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He is unable or unwilling to break the minigame and rants now. Might have something to do with fake boobs.

It's a Mini Game. This is EVE now World of Warcraft. We don't use face roll mechanics here to get epic gear. We actually work towards our Epic L33T ships and Toys in them.
You want hand outs go back to Warcraft. If not Welcome to EVE it's a game of Patience, and Chess combined.

I think the silicone in your **** is leeching into your brain there my friend.

You better transfer all your assets to me before your mind goes completely.

Is this how you do it? Using random code to please the gamer population. Why not make it so that your ship has 5% to blow up if you overload your modules. Come on, this random array programming stuff can use some changs here and there.

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/4053/nx0p.jpg

Oh and don't get me started on those restorative nodes. Da hell.. I get 5 of them in a row... what's wrong with you.



Darnit you random coding!!!

CCP Soundwave decided that simply cycling your hacker module and letting your character's skills take care of the hacking was too passive, so now you have a more interactive and entertaining hacking system.

You can tell it's entertaining: people are posting about it! The more you post on the forums about it, the happier CCP Soundwave gets. Right now he's probably giddy with glee over all the entertainment the players are getting out of the hacking minigame.

Of course CCP Soundwave can't distinguish between entertainment and torture. He probably thinks they're the same thing.

CCP Soundwave decided that simply cycling your hacker module and letting your character's skills take care of the hacking was too passive, so now you have a more interactive and entertaining hacking system.

You can tell it's entertaining: people are posting about it! The more you post on the forums about it, the happier CCP Soundwave gets. Right now he's probably giddy with glee over all the entertainment the players are getting out of the hacking minigame.

Of course CCP Soundwave can't distinguish between entertainment and torture. He probably thinks they're the same thing.

They aren't?

flippin ell falcon i clicked on the image and nearly got smacked in the face by them woooaaa there

Of course CCP Soundwave can't distinguish between entertainment and torture. He probably thinks they're the same thing.

The problem I am having is some node maps are just impossible to do, no matter how you play.

I have higher chances killing a Titan in my Rifter then clearing a node map with 5 restorative nodes.

Surprised CCP Soundwave has not installed a mini game for research agents to create data cores...

"Solve this Soduku puzzle within the next three minutes and I will give you a shiny new core!"

No, not impossible, but it is intentional that you *will* occasionally lose a can here or there.

No, not impossible, but it is intentional that you *will* occasionally lose a can here or there.

Then how do you do it? You explore the nodes, you'll find a Restorative Node. You can either ignore and hope to find a buff item and then remove it, or remove it at first sight.

Then you continue exploring the nodes and find another Restorative Node, fine, you kill it and are now stuck with low health. You continue in hoping to find some buffs/heals but damn, you just find another Restorative Node while exploring.

You're confusing your impossible *path* through the map with the map itself being literally impossible.

And, again: You're SUPPOSED to lose sometimes. I have not popped more than 5% of the top tier cans I've found. This seems pretty reasonable to me.

You just proved my own point thanks.

"You're SUPPOSED to lose sometimes" = "impossible *path* through the map with the map itself being literally impossible"

Also, just looking at the map you posted in your OP, that was quite obviously not a mathematically impossible map at the outset.

It just turned out that you took a lot of wrong turns.

Welcome to Rogue-likes.

It's a Mini Game. This is EVE now World of Warcraft. We don't use face roll mechanics here to get epic gear. We actually work towards our Epic L33T ships and Toys in them.
You want hand outs go back to Warcraft. If not Welcome to EVE it's a game of Patience, and Chess combined.

Is this how you do it? Using random code to please the gamer population. Why not make it so that your ship has 5% to blow up if you overload your modules. Come on, this random array programming stuff can use some changs here and there.

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/4053/nx0p.jpg

Oh and don't get me started on those restorative nodes. Da hell.. I get 5 of them in a row... what's wrong with you.



Darnit you random coding!!!

You're using a T1 relic analyzer.

it's just the random coding in some maps

"I failed to win a game. This is obviously someone else's fault!"

It seems to me that the current system does basically mean you are guaranteed to fail some cans sometimes. Better skills help, but it is still pretty random what comes up. Obviously, there's a click pattern you can use to help your odds, a basic strategy that will help, but you'll still fail sometimes - bad luck.

Indeed, the loot spew seems to be a second indicator that the designer's intention is that you fail sometimes. You aren't supposed to win all cans or catch all loots.

That's a culture shock compared to the last system. In the last one, you would always eventually open the can. And always get all the loot in it. Now, you are not guaranteed of either one.

It seems to me that the current system does basically mean you are guaranteed to fail some cans sometimes. Better skills help, but it is still pretty random what comes up. Obviously, there's a click pattern you can use to help your odds, a basic strategy that will help, but you'll still fail sometimes - bad luck.

Indeed, the loot spew seems to be a second indicator that the designer's intention is that you fail sometimes. You aren't supposed to win all cans or catch all loots.

That's a culture shock compared to the last system. In the last one, you would always eventually open the can. And always get all the loot in it. Now, you are not guaranteed of either one.

Also, based on your screen shot, you don't have 5 Restoration Nodes, you have 5 Virus Suppressors.

You also have 3 waiting Data Caches with possible Utilities.

You haven't lost yet, you've only conceded defeat.

How to solve that one?

Here's the basic hacking game strategy. Following this will get you as far as you possibly can get most of the time.

Before each click, go through the steps below in order;

1) If you have a Kernel Rot utility and see a defense subsystem with coherence over your strength obstructing other nodes, use it on that node.
2) If you see a defensive subsystem you can destroy in one click, click it.
3) If you have Self Repair, click it.
4) If a System Core is visible, click it. Use a Polymorphic Shield if you have one first.
5) If a Restoration Node is visible, click it.
6) If a utility is available and you have room, pick it up.
7) If a Virus Suppressor is visible, click it. Use a Polymorphic Shield if you have one first.
8) Click the unexplored node with the largest number of inaccessible nodes adjacent to it.
9) If a Data Cache is visible, click it.
10) If a Defense Subsystem is visible, click it. Use a Polymorphic Shield if you have one first.
11) If an Anti-Virus is visible, click it. Use a Polymorphic Shield if you have one first.

According to this strategy, you're at step 7 - click a Virus Suppressor. But, you shouldn't be in this state according to the strategy... you should have killed the first Virus Suppressor you uncovered, not have this many showing.

Remember, I'm not guaranteeing you will win all cans with this script, only that you'll do as good as you can do.

But, you shouldn't be in this state according to the strategy... you should have killed the first Virus Suppressor you uncovered, not have this many showing.

He is unable or unwilling to break the minigame and rants now. Might have something to do with fake boobs.

Making some node maps impossible to break.

are there any videos of how to do this properly?

Before each click, go through the steps below in order;

1) If you have a Kernel Rot utility and see a defense subsystem with coherence over your strength obstructing other nodes, use it on that node.
2) If you have Self Repair, click it.
3) If you see a defensive subsystem you can destroy in one click, click it.
4) If a System Core is visible, click it. Use a Polymorphic Shield if you have one first.
5) If a Restoration Node is visible, click it.
6) If a utility is available and you have room, pick it up.
7) If a Virus Suppressor is visible, click it. Use a Polymorphic Shield if you have one first.
8) Click the unexplored node with the largest number of inaccessible nodes adjacent to it.
9) If a Data Cache is visible, click it.
10) If a Firewall is visible, click it. Use a Polymorphic Shield if you have one first.
11) If an Anti-Virus is visible, click it. Use a Polymorphic Shield if you have one first.

Basicly, if you release a sudoku puzzle magazines, we expect we can solve all the puzzles in it. Even the hardcore ones.
If you put 10% of sudoku puzzles to be impossible to solve, then it just kills the fun.

The main problem with the entire thing is actually that you can cargo scan the site before attempting.
if nothing good you move on. And that means the sites don't re-spawn properly and crap for 72 hours.

OP's outfit is wrong for a sex slave.

OP's outfit is wrong for a sex slave.

CCP Soundwave decided that simply cycling your hacker module and letting your character's skills take care of the hacking was too passive

I agree.

Here's some things I've realized since the hacking mini-game hit;

1) Good skills and modules add up;

Exploration frigate: +5 Strength
Cov Ops frigate: +10 Strength

Data Analyzer I: Strength: 20, Coherence: 40
Data Analyzer II: Strength: 30, Coherence: 60

Small Memetic Algorithm Bank I: +10 Coherence
Small Memetic Algorithm Bank II: +20 Coherence

Find anything you can to raise your chances. No more grav rigs! It wasn't important to have Hacking V and Archaeology V before Odyssey. Now, it is. You need them for T2 analyzers, which are way more effective.

2) The worst nodes are Restoration and Virus Suppressor. Kill Restoration nodes as soon as they pop; they have low strength, so hopefully it won't hurt too bad. Virus Suppressor is basically a game over; kill immediately, but you'll likely have little chance of finishing if you have to face more than 1 - tools are essential here.

The image shown in the original is a null sec game... those are supposed to be the hardest. So, you'll need the best things to do them.

Yes, sorry, but the clothes in eve is **** poor. I am like the 24000th female with a red shirt.

The main problem with the entire thing is actually that you can cargo scan the site before attempting.
if nothing good you move on. And that means the sites don't re-spawn properly and crap for 72 hours.


needs fixing so you can't cargo scan the sites. asap
theres just 2-3 people running round in nullified t3 just picking and choosing with no risk ruining the "exploration".

HURRY GRAB YOUR LOOT!! What is this ??

It's a slot machine.

It's funny how people don't understand what the loot spew is or why it was done. Virtually everything about the exploration re-vamp was intended to make exploration like going to a casino.

It's all about luck and payoffs. You look for a system with signatures - find system? Lucky! You scan down the signature - right kind? Lucky! You play the little game to break the core - core broken? Lucky! Loot comes shooting out of the slot - grabbed the right thing? Lucky!

This is intended to appeal to a certain type of player experience. If you don't like it, you should probably try some other game experience in EVE. This one is modeled on slot machines at a casino. If you wouldn't play slots, you probably shouldn't play this.

If you successfully hack a can, you should be rewarded with it's contents...

The game should reward intelligence, planning, and experience, not dumb luck.

The game is not one monolithic thing. The game, as a whole, to be successful must appeal to many different people.

The exploration re-vamp is intended to make the game appeal to a different player interest. It may not be for you anymore. It went from being a sure thing to being a gamble. That's not a mistake. It's an attempt to diversify.

Let's invest in slot machines by pouring money into them and hoping we make it back!

Actually, that's exactly what casinos do.

In fact, there's a lot to be said for the rush of finding something and winning it with a little luck. That often keeps people coming back for more. It's exciting never knowing what's going to be in the next system, signature, game, or can.



To be fair, it's more like Blackjack than a slot machine. Only the loot spew is really like a slot machine. In Blackjack, you do benefit from some skill, like counting cards or knowing the odds. Skill matters in exploration too. But you win or you lose in Blackjack by what cards you get and the dealer gets... luck. Mitigated by skill, but still luck.

We're on the same wavelength, I just think the loot spew takes the gambling a step too far. You're already lucky if you've found an untapped site, and you're doubly lucky if the can isn't full of restorative nodes. Having to hastily grab at a bunch of cans that arbitrarily disappear within seconds adds nothing to the gameplay, just another element of chance to dissuade people from enjoying these new hacking mechanics.

Also: your boobs!

I keep hearing you are supposed to be more people now, when doing exploration, so you get a chance to grab all the cans.

This one is modeled on slot machines at a casino. If you wouldn't play slots, you probably shouldn't play this.

I keep hearing you are supposed to be more people now, when doing exploration, so you get a chance to grab all the cans.

All good, except only 1 guy gets to have "fun" while playing the minigame. The other(s) in the fleet can just sit there and wait until the hack is done.

Thats the actual poor gamedesign right there if you ask me.

It's actually a clever designed tactic, Most people would buy and get another account to help with looting.

Except they'd have to be operating both accounts simultaneously. Not something that you can get around with alt-tab.

Unless they had two adjacent computers and had a mouse in each hand or something.

Most people would buy and get another account to help with looting.

okay but before that it was a treasure chest waiting to be discovered, opened (with enough skill), and looted.

I try to keep up with the dev blogs and haven't read any references to making exploration into space Vegas.

When wasn't it about luck and payoffs?

You are not lucky when you "find a system" because almost every system seems to have something.

If the spew were fun I wouldn't have an issue, but it's not. It's lame.

Just tried it today and I loved it.