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Cicolluis Maponos
Corpus Venutii
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Posted - 2013.06.20 09:22:00 -
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Since I'm running a pretty old rig here (Acer Aspire 8730G) that appears to be just borderline able to keep up with the new minimum specs: will there (as was provided back with the SM3 changes) be another little tool available SoonGäó-ish that helps determining whether I should start scraping the loose change from boardwalks ASAP? I'd hate to wake up some and be unable to do stuff because I played Risk and lost....
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BadBoy Explorer's wrote:hi there just wondering would this new system requirements work fine with my below system spec Intel-« Xeon-« Quad Core E3-1280V2 (3.6 GHz, 5.00 GT/s) cpu ASUS-« P8Z77 WS - ATX, USB 3.0, SATA 6 GB/s motherboard 32GB KINGSTON DUAL-DDR3 (4 x 8GB KIT) memory 6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX TITAN - 2 DVI, HDMI, DP graphices card Genuine Windows 8 Professional 64 Bit oh and dev when are you gonna start working on the walking around stations
Showoff -_-" |
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
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Posted - 2013.06.20 09:22:00 -
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Rees Noturana wrote:I don't study video cards, especially since I'm currently still using a Mac Pro for my EVE machine and have very limited options for changing it. I wish there was some sort of way of specifying cards other than by product names.
I are confused.
Do NOT buy Apple. Ripped off every time. Why would you want to pay double for old hardware? Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2013.06.20 10:11:00 -
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Quote:As for the gas clouds, please keep it up, many people here would love to remove them! Less features, unfortunately, result in faster games...
so, what exactly are you waiting for ? just do it We are recruiting german-speaking PVP players, contact me :)
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Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.20 11:08:00 -
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Thanks Dude!
There ought to a be a ton of people between now and black Friday (Xmas specials) who are incredibly easy to gank due their outdated machines.
LOL! Even if you yourself use an outdated machine! |
Plex Akuma
CASH Bonus Checks
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Posted - 2013.06.20 11:32:00 -
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CCP Zorba
Would it be possible to just make a new client that has 64bit - DX11, HD textures along with tessellation? Just strip out the older code or optimize it? I saw in another another MMORPG that shall not be named have two separate clients. |
Celia Therone
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.20 11:34:00 -
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CCP Zorba wrote:Celia Therone wrote:It's hard to tell exactly what is going on. The eve client has suffered from massive footprint bloat in recent years so it is possible that you may be running into RAM problems. If that's the case then it's possible that some cheap ram could help you out quite a bit.
However it's more likely that Eve's processor bloat, for no tangible benefit, is the culprit.
Eve sound is a huge resource hog even when no sound is being played. You can try turning it off completely (disabling parts of the sounds system doesn't seem to have much effect), and that may help quite a bit.
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Given the lack of quality out of CCP recently (launcher, downtimes, radials etc.), it's no surprise that they've chosen to raise requirements rather than work on better implementation. Memory is always on my mind and something we've been campaigning aggressively to improve. We are experimenting with things internally to make big improvements. For sound in particular, there's some very low hanging fruit we'll be looking at this summer. As for CPU performance, there is less low-hanging fruit here. The tangible benefit are the new features we add every 6 months. If you feel we're not developing the right features, that's a separate but totally valid discussion (don't make me regret mentioning it here please!). In the end, one of the major goals for changing the min/rec spec is to give us a stable configuration from which we can improve our game whilst improving performance. We were so far in the hole with the older specs that it was basically impossible to set or evaluate realistic targets. I'd just like to say kudos for responding to what was a dickish post on my part. I've actually spent many years working on software maintenance of ancient code and I empathize deeply with the suckage of doing so.
As a customer though it's immensely frustrating when you are shooting red + usually at 100% zoom out and the performance drops markedly with a new expansion that seemingly offers changes completely unrelated to shooting red +. I was shooting red + some 5 years ago, they look like the same red + now and yet it seems like a third(?) new computer will soon be necessary to... have my vanishingly small dot of a ship shoot a stylized red +? I'm probably over-reacting but the shader model 3 thing forced me out of eve for eighteen months or so and that seemed mainly implemented for the captain's closet (the character creator is still a processor burden, that continues to be mind boggling...)
I was trying to loot Guristas Extravaganza and Angel Extravaganza last night and the achingly unresponsive overview felt like I was looting through molasses. It made my carpal tunnel flare up more nastily than it has in a long time. Why is it suddenly seemingly so much worse? The radial menu is my guess, but maybe it's network issues. Whatever it is, it's making the game much less fun.
Could you guys maybe get a UI review with the aim of reducing unnecessary mouse clicks? Things like the loot mechanics of the overview are very tedious. Double click, wiggle mouse for a second until you can double click again. Guessed wrong and you double clicked too soon? Go back and double click some more, wiggle the mouse to prevent the overview from updating so you can double click again on the next can. This is fighting the UI not using it. And don't even get me started on changing factory planets in PI, or invention - especially of fast research bpcs like ammo... |
Lost True
Paradise project
2340
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Posted - 2013.06.20 11:36:00 -
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\0/ Keep the graphics up-to-date :) ...And open the goddamn door in 2007 i've thought it's a sci-fi simulator, not an "e-sports" game. I'm not a teenager, how would i like it much?
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Mr Waras
LDK Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.20 11:38:00 -
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Rees Noturana wrote:I don't study video cards, especially since I'm currently still using a Mac Pro for my EVE machine and have very limited options for changing it. I wish there was some sort of way of specifying cards other than by product names.
I are confused. same
but I use windows xp :o I don't understand what kind of graphics card is AMD X2600? (I can't find it in my local shop) can you at least specify what AMD series should use, for example: HD5xxx, HD6xxx, HD7xxx right now I use AMD 6550D, which is HD6 series, I have very limited options changing it as for graphics I run at minimum textures to be able to play smoothly |
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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.20 12:24:00 -
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Mr Waras wrote:Rees Noturana wrote:I don't study video cards, especially since I'm currently still using a Mac Pro for my EVE machine and have very limited options for changing it. I wish there was some sort of way of specifying cards other than by product names.
I are confused. same but I use windows xp :o I don't understand what kind of graphics card is AMD X2600? (I can't find it in my local shop) can you at least specify what AMD series should use, for example: HD5xxx, HD6xxx, HD7xxx right now I use AMD 6550D, which is HD6 series, I have very limited options changing it as for graphics I run at minimum textures to be able to play smoothly
The 'series' would be the X2000 but we only support from the 2600 model and up, it was released in 2007 and hasnGÇÖt been sold commercial for some time which is why you cannot find it in your local hardware store.
The AMD 6550D will work with EVE the same way it does right now but the chipsets fillrate and bandwidth capabilities mean you are doing the right thing by running on minimum settings.
CCP Vertex-á |-á-áLead Graphics Quality Analyst-á |-á Team Trilambda
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bug_reporting
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Phext
SIGBUS
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Posted - 2013.06.20 12:27:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Grukni wrote:Will CCP ever support Linux again? We have no Linux plans at the moment.
Will we ever see a native OSX Client? Stop vomitgate-online! Make new gatejump effects optional: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_sickness#Simulation_sickness |
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Xintri Ra'Virr
Yamaguchi-Gumi
13
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Posted - 2013.06.20 12:42:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:We need more radical changes. Lose Windows XP support, for great justice! Windows XP is still used by a significant portion of EVE players and I would expect it to possibly take up to two years still for them all to upgrade based on current trends.
So... not hope for DX11 in next 2 years? :/ |
Xintri Ra'Virr
Yamaguchi-Gumi
13
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Posted - 2013.06.20 12:45:00 -
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Molly Molou wrote:With a GTX 560 that has 4 gig vram. Every other game is fine. But Eve, I need to lower resolution and play at low graphics settings, shadows turned off, no aa and so on. Still get 10fps when I come up against Eve's incredibly well coded green gas clouds. Frame rate halves when opening character sheet. Only get 30fps when warping about.
The problem is not my hardware. All other games are fine. It is Eve's crappy programming. I should not have to spend a thousand dollars on a video card because CCCP's incompetent devs can't code.
In before troll In before I love Eve so this isn't true In before people fishing for complements for their video card
You are right It's not your hardware it's your GPU drivers. Update them. Then check BIOS settings.
I have same GPU and running Eve at full HD with NVidia 3D Vision enabled. FPS is always >60, even when I trippleboxing. |
Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2013.06.20 13:03:00 -
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CCP Zorba wrote:DeBingJos wrote:How about fixing them instead of removing? It would take a single programmer about 1 afternoon to remove them. It would take a single programmer probably more than 6 months to fix them (replacement features like this generally have to be somewhat 'backwards compatible' in terms of content, which vastly increases the amount of work required). Players have legitimately complained about cloud issue for more than a year or two.
Results of very fast search: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=446563#post446563 (December 2011) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=181882 (December 2012) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=176413 (CCP in response in December about false fix, then only after six months about "we working at it" )
I'm sorry, but if it takes single programmer "about 1 afternoon to delete all clouds" or "6 months to fix them" then why we spoken with the wall for 1.5 years desperately trying to get at least any working fix? Why system works more stable in huge fleet battle than in single dungeon with broken dust cloud? -¥ |
Dr Vitoc
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.20 15:29:00 -
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With the massive requirements for video cards and the amount of lag you get in massive battles.
Can we have a mode that turns off all graphics and not just low settings. dots in space is good enough. Fighting in space in battles doesn't need graphics.
i don't care looking at the ships the overview tells me everything. |
Gen Fesslenski
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2013.06.20 15:30:00 -
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Rees Noturana wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Rees Noturana wrote:I don't study video cards, especially since I'm currently still using a Mac Pro for my EVE machine and have very limited options for changing it. I wish there was some sort of way of specifying cards other than by product names.
I are confused. Apple menu About this Mac More info That gives the product names. But it does not say anything about shader models and such. CCP, how can we determine all that on our machines? NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 The card is fine except for the Wine wrapper around EVE. Unfortunately, my computer budget went into my son's new gaming rig. EVE sure does run sweet on that thing...
It's a one off card just for Mac and incredibly weak, though it's slightly better than the 7300Gt they used to use for the Mac Pro.
Macs do not support most graphics cards. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
844
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Posted - 2013.06.20 16:57:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Jeez not again last system upgrade I was out of EVE for 6 months While I may be space rich I am definitely RL poor & won't be able to upgrade my compuer this summer! Will my Pentium 4 CPU 3.00 GH work with an Asus 4350 video card like it currently does run EVE? OK after panic'ing I read this: CCP Explorer wrote:I would like emphasize that this change now in minimum and recommended system requirements will not exclude any current hardware compared to the previous system requirements. In particular we are not making any changes on 10 July to the EVE Client that will prevent you from using your current computers.
With the new system requirements we are creating a baseline for the future. You can still try and run the game with unsupported hardware, we just can't guarantee a good experience. Using supported hardware we will be able to detail what you should be able to expect. So I can breathe a sigh of relief... So even if I'm under requirements I will be able to 'somewhat' run without the client giving me the error box like what happened with Incarna. I'll hold you to the above quote CCP Explorer
Pentium 4... are you trolling dude?
You can buy a old machine that runs EvE Online in e-bay for less then 50 dollars. The Tears Must Flow |
Nak hak
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:10:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Jeez not again last system upgrade I was out of EVE for 6 months While I may be space rich I am definitely RL poor & won't be able to upgrade my compuer this summer! Will my Pentium 4 CPU 3.00 GH work with an Asus 4350 video card like it currently does run EVE? OK after panic'ing I read this: CCP Explorer wrote:I would like emphasize that this change now in minimum and recommended system requirements will not exclude any current hardware compared to the previous system requirements. In particular we are not making any changes on 10 July to the EVE Client that will prevent you from using your current computers.
With the new system requirements we are creating a baseline for the future. You can still try and run the game with unsupported hardware, we just can't guarantee a good experience. Using supported hardware we will be able to detail what you should be able to expect. So I can breathe a sigh of relief... So even if I'm under requirements I will be able to 'somewhat' run without the client giving me the error box like what happened with Incarna. I'll hold you to the above quote CCP Explorer Pentium 4... are you trolling dude? You can buy a old machine that runs EvE Online in e-bay for less then 50 dollars.
Great! Please post that link to that $49 computer.
It's about freedom.
Best Regards, Nak hak |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:14:00 -
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Nak hak wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Jeez not again last system upgrade I was out of EVE for 6 months While I may be space rich I am definitely RL poor & won't be able to upgrade my compuer this summer! Will my Pentium 4 CPU 3.00 GH work with an Asus 4350 video card like it currently does run EVE? OK after panic'ing I read this: CCP Explorer wrote:I would like emphasize that this change now in minimum and recommended system requirements will not exclude any current hardware compared to the previous system requirements. In particular we are not making any changes on 10 July to the EVE Client that will prevent you from using your current computers.
With the new system requirements we are creating a baseline for the future. You can still try and run the game with unsupported hardware, we just can't guarantee a good experience. Using supported hardware we will be able to detail what you should be able to expect. So I can breathe a sigh of relief... So even if I'm under requirements I will be able to 'somewhat' run without the client giving me the error box like what happened with Incarna. I'll hold you to the above quote CCP Explorer Pentium 4... are you trolling dude? You can buy a old machine that runs EvE Online in e-bay for less then 50 dollars. Great! Please post that link to that $49 computer.
Are you joking or just dumb?
The Tears Must Flow |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
953
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:26:00 -
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Radius Prime wrote:Rees Noturana wrote:I don't study video cards, especially since I'm currently still using a Mac Pro for my EVE machine and have very limited options for changing it. I wish there was some sort of way of specifying cards other than by product names.
I are confused. Do NOT buy Apple. Ripped off every time. Why would you want to pay double for old hardware? That's bad advice. In my experience apple computers are priced quite nicely if you buy soon after a refresh and actually want/need most of their features.
If you don't need most of the "premium" features (and would not consider buying something equivalent from the business or premium consumer line of a competitor, opting for regular consumer models instead) Apple computers are probably overpriced compared to your needs. If you buy towards the end of a refresh cycle they probably are objectively overpriced and you should buy something else or hold out some longer.
I wouldn't disagree with you if you told me that 90% of Apple customers have no need for a decent sound system in a laptop, for a Thunderbolt connector (or Firewire), for a "retina" display, ... and are therefore overpaying.
But imo you can't really say that they you will get ripped off "every time". For some customers at some points in time Apple products tend to be priced very competitively. |
Nak hak
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:39:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Nak hak wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Jeez not again last system upgrade I was out of EVE for 6 months While I may be space rich I am definitely RL poor & won't be able to upgrade my compuer this summer! Will my Pentium 4 CPU 3.00 GH work with an Asus 4350 video card like it currently does run EVE? OK after panic'ing I read this: CCP Explorer wrote:I would like emphasize that this change now in minimum and recommended system requirements will not exclude any current hardware compared to the previous system requirements. In particular we are not making any changes on 10 July to the EVE Client that will prevent you from using your current computers.
With the new system requirements we are creating a baseline for the future. You can still try and run the game with unsupported hardware, we just can't guarantee a good experience. Using supported hardware we will be able to detail what you should be able to expect. So I can breathe a sigh of relief... So even if I'm under requirements I will be able to 'somewhat' run without the client giving me the error box like what happened with Incarna. I'll hold you to the above quote CCP Explorer Pentium 4... are you trolling dude? You can buy a old machine that runs EvE Online in e-bay for less then 50 dollars. Great! Please post that link to that $49 computer. Are you joking or just dumb?
Check it out. Editing into my first posing in your comments. Okay, here it is: Cheap eBay computers. So, if anyone in EVE community is looking for a cheap computer for any rest check it out.
Honestly giving less than 30 days notice on a requirement change comes across as unprofessional. For anyone but a small game developer. It's about freedom.
Best Regards, Nak hak |
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RadgeWorks
Shotguns for Jesus
0
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:41:00 -
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Will it still work with a 16k Ram expansion on my ZX81? |
Mikoyan Gureyvich
Con-Amalgamate
2
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Posted - 2013.06.20 18:29:00 -
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With the upcoming version of the Mac operating system (10.9) finally fully implementing the OpenGL 4.1 spec, will the Eve client be able to immediately take advantage of that or is it something that will require some work on CCP's side to fully exploit? |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
336
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Posted - 2013.06.20 18:50:00 -
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I guess its still nice to think that even with this new baseline clouds will still be an issue, everything will still too dark to see and no one will actually look at any of the graphics anyways since fleet maneuvers need you zoomed out.
+1 for eve wireframe/bracket icons. Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
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Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
569
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Posted - 2013.06.20 19:26:00 -
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Mikoyan Gureyvich wrote:With the upcoming version of the Mac operating system (10.9) finally fully implementing the OpenGL 4.1 spec, will the Eve client be able to immediately take advantage of that or is it something that will require some work on CCP's side to fully exploit?
More likely, something in the WINE layer between the client and Mac OS X, because EVE only knows about DirectX.
The Cedega WINE wrapper that CCP uses is supposed to be optimized for games, so presumably they'll update the DirectX->OpenGL translation layer when 10.9 comes out.
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
492
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Posted - 2013.06.20 20:07:00 -
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EVE runs totally flawless with two clients on my hardware that was bought about two years ago and even at the time was not state-of-the-art; I always buy slightly outdated hardware because it's so much cheaper.
That means, two times EVE runs perfectly on very old hardware; as a PC gamer, you have to update your hardware at least every two years. Don't like it? Buy a console. . |
JediRobin
Globaltech Industries Yulai Federation
8
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Posted - 2013.06.21 04:16:00 -
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Hi
I was running eve on windows 7 Ultimate 64bit with the following computer system
Intel i7 950 @3.07GHz 12Gb Ram DFI X58 T3H6 Mainboard NVidia GTX 285 2 x Samsung 22" lcd
Eve ran great with graphics set high and running 2 clients. Running 4 clients with graphics set low ran good
Now I have done a reformat and installed Windows 8 Pro 64bit with an Intel ssd 1 client with graphics high is laggy 1 client with graphics low is laggy 2 clients with graphics low is laggy 4 clients the same
So maybe its windows 8 or the ssd But my other games run ok
Regards
JEDI |
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards Mass Overload
1363
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Posted - 2013.06.21 04:29:00 -
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This thread has produced nowhere near its expected quotum of forum tears.
I require more. http://www.wormholes.info |
TravelBuoy
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
93
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Posted - 2013.06.21 05:01:00 -
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Xintri Ra'Virr wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:We need more radical changes. Lose Windows XP support, for great justice! Windows XP is still used by a significant portion of EVE players and I would expect it to possibly take up to two years still for them all to upgrade based on current trends. So... not hope for DX11 in next 2 years? :/
But you can hope for huge lag with an ultramodern PC and 2FPS in fleetfight with 2x GeForce GTX Titan SLI.
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Nur AlHuda
Callide Vulpis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
14
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Posted - 2013.06.21 11:31:00 -
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Just a small note. Many people play eve from abroad either as students, military personal, people who travel long distances for their work and use laptops.
If you exclude support for low end tech you discourage lot of people to play. In fact some corps could be paralyzed completly. EVE is very specifi game that attracts very small ammount of people so doing changes that can endanger those numbers is not good.
As example i give black prophecy that was ft2p. After removing support they lost more then half of the player base and game died several months after. As game developer never ever prevent people to play your game by your own actions. Its very slippery path. |
Pau Tia
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.06.21 14:57:00 -
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Dear CCP
It is with sad face that I now have canceled my two active accounts that I was paying with my hard earned Pounds. As I am not the most wealthy of people in the world and with a kid on the way, money is tight.
Simply upgrading my system is something I can not justify. I play for fun and the people, but if that means my game experience will be reduced than I have to stop playing.
My accounts will end on the 2 July and I would like to thank you for the last 2 1/2 years of fun.
Thanks and goodbye.
Pau Tia
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