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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1038
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:50:00 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:The best you can do is read both sides and deduct form yourself. The fact is that anyone who is partial, is probably not involved and by default, not going to have the good info you want.
Come on down and party with us, find out for yourself.
Sorry, I had my fill of null sec intrigue and battles when I was in FCON (ugh, I will always have that shameful mark) fighting against the russians and PL in Pure Blind, as NC quietly folded its tent.
When I had 6 PL supercaps on a lossmail for my Scimitar, I pretty much knew that the people that would consider that a "good fight" are the same people who enjoy ramming their heads into brick walls at full speed.
I am just an interested bystander in this current war. I still find the machinations of the null sec cartels important, because ultimately what happens in null sec in game and to the null sec cartel income streams profoundly affects the future direction of game mechanic changes.
Frankly, as much as I dislike the goons, I am shocked there is even a chance they would lose this war. I never expected them to initiate a war unless they had it sewn up politically before the first shot was fired. Based on that I figured they would always be the champion of static, predictable income sources (moon goo). I never figured their income streams could be taken away from them. If the goons lose this war, and lose a large percentage territory and income streams, you can bet that their CSM reps will start applying serious pressure to CCP to change the game mechanics to something that weakens the power of holding null sec territory and moons. But until goons lose significant income streams, I know that the concept of ring-mining is a canard. |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
137
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:57:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Yeah, I realize I have as much chance of this as Scarlett Johansson hiring me as her personal masseuse.
I have looked at COAD. A cesspool of propaganda, and inside jokes. I have looked at Dotlan, but that does not really give the full picture. I won't even bother with goon's Pravda site, and EN 24 seems little better. Same with Kugu and Failheap, which seems like monkey's throwing excrement at each other.
But does anyone have what they consider an up-to-date, impartial source of info on what is going on? I have some friends in null giving me info, but that too will have some inherent bias.
It's been said before . . . but why are you so interested?
Sov Warfare in EVE online is kinda like a mix of an African Civil War and an Episode of the Jersey Shore. 80% of the population is not affected by it and obviously doesn't care, 15% of the population pay attention because they wanna see a train wreck, and 5% of the population are actually involved. You're not in the 5%, and clearly not in the 80%, so if you want to see a train wreck, just watch the biased coverage, because it'll make things more interesting than they already are.
This Sov War amounts to a bunch of unemployed/underemployed neckbeards dueling a bunch of other unemployed/underemployed neckbeards over something only those two camps of unemployed/underemployed neckbeards even care about. I'm sure they've all convinced themselves that what they're doing is fun (F1 alarm clock ops over pixels are not my cup of tea, but everyone has their own set of priorities in life), but it doesn't exactly qualify as much of a spectator sport.
So first, answer the question (to yourself) "why do I care?" Humans have a general desire to learn, to flesh out areas of knowledge, but believe me, you'd benefit more in the long run by learning all you can about the personal histories of the cast of the Jersey Shore than Null Wars.
Because if you're planning on joining a null corp/alliance, they'll tell you what you need to know anyways; if you're planning on joining the Game of Neckbeard Thrones yourself, you'll want to develop your own "intelligence" rather than rely on a website.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5577
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:57:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:If the goons lose this war, and lose a large percentage territory and income streams, you can bet that their CSM reps will start applying serious pressure to CCP to change the game mechanics to something that weakens the power of holding null sec territory and moons. You mean like they've been doing for years? -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |
BORRIS DEMONTFORD
THE OFFENDERS
12
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:59:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Incidentally, I see that no one has thanked the CFC for providing this massive boost to the mining community
In that case, thank you. |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
306
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:01:00 -
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You can watch the progress of the war yourself on mad ani's twitch feed. He usually has good intel and video feed on live battles in progress, and you can follow-up by looking on eve-kill and dotlan and seeing what sov changes occured and what was lost inb those systems and make your own judgements. |
Leigh Akiga
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:07:00 -
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Onictus wrote:You aren't going to get an impartial view of nullsec through any website. Everyone out here has been shooting each other for years.
If you want to dig though all of the battle reports and sift through dotlan you can get a pretty good idea on your own though.
This is about as impartial as you're gonna get:
http://i.imgur.com/gbsspGl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Nquw87t.jpg |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10175
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:30:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:If the goons lose this war, and lose a large percentage territory and income streams, you can bet that their CSM reps will start applying serious pressure to CCP to change the game mechanics to something that weakens the power of holding null sec territory and moons. You mean like they've been doing for years?
Yeah but before they were advocating it ironically.
~hipster~
1 Kings 12:11
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Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
423
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:43:00 -
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2 to big to fail mega alliances taking turns assaulting each other... In a perpetual battle that will end when the Mortonna quits eve. An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2194
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Posted - 2013.06.17 19:09:00 -
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This is all you need to know about the war (thanks to my bro in TEST for giving me this):
http://i.imgur.com/GdBi8Z6.gif |
BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
239
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Posted - 2013.06.17 19:28:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:If the goons lose this war, and lose a large percentage territory and income streams, you can bet that their CSM reps will start applying serious pressure to CCP to change the game mechanics to something that weakens the power of holding null sec territory and moons. You mean like they've been doing for years?
Right - they are soo good at making CCP do what they want that the latest expansion removed their revenue moongoo stream and put it somewhere else. Yep, definitely controlling things. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
941
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Posted - 2013.06.17 19:33:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Go join a corp in WH space and have some real fun with some real risk and make some real ISK.
what This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4276
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Posted - 2013.06.17 19:34:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:If the goons lose this war, and lose a large percentage territory and income streams, you can bet that their CSM reps will start applying serious pressure to CCP to change the game mechanics to something that weakens the power of holding null sec territory and moons. You mean like they've been doing for years? Yeah but before they were advocating it ironically.~hipster~ Of course, the whole system should be weighted so that the more territory you hold the more lucurative it can become (if developed), but at the same time become much, much more difficult to keep. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2895
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Posted - 2013.06.17 19:42:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Malcanis wrote:From the outside, it looked like there was a pretty high boatviolence:struktura op ratio as sov wars go, but I guess the rate was, as I said, unsustainable. As any spy knows, CFC stealth bombers have been spotted shooting TEST SBUs and goodness knows what. Boat wasn't FCing those though. Or he might be, he was prevented from broadcasting this weekend. Incoming leak: (2:41:29 AM) directorbot: BOMBERS TACKLED ON UNDOCK IN B-D - FREE KILLS <3 - Op1 on mumble with something to kill bombers *** This was a broadcast from dabigredboat to all-all at 2013-06-17 06:41:43.380570 EVE, replies are not monitored *** (It was monday by then) Malcanis wrote:Incidentally, I see that no one has thanked the CFC for providing this massive boost to the mining community Because the mining community hasn't forgotten Hulkageddon. Never forgive, never forget. The wrecks of exhumers, Revenge. Also, reference in sig spotted. It matches a move from fighting to sovgrind strategies.
As a citizen in a country that has waged war against it's own industry, I can tell you now that you will be sorry. If the miners decided to strike back in the best way they could, NOT by padding someone elses killboards and trying to PVP, but by simply not mining for a while, they could do some considerable damage.
Even better they could just sit on the ore and see how much the nullsec alliances are willing to pay. |
Incindir Mauser
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
224
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Posted - 2013.06.17 19:46:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
As a citizen in a country that has waged war against it's own industry, I can tell you now that you will be sorry. If the miners decided to strike back in the best way they could, NOT by padding someone elses killboards and trying to PVP, but by simply not mining for a while, they could do some considerable damage.
Even better they could just sit on the ore and see how much the nullsec alliances are willing to pay.
Of course they can mine their own by having their own miners.... oh wait.
Hisec miners couldn't organize themselves out of a wet paper sack.
Much less form an ore cartel. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8261
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:42:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:As a citizen in a country that has waged war against it's own industry, I can tell you now that you will be sorry. If the miners decided to strike back in the best way they could, NOT by padding someone elses killboards and trying to PVP, but by simply not mining for a while, they could do some considerable damage.
Even better they could just sit on the ore and see how much the nullsec alliances are willing to pay.
Sounds like a job for James 315! Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
S D Plissken
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:57:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Here is my impartial view for ya.
Who ******* cares? It's Nullsec.
This and so much this!
Worst thing that could happen to this amalgamated circlej**k is to simply ignore them. Deny them everything! New players, numbers and attention.
Let them rot in their excrements and watch from a distance with a smile on your face.
Only a dead Rat is a good rat.
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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
141
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:12:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
As a citizen in a country that has waged war against it's own industry, I can tell you now that you will be sorry. If the miners decided to strike back in the best way they could, NOT by padding someone elses killboards and trying to PVP, but by simply not mining for a while, they could do some considerable damage.
I too, punish my enemies by taking a considerable loss to my own bottom line.
On a related not, has anyone seen my prosthetic nose? |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
338
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:40:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Personally I hope that this gives us the new Great War that we've needed for years, but there's no way the current momentum can be maintained by either side - the subcap losses of both coalitions are staggering, and can't be sustained at that level. But neither side has had a decisive loss yet.
Frankly, I think this is already the next Great War, it's just that we're in the opening phases as of yet. Mark my words, this war will still be going on a year from now. |
Capt Tenguru10
Nintendo Power Against ALL Authorities
953
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Posted - 2013.06.17 22:07:00 -
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this is so good to see, that goons have overstepped and will prob cost them everything in the end. i also here we are moving to deklien as a new home. so thanks goons for screwing yourself so badly that the whole of eve is coming to remove you from the game. http://i.imgur.com/EYX5Zi7.gif |
Capt Tenguru10
Nintendo Power Against ALL Authorities
953
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Posted - 2013.06.17 22:09:00 -
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Caitlyn Tufy wrote:Malcanis wrote:Personally I hope that this gives us the new Great War that we've needed for years, but there's no way the current momentum can be maintained by either side - the subcap losses of both coalitions are staggering, and can't be sustained at that level. But neither side has had a decisive loss yet. Frankly, I think this is already the next Great War, it's just that we're in the opening phases as of yet. Mark my words, this war will still be going on a year from now.
years doubtful. maybe 6-9 months, goons dont like to lose and when they get curb stompped like we all know is about to happen to them. most of the nerd faucet will dry up on thier end. and they will move on. prob to pirate puzzle or something. http://i.imgur.com/EYX5Zi7.gif |
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Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
373
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Posted - 2013.06.17 22:22:00 -
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Capt Tenguru10 wrote:this is so good to see, that goons have overstepped and will prob cost them everything in the end. i also here we are moving to deklien as a new home. so thanks goons for screwing yourself so badly that the whole of eve is coming to remove you from the game.
Worst post of the week, posted on a Monday. Mark the time. |
Black Dranzer
276
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Posted - 2013.06.17 22:41:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:If the goons lose this war, and lose a large percentage territory and income streams, you can bet that their CSM reps will start applying serious pressure to CCP to change the game mechanics to something that weakens the power of holding null sec territory and moons. My knowledge nullsec is pretty ******* pissy, but I was under the impression that back in the day Mittens was pushing for moon mineral nerfs in spite of goons holding them? Walking in Stations as a Social Hub: Business vs Pleasure in Incarna |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
83
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Posted - 2013.06.18 00:16:00 -
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Capt Tenguru10 wrote:this is so good to see, that goons have overstepped and will prob cost them everything in the end. i also here we are moving to deklien as a new home. so thanks goons for screwing yourself so badly that the whole of eve is coming to remove you from the game. "we"? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5579
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Posted - 2013.06.18 00:18:00 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:If the goons lose this war, and lose a large percentage territory and income streams, you can bet that their CSM reps will start applying serious pressure to CCP to change the game mechanics to something that weakens the power of holding null sec territory and moons. You mean like they've been doing for years? Right - they are soo good at making CCP do what they want that the latest expansion removed their revenue moongoo stream and put it somewhere else. Yep, definitely controlling things. Clearly CCP has switched allegiances. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |
Ryuu Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2013.06.18 00:38:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Yeah, I realize I have as much chance of this as Scarlett Johansson hiring me as her personal masseuse.
I have looked at COAD. A cesspool of propaganda, and inside jokes. I have looked at Dotlan, but that does not really give the full picture. I won't even bother with goon's Pravda site, and EN 24 seems little better. Same with Kugu and Failheap, which seems like monkey's throwing excrement at each other.
But does anyone have what they consider an up-to-date, impartial source of info on what is going on? I have some friends in null giving me info, but that too will have some inherent bias.
Impartial? Here you go.
and here.
Ganking miners has gone too far. Ganking is wrong, and bad. There should be a new, stronger word for Ganking like badwrong or badong. Yes, Ganking is badong. From this moment, I will stand for the opposite of Ganking, gnodab. - Said no-one, ever. |
Valince Olacar
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
0
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Posted - 2013.06.18 01:05:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Frankly, as much as I dislike the goons, I am shocked there is even a chance they would lose this war. I never expected them to initiate a war unless they had it sewn up politically before the first shot was fired.
RIP Vile Rat |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3705
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:32:00 -
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Capt Tenguru10 wrote:Caitlyn Tufy wrote:Malcanis wrote:Personally I hope that this gives us the new Great War that we've needed for years, but there's no way the current momentum can be maintained by either side - the subcap losses of both coalitions are staggering, and can't be sustained at that level. But neither side has had a decisive loss yet. Frankly, I think this is already the next Great War, it's just that we're in the opening phases as of yet. Mark my words, this war will still be going on a year from now. years doubtful. maybe 6-9 months, goons dont like to lose and when they get curb stompped like we all know is about to happen to them. most of the nerd faucet will dry up on thier end. and they will move on. prob to pirate puzzle or something. You don't talk back to :CONDI: I am a nullsec zealot. |
Raithe Mindari
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
43
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Posted - 2013.06.18 03:09:00 -
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A large entity (CFC) seeks to gain some of the assets of a another large entity (TEST) by way of invasion.
It's really that simple, and has been a lot of fun for all involved. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
344
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Posted - 2013.06.18 04:31:00 -
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I'm glad TEST and Goons are having fun sploding things. Content generation is the best.
Whoever gets evicted, ya'll are welcome to come crash on our highsec couch for awhile till you get a new home. Just blow up some miners and clean up CONCORD when yer done, kay? Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
27
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Posted - 2013.06.18 04:39:00 -
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I really believe that CFC actually has the upper hand on this, mainly due to the fact that a big chunk of the opposition is mainly interested in having fun. SOV grinding is one of the most soul-crushing eve mechanics, and the CFC are in this for the long run. The current level of sub-cap fights and ops is unsustainable, and so is the attention span of some of the alliances involved in the fight.
Thus, I think that the much more coherent, monolithic, organized and space-rich CFC will outlast the looser clusterf@ck of separate entities in the game of attrition and TEST will be left in the end alone in this again. |
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