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Alyaria
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Posted - 2005.11.19 05:57:00 -
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Are there any warp scrambling frigs in any of the level 4 missions? I used to do lvl 4's about 6 months ago - just before they got changed. Since then I've been down in 0.0 doing 7/10 and 8/10 complex's without too many problems. But i had to come back up to empire and am kind of stuck here for the time being - so I figured I'd try out some level 4 missions.
How is the Apoc for doing Caldari Navy missions? Any suggested setups?
Thnx
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Forresto
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Posted - 2005.11.19 06:25:00 -
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yes lots of warp scramblers.. bring a wcs with you to start till u get used to the missions and know what to kill first, then you can ditch it later on.
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Alyaria
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Posted - 2005.11.19 06:47:00 -
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Will just 1 WCS protect against multiple warp scrambling frigs (unlike pvp)?
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.11.19 07:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Alyaria
Will just 1 WCS protect against multiple warp scrambling frigs (unlike pvp)?
No.
My advice is dont gimp your setup.
The best defense is to fit more anti frig weapons. Learn which missions scramble and then fit aacording to your comfort level next time.
To start with, insta scramble happens on the damsel in distress mission. Good anti frig is a must there.
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Quentin Decker
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Posted - 2005.11.19 11:28:00 -
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I'd agree that the warp core stabilizer isn't a wise idea, even if you're in the experimental stages of level IVs. It's a waste of one or two very valuable slots.
As for my anti-scrambler method... drones are your friend.
-JP
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Blood Ghost
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Posted - 2005.11.19 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Alyaria
Will just 1 WCS protect against multiple warp scrambling frigs (unlike pvp)?
Yes one is enough for all NPC (there was a good peice on it on eve-I a while back). As for gimping your setup, 1 low-slot for beign able to warp out and save your ship is a fair price.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.11.19 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Blood Ghost
Originally by: Alyaria
Will just 1 WCS protect against multiple warp scrambling frigs (unlike pvp)?
Yes one is enough for all NPC (there was a good peice on it on eve-I a while back). As for gimping your setup, 1 low-slot for beign able to warp out and save your ship is a fair price.
One wcs will NOT save your ship if more than one npc scrambles it.
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Blood Ghost
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Posted - 2005.11.19 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Blood Ghost
Originally by: Alyaria
Will just 1 WCS protect against multiple warp scrambling frigs (unlike pvp)?
Yes one is enough for all NPC (there was a good peice on it on eve-I a while back). As for gimping your setup, 1 low-slot for beign able to warp out and save your ship is a fair price.
One wcs will NOT save your ship if more than one npc scrambles it.
There was a load of posts on how even if mutiple NPC scamble you it's still only 1 scamble strength. 1 WBS is enough.
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Honking Walrus
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Posted - 2005.11.22 10:29:00 -
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One 1 npc scrambles you at one time, I only put on on on EM damage missions, as they tende to get neraer breaking my tank. Drones are your friend, however somtime heavy drones are to slow to hurt frigs if they angle is wrong. I lost a Raven cause of it :(
If you notice they are not hitting, call them back to you and re attack and your on for a winner
I hope this helps
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BurnHard
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Posted - 2005.11.22 13:46:00 -
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Can we have some consensus on whether or not 1 WCS is enough? Please? 
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Turin
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Posted - 2005.11.22 18:37:00 -
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1 WCS SHOULD, i repeat SHOULD be enough. Generally its only one that is getting you. It IS possible that you might get a second one one you and 1 WCS isnt enough. But if you cant take out 1 Intie / frig before you loose whatever ship your in, you prolly should not have been doing those missions anyways.
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Picman
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Posted - 2005.11.22 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: BurnHard
Can we have some consensus on whether or not 1 WCS is enough? Please?
Even in the L3 mission 'Spy Stash' I've been webbed AND scrambled by two Nihilists instantly when I warped in. I knew they could do that sometimes and I had opened my log to check it. And both of them did scramble me of course. Not a problem indeed as I didn't want to jump out as others don't aggro there.
It does not happen very often, sometimes there even aren't any scrambling frigs. But be sure they will do sometimes.
Few days ago those pesky two Spider II drones in the L4 Duo of Death scrambled me instantly when a buddy warped out. Strange enough they did not even try to scramble him. So I know by own experience that
one WCS is NOT enough in some situations. Go fit your ship to kill them, not to escape.
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Gary Goat
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Posted - 2005.11.22 22:47:00 -
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Has anybody actually tried to warp out when being scrambled by more then 1 mission frig with 1 wcs on? I was under the impession that multiple frigs could scramble you but there scramblers wont stack so only 1 would effect you at a time.
So if this is correct then 1 wcs will be enough even if there are multiple frigs scrambling you
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Brannor McThife
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Posted - 2005.11.23 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: Picman
Few days ago those pesky two Spider II drones in the L4 Duo of Death scrambled me instantly when a buddy warped out. Strange enough they did not even try to scramble him. So I know by own experience that
one WCS is NOT enough in some situations. Go fit your ship to kill them, not to escape.
AFAIK, spider drones (I or II) do not warp scramble at all. They webify, and that's all I've noticed. Done 2 Duo of Deaths in the last week, warped out multiple times while fully (5m/s) webbified.
I would be willing to test this on a frigate...and see if it works...problem is, you might not last long enough to test it. :P
I am also very interested in the stacking theory of this.
-G
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Shorin
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Posted - 2005.11.23 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Gary Goat
Has anybody actually tried to warp out when being scrambled by more then 1 mission frig with 1 wcs on? I was under the impession that multiple frigs could scramble you but there scramblers wont stack so only 1 would effect you at a time.
So if this is correct then 1 wcs will be enough even if there are multiple frigs scrambling you
I lost a megathron in the bonus section of the level 4 Guristas Extravaganza with 2 warp core stabilizers on it (and yes, I was trying to get away, lol). It was quite some time ago, long before the missile nerfs. I also have a witness.
WCS for NPC missions...
1. Gimp you.
2. Give you an inflated sense of invulnerability.
Neither of which is a good thing!
For what it is worth, I now fly a Raven spewing cruise missiles from a distance which is safest yet. As soon as those little buggers turn on their mwd to close the distance they pop. The low slots are packed with named ballistic control units.
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Shorin
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Posted - 2005.11.23 12:01:00 -
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I'd also like to add my famous last words (to show just how inflated the invulnerability might feel). It went something like this...
"Don't worry about those frigates on me. Let's just take out the big ships and maybe we won't have to warp out. It's a long trip back."
The dialogue then changed to something like...
"I'm being warp scrambled. Not good!"
Like I say, it was a long time ago. Lesson learned, lol.
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Lord Drachenfels
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Posted - 2005.11.23 12:15:00 -
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I have never been warp scrampled on a NPC mission since I started to play after my summer break  I play lvl 4 for Caldary Navy in a Raven and are usually webified but i can take ages to align for warp when webified.. So align for your safe spot and be precise about it!  But eventually it warps no matter the 5-6 frigs webbing.. |
Hoshi
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Posted - 2005.11.23 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Brannor McThife
AFAIK, spider drones (I or II) do not warp scramble at all. They webify, and that's all I've noticed. Done 2 Duo of Deaths in the last week, warped out multiple times while fully (5m/s) webbified.
I would be willing to test this on a frigate...and see if it works...problem is, you might not last long enough to test it. :P
I am also very interested in the stacking theory of this.
-G
I can also tesify that at least in duo of death level 4 spider drones scramble. Lost a ship due to that...
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Brannor McThife
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Posted - 2005.11.23 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: Brannor McThife
AFAIK, spider drones (I or II) do not warp scramble at all. They webify, and that's all I've noticed. Done 2 Duo of Deaths in the last week, warped out multiple times while fully (5m/s) webbified.
I would be willing to test this on a frigate...and see if it works...problem is, you might not last long enough to test it. :P
I am also very interested in the stacking theory of this.
-G
I can also tesify that at least in duo of death level 4 spider drones scramble. Lost a ship due to that...
Well, then I have been lucky on three occasions... *shudders*
I'll go in with assault launchers first next time...
I think this will be my approach. Take a friend in a hauler to the system of the mission, carrying my siege/cruise launchers and various ammo/mods, set an instant to a station, and proceed to kill anything that webs/scrams with assault launchers/webifier first, then warp out and refit. Safest bet.
-G
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Shorin
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Posted - 2005.11.23 12:55:00 -
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Straight from my combat logs (level 4 missions based in Caldari space):
Arch Gistii Hunter has started trying to warp scramble you.
Arch Gistii Impaler has started trying to warp scramble you.
Arch Gistii Raider has started trying to warp scramble you.
Garin Kezmonu has started trying to warp scramble you.
Marauder Drone has started trying to warp scramble you.
Mercenary Wingman has started trying to warp scramble you.
Pithi Assassin has started trying to warp scramble you.
Pithi Death Dealer has started trying to warp scramble you.
Pithi Eliminator has started trying to warp scramble you.
Pithi Nihilist has started trying to warp scramble you.
Spider Drone II has started trying to warp scramble you.
This is not a complete list more than likely.
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Hoshi
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Posted - 2005.11.23 16:20:00 -
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To add to it:
Ripper Drone has started trying to warp scramble you.
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Quentin Decker
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Posted - 2005.11.23 22:23:00 -
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To add to my previous thoughts, one or two WCSs may be the very reason you need to warp out in the first place. I don't think the key to being a successful mission runner is playing the missions defensively. Fit your ship in such a way that it puts YOU in charge.
If you have to use WCSs for missions, I really don't think you should be doing level IV missions in the first place (and I don't mean that harshly at all). In my own experience, level IIIs taught me to stop treating the rats like they're gonna own me and instead create ways to use them to your advantage. Do missions aggressively and quickly. If particular rats are giving you problems - such as the scrambler drones that are being discussed - come up with ways to blow them up quickly instead of running away quickly. 
-JP
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Stinger169
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Posted - 2005.11.24 09:52:00 -
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Yes, more than one frig can scramble you at one time. I had a ferox with two stabalizers on it and I got creamed.
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