial Liandri Covenant 37	Posted - 2013.06.16 21:53:00 - [11] - Quote Commander Ash McCloud wrote: Problem with a low slot is that some freighters would be able to carry a packaged carrier or dreadnought. But they would also still have the exact same EHP as before. They are asking to be a nice juicy killmail if they do that
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1965	Posted - 2013.06.16 22:07:00 - [12] - Quote Dear CCP I died and it isn't fair only other people are supposed to die in this game please buff me and/or nerf everyone else. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Sixx Spades GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 141	Posted - 2013.06.16 22:08:00 - [13] - Quote What a new and absolutely unique idea! Beyond that, you should also remove the collision box to avoid those pesky bumpers. Using a weapon as a deterrent in a diplomatic situation is only viable when you have proven that you have deployed it in the past and are willing to use it in the future.
Bakuhz The Nightingales of Hades Holdings The Nightingales of Hades 39	Posted - 2013.06.16 22:09:00 - [14] - Quote looking at that linked killmail ill axpect the 2 ships inside it were insanely expensive fitted and thsoe moduels showed op on the scanner and made the gankers eyes go blinky. other then that usually freighters get ganked when they haul over 4 bil. in collateral really so. http://tnoh.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=576554 We are stil looking for Manticore Pilot's can you fly one and are interested to do more with covert operations Contact me for more info
Sixx Spades GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 141	Posted - 2013.06.16 22:09:00 - [15] - Quote Also, CONCORD should kill people that lock up freighters at all. They're just too soft on those gosh darn criminals. Using a weapon as a deterrent in a diplomatic situation is only viable when you have proven that you have deployed it in the past and are willing to use it in the future.
Gaara's sniper Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation 5	Posted - 2013.06.16 22:17:00 - [16] - Quote i completely agree! When i tried to loot a yellow wreck, i got pointed by a dramiel and couldn't warp off! I can't even fight back. Adding drone bay with low slots would be nice.
Powers Sa 654	Posted - 2013.06.16 22:54:00 - [17] - Quote Each major patch nerfs freighter ganking little by little. The fact that people are still doing it is somewhat amazing despite all of the obstacles placed in their way. You should be honored that someone took time out of their day to overcome all of the barriers put in place by CCP to kill you. Vote Nullsec for CSM8 Mynnna \|\| Kesper North \|\| Kaleb Rysode \|\| Malc00nis \|\| Artctura \|\| Unforgiven Storm
Commander Ash McCloud The New Eden People's Front 12	Posted - 2013.06.17 06:08:00 - [18] - Quote Allandri wrote: Commander Ash McCloud wrote: Problem with a low slot is that some freighters would be able to carry a packaged carrier or dreadnought. But they would also still have the exact same EHP as before. They are asking to be a nice juicy killmail if they do that I'm all for juicy killmails but the biggest problem would be all the carriers and dreadnoughts getting shipped into high sec.
Maximus Andendare Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 273	Posted - 2013.06.17 16:38:00 - [19] - Quote Commander Ash McCloud wrote: Allandri wrote: Commander Ash McCloud wrote: Problem with a low slot is that some freighters would be able to carry a packaged carrier or dreadnought. But they would also still have the exact same EHP as before. They are asking to be a nice juicy killmail if they do that I'm all for juicy killmails but the biggest problem would be all the carriers and dreadnoughts getting shipped into high sec. I've seen this argument used before, but nobody has been able to articulate why this is necessarily a bad thing. Aside from the obvious risk of suicide gank for carrying a 1-2b+ ship in your hold, what does it matter that Dreads or Carriers could be shipped around? It's not like they could get used in highsec, so I really don't see the harm. And if they can get sold in some highsec market, then the issue is still flying that super expensive cargo out of the trade hub and not being ganked until you get to low/null.
De'Veldrin East India Ore Trade The East India Co. 1589	Posted - 2013.06.17 17:13:00 - [20] - Quote Maximus Andendare wrote: Commander Ash McCloud wrote: Allandri wrote: Commander Ash McCloud wrote: Problem with a low slot is that some freighters would be able to carry a packaged carrier or dreadnought. But they would also still have the exact same EHP as before. They are asking to be a nice juicy killmail if they do that I'm all for juicy killmails but the biggest problem would be all the carriers and dreadnoughts getting shipped into high sec. I've seen this argument used before, but nobody has been able to articulate why this is necessarily a bad thing. Aside from the obvious risk of suicide gank for carrying a 1-2b+ ship in your hold, what does it matter that Dreads or Carriers could be shipped around? It's not like they could get used in highsec, so I really don't see the harm. And if they can get sold in some highsec market, then the issue is still flying that super expensive cargo out of the trade hub and not being ganked until you get to low/null. The issue (not so much with dreads) but with carriers at least is that there are certain level 4 missions that don't have acceleration gates, and would thus be able to be completed with carriers. Damsel in Distress comes to mind, but I know there are others. This would make farming those missions ridiculously lucrative in terms of ISK per hour. Although I probably wouldn't mind dreads in highsec, to be honest. It's the only thing that would make grinding a POS down there bearable. Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain.
Hopelesshobo Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade 30	Posted - 2013.06.17 17:36:00 - [21] - Quote Purchase another freighter with more EHP. Omni Damage Tank Order Obelisk > Providence > Charon > Fenrir Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 14976	Posted - 2013.06.17 18:58:00 - [22] - Quote Merge 9 wrote: Just been suicide ganked fair enough it's part of the game, but 2 brutix and a bunch of catalysts to do it is taking the **. It basically means it's worth ganking every freighter no matter what's in it if they fly through a 0.5 which seems very unbalanced. The only solution i can think of at the moment is to give freighters more Hit Points, i don't want them to be invulnerable to suicide ganks but they shouldn't be that cheap to kill. If anyone has a better solution that isn't a troll please add it to the thread. Cheers. Show the KM, so we can see just how many ships. (That is if the KM already linked isn't yours.) It doesn't mean every freighter is worth ganking. Only those loot pi+¦atas and ones with plastic wrap that may be worth something, even then you're not guaranteed of a good drop. You can already increase the EHP of your ship, but this requires team work. If they can use this to kill you, sounds like it's balanced for you to use it to stop them. Also adding low slots or rig slots, would be a nerf to freighters. Destination SkillQueue:-** It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Goti fase Fase Industries New Eden Research. 12	Posted - 2013.06.17 19:17:00 - [23] - Quote Commander Ash McCloud wrote: Problem with a low slot is that some freighters would be able to carry a packaged carrier or dreadnought. Then decrease base cargo size to compensate
Gizznitt Malikite Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 2211	Posted - 2013.06.17 19:45:00 - [24] - Quote De'Veldrin wrote: Maximus Andendare wrote: Commander Ash McCloud wrote: Allandri wrote: Commander Ash McCloud wrote: Problem with a low slot is that some freighters would be able to carry a packaged carrier or dreadnought. But they would also still have the exact same EHP as before. They are asking to be a nice juicy killmail if they do that I'm all for juicy killmails but the biggest problem would be all the carriers and dreadnoughts getting shipped into high sec. I've seen this argument used before, but nobody has been able to articulate why this is necessarily a bad thing. Aside from the obvious risk of suicide gank for carrying a 1-2b+ ship in your hold, what does it matter that Dreads or Carriers could be shipped around? It's not like they could get used in highsec, so I really don't see the harm. And if they can get sold in some highsec market, then the issue is still flying that super expensive cargo out of the trade hub and not being ganked until you get to low/null. The issue (not so much with dreads) but with carriers at least is that there are certain level 4 missions that don't have acceleration gates, and would thus be able to be completed with carriers. Damsel in Distress comes to mind, but I know there are others. This would make farming those missions ridiculously lucrative in terms of ISK per hour. Although I probably wouldn't mind dreads in highsec, to be honest. It's the only thing that would make grinding a POS down there bearable. That's not the problem.... Capitals would be used in highsec PvP, and that would greatly change the scope of empire wars. Dreads can take down POS's much, much quicker than BS's, not to mention sieged dreads are immune to EWAR, like ECM, which is a major tool for highsec POS defenses. Triage Carriers are extremely potent highsec items, and can you image the tedium when a group of 30 slowcat carriers permacamp the jita undock, wardeccing everything they can? Carriers and Dreads don't have the supercapital counters found in lowsec/nullsec, which makes them very potent in highsec! edit There are several carriers/dreads in highsec now... but CCP has warned those people if they bring them out to PvP, CCP will either destroy them, or move them to lowsec. PvE is a completely legit use of those ships though!
Gizznitt Malikite Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 2211	Posted - 2013.06.17 19:52:00 - [25] - Quote Merge 9 wrote: Just been suicide ganked fair enough it's part of the game, but 2 brutix and a bunch of catalysts to do it is taking the ****. It basically means it's worth ganking every freighter no matter what's in it if they fly through a 0.5 which seems very unbalanced. The only solution i can think of at the moment is to give freighters more Hit Points, i don't want them to be invulnerable to suicide ganks but they shouldn't be that cheap to kill. If anyone has a better solution that isn't a troll please add it to the thread. Cheers. While I'm for a balancing pass on freighters (ie. give them fitting choices), there are several things a freighter should not be able to do: 1.) Get large cargo hold, large tank, and agility/speed. You should get ONE attribute with good stats, one with mediocre stats, and one pisspoor stat. 2.) You should not be able to carry more than 1m m3, no matter how you fit it. 3.) It should not be able to utilize a 100mn mwd to bypass it's poor agility (i.e. giving it a 10s warping) 4.) It should not be able to cloak.
Q 5 Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 69	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:53:00 - [26] - Quote As much as I hate ganking (I really despise it), but 31 ships is alot of FP and I would agree that a low slot for DC should be added so as pointed out the choice, tank or cargo room, sort of Primae setup this way if your carrying less freight you can tank or if you must have space cargo expanders which then leaves you to decide and plan your trip accordingly. And most importantly, red flag Goonswarm on the baddies list and if you see them in hi sec....you already know what Goonclowns are about and knowing this fly accordingly. Log out if no stations are available for safe haven. Fly with a booster alt. Fly with a scout.
Lilliana Stelles 776	Posted - 2013.06.18 00:16:00 - [27] - Quote Ugh. Here's how you fix freighters and possibly jump freighters. Halve their cargo hold. Slightly reduce their overall HP. Slightly reduce their overall speed. Give them no highs or rig slots. Give them 3-4 lows. Give them 2 or 3 mids. Or just make them into orcas without highs and more cargo space. Orcas can fit 3x the ehp of a freighter right now... Incarna from 2009. 3 Years later and what we have doesn't look half as good as this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n41s1Iox18A
Arushia Nova Labs New Eden Research. 34	Posted - 2013.06.18 02:47:00 - [28] - Quote What if instead of having huge cargoholds, freighters had a 100 m3 cargohold and a huge fleet hangar, and mids and lows (but not highs) to suit their racial design preferences? Tired of lab queues in high-sec? Check out New Eden Research
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band 555	Posted - 2013.06.18 05:44:00 - [29] - Quote I have a better idea. Reduce the base cargo for a freighter by exactly 21.568627451% but give it a single low slot and maybe 50 CPU and 1MW powergrid. This way, you have two really obvious choices: 1.) Cargohold Expander II, and have the same amount of cargo as you had before without the low slot 2.) Damage Control and have approx. double the EHP And then there are other things you can throw on as well, like an inertial stabilizer, capacitor power relay (dunno if that has any use), warp core stabilizer... Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's.
Anna Djan Banana Corp 10	Posted - 2013.06.18 10:36:00 - [30] - Quote 29 cat's and a brutix So about 450mil costs to gank the freighter with two ships worth around 800mil. There goes the 1bil philosophy. How much was the two deliveries in collateral cost?

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