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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:01:00 -
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Hello Capsuleers!
CCP Zorba, CCP Explorer and CCP Vertex are here to let you guys know that the minimum system requirements for EVE Online are changing for both PC and Mac.
Read all about the new minimum system requirements in their new Dev Blog! CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Team -á || -á EVE Illuminati -á || -á Live Events Organizer
@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:05:00 -
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I would like emphasize that this change now in minimum and recommended system requirements will not exclude any current hardware compared to the previous system requirements. In particular we are not making any changes on 10 July to the EVE Client that will prevent you from using your current computers.
With the new system requirements we are creating a baseline for the future. You can still try and run the game with unsupported hardware, we just can't guarantee a good experience. Using supported hardware we will be able to detail what you should be able to expect. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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JD No7
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:06:00 -
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Yay for moving with the times! |
Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:09:00 -
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I don't study video cards, especially since I'm currently still using a Mac Pro for my EVE machine and have very limited options for changing it. I wish there was some sort of way of specifying cards other than by product names.
I are confused. -á |
Winterbliss
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Innovia Alliance
22
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:10:00 -
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Incoming high resolution textures! |
Madlof Chev
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:12:00 -
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Incoming "grrrr eve client won't run on my wristwatch/toaster/atari 2600" |
Fonac
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:13:00 -
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Yay for improvements.
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Alphax45
Hall Of The Dead
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:13:00 -
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Thank you!!!!! |
Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:14:00 -
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We need more radical changes. Lose Windows XP support, for great justice! -¥ |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Aegis Solaris
1975
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:15:00 -
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Rees Noturana wrote:I don't study video cards, especially since I'm currently still using a Mac Pro for my EVE machine and have very limited options for changing it. I wish there was some sort of way of specifying cards other than by product names.
I are confused. Apple menu About this Mac More info
That gives the product names. But it does not say anything about shader models and such. CCP, how can we determine all that on our machines? http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
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Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:16:00 -
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tomorrow dev blog on downloading hi res textures? CCP pls |
Shish Tukay
Explorey Fun
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:18:00 -
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Tesselation now? <3 |
enterprisePSI
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:18:00 -
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OMG You no longer support my 15 year old PC, i hate you ccp, im quitting eve, send me isk, and i will double it.
edit, if high rez texture and tessellation strikes at the same time, im quitting my job.
Another edit, my 5850 is under the recommend specs, yet i can run 2 clients on 2 monitors, @ 1920*1080 everything high. Unless this is about to change. The tears of the many, outweight the tears of the few. Or the one. enterprise-psi-¬
I made tweet, Y U NO FOLLOW!!! |
Kane Plekkel
Dvice Shipyards
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:19:00 -
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I've been running EVE on Windows 8 since about February, with no issues, so what do you mean by official support? Do you plan on having a Metro tile or something? This is my Raven. There are many like it, but this one is mine.-áMy Raven is my best friend. It is my life. I must ma-*pop* ... This is my pod. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My pod is my best friNONO STOP IT GO AWAY!! |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:19:00 -
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Ooohooooo boy, inb4 the rage quit.
On a serious note, I like what I see. Finally have a good reason to upgrade my graphics card and a few others thingamajigs.
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Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:20:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Rees Noturana wrote:I don't study video cards, especially since I'm currently still using a Mac Pro for my EVE machine and have very limited options for changing it. I wish there was some sort of way of specifying cards other than by product names.
I are confused. Apple menu About this Mac More info That gives the product names. But it does not say anything about shader models and such. CCP, how can we determine all that on our machines?
NVIDIA GeForce GT 120
The card is fine except for the Wine wrapper around EVE. Unfortunately, my computer budget went into my son's new gaming rig. EVE sure does run sweet on that thing... -á |
Number One Everything
Icanhazcheezburger
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:21:00 -
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I see dual/quad core processors are now recommended/required. Does that mean we can expect EVE to take advantage of hyperthreading? |
Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
310
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:22:00 -
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Supporting Windows 8? Microsoft doesn't even use Windows 8.
All good stuff, though, guys. Let's get those hi-res texture packs, pl0x! I love Dust514. But it needs more EVE. Read my idea on how to do this at General Tso's Alliance blog: http://3xxxd.blogspot.com/2013/06/dust514-uprising-needs-moar-eve.html |
Magic Crisp
Amarrian Micro Devices Yulai Federation
97
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:27:00 -
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Would be nice to have some test stuff to run, whether my box will be supported. I'm often using my laptop to run the client, and i've got quite limited options to upgrade the vidcard in this case. So it'd be nice to know when will this lappy become obsolate for eve. Like there was also such a tool for that shader3 upgrade. |
Jamaica Merchant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:29:00 -
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Are the new recommended system requirements established, while having in mind running multiple (3-5) clients simultaneously on full quality settings in 1080p or higher resolution, do you aim to guarantee perfect user experience in such a situation?
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Zenith Gravit
LionGate Enterprises Care Factor
8
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:38:00 -
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Still supporting XP? Seriously, let it go. It's time for that OS to die. Heck, in less than a year even Microsoft isn't going to support Windows XP. |
Lina Miaoke
The Ostrogoths Curatores Veritatis Alliance
88
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:40:00 -
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What? No teaser of what might be coming in near future? |
Woo Doggy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:40:00 -
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Thanks, CCP. For updating the game and THEN the requirements. Backasswards.
Yes, I am bitter because my GTX280 is no longer working WITHOUT any notice it would no longer be compatible, until now.
I'll take my $15 bucks to World of Tanks. |
Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
259
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:44:00 -
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Number One Everything wrote:I see dual/quad core processors are now recommended/required. Does that mean we can expect EVE to take advantage of hyperthreading? Multithreading. EVE currently makes little use of it, so recommending quad cores is silly. And the GIL problem in Python is still not solved, so I don't see that changing any time soon. |
Vherana
Valkyrie Industries Valkyrie Coalition
4
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:46:00 -
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Poor people with their shiny i-somethingawful CPU from intel
Btw. Win XP is supported by M$ til april 2014 - first date to phase out support in EVE. |
Remiel Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
1526
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:46:00 -
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The only thing that concerns me is the graphics card. I run EVE on a laptop and just don't have the money to buy a proper PC, and under "Graphics Devices" it says I have "Intel(R) HD Graphics". This is running EVE just fine at the moment, but will this change? Don't get me wrong, I'm not about to 'rage quit', but if my machine can't run it then I just simply can't play it. As an underpaid university student atm, buying any new hardware is simply not an option for at least another 12 months. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:49:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Rees Noturana wrote:I don't study video cards, especially since I'm currently still using a Mac Pro for my EVE machine and have very limited options for changing it. I wish there was some sort of way of specifying cards other than by product names.
I are confused. Apple menu About this Mac More info That gives the product names. But it does not say anything about shader models and such. CCP, how can we determine all that on our machines?
Hi Vincent,
The best way to identify which shader model your GPU supports is to look up the features of your graphics card from the hardware vendor such as NVIDIA or AMD.
This is the only real option available to Mac users that I know of IGÇÖm afraid.
Windows users can run this tool to quickly identify their GPU and shader model support: http://content.eveonline.com/devblog/SM3Checker.zip
CCP Vertex-á |-á-áLead Graphics Quality Analyst-á |-á Team Trilambda
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bug_reporting
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Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:53:00 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:This is the only real option available to Mac users that I know of IGÇÖm afraid.
My card meets the feature requirements. Performance is low but useable. Is there some other way of specifying the minimal performance baseline other than features and memory?
-á |
Remiel Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
1526
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:53:00 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Rees Noturana wrote:I don't study video cards, especially since I'm currently still using a Mac Pro for my EVE machine and have very limited options for changing it. I wish there was some sort of way of specifying cards other than by product names.
I are confused. Apple menu About this Mac More info That gives the product names. But it does not say anything about shader models and such. CCP, how can we determine all that on our machines? Hi Vincent, The best way to identify which shader model your GPU supports is to look up the features of your graphics card from the hardware vendor such as NVIDIA or AMD. This is the only real option available to Mac users that I know of IGÇÖm afraid. Windows users can run this tool to quickly identify their GPU and shader model support: http://content.eveonline.com/devblog/SM3Checker.zip
That was incredibly helpful. Turns out, my pithy little integrated graphics does support SM3, which makes me a very happy camper
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
175
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:55:00 -
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Jamaica Merchant wrote:Are the new recommended system requirements established, while having in mind running multiple (3-5) clients simultaneously on full quality settings in 1080p or higher resolution, do you aim to guarantee perfect user experience in such a situation?
The recommended system requirements are based on one client running maximum quality settings with one client.
Running multiple clients or being involved in resource intensive scenarios such as fleet fights are something we cannot maximum settings while having smooth visual experience as then we'd need to lock down exactly which hardware was used to ensure it worked.
CCP Vertex-á |-á-áLead Graphics Quality Analyst-á |-á Team Trilambda
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bug_reporting
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Cyberin
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.06.19 15:58:00 -
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I'm so hoping that this is paving a path for increased resolution textures :D |
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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
176
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:01:00 -
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Woo Doggy wrote:Thanks, CCP. For updating the game and THEN the requirements. Backasswards.
Yes, I am bitter because my GTX280 is no longer working WITHOUT any notice it would no longer be compatible, until now.
I'll take my $15 bucks to World of Tanks.
There is no need to be bitter, nothing will change for you apart from CCP cannot guarantee that you will be able to run EVE on the highest setting with smooth and visually enjoyable experience across all game features.
Your GPU is still going to work with EVE and will perform the same.
CCP Vertex-á |-á-áLead Graphics Quality Analyst-á |-á Team Trilambda
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bug_reporting
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Valtrinor
S0utherN Comfort Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:02:00 -
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Yikes, while thinking about saying something to the effect of "I hope my T60p will be able to run it for another year or two" I just realized it's now six years old, ouch.
While my main PC is now running a 660 Ti, that ThinkPad (2613-CTO, for the tech-inclined and curious) is forever stuck with its' Mobility FireGL V5250 GPU. As said above, hopefully for the next year or two EVE will at least be able to start on it (just enough to set skills, bail to safety after a GPU crash, check market orders, etc.) as it's my only remaining computer that EVE will run on aside from my main desktop.
I won't be devastated if that's not the case, as it sounds like we're being given substantial forewarning, but it would suck, as this isn't likely to change for me any time soon. Then again, it wouldn't be the first time I kept EVE running on something it should not be able to. Being a bit of a nerd, at various points in the last two to four years I've gotten it to run on an Atom box (D510MO + 4GB RAM, Intel GMA 3150) and even an old 900 MHz AMD Duron, paired with a Radeon 9800 Pro and Windows 7 at the time if I recall correctly (just to see what I could get it to do). |
Kyodai Samedi
Interstellar Geographic Society
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:02:00 -
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"Because the Mac's drivers are not well tuned, and because of our Mac client's Cider wrapper, the minimum and recommend specs are beefier than Windows"
Huh no. Thanks to the very few existing configurations, the drivers for every single piece of hardware on a Mac box are specific to the exact components in that box. So yes, there isn't a whole lot of flexibility on a Mac system, but the drivers are undoubtedly better tuned on a Mac than they are on a Windows box.
The ONLY reason the "min and recommended specs are beefier than Windows" is the Cider wrapper. Or in other word the fact that after 10 years you guys still haven't coded an optimized, native version of the EVE client. No need to put your shortcomings on somebody else's back, really.
That being said I'm happy with the upgrade on the system configs and with what they might suggest is upcoming! |
Omega Tron
23
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:04:00 -
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It's about time CCP has started to embrace modern systems.
So can you -- CCP --- Please consider making 2 versions of EVE? The 1st one will run on your currently stated minimum & recommended hardware. Then make the 2nd one that will utilize the upper end gamer systems. An example of what I am suggesting is setting the 2nd version be of the same class as Crysis3 or Battlefield 4 type games. Additionally, really turn on all the Nivida Physic's options.
Oh and just a reminder about putting out the high resolution ships as an optional DLC that was talked about at fan fest -- any chance that will happen in this year?? EVE Online is CCP's sand box. -áThe sand is owned by CCP. -áWe just get to pay them a monthly fee to throw the sand at each other. -áGet over your thoughts that you have some influence on what they will add or do for you. |
Jarac Raasen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:07:00 -
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Well... good thing I'm working up for a new laptop. Need to upgrade for the future, baby. |
witchking42
UNFRL Fleet Operations
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:12:00 -
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fingers crossed for the release of the high resolution texture pack |
Luc Vertis
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:19:00 -
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Kyodai Samedi wrote: Huh no. Thanks to the very few existing configurations, the drivers for every single piece of hardware on a Mac box are specific to the exact components in that box. So yes, there isn't a whole lot of flexibility on a Mac system, but the drivers are undoubtedly better tuned on a Mac than they are on a Windows box.
CCP is right on this one. You are probably right for every other driver in a Mac, but not for graphics. Even if there is only a few configurations to support, a GPU is probably the most complex chip you can find in a computer. Windows drivers are better because there is hundreds of workers paid by the companies that create GPUs to fine-tune performance for the most known apps out there. This is not easy and it doesn't seem to be done for Mac. |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:20:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:We need more radical changes. Lose Windows XP support, for great justice! Windows XP is still used by a significant portion of EVE players and I would expect it to possibly take up to two years still for them all to upgrade based on current trends. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1628
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:24:00 -
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enterprisePSI wrote:OMG You no longer support my 15 year old PC, i hate you ccp, im quitting eve, send me isk, and i will double it. edit, if high rez texture and tessellation strikes at the same time, im quitting my job. Another edit, my 5850 is under the recommend specs, yet i can run 2 clients on 2 monitors, @ 1920*1080 everything high. Unless this is about to change. This is not about to change. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1629
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:26:00 -
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Kane Plekkel wrote:I've been running EVE on Windows 8 since about February, with no issues, so what do you mean by official support? Do you plan on having a Metro tile or something? We are not planning a Metro Tile. This is about internally requiring testing on Windows 8, rolling out Windows 8 across the dev team and customer support (in a mix with Windows 7; external testing then further has Windows XP and Windows Vista) and externally that players can expect everything to work on Windows 8. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Blade dance
Active Fusion Cold Fusion.
1
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:27:00 -
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I just want to say to all at CCP Thank you!! Thank you for updating things and thank you for your continually making this game better. I can't wait to see what is in store for the future!
It would be nice to see actual damage to ship's hulls, the effects of what a shield looks like reppeling an opponents weapon's volley all in real time, or a more detailed wreck that accurately depicts a shadow of what that wreck once was ( nike capitol ships do currently) .............................Perhaps in the future we will get there However, In the mean time thanks for getting us one step closer! |
Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
291
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:27:00 -
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Number One Everything wrote:I see dual/quad core processors are now recommended/required. Does that mean we can expect EVE to take advantage of hyperthreading?
THIS CCP!!! Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff? |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1629
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:32:00 -
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Number One Everything wrote:I see dual/quad core processors are now recommended/required. Does that mean we can expect EVE to take advantage of hyperthreading? Yes and no; we already take advantage of multiple cores in the sense that all I/O is done asynchronously (both disk and network I/O) and it's beneficial to EVE is the operating system has other cores for other processing. We are therefore setting the minimum at dual core so that EVE can "consume" one core while the operating system can attend to other things, inter alia on behalf of EVE, on other cores. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1630
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:36:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:The only thing that concerns me is the graphics card. I run EVE on a laptop and just don't have the money to buy a proper PC, and under "Graphics Devices" it says I have "Intel(R) HD Graphics". This is running EVE just fine at the moment, but will this change? Don't get me wrong, I'm not about to 'rage quit', but if my machine can't run it then I just simply can't play it. As an underpaid university student atm, buying any new hardware is simply not an option for at least another 12 months. We are not planning now any changes that will make currently usable hardware unusable. We are setting a baseline for the future. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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C DeLeon
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded
163
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:37:00 -
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Now I have to eat my potato instead of playing eve on it! |
Lateris
Posiden Industrial
20
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:39:00 -
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OK I will upgrade from windows 3.1 |
Shiganaru
Ignis Aeternus Imperium
1
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:44:00 -
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ATI Radeon 4850 HD 1GB - 40-60 FPS
The only time that ever drops significantly is while inside those pesky dust clouds.
However, I should be getting a new Radeon 7850 2GB in the mail. . any minute actually. (^_^) |
BAJRAN BALI
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc. Monkeys with Guns.
5
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:44:00 -
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Does this mean DX11 might be coming? I remember CCP did a demo on DX11 a while back. |
pmchem
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
528
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:46:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:We are not planning a Metro Tile. This is about internally requiring testing on Windows 8, rolling out Windows 8 across the dev team and customer support (in a mix with Windows 7; external testing then further has Windows XP and Windows Vista) and externally that players can expect everything to work on Windows 8.
Whoa wait, can we expect everything to work on Windows 7? When did that happen? Or is Windows 8 getting better support?
(I run Win 8 and generally have no win8-specific problems, but had to run repair.exe today because the launcher barfed somehow on the latest patch) @pmchem on twitter || GARPA || Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
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Verik dra'Har
Adam's Brotherhood The Brotherhood of New Eden
0
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:52:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:The only thing that concerns me is the graphics card. I run EVE on a laptop and just don't have the money to buy a proper PC, and under "Graphics Devices" it says I have "Intel(R) HD Graphics". This is running EVE just fine at the moment, but will this change? Don't get me wrong, I'm not about to 'rage quit', but if my machine can't run it then I just simply can't play it. As an underpaid university student atm, buying any new hardware is simply not an option for at least another 12 months.
I'm in a similar boat, but at least I have a gaming rig at home. I mine and run the occasional security mission in high sec on my laptop and the Intel gfx crash when I gate jump and come out of a station always, and occasionally on regular warp. I've litterally disabled everything or set it to low. Strangly it still looks decent, and I get the experience I expect on a low machine, but how about a toggle for certain graphics that may be causing some of the problems? (ie the gate jump transition from in the whole back to regular space and just make it look like a regular jump) |
Alty MacAlterson
Alt Corporation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:52:00 -
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But when will the launcher be supported under Windows 7? |
Luigi Thirty
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.06.19 16:55:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Number One Everything wrote:I see dual/quad core processors are now recommended/required. Does that mean we can expect EVE to take advantage of hyperthreading? Yes and no; we already take advantage of multiple cores in the sense that all I/O is done asynchronously (both disk and network I/O) and it's beneficial to EVE that the operating system has other cores for other processing. We are therefore setting the minimum at dual core so that EVE can "consume" one core while the operating system can attend to other things, inter alia on behalf of EVE, on other cores.
Does this mean Eve will now spin all my cores at 100% while in Incarna mode instead of just my video card? If I have a quad-core processor, will I be able to walk around a station faster? |
Sir John Halsey
18
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Posted - 2013.06.19 17:09:00 -
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No love for MacOS users ... recommeded 8Gb or more RAM?
With the new laptops from Apple where you can't upgrade your hardware this doesn't make the future too bright for us :( |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
180
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Posted - 2013.06.19 17:12:00 -
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Dev Blog wrote:AMD users: For a long time, the minimum/recommended AMD cards were not matched to their NVIDIA counterparts. They are equivalent now.
My understanding of English language must be failing me but what does the above mean? Exactly? Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
1120
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Posted - 2013.06.19 17:15:00 -
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Jeez not again last system upgrade I was out of EVE for 6 months
Will my Pentium 4 work with an Asus 4350 video card?
An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2177
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Posted - 2013.06.19 17:16:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:The only thing that concerns me is the graphics card. I run EVE on a laptop and just don't have the money to buy a proper PC, and under "Graphics Devices" it says I have "Intel(R) HD Graphics". This is running EVE just fine at the moment, but will this change? Don't get me wrong, I'm not about to 'rage quit', but if my machine can't run it then I just simply can't play it. As an underpaid university student atm, buying any new hardware is simply not an option for at least another 12 months. We are not planning now any changes that will make currently usable hardware unusable. We are setting a baseline for the future.
So, if you can fly it now, you can fly it after the requirements change, right? :)
Not that that simple explanation made it any easier for the short bus crowd last time around...
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Khadann
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2013.06.19 17:26:00 -
[58] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:
With the new system requirements we are creating a baseline for the future.
A future such as the HD textures? |
Daedra Blue
Atomic Biohazard
36
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Posted - 2013.06.19 17:29:00 -
[59] - Quote
So, when do we get the high-res texture pack promised at Fanfest?!
Honestly, we put 3000+ euros in our machines, and they sit there idly while we look at unsharp low res textures on our ships.
C'mon, we know you can do it, give a little effort. We will love you if you give us the high-res pack. |
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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
177
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Posted - 2013.06.19 17:30:00 -
[60] - Quote
Sable Moran wrote:Dev Blog wrote:AMD users: For a long time, the minimum/recommended AMD cards were not matched to their NVIDIA counterparts. They are equivalent now. My understanding of English language must be failing me but what does the above mean? Exactly?
This means that previously the NVIDIA and AMD cards we recommended for EVE were not equal, the cards we recommend now have very similar rendering capabilities. CCP Vertex-á |-á-áLead Graphics Quality Analyst-á |-á Team Trilambda
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bug_reporting
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enterprisePSI
201
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Posted - 2013.06.19 17:30:00 -
[61] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:enterprisePSI wrote:OMG You no longer support my 15 year old PC, i hate you ccp, im quitting eve, send me isk, and i will double it. edit, if high rez texture and tessellation strikes at the same time, im quitting my job. Another edit, my 5850 is under the recommend specs, yet i can run 2 clients on 2 monitors, @ 1920*1080 everything high. Unless this is about to change. This is not about to change.
So no HD textures The tears of the many, outweight the tears of the few. Or the one. enterprise-psi-¬
I made tweet, Y U NO FOLLOW!!! |
Rebnok
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
37
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Posted - 2013.06.19 17:34:00 -
[62] - Quote
Will we start to see a benifit from sli or crossfire technology anytime soon? Also thanks for working to make eve shiny |
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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
179
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Posted - 2013.06.19 17:36:00 -
[63] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:The only thing that concerns me is the graphics card. I run EVE on a laptop and just don't have the money to buy a proper PC, and under "Graphics Devices" it says I have "Intel(R) HD Graphics". This is running EVE just fine at the moment, but will this change? Don't get me wrong, I'm not about to 'rage quit', but if my machine can't run it then I just simply can't play it. As an underpaid university student atm, buying any new hardware is simply not an option for at least another 12 months. We are not planning now any changes that will make currently usable hardware unusable. We are setting a baseline for the future. So, if you can fly it now, you can fly it after the requirements change, right? :) Not that that simple explanation made it any easier for the short bus crowd last time around...
Correct CCP Vertex-á |-á-áLead Graphics Quality Analyst-á |-á Team Trilambda
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bug_reporting
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Kyodai Samedi
Interstellar Geographic Society
3
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Posted - 2013.06.19 17:36:00 -
[64] - Quote
Sir John Halsey wrote:No love for MacOS users ... recommeded 8Gb or more RAM? With the new laptops from Apple where you can't upgrade your hardware this doesn't make the future too bright for us :( Unless you are talking Macbook Air (which meet very few of the recommended requirements anyway), all the new laptops from Apple which you can't upgrade already start at 8GB. You cannot get less RAM even if you wanted to. |
Nak hak
107
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Posted - 2013.06.19 17:43:00 -
[65] - Quote
Vender gives less than 30 days notice of hardware changes to customers. What kind of professional standard this? Wait a minute. Oh it's...., not mission critical. Nevermind.
Hay, it's better then a 48 hr notice of a old chip set change. ROFL!
Thanks for the notice. I'll tell my friends, and co-workers.
It's about freedom.
Best Regards, Nak hak |
Fiberton
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
47
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Posted - 2013.06.19 17:48:00 -
[66] - Quote
Simple Solution. Do not buy mac. " CASE : SOLVED "
Luc Vertis wrote:Kyodai Samedi wrote: Huh no. Thanks to the very few existing configurations, the drivers for every single piece of hardware on a Mac box are specific to the exact components in that box. So yes, there isn't a whole lot of flexibility on a Mac system, but the drivers are undoubtedly better tuned on a Mac than they are on a Windows box.
CCP is right on this one. You are probably right for every other driver in a Mac, but not for graphics. Even if there is only a few configurations to support, a GPU is probably the most complex chip you can find in a computer. Windows drivers are better because there is hundreds of workers paid by the companies that create GPUs to fine-tune performance for the most known apps out there. This is not easy and it doesn't seem to be done for Mac.
GÇ£Out of clutter, find simplicity. From discord, find harmony. In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity.GÇ¥ -- -áAlbert -áEinstein-á "War is a mere continuation of politics by other means," |
Fleetlord Atvar Boirelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.19 17:50:00 -
[67] - Quote
I'm still waiting a reply for a petition I have for graphic issues, been a few days now reply would be good. |
Fiberton
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
47
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Posted - 2013.06.19 17:51:00 -
[68] - Quote
Shoot me now. 2 years ? ..
CCP Explorer wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:We need more radical changes. Lose Windows XP support, for great justice! Windows XP is still used by a significant portion of EVE players and I would expect it to possibly take up to two years still for them all to upgrade based on current trends.
GÇ£Out of clutter, find simplicity. From discord, find harmony. In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity.GÇ¥ -- -áAlbert -áEinstein-á "War is a mere continuation of politics by other means," |
Fiberton
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
47
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Posted - 2013.06.19 17:52:00 -
[69] - Quote
AKA DUMP DirectX9 now :)
Blade dance wrote:I just want to say to all at CCP Thank you!! Thank you for updating things and thank you for your continually making this game better. I can't wait to see what is in store for the future!
It would be nice to see actual damage to ship's hulls, the effects of what a shield looks like reppeling an opponents weapon's volley all in real time, or a more detailed wreck that accurately depicts a shadow of what that wreck once was ( nike capitol ships do currently) .............................Perhaps in the future we will get there However, In the mean time thanks for getting us one step closer!
GÇ£Out of clutter, find simplicity. From discord, find harmony. In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity.GÇ¥ -- -áAlbert -áEinstein-á "War is a mere continuation of politics by other means," |
Fiberton
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
47
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Posted - 2013.06.19 17:57:00 -
[70] - Quote
By the time we dump the terrible XP DirectX 9 and get to DirectX 11 we will have walking in stations....I believe I have been waiting since 2006..By that time ive been playing for 2 years...sigh..I still wait...I am a patient man..DirectX10 by 2020 or bust.
BAJRAN BALI wrote:Does this mean DX11 might be coming? I remember CCP did a demo on DX11 a while back.
GÇ£Out of clutter, find simplicity. From discord, find harmony. In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity.GÇ¥ -- -áAlbert -áEinstein-á "War is a mere continuation of politics by other means," |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1631
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Posted - 2013.06.19 17:58:00 -
[71] - Quote
Alty MacAlterson wrote:But when will the launcher be supported under Windows 7? If you are experiencing problems with the EVE Launcher then please send us a bug report.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Sir John Halsey
18
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Posted - 2013.06.19 18:00:00 -
[72] - Quote
Kyodai Samedi wrote:Sir John Halsey wrote:No love for MacOS users ... recommeded 8Gb or more RAM? With the new laptops from Apple where you can't upgrade your hardware this doesn't make the future too bright for us :( Unless you are talking Macbook Air (which meet very few of the recommended requirements anyway), all the new laptops from Apple which you can't upgrade already start at 8GB. You cannot get less RAM even if you wanted to.
I know. But the "or more" scares me. And i have an rMBP base model with 8Gb which goes to 100C every time i run EVE so, it probably it will die in flames :) |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1631
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Posted - 2013.06.19 18:04:00 -
[73] - Quote
enterprisePSI wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:enterprisePSI wrote:OMG You no longer support my 15 year old PC, i hate you ccp, im quitting eve, send me isk, and i will double it. edit, if high rez texture and tessellation strikes at the same time, im quitting my job. Another edit, my 5850 is under the recommend specs, yet i can run 2 clients on 2 monitors, @ 1920*1080 everything high. Unless this is about to change. This is not about to change. So no HD textures No final decision either way has been made regarding HD textures.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
4635
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Posted - 2013.06.19 18:06:00 -
[74] - Quote
Sir John Halsey wrote:Kyodai Samedi wrote:Sir John Halsey wrote:No love for MacOS users ... recommeded 8Gb or more RAM? With the new laptops from Apple where you can't upgrade your hardware this doesn't make the future too bright for us :( Unless you are talking Macbook Air (which meet very few of the recommended requirements anyway), all the new laptops from Apple which you can't upgrade already start at 8GB. You cannot get less RAM even if you wanted to. I know. But the "or more" scares me. And i have an rMBP base model with 8Gb which goes to 100C every time i run EVE so, it probably it will die in flames :)
the good thing about my MBP is that I can also use it as a hair dryer! Gÿà EVE User Interface Programmer Gÿà GÖÑ Team Super Friends GÖÑ GÿÇ-áOn leave until January 2014-áGÿÇ @CCP_Punkturis |
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Molly Molou
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.19 18:06:00 -
[75] - Quote
I can see no discernible difference in graphics quality since 2007. Yet your garbage programming skills have filled the game with so much junk it now requires a supercomputer to play. Instead of upping the hardware requirements and pushing the costs onto the user-base you should send your programmers on a remedial course.
Start by getting rid of that crappy green fog. |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
686
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Posted - 2013.06.19 18:11:00 -
[76] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:Sir John Halsey wrote:Kyodai Samedi wrote:Sir John Halsey wrote:No love for MacOS users ... recommeded 8Gb or more RAM? With the new laptops from Apple where you can't upgrade your hardware this doesn't make the future too bright for us :( Unless you are talking Macbook Air (which meet very few of the recommended requirements anyway), all the new laptops from Apple which you can't upgrade already start at 8GB. You cannot get less RAM even if you wanted to. I know. But the "or more" scares me. And i have an rMBP base model with 8Gb which goes to 100C every time i run EVE so, it probably it will die in flames :) the good thing about my MBP is that I can also use it as a hair dryer!
I can use mine to iron shirts while it's running EVE. :P
Gonna need to update the OS to keep doing that, though (still running 10.5.8). Have been using it as a "I'm traveling, need to update skills" machine for the last few years!
Morwen Lagann Director, Tyrathlion Interstellar |
Ager Agemo
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
331
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Posted - 2013.06.19 18:23:00 -
[77] - Quote
so when will we get multithreading for the client!? when! T_T! |
Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
418
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Posted - 2013.06.19 18:27:00 -
[78] - Quote
I just wanted to put this in here:
WINDOWS 8 SUCKS!
Thank you, bye. Test 1, 2, 3... |
Fiberton
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
47
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Posted - 2013.06.19 18:34:00 -
[79] - Quote
Your Troll is terrible try harder.. off with your head.
" Goes watch more Game of Thrones"
Molly Molou wrote:I can see no discernible difference in graphics quality since 2007. Yet your garbage programming skills have filled the game with so much junk it now requires a supercomputer to play. Instead of upping the hardware requirements and pushing the costs onto the user-base you should send your programmers on a remedial course.
Start by getting rid of that crappy green fog. javascript:if (typeof posting=='undefined'||posting!=true) {posting=true;__doPostBack('forum$ctl00$PostReply','');} GÇ£Out of clutter, find simplicity. From discord, find harmony. In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity.GÇ¥ -- -áAlbert -áEinstein-á "War is a mere continuation of politics by other means," |
Mara Villoso
Big Box
98
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Posted - 2013.06.19 18:35:00 -
[80] - Quote
Regardless of the number of people this will affect, a two to three week advance warning is ridiculous. This is the kind of thing you should give several months lead time. It doesn't mean don't do it, but it does mean give adequate advanced notice so that people can prepare. Buying a new machine or getting involved in upgrades takes at least that long for the non-computer-expert types who play this game.
Considering the lead time you give for ship rebalancing, it's amazing that you wouldn't do it for the machine on which those newly balanced ships are played. This is one of those "someone made a decision somewhere without really talking to everyone" type situations. (and if you're tempted to reply, well we decided X months ago, my reply is, so why didn't you tell anyone?) |
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Tixam Quri
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.06.19 18:40:00 -
[81] - Quote
Sir John Halsey wrote:No love for MacOS users ... recommeded 8Gb or more RAM?
With the new laptops from Apple where you can't upgrade your hardware this doesn't make the future too bright for us :(
Mac makes me feel claustrophobic.. too locked down for my taste. Been building home gaming rigs for the last 12 years. |
Alkyria Decile
Delstar Corp
6
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Posted - 2013.06.19 18:45:00 -
[82] - Quote
Mara Villoso wrote:Regardless of the number of people this will affect, a two to three week advance warning is ridiculous. This is the kind of thing you should give several months lead time. It doesn't mean don't do it, but it does mean give adequate advanced notice so that people can prepare. Buying a new machine or getting involved in upgrades takes at least that long for the non-computer-expert types who play this game.
Considering the lead time you give for ship rebalancing, it's amazing that you wouldn't do it for the machine on which those newly balanced ships are played. This is one of those "someone made a decision somewhere without really talking to everyone" type situations. (and if you're tempted to reply, well we decided X months ago, my reply is, so why didn't you tell anyone?)
As far as i can tell by whats been said absolutely nothing is changing as far as just the words. No new tech is being deployed, no systems will perform any different than they do now. They are just changing the specs for future considerations mainly as a warning for stuff to come (maybe winter expansion stuff). Unless they do something spectacular and unanounced on the jul 10 patch this is months notice not 3 weeks. |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
961
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Posted - 2013.06.19 18:48:00 -
[83] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:No final decision either way has been made regarding HD textures.
Can we at least have someone from CCP give us some feedback on the current thoughts, even if they're not final? There's been a lot of people who've contributed to that thread and it would be nice to get something back, even if it's just a "We're investigating it" |
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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
181
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Posted - 2013.06.19 18:53:00 -
[84] - Quote
Molly Molou wrote:I can see no discernible difference in graphics quality since 2007
You should watch this part of the art panel presentation from Fanfest where we take a look back at at some of the older graphics compared to today: http://youtu.be/5WiRV8DtxO0?t=21m30s CCP Vertex-á |-á-áLead Graphics Quality Analyst-á |-á Team Trilambda
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bug_reporting
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MaRU2760 133
Veerhouven Ventures
45
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Posted - 2013.06.19 18:55:00 -
[85] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:The only thing that concerns me is the graphics card. I run EVE on a laptop and just don't have the money to buy a proper PC, and under "Graphics Devices" it says I have "Intel(R) HD Graphics". This is running EVE just fine at the moment, but will this change? Don't get me wrong, I'm not about to 'rage quit', but if my machine can't run it then I just simply can't play it. As an underpaid university student atm, buying any new hardware is simply not an option for at least another 12 months. We are not planning now any changes that will make currently usable hardware unusable. We are setting a baseline for the future.
This seems a little contradictory. From at least one of the posts above, it appears that you have already made at least one change that pushed someone out of the game, but you say if we were able to play, we still can. ??
My computer is a 5 year old Dell with an NVIDIA GeForce 210 video card, and a GT218 GPU. The CPU is an Intel D running at 2.8 GHz. OS is Windoze 7, 64 Bit. I'm not positive that it is single core, but I would say that would be a good bet.
When I started playing, almost 4 years ago, I could run 4 clients, but the 4th one caused noticeable lag. Now, starting a second client causes noticeable lag. So I shut down 3 of my 5 accounts.
Why don't I have a better computer? Because I don't have enough money to buy one. Not trying to wave any flags or anything, but I am a 100% Disabled Veteran. I don't know if you have ever checked, but that status doesn't pay very much.
Eve has kept my mind well occupied ever since I started to play, and I thought I would only give it up when the percentage of griefers got too high, but now it looks like how long I continue to play will be determined by my hardware.
BTW, what makes you think that the new system requirements will only effect a 'few' people? I seriously doubt that you have any idea of who uses what hardware.
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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
181
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Posted - 2013.06.19 18:56:00 -
[86] - Quote
Sentient Blade wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:No final decision either way has been made regarding HD textures. Can we at least have someone from CCP give us some feedback on the current thoughts, even if they're not final? There's been a lot of people who've contributed to that thread and it would be nice to get something back, even if it's just a "We're investigating it"
We really want to do this internally but there are a lot of questions we need to answer first, for example memory management, client performance and package/delivery of the feature. CCP Vertex-á |-á-áLead Graphics Quality Analyst-á |-á Team Trilambda
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bug_reporting
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Tixam Quri
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.06.19 18:58:00 -
[87] - Quote
Mara Villoso wrote:Regardless of the number of people this will affect, a two to three week advance warning is ridiculous. This is the kind of thing you should give several months lead time. It doesn't mean don't do it, but it does mean give adequate advanced notice so that people can prepare. Buying a new machine or getting involved in upgrades takes at least that long for the non-computer-expert types who play this game.
Considering the lead time you give for ship rebalancing, it's amazing that you wouldn't do it for the machine on which those newly balanced ships are played. This is one of those "someone made a decision somewhere without really talking to everyone" type situations. (and if you're tempted to reply, well we decided X months ago, my reply is, so why didn't you tell anyone?)
Dev post stated this will have no effect on any current hardware configuration... This is a baseline for the future. Whenever that is has yet to be determined. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1796
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:03:00 -
[88] - Quote
*slowly sweeps the hard disc to make room for high resolution textures eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Hyper Visor
The Scope Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:08:00 -
[89] - Quote
Despite Windows 8's numerous faults as an intuitive/usable OS. I can confirm after 6 months of playing EVE on Win8 with my T420 Thinkpad, I've experienced zero issues so far. |
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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
181
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:11:00 -
[90] - Quote
MaRU2760 133 wrote:This seems a little contradictory. From at least one of the posts above, it appears that you have already made at least one change that pushed someone out of the game, but you say if we were able to play, we still can. ??
None of the Minimum/Recommended specification changes will stop hardware from working right now, what it will change is what CCP is prepared to support. For example if you have NVIDIA 7600 GTS GPU, this card now falls below the minimum specifications for the game.
This doesnGÇÖt mean that the card will suddenly stop working with EVE but if there is an issue only found on the 7600 GTS then CCP will not invest the time/resources investigating and resolving the issue as that hardware falls outside of what we support.
MaRU2760 133 wrote: Eve has kept my mind well occupied ever since I started to play, and I thought I would only give it up when the percentage of griefers got too high, but now it looks like how long I continue to play will be determined by my hardware.
I am very glad to hear you enjoy EVE so much and we donGÇÖt want hardware changes to ever force people to stop playing the game they love but inevitably hardware will dictate how long you can play if your hardware never changes.
EVE is a sandbox game that we try to keep fresh and up to date, with that comes additional graphic features and subsequently higher processing requirements.
MaRU2760 133 wrote: BTW, what makes you think that the new system requirements will only effect a 'few' people? I seriously doubt that you have any idea of who uses what hardware.
We actually keep a close eye on what hardware users are using to play EVE on, it is these metrics that we base changes such as the minimum/recommended specification from. CCP Vertex-á |-á-áLead Graphics Quality Analyst-á |-á Team Trilambda
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bug_reporting
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MaRU2760 133
Veerhouven Ventures
45
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:19:00 -
[91] - Quote
CCP Vertex wrote:
We actually keep a close eye on what hardware people are using to play EVE, it is these metrics that we base changes such as the minimum/recommended specification from.
How do you do this? Is there some part of one of the programs that sends you system configuration data?
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Rhapsody d'Elysium
Circle of Friends
0
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:21:00 -
[92] - Quote
One of my EVE computers is an older AMD Quad Core (9850), plenty of RAM, I recently "upgraded' with an NVidia 240 GTS, and it can handle 1 max-setting EVE Client without a problem, or 2 lower-setting clients. I find it odd that somebody with a 280GTX would have problems running the game.
The above computer also has Windows 8, and hasn't given me any problems since I installed the above-mentioned video card a couple months ago. |
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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
181
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:22:00 -
[93] - Quote
MaRU2760 133 wrote:CCP Vertex wrote:
We actually keep a close eye on what hardware people are using to play EVE, it is these metrics that we base changes such as the minimum/recommended specification from.
How do you do this? Is there some part of one of the programs that sends you system configuration data?
It is part of the logs attached to each user account when connecting to the server. CCP Vertex-á |-á-áLead Graphics Quality Analyst-á |-á Team Trilambda
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bug_reporting
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Ager Agemo
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
332
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:23:00 -
[94] - Quote
MaRU2760 133 wrote:CCP Vertex wrote:
We actually keep a close eye on what hardware people are using to play EVE, it is these metrics that we base changes such as the minimum/recommended specification from.
How do you do this? Is there some part of one of the programs that sends you system configuration data?
uh yes O,o the send automatic logs option in the esc menu, plus you accepted some other telemetry data when you accept the EULA. |
MaRU2760 133
Veerhouven Ventures
45
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:25:00 -
[95] - Quote
Rhapsody d'Elysium wrote:One of my EVE computers is an older AMD Quad Core (9850), plenty of RAM, I recently "upgraded' with an NVidia 240 GTS, and it can handle 1 max-setting EVE Client without a problem, or 2 lower-setting clients. I find it odd that somebody with a 280GTX would have problems running the game.
The above computer also has Windows 8, and hasn't given me any problems since I installed the above-mentioned video card a couple months ago.
I only have 3 Gig of RAM. I run everything at the lowest graphics settings. I don't have any idea why I can't run 4 clients any more.
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Tierius Fro
Coronado's Cross
26
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:43:00 -
[96] - Quote
Please create a new solar system called Requirements.
tia http://ridingevewormhole.blogspot.com/
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David Laurentson
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
57
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Posted - 2013.06.19 19:58:00 -
[97] - Quote
CCP Vertex wrote:MaRU2760 133 wrote:CCP Vertex wrote:
We actually keep a close eye on what hardware people are using to play EVE, it is these metrics that we base changes such as the minimum/recommended specification from.
How do you do this? Is there some part of one of the programs that sends you system configuration data? It is part of the logs attached to each user account when connecting to the server.
Out of interest, what % of users don't meet the new minimum spec? And for that matter, how many didn't hit the old minimums?
MaRU2760 133 wrote:Rhapsody d'Elysium wrote:One of my EVE computers is an older AMD Quad Core (9850), plenty of RAM, I recently "upgraded' with an NVidia 240 GTS, and it can handle 1 max-setting EVE Client without a problem, or 2 lower-setting clients. I find it odd that somebody with a 280GTX would have problems running the game.
The above computer also has Windows 8, and hasn't given me any problems since I installed the above-mentioned video card a couple months ago. I only have 3 Gig of RAM. I run everything at the lowest graphics settings. I don't have any idea why I can't run 4 clients any more.
At a guess? V3'd everything has pushed up the memory usage overall. I mean, even drones have V3 skins now! I assume you don't use Captain's Quarters? I'm not sure under what conditions that puts stuff into RAM, so you might want to kill that if you haven't already. |
Odizzido
The NTC
1
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Posted - 2013.06.19 20:06:00 -
[98] - Quote
A lot of needless worry here I think.
I will compare my laptop that runs eve, playably, to the min specs:
CPU: Mine is probably three times slower than the min spec. I run a C50 APU GPU: Again way below min, C50 GPU ram: 256mb min? I have zero. system ram: Min 2gigs? I have less since I use system ram for my GPU. But eve takes up less than 800mb so it's all good.
And 20gigs of HD space?...I might be lucky to have 200mb free.
and to the person saying that mac GPU drivers are more optimized than windows ones, I very very much doubt that. I think you're thinking of consoles or something.
and to the guy with the pentium D, all pentium Ds are dual core.
What might be useful to include is that SSE2 was released in 2001 by intel on the first P4, and in 2003 from AMD on the A64. DirectX 9c was released in 2004 so I imagine any GPU from 2005 onwards will be able to at least load the game. You can grab GPUz to check though. |
Sarmatiko
1226
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Posted - 2013.06.19 20:14:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:*slowly sweeps the hard disc to make room for high resolution textures I think it's safe to say that you have more than a year to do your drive cleanup (on very optimistic estimate) -¥ |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
568
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Posted - 2013.06.19 20:26:00 -
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Odizzido wrote:and to the person saying that mac GPU drivers are more optimized than windows ones, I very very much doubt that. I think you're thinking of consoles or something.
The Mac drivers are very well optimized. That's not actually the issue. The issue is that Windows runs graphics drivers in kernel space for performance, and Mac OS runs them in userland for security and stability. That decision imposes a hard (in the sense of non-negotiable) penalty on performance, but it means that if your driver crashes then your screen goes dark for a second or two before bouncing right back. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4191
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Posted - 2013.06.19 20:29:00 -
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Odizzido wrote:
What might be useful to include is that SSE2 was released in 2001 by intel on the first P4, and in 2003 from AMD on the A64. DirectX 9c was released in 2004 so I imagine any GPU from 2005 onwards will be able to at least load the game. You can grab GPUz to check though.
No, I have an old computer with a post 2005 ATI card that supports DirectX 9.0c but not EvE's SM requirements. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Odizzido
The NTC
1
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Posted - 2013.06.19 20:37:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Odizzido wrote:
What might be useful to include is that SSE2 was released in 2001 by intel on the first P4, and in 2003 from AMD on the A64. DirectX 9c was released in 2004 so I imagine any GPU from 2005 onwards will be able to at least load the game. You can grab GPUz to check though.
No, I have an old computer with a post 2005 ATI card that supports DirectX 9.0c but not EvE's SM requirements.
Are you sure it's 9.0c then? I believe SM3 is a part of 9c. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4191
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Posted - 2013.06.19 20:38:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:The only thing that concerns me is the graphics card. I run EVE on a laptop and just don't have the money to buy a proper PC, and under "Graphics Devices" it says I have "Intel(R) HD Graphics". This is running EVE just fine at the moment, but will this change? Don't get me wrong, I'm not about to 'rage quit', but if my machine can't run it then I just simply can't play it. As an underpaid university student atm, buying any new hardware is simply not an option for at least another 12 months. We are not planning now any changes that will make currently usable hardware unusable. We are setting a baseline for the future.
You should also review the requirements in light of the "new and improved" launcher.
I have a nVidia card, totally updated video and DirectX, 4GB RAM, Windows 7 laptop (so, not an old iron!) that the day before the "new and improved" launcher would:
- Take about 2 seconds to open the old launcher. - Start a client in about 5-10 seconds (good enough for my "travel gaming needs"). - From in game log in screen to seeing the in game ship "cockpit" it took 5 seconds.
Since the "new and improved" launcher:
- It takes about 10 seconds to open the new launcher, it won't play the "sliding curtains" launcher intro effect that I see on my other computers, but some ugly "slow pixel by pixel area fill" other effect.
- It takes *40 seconds* to start the client (= see its black window).
- From when the client window starts to when I see the ship "cockpit" it takes another 2-3 *minutes* to authenticate and whatever boureucracy garbage has been added along with the new patcher. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4191
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Posted - 2013.06.19 20:39:00 -
[104] - Quote
Odizzido wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Odizzido wrote:
What might be useful to include is that SSE2 was released in 2001 by intel on the first P4, and in 2003 from AMD on the A64. DirectX 9c was released in 2004 so I imagine any GPU from 2005 onwards will be able to at least load the game. You can grab GPUz to check though.
No, I have an old computer with a post 2005 ATI card that supports DirectX 9.0c but not EvE's SM requirements. Are you sure it's 9.0c then? I believe SM3 is a part of 9c.
Other DX 9.0 games do run on it, I installed DX 9.0c but I can't be sure those games indeed use such latest release. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Odizzido
The NTC
1
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Posted - 2013.06.19 20:42:00 -
[105] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Odizzido wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Odizzido wrote:
What might be useful to include is that SSE2 was released in 2001 by intel on the first P4, and in 2003 from AMD on the A64. DirectX 9c was released in 2004 so I imagine any GPU from 2005 onwards will be able to at least load the game. You can grab GPUz to check though.
No, I have an old computer with a post 2005 ATI card that supports DirectX 9.0c but not EvE's SM requirements. Are you sure it's 9.0c then? I believe SM3 is a part of 9c. Other DX 9.0 games do run on it, I installed DX 9.0c but I can't be sure those games indeed use such latest release.
There is DX9, DX9b, and DX9c. What card is it specifically? |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1633
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Posted - 2013.06.19 21:03:00 -
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Mara Villoso wrote:Regardless of the number of people this will affect, a two to three week advance warning is ridiculous. This is the kind of thing you should give several months lead time. It doesn't mean don't do it, but it does mean give adequate advanced notice so that people can prepare. Buying a new machine or getting involved in upgrades takes at least that long for the non-computer-expert types who play this game.
Considering the lead time you give for ship rebalancing, it's amazing that you wouldn't do it for the machine on which those newly balanced ships are played. This is one of those "someone made a decision somewhere without really talking to everyone" type situations. (and if you're tempted to reply, well we decided X months ago, my reply is, so why didn't you tell anyone?) Nothing is going to happen on 10 July when the new system requirements take effect. The comparison to ship balancing is not applicable since computers that can run EVE on 9 July will continue to be able to run EVE on 10 July.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
219
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Posted - 2013.06.19 21:07:00 -
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Sir John Halsey wrote:Kyodai Samedi wrote:Sir John Halsey wrote:No love for MacOS users ... recommeded 8Gb or more RAM? With the new laptops from Apple where you can't upgrade your hardware this doesn't make the future too bright for us :( Unless you are talking Macbook Air (which meet very few of the recommended requirements anyway), all the new laptops from Apple which you can't upgrade already start at 8GB. You cannot get less RAM even if you wanted to. I know. But the "or more" scares me. And i have an rMBP base model with 8Gb which goes to 100C every time i run EVE so, it probably it will die in flames :) AFAIK EVE is still a 32Bit Application, it can only allocate 4GB of RAM anyway. Unless your MacOS isn't using 4GB+ on its own, RAM should never be a problem. |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1633
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Posted - 2013.06.19 21:12:00 -
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MaRU2760 133 wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:The only thing that concerns me is the graphics card. I run EVE on a laptop and just don't have the money to buy a proper PC, and under "Graphics Devices" it says I have "Intel(R) HD Graphics". This is running EVE just fine at the moment, but will this change? Don't get me wrong, I'm not about to 'rage quit', but if my machine can't run it then I just simply can't play it. As an underpaid university student atm, buying any new hardware is simply not an option for at least another 12 months. We are not planning now any changes that will make currently usable hardware unusable. We are setting a baseline for the future. This seems a little contradictory. From at least one of the posts above, it appears that you have already made at least one change that pushed someone out of the game, but you say if we were able to play, we still can. ?? If you can play on 9 July than you can play on 10 July. There is nothing coming 10 July.
In the last few years EVE has embraced new technology and said goodbye to old technology. We will continue to do so in the future. I'm not sure what particular change you are referring to.
MaRU2760 133 wrote:BTW, what makes you think that the new system requirements will only effect a 'few' people? I seriously doubt that you have any idea of who uses what hardware. We have very detailed information on the hardware profile of EVE players. What do you want to know? Most common operating system is Windows 7 with NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 at full screen resolution of 1920x1080. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Grukni
Shimai of New Eden
59
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Posted - 2013.06.19 21:16:00 -
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Will CCP ever support Linux again? |
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
164
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Posted - 2013.06.19 21:21:00 -
[110] - Quote
So my retired Core2 with 8800GTX from the year 2006 will still be able to run Eve? I didn't even realize that it could even currently run the game. |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1634
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Posted - 2013.06.19 21:21:00 -
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David Laurentson wrote:CCP Vertex wrote:MaRU2760 133 wrote:CCP Vertex wrote:
We actually keep a close eye on what hardware people are using to play EVE, it is these metrics that we base changes such as the minimum/recommended specification from.
How do you do this? Is there some part of one of the programs that sends you system configuration data? It is part of the logs attached to each user account when connecting to the server. Out of interest, what % of users don't meet the new minimum spec? And for that matter, how many didn't hit the old minimums? Less than 1% are affected by the dual-core requirement and less than 0.3% are affected by the change in minimum video card requirements. And only in the sense that their system is not officially supported anymore but will continue to work and assuming all of them have no other computer that fulfills the requirements. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Celly S
Viziam Amarr Empire
158
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Posted - 2013.06.19 21:29:00 -
[112] - Quote
Bring it....
System Information
Time of this report: 6/19/2013, 17:24:15 Machine name: *********** Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.130318-1533) Language: English (Regional Setting: English) BIOS: BIOS Date: 12/21/10 22:14:25 Ver: 08.00.15 Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 960 @ 3.20GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.2GHz Memory: 24576MB RAM Available OS Memory: 24568MB RAM DirectX Version: DirectX 11 DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 64bit Unicode
the following is times 2 operating 4 x 24" monitors(2 each)
Display Devices
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 Manufacturer: NVIDIA Chip type: GeForce GTX 460 DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0E22&SUBSYS_13733842&REV_A1 Display Memory: 4050 MB Dedicated Memory: 978 MB Shared Memory: 3071 MB Current Mode: 1920 x 1200 (32 bit) (59Hz)
I'm ready... o/ Celly Smunt
Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |
ACESsiggy
Federal Defense Union
29
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Posted - 2013.06.19 21:30:00 -
[113] - Quote
Not trying to be a d1ck but upgrade your computer if you want to play games, and if not stick to writing papers and browsing the internet please. GÇ£The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.GÇ¥ |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1634
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Posted - 2013.06.19 21:32:00 -
[114] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:The only thing that concerns me is the graphics card. I run EVE on a laptop and just don't have the money to buy a proper PC, and under "Graphics Devices" it says I have "Intel(R) HD Graphics". This is running EVE just fine at the moment, but will this change? Don't get me wrong, I'm not about to 'rage quit', but if my machine can't run it then I just simply can't play it. As an underpaid university student atm, buying any new hardware is simply not an option for at least another 12 months. We are not planning now any changes that will make currently usable hardware unusable. We are setting a baseline for the future. You should also review the requirements in light of the "new and improved" launcher. I have a nVidia card, totally updated video and DirectX, 4GB RAM, Windows 7 laptop (so, not an old iron!) that the day before the "new and improved" launcher would: - Take about 2 seconds to open the old launcher. - Start a client in about 5-10 seconds (good enough for my "travel gaming needs"). - From in game log in screen to seeing the in game ship "cockpit" it took 5 seconds. Since the "new and improved" launcher: - It takes about 10 seconds to open the new launcher, it won't play the "sliding curtains" launcher intro effect that I see on my other computers, but some ugly "slow pixel by pixel area fill" other effect. - It takes *40 seconds* to start the client (= see its black window). - From when the client window starts to when I see the ship "cockpit" it takes another 2-3 *minutes* to authenticate and whatever boureucracy garbage has been added along with the new patcher. How much time did you spend previously on the login screen, "hidden" time that the client used for the resource loading prior, but now does in one go during startup? Fair enough that the old launcher started in 2 seconds but the new one in 10 seconds; but after that then the client now doesn't load up the login scene and the login is simpler than before. The time now from when you hit the Play button until you are on the character selection screen is shorter than before. We have measured this again and again on various hardware. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1634
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Posted - 2013.06.19 21:32:00 -
[115] - Quote
Grukni wrote:Will CCP ever support Linux again? We have no Linux plans at the moment. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1634
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Posted - 2013.06.19 21:34:00 -
[116] - Quote
Celeste Taylor wrote:So my retired Core2 with 8800GTX from the year 2006 will still be able to run Eve? I didn't even realize that it could even currently run the game. Yes, it's just above the minimum requirements. A bit from the recommended ones though. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Kyle Maltese
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.06.19 21:35:00 -
[117] - Quote
I run Eve at high everything just fine on a stock HD Intel graphics card.
Come at me bro; give me a reason to upgrade. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
8691
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Posted - 2013.06.19 21:46:00 -
[118] - Quote
Nice! And here's my Windows 8 problem... https://twitter.com/Chribba/status/345609724911300608/photo/1 lol
Tablet, funny how it cannot render the "light" stuff properly but the ship no problem.
/c
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1635
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Posted - 2013.06.19 21:57:00 -
[119] - Quote
What are the specs on this tablet? Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
8691
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Posted - 2013.06.19 22:22:00 -
[120] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:What are the specs on this tablet?
Intel Atom Z2760 Intel HD SGX545 GFX
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/tablets/thinkpad/thinkpad-tablet-2/#techspecs
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Molly Molou
Hedion University Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.06.19 22:32:00 -
[121] - Quote
With a GTX 560 that has 4 gig vram. Every other game is fine. But Eve, I need to lower resolution and play at low graphics settings, shadows turned off, no aa and so on. Still get 10fps when I come up against Eve's incredibly well coded green gas clouds. Frame rate halves when opening character sheet. Only get 30fps when warping about.
The problem is not my hardware. All other games are fine. It is Eve's crappy programming. I should not have to spend a thousand dollars on a video card because CCCP's incompetent devs can't code.
In before troll In before I love Eve so this isn't true In before people fishing for complements for their video card
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4191
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Posted - 2013.06.19 22:32:00 -
[122] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:The only thing that concerns me is the graphics card. I run EVE on a laptop and just don't have the money to buy a proper PC, and under "Graphics Devices" it says I have "Intel(R) HD Graphics". This is running EVE just fine at the moment, but will this change? Don't get me wrong, I'm not about to 'rage quit', but if my machine can't run it then I just simply can't play it. As an underpaid university student atm, buying any new hardware is simply not an option for at least another 12 months. We are not planning now any changes that will make currently usable hardware unusable. We are setting a baseline for the future. You should also review the requirements in light of the "new and improved" launcher. I have a nVidia card, totally updated video and DirectX, 4GB RAM, Windows 7 laptop (so, not an old iron!) that the day before the "new and improved" launcher would: - Take about 2 seconds to open the old launcher. - Start a client in about 5-10 seconds (good enough for my "travel gaming needs"). - From in game log in screen to seeing the in game ship "cockpit" it took 5 seconds. Since the "new and improved" launcher: - It takes about 10 seconds to open the new launcher, it won't play the "sliding curtains" launcher intro effect that I see on my other computers, but some ugly "slow pixel by pixel area fill" other effect. - It takes *40 seconds* to start the client (= see its black window). - From when the client window starts to when I see the ship "cockpit" it takes another 2-3 *minutes* to authenticate and whatever boureucracy garbage has been added along with the new patcher. How much time did you spend previously on the login screen, "hidden" time that the client used for the resource loading prior, but now does in one go during startup? Fair enough that the old launcher started in 2 seconds but the new one in 10 seconds; but after that then the client now doesn't load up the login scene and the login is simpler than before. The time now from when you hit the Play button until you are on the character selection screen is shorter than before. We have measured this again and again on various hardware.
I don't know what kind of magic the old launcher did, but it took < 20 seconds in total from double clicking the EvE icon on the desktop to me flying a ship.
The new one takes some minutes, this is a quite hugely visible difference. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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RoAnnon
Strategic Acquisitions Group Tactical Research Lab
84
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Posted - 2013.06.19 22:34:00 -
[123] - Quote
Rees Noturana wrote:Unfortunately, my computer budget went into my son's new gaming rig. EVE sure does run sweet on that thing...
I'm sorry to hear that. My philosophy is: If my son is old enough to play the kinds of games that require a "gaming rig" he's old enough to get a job and pay for it himself... :)
So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter. |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Tribal Band
319
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:17:00 -
[124] - Quote
HD6790 recommended? lololol. Maybe if you're quad boxing. For single box, I'm running a 4890 on all max settings and it eats Eve alive. Go dual box and I have to turn the most memory intensive features off, like HDR, resource allocation, etc. Everything else stays at max and I have no problems until there are literally hundreds of players on grid. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Matthias Mecklenburg
Fare Forward Exploration and Procuration
0
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:21:00 -
[125] - Quote
I have been playing EVE since early January 2012. I have thoroughly enjoyed the experience, especially the Retribution expansion.
'CCP has sneaked new system requirements into this past expansion and is making them official as of July 10; unfortunately, this knocks me out of the game. Currently, I am experiencing 10-15% client failure rates with every jump gate/undock and horrible frame rates during combat. This can only get worse. CCP has obviously chosen gloss over substance, kow-towed to the masturbatory fantasies of their visual designers and the increasingly pervasive "boys and their toys" view of online gaming and the hardware/gadgetry that goes along with it, and clearly regards the loss of my sort of player (a true gamer, if I may say so) as mere collateral damage in their march into a brave new world. Therefore, I am leaving the game. It is too bad, really. I was enjoying my new foray into low-sec space, making very good ISK, experiencing facets of the game (espcially exploration, hacking, etc.) that seemed to be worn out in high-sec space by the time I was able to log in each day, and generally growing as a player.
'As a "thank you," to the corporation that invested so much time and ISK into my training and enjoyment of the game, I am giving one billion ISK to FISR, care of [one of the trusted corp directors]. I would have had more to give (250%), but I "cleverly" managed to pull together enough in-game money to pay for three months of free gaming just before the expansion and to fund the establishment of my low-sec ops. Irony...
'I will be logging into the game every few days for the next week or so to check messages from in-game friends and what-not. Playing EVE has been a true pleasure, and I am sorry to leave.'
Of course, the techno-elitists and trolls will have a field day with this post--and this will only make my reasons for leaving EVE even clearer. Continue to enjoy the game, those of you who can do so. It's been a blast.
~Matthias |
Makari Aeron
The Shadow's Of Eve TSOE Consortium
56
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:22:00 -
[126] - Quote
The only windows 8 problem I had was also on my Surface Pro. I had to use the arrow keys and tab in order to accept the EULA because the mouse and stylus were not synced with the position of where the "accept" button was located. No problems since then. I haven't tried since before the last expansion however. CCP RedDawn: Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty...
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
702
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:35:00 -
[127] - Quote
LOL, my POS Acer laptop still meets the minimum requirements, but if I try to run more than 2 clients it crashes now, how will is be ok it the future?
My gaming rig is a 5 year old phenom 9850 with 8 gig of ram and a GTX 470 graphics card. And It will be going to my 4 year old son as soon as I can scrape together some funds for a decent mobo and CPU. At least I can get some more use out of my GTX 470, especially if I can find a twin for it and run SLI.
I would love to get my hands on a couple GTX Titans, but I guess we all have dream rigs we will never actually own. |
Movash
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:44:00 -
[128] - Quote
Well, I'm going to ignore the Windows 8 flamage because that's what I got. So, thanks for the support. Up to now, my client just doesn't work in full screen mode on Windows 8 so that's the first change I hope to see. Changing Eve so it can accommodate a touchscreen would be good as well, because really Eve is already *almost* there with touchscreen support since it isn't a twitch game. The problem is it requires pixie like finger presses to make it work.
Secondarily, keep in mind there's plenty of new ultrabook hardware out there with Intel graphics on board that run Eve mighty fine right now. Mine's a dual-core I7 but the graphics processors on board and it can't be upgraded. Every PC game vendor I've seen give these low-end processors short shrift, so CCP isn't alone in that, and actually does a better job than others. However, how much would it take to turn down the shiny on some of these graphics processors and still have it perfectly playable? |
Movash
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:48:00 -
[129] - Quote
Oh well, still no fullscreen on Windows 8. I'll cope. Ultrabook screen space is limited, I'd like the extra real estate :) |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
552
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Posted - 2013.06.20 00:00:00 -
[130] - Quote
I am wondering why the change to requiring a quad core. Are you going to be adding some multithreading to EvE that would actually use the extra cores? |
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1143
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Posted - 2013.06.20 00:15:00 -
[131] - Quote
Movash wrote:Oh well, still no fullscreen on Windows 8. I'll cope. Ultrabook screen space is limited, I'd like the extra real estate :) fullscreen works just fine for me. windows 8 1366:768 laptop. maybe something else is causing your trouble |
Celia Therone
University of Caille Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2013.06.20 00:34:00 -
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MaRU2760 133 wrote:My computer is a 5 year old Dell with an NVIDIA GeForce 210 video card, and a GT218 GPU. The CPU is an Intel D running at 2.8 GHz. OS is Windoze 7, 64 Bit. I'm not positive that it is single core, but I would say that would be a good bet.
When I started playing, almost 4 years ago, I could run 4 clients, but the 4th one caused noticeable lag. Now, starting a second client causes noticeable lag. So I shut down 3 of my 5 accounts.
Why don't I have a better computer? Because I don't have enough money to buy one. Not trying to wave any flags or anything, but I am a 100% Disabled Veteran. I don't know if you have ever checked, but that status doesn't pay very much.
Eve has kept my mind well occupied ever since I started to play, and I thought I would only give it up when the percentage of griefers got too high, but now it looks like how long I continue to play will be determined by my hardware. It's hard to tell exactly what is going on. The eve client has suffered from massive footprint bloat in recent years so it is possible that you may be running into RAM problems. If that's the case then it's possible that some cheap ram could help you out quite a bit.
However it's more likely that Eve's processor bloat, for no tangible benefit, is the culprit.
Eve sound is a huge resource hog even when no sound is being played. You can try turning it off completely (disabling parts of the sounds system doesn't seem to have much effect), and that may help quite a bit.
If you're playing in windowed mode then Fixed Window seems to be noticeably less processor friendly than regular window mode.
Try moving radial menus to a mouse button that you don't ever use, the constant flashing of radial menus on the screen whenever you try to left click seems to impose a noticeable load on the system. Unfortunately even when assigned thusly UI performance is still noticeably degraded since Odyssey.
(Of course, drop graphics settings to minimum but I expect that you already do that.)
Given the lack of quality out of CCP recently (launcher, downtimes, radials etc.), it's no surprise that they've chosen to raise requirements rather than work on better implementation. |
Movash
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Benny Ohu wrote:Movash wrote:Oh well, still no fullscreen on Windows 8. I'll cope. Ultrabook screen space is limited, I'd like the extra real estate :) fullscreen works just fine for me. windows 8 1366:768 laptop. maybe something else is causing your trouble
No clue, nothing wrong with my Lenovo Yoga, it jumps into fullscreen...then right back to windowed mode. I've not had problems with other apps, including ones that use fullscreen. |
Jen Ann Tonique
University of Caille Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.06.20 02:06:00 -
[134] - Quote
The way I see it, if you run more than one account (multibox) you should be prepared to deal with the fact that your machine might not be up to the task of it even if it does meet minimum or recommended specs. If it does great, but it's not something you should come to expect IMHO.
Personally I would be much happier to have some better multi-gpu support. I mean it works most of the time, but sometimes it acts a bit funky. Jen Ann Tonique does not approve of this product and/or service. Any comments contained herin are to be taken not seriously and no person/s shall hold Jen Ann Tonique responsible for any damage real and/or imagined due to use or misuse of above comment. By reading this statement you agree to the above terms. |
noise
Space Defence Force Primal Noise
12
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Posted - 2013.06.20 03:02:00 -
[135] - Quote
Hopefully my laptops 8600M GT will be fine! twitter|blog|podcast |
Sola Narro
Proposition Thirteen The Third Rail
0
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Posted - 2013.06.20 03:45:00 -
[136] - Quote
When the game was updated to require shader model 3, that caused me to stop playing for about 3 years. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
364
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Posted - 2013.06.20 04:21:00 -
[137] - Quote
Damn it. Now my 2 year old laptop with it's 485m is officially below the recommended setup . Remove insurance. |
Shade Alidiana
PROSPERO Corporation MinTek Conglomerate
46
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:14:00 -
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Nice, finally some use for gaming hardware.
Hope to get a graphics update by next summer (that will finally make me think that 6950 isn't that good any more)
CCP, could you support macros for gaming mouses/keyboards? It's a pain with current shortcuts. |
Gorgoth24
Sickology
11
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Posted - 2013.06.20 06:05:00 -
[139] - Quote
+1 For keeping EVE with the times |
Jarnis McPieksu
439
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Posted - 2013.06.20 06:56:00 -
[140] - Quote
That graphics chip is so terrible it makes Intel HD Graphics look super-powerful. The drivers for it are broken in all kinds of hilarious ways - it really can't handle complex stuff at all.
If CCP somehow wants to make EVE to work on it, it would take a ton of special workarounds for this specific horribad chip, to work around driver bugs. Just saying from experience...
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Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc Bitten.
189
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Posted - 2013.06.20 07:59:00 -
[141] - Quote
This is welcome news,
hopefully graphics updates are incoming :) |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1642
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Posted - 2013.06.20 08:23:00 -
[142] - Quote
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:LOL, my POS Acer laptop still meets the minimum requirements, but if I try to run more than 2 clients it crashes now, how will is be ok it the future? These system requirements are written for 1 client, not 3 or more clients. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1642
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Posted - 2013.06.20 08:24:00 -
[143] - Quote
Movash wrote:Well, I'm going to ignore the Windows 8 flamage because that's what I got. So, thanks for the support. Up to now, my client just doesn't work in full screen mode on Windows 8 so that's the first change I hope to see. Can you send us a bug report with details, please. Dxdiag on your hardware and info on how it doesn't work in full screen.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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CCP Zorba
C C P C C P Alliance
58
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Posted - 2013.06.20 08:34:00 -
[144] - Quote
Molly Molou wrote:With a GTX 560 that has 4 gig vram. Every other game is fine. But Eve, I need to lower resolution and play at low graphics settings, shadows turned off, no aa and so on. Still get 10fps when I come up against Eve's incredibly well coded green gas clouds. Frame rate halves when opening character sheet. Only get 30fps when warping about.
The problem is not my hardware. All other games are fine. It is Eve's crappy programming. I should not have to spend a thousand dollars on a video card because CCCP's incompetent devs can't code.
Our game doesn't perform as well as it should in general. Unfortunately EVE has lots of old content and code and it's difficult to make any large changes. We are working on some potential large improvements, but we're also developing better tools to monitor performance so we shouldn't find ourselves in a situation where we find death from a thousand performance cuts right before we release an expansion.
Much of this was a long overdue change so we can make this improvements from a known-good hardware configuration (as we said, we had trouble acquiring the old hardware...).
As for the gas clouds, please keep it up, many people here would love to remove them! Less features, unfortunately, result in faster games... CCP Zorba | EVE Online Technical Director | @techartistsorg |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1642
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Posted - 2013.06.20 08:34:00 -
[145] - Quote
Jen Ann Tonique wrote:The way I see it, if you run more than one account (multibox) you should be prepared to deal with the fact that your machine might not be up to the task of it even if it does meet minimum or recommended specs. If it does great, but it's not something you should come to expect IMHO. These system requirements are written with 1 client in mind. Running 2 or more clients requires more resources or recognizing that you won't get the expected performance. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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DeBingJos
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
562
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Posted - 2013.06.20 08:36:00 -
[146] - Quote
CCP Zorba wrote: As for the gas clouds, please keep it up, many people here would love to remove them! Less features, unfortunately, result in faster games...
How about fixing them instead of removing? Ungi ma+¦urinn ++ekkir reglurnar, en gamli ma+¦urinn ++ekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions. |
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CCP Zorba
C C P C C P Alliance
58
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Posted - 2013.06.20 08:39:00 -
[147] - Quote
DeBingJos wrote:How about fixing them instead of removing? It would take a single programmer about 1 afternoon to remove them. It would take a single programmer probably more than 6 months to fix them (replacement features like this generally have to be somewhat 'backwards compatible' in terms of content, which vastly increases the amount of work required). CCP Zorba | EVE Online Technical Director | @techartistsorg |
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DeBingJos
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
562
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Posted - 2013.06.20 08:45:00 -
[148] - Quote
CCP Zorba wrote:DeBingJos wrote:How about fixing them instead of removing? It would take a single programmer about 1 afternoon to remove them. It would take a single programmer probably more than 6 months to fix them (replacement features like this generally have to be somewhat 'backwards compatible' in terms of content, which vastly increases the amount of work required).
You have other options... Don't make a backwards compatible new version, but remove the current clouds from the game and introduce new inspace 'terrain' that affects ships in or near it in several ways. (ship does not shop up on d-scan, buffs or nerfs to attributes, locktimes, etc... use your imagination)
And don't use 1 programmer, but a team. Look at it as an oppurtunity to enhance the universe and market it as a feature in the next expansion.
(yes I'm dreaming, I'm just not that fond of removing stuff without offering a replacement.) Ungi ma+¦urinn ++ekkir reglurnar, en gamli ma+¦urinn ++ekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions. |
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CCP Zorba
C C P C C P Alliance
58
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Posted - 2013.06.20 08:46:00 -
[149] - Quote
Celia Therone wrote:It's hard to tell exactly what is going on. The eve client has suffered from massive footprint bloat in recent years so it is possible that you may be running into RAM problems. If that's the case then it's possible that some cheap ram could help you out quite a bit.
However it's more likely that Eve's processor bloat, for no tangible benefit, is the culprit.
Eve sound is a huge resource hog even when no sound is being played. You can try turning it off completely (disabling parts of the sounds system doesn't seem to have much effect), and that may help quite a bit.
...
Given the lack of quality out of CCP recently (launcher, downtimes, radials etc.), it's no surprise that they've chosen to raise requirements rather than work on better implementation.
Memory is always on my mind and something we've been campaigning aggressively to improve. We are experimenting with things internally to make big improvements. For sound in particular, there's some very low hanging fruit we'll be looking at this summer.
As for CPU performance, there is less low-hanging fruit here. The tangible benefit are the new features we add every 6 months. If you feel we're not developing the right features, that's a separate but totally valid discussion (don't make me regret mentioning it here please!).
In the end, one of the major goals for changing the min/rec spec is to give us a stable configuration from which we can improve our game whilst improving performance. We were so far in the hole with the older specs that it was basically impossible to set or evaluate realistic targets. CCP Zorba | EVE Online Technical Director | @techartistsorg |
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BadBoy Explorer's
Pedell and Scorpion Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.06.20 09:17:00 -
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hi there
just wondering would this new system requirements work fine with my below system spec
Intel-« Xeon-« Quad Core E3-1280V2 (3.6 GHz, 5.00 GT/s) cpu
ASUS-« P8Z77 WS - ATX, USB 3.0, SATA 6 GB/s motherboard
32GB KINGSTON DUAL-DDR3 (4 x 8GB KIT) memory
6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX TITAN - 2 DVI, HDMI, DP graphices card
Genuine Windows 8 Professional 64 Bit
oh and dev when are you gonna start working on the walking around stations |
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Cicolluis Maponos
Corpus Venutii
0
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Posted - 2013.06.20 09:22:00 -
[151] - Quote
Since I'm running a pretty old rig here (Acer Aspire 8730G) that appears to be just borderline able to keep up with the new minimum specs: will there (as was provided back with the SM3 changes) be another little tool available SoonGäó-ish that helps determining whether I should start scraping the loose change from boardwalks ASAP? I'd hate to wake up some and be unable to do stuff because I played Risk and lost....
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BadBoy Explorer's wrote:hi there just wondering would this new system requirements work fine with my below system spec Intel-« Xeon-« Quad Core E3-1280V2 (3.6 GHz, 5.00 GT/s) cpu ASUS-« P8Z77 WS - ATX, USB 3.0, SATA 6 GB/s motherboard 32GB KINGSTON DUAL-DDR3 (4 x 8GB KIT) memory 6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX TITAN - 2 DVI, HDMI, DP graphices card Genuine Windows 8 Professional 64 Bit oh and dev when are you gonna start working on the walking around stations
Showoff -_-" |
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
71
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Posted - 2013.06.20 09:22:00 -
[152] - Quote
Rees Noturana wrote:I don't study video cards, especially since I'm currently still using a Mac Pro for my EVE machine and have very limited options for changing it. I wish there was some sort of way of specifying cards other than by product names.
I are confused.
Do NOT buy Apple. Ripped off every time. Why would you want to pay double for old hardware? Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
892
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Posted - 2013.06.20 10:11:00 -
[153] - Quote
Quote:As for the gas clouds, please keep it up, many people here would love to remove them! Less features, unfortunately, result in faster games...
so, what exactly are you waiting for ? just do it We are recruiting german-speaking PVP players, contact me :)
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Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2013.06.20 11:08:00 -
[154] - Quote
Thanks Dude!
There ought to a be a ton of people between now and black Friday (Xmas specials) who are incredibly easy to gank due their outdated machines.
LOL! Even if you yourself use an outdated machine! |
Plex Akuma
CASH Bonus Checks
0
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Posted - 2013.06.20 11:32:00 -
[155] - Quote
CCP Zorba
Would it be possible to just make a new client that has 64bit - DX11, HD textures along with tessellation? Just strip out the older code or optimize it? I saw in another another MMORPG that shall not be named have two separate clients. |
Celia Therone
University of Caille Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2013.06.20 11:34:00 -
[156] - Quote
CCP Zorba wrote:Celia Therone wrote:It's hard to tell exactly what is going on. The eve client has suffered from massive footprint bloat in recent years so it is possible that you may be running into RAM problems. If that's the case then it's possible that some cheap ram could help you out quite a bit.
However it's more likely that Eve's processor bloat, for no tangible benefit, is the culprit.
Eve sound is a huge resource hog even when no sound is being played. You can try turning it off completely (disabling parts of the sounds system doesn't seem to have much effect), and that may help quite a bit.
...
Given the lack of quality out of CCP recently (launcher, downtimes, radials etc.), it's no surprise that they've chosen to raise requirements rather than work on better implementation. Memory is always on my mind and something we've been campaigning aggressively to improve. We are experimenting with things internally to make big improvements. For sound in particular, there's some very low hanging fruit we'll be looking at this summer. As for CPU performance, there is less low-hanging fruit here. The tangible benefit are the new features we add every 6 months. If you feel we're not developing the right features, that's a separate but totally valid discussion (don't make me regret mentioning it here please!). In the end, one of the major goals for changing the min/rec spec is to give us a stable configuration from which we can improve our game whilst improving performance. We were so far in the hole with the older specs that it was basically impossible to set or evaluate realistic targets. I'd just like to say kudos for responding to what was a dickish post on my part. I've actually spent many years working on software maintenance of ancient code and I empathize deeply with the suckage of doing so.
As a customer though it's immensely frustrating when you are shooting red + usually at 100% zoom out and the performance drops markedly with a new expansion that seemingly offers changes completely unrelated to shooting red +. I was shooting red + some 5 years ago, they look like the same red + now and yet it seems like a third(?) new computer will soon be necessary to... have my vanishingly small dot of a ship shoot a stylized red +? I'm probably over-reacting but the shader model 3 thing forced me out of eve for eighteen months or so and that seemed mainly implemented for the captain's closet (the character creator is still a processor burden, that continues to be mind boggling...)
I was trying to loot Guristas Extravaganza and Angel Extravaganza last night and the achingly unresponsive overview felt like I was looting through molasses. It made my carpal tunnel flare up more nastily than it has in a long time. Why is it suddenly seemingly so much worse? The radial menu is my guess, but maybe it's network issues. Whatever it is, it's making the game much less fun.
Could you guys maybe get a UI review with the aim of reducing unnecessary mouse clicks? Things like the loot mechanics of the overview are very tedious. Double click, wiggle mouse for a second until you can double click again. Guessed wrong and you double clicked too soon? Go back and double click some more, wiggle the mouse to prevent the overview from updating so you can double click again on the next can. This is fighting the UI not using it. And don't even get me started on changing factory planets in PI, or invention - especially of fast research bpcs like ammo... |
Lost True
Paradise project
2340
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Posted - 2013.06.20 11:36:00 -
[157] - Quote
\0/ Keep the graphics up-to-date :) ...And open the goddamn door in 2007 i've thought it's a sci-fi simulator, not an "e-sports" game. I'm not a teenager, how would i like it much?
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Mr Waras
LDK Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2013.06.20 11:38:00 -
[158] - Quote
Rees Noturana wrote:I don't study video cards, especially since I'm currently still using a Mac Pro for my EVE machine and have very limited options for changing it. I wish there was some sort of way of specifying cards other than by product names.
I are confused. same
but I use windows xp :o I don't understand what kind of graphics card is AMD X2600? (I can't find it in my local shop) can you at least specify what AMD series should use, for example: HD5xxx, HD6xxx, HD7xxx right now I use AMD 6550D, which is HD6 series, I have very limited options changing it as for graphics I run at minimum textures to be able to play smoothly |
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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
185
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Posted - 2013.06.20 12:24:00 -
[159] - Quote
Mr Waras wrote:Rees Noturana wrote:I don't study video cards, especially since I'm currently still using a Mac Pro for my EVE machine and have very limited options for changing it. I wish there was some sort of way of specifying cards other than by product names.
I are confused. same but I use windows xp :o I don't understand what kind of graphics card is AMD X2600? (I can't find it in my local shop) can you at least specify what AMD series should use, for example: HD5xxx, HD6xxx, HD7xxx right now I use AMD 6550D, which is HD6 series, I have very limited options changing it as for graphics I run at minimum textures to be able to play smoothly
The 'series' would be the X2000 but we only support from the 2600 model and up, it was released in 2007 and hasnGÇÖt been sold commercial for some time which is why you cannot find it in your local hardware store.
The AMD 6550D will work with EVE the same way it does right now but the chipsets fillrate and bandwidth capabilities mean you are doing the right thing by running on minimum settings.
CCP Vertex-á |-á-áLead Graphics Quality Analyst-á |-á Team Trilambda
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bug_reporting
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Phext
SIGBUS
14
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Posted - 2013.06.20 12:27:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Grukni wrote:Will CCP ever support Linux again? We have no Linux plans at the moment.
Will we ever see a native OSX Client? Stop vomitgate-online! Make new gatejump effects optional: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_sickness#Simulation_sickness |
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Xintri Ra'Virr
Yamaguchi-Gumi
13
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Posted - 2013.06.20 12:42:00 -
[161] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:We need more radical changes. Lose Windows XP support, for great justice! Windows XP is still used by a significant portion of EVE players and I would expect it to possibly take up to two years still for them all to upgrade based on current trends.
So... not hope for DX11 in next 2 years? :/ |
Xintri Ra'Virr
Yamaguchi-Gumi
13
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Posted - 2013.06.20 12:45:00 -
[162] - Quote
Molly Molou wrote:With a GTX 560 that has 4 gig vram. Every other game is fine. But Eve, I need to lower resolution and play at low graphics settings, shadows turned off, no aa and so on. Still get 10fps when I come up against Eve's incredibly well coded green gas clouds. Frame rate halves when opening character sheet. Only get 30fps when warping about.
The problem is not my hardware. All other games are fine. It is Eve's crappy programming. I should not have to spend a thousand dollars on a video card because CCCP's incompetent devs can't code.
In before troll In before I love Eve so this isn't true In before people fishing for complements for their video card
You are right It's not your hardware it's your GPU drivers. Update them. Then check BIOS settings.
I have same GPU and running Eve at full HD with NVidia 3D Vision enabled. FPS is always >60, even when I trippleboxing. |
Sarmatiko
1227
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Posted - 2013.06.20 13:03:00 -
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CCP Zorba wrote:DeBingJos wrote:How about fixing them instead of removing? It would take a single programmer about 1 afternoon to remove them. It would take a single programmer probably more than 6 months to fix them (replacement features like this generally have to be somewhat 'backwards compatible' in terms of content, which vastly increases the amount of work required). Players have legitimately complained about cloud issue for more than a year or two.
Results of very fast search: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=446563#post446563 (December 2011) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=181882 (December 2012) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=176413 (CCP in response in December about false fix, then only after six months about "we working at it" )
I'm sorry, but if it takes single programmer "about 1 afternoon to delete all clouds" or "6 months to fix them" then why we spoken with the wall for 1.5 years desperately trying to get at least any working fix? Why system works more stable in huge fleet battle than in single dungeon with broken dust cloud? -¥ |
Dr Vitoc
EVE University Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2013.06.20 15:29:00 -
[164] - Quote
With the massive requirements for video cards and the amount of lag you get in massive battles.
Can we have a mode that turns off all graphics and not just low settings. dots in space is good enough. Fighting in space in battles doesn't need graphics.
i don't care looking at the ships the overview tells me everything. |
Gen Fesslenski
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
19
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Posted - 2013.06.20 15:30:00 -
[165] - Quote
Rees Noturana wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Rees Noturana wrote:I don't study video cards, especially since I'm currently still using a Mac Pro for my EVE machine and have very limited options for changing it. I wish there was some sort of way of specifying cards other than by product names.
I are confused. Apple menu About this Mac More info That gives the product names. But it does not say anything about shader models and such. CCP, how can we determine all that on our machines? NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 The card is fine except for the Wine wrapper around EVE. Unfortunately, my computer budget went into my son's new gaming rig. EVE sure does run sweet on that thing...
It's a one off card just for Mac and incredibly weak, though it's slightly better than the 7300Gt they used to use for the Mac Pro.
Macs do not support most graphics cards. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
844
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Posted - 2013.06.20 16:57:00 -
[166] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Jeez not again last system upgrade I was out of EVE for 6 months While I may be space rich I am definitely RL poor & won't be able to upgrade my compuer this summer! Will my Pentium 4 CPU 3.00 GH work with an Asus 4350 video card like it currently does run EVE? OK after panic'ing I read this: CCP Explorer wrote:I would like emphasize that this change now in minimum and recommended system requirements will not exclude any current hardware compared to the previous system requirements. In particular we are not making any changes on 10 July to the EVE Client that will prevent you from using your current computers.
With the new system requirements we are creating a baseline for the future. You can still try and run the game with unsupported hardware, we just can't guarantee a good experience. Using supported hardware we will be able to detail what you should be able to expect. So I can breathe a sigh of relief... So even if I'm under requirements I will be able to 'somewhat' run without the client giving me the error box like what happened with Incarna. I'll hold you to the above quote CCP Explorer
Pentium 4... are you trolling dude?
You can buy a old machine that runs EvE Online in e-bay for less then 50 dollars. The Tears Must Flow |
Nak hak
108
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:10:00 -
[167] - Quote
Vaju Enki wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Jeez not again last system upgrade I was out of EVE for 6 months While I may be space rich I am definitely RL poor & won't be able to upgrade my compuer this summer! Will my Pentium 4 CPU 3.00 GH work with an Asus 4350 video card like it currently does run EVE? OK after panic'ing I read this: CCP Explorer wrote:I would like emphasize that this change now in minimum and recommended system requirements will not exclude any current hardware compared to the previous system requirements. In particular we are not making any changes on 10 July to the EVE Client that will prevent you from using your current computers.
With the new system requirements we are creating a baseline for the future. You can still try and run the game with unsupported hardware, we just can't guarantee a good experience. Using supported hardware we will be able to detail what you should be able to expect. So I can breathe a sigh of relief... So even if I'm under requirements I will be able to 'somewhat' run without the client giving me the error box like what happened with Incarna. I'll hold you to the above quote CCP Explorer Pentium 4... are you trolling dude? You can buy a old machine that runs EvE Online in e-bay for less then 50 dollars.
Great! Please post that link to that $49 computer.
It's about freedom.
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
845
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:14:00 -
[168] - Quote
Nak hak wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Jeez not again last system upgrade I was out of EVE for 6 months While I may be space rich I am definitely RL poor & won't be able to upgrade my compuer this summer! Will my Pentium 4 CPU 3.00 GH work with an Asus 4350 video card like it currently does run EVE? OK after panic'ing I read this: CCP Explorer wrote:I would like emphasize that this change now in minimum and recommended system requirements will not exclude any current hardware compared to the previous system requirements. In particular we are not making any changes on 10 July to the EVE Client that will prevent you from using your current computers.
With the new system requirements we are creating a baseline for the future. You can still try and run the game with unsupported hardware, we just can't guarantee a good experience. Using supported hardware we will be able to detail what you should be able to expect. So I can breathe a sigh of relief... So even if I'm under requirements I will be able to 'somewhat' run without the client giving me the error box like what happened with Incarna. I'll hold you to the above quote CCP Explorer Pentium 4... are you trolling dude? You can buy a old machine that runs EvE Online in e-bay for less then 50 dollars. Great! Please post that link to that $49 computer.
Are you joking or just dumb?
The Tears Must Flow |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
953
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:26:00 -
[169] - Quote
Radius Prime wrote:Rees Noturana wrote:I don't study video cards, especially since I'm currently still using a Mac Pro for my EVE machine and have very limited options for changing it. I wish there was some sort of way of specifying cards other than by product names.
I are confused. Do NOT buy Apple. Ripped off every time. Why would you want to pay double for old hardware? That's bad advice. In my experience apple computers are priced quite nicely if you buy soon after a refresh and actually want/need most of their features.
If you don't need most of the "premium" features (and would not consider buying something equivalent from the business or premium consumer line of a competitor, opting for regular consumer models instead) Apple computers are probably overpriced compared to your needs. If you buy towards the end of a refresh cycle they probably are objectively overpriced and you should buy something else or hold out some longer.
I wouldn't disagree with you if you told me that 90% of Apple customers have no need for a decent sound system in a laptop, for a Thunderbolt connector (or Firewire), for a "retina" display, ... and are therefore overpaying.
But imo you can't really say that they you will get ripped off "every time". For some customers at some points in time Apple products tend to be priced very competitively. |
Nak hak
108
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:39:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Nak hak wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Jeez not again last system upgrade I was out of EVE for 6 months While I may be space rich I am definitely RL poor & won't be able to upgrade my compuer this summer! Will my Pentium 4 CPU 3.00 GH work with an Asus 4350 video card like it currently does run EVE? OK after panic'ing I read this: CCP Explorer wrote:I would like emphasize that this change now in minimum and recommended system requirements will not exclude any current hardware compared to the previous system requirements. In particular we are not making any changes on 10 July to the EVE Client that will prevent you from using your current computers.
With the new system requirements we are creating a baseline for the future. You can still try and run the game with unsupported hardware, we just can't guarantee a good experience. Using supported hardware we will be able to detail what you should be able to expect. So I can breathe a sigh of relief... So even if I'm under requirements I will be able to 'somewhat' run without the client giving me the error box like what happened with Incarna. I'll hold you to the above quote CCP Explorer Pentium 4... are you trolling dude? You can buy a old machine that runs EvE Online in e-bay for less then 50 dollars. Great! Please post that link to that $49 computer. Are you joking or just dumb?
Check it out. Editing into my first posing in your comments. Okay, here it is: Cheap eBay computers. So, if anyone in EVE community is looking for a cheap computer for any rest check it out.
Honestly giving less than 30 days notice on a requirement change comes across as unprofessional. For anyone but a small game developer. It's about freedom.
Best Regards, Nak hak |
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RadgeWorks
Shotguns for Jesus
0
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:41:00 -
[171] - Quote
Will it still work with a 16k Ram expansion on my ZX81? |
Mikoyan Gureyvich
Con-Amalgamate
2
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Posted - 2013.06.20 18:29:00 -
[172] - Quote
With the upcoming version of the Mac operating system (10.9) finally fully implementing the OpenGL 4.1 spec, will the Eve client be able to immediately take advantage of that or is it something that will require some work on CCP's side to fully exploit? |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
336
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Posted - 2013.06.20 18:50:00 -
[173] - Quote
I guess its still nice to think that even with this new baseline clouds will still be an issue, everything will still too dark to see and no one will actually look at any of the graphics anyways since fleet maneuvers need you zoomed out.
+1 for eve wireframe/bracket icons. Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
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Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
569
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Posted - 2013.06.20 19:26:00 -
[174] - Quote
Mikoyan Gureyvich wrote:With the upcoming version of the Mac operating system (10.9) finally fully implementing the OpenGL 4.1 spec, will the Eve client be able to immediately take advantage of that or is it something that will require some work on CCP's side to fully exploit?
More likely, something in the WINE layer between the client and Mac OS X, because EVE only knows about DirectX.
The Cedega WINE wrapper that CCP uses is supposed to be optimized for games, so presumably they'll update the DirectX->OpenGL translation layer when 10.9 comes out.
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
492
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Posted - 2013.06.20 20:07:00 -
[175] - Quote
EVE runs totally flawless with two clients on my hardware that was bought about two years ago and even at the time was not state-of-the-art; I always buy slightly outdated hardware because it's so much cheaper.
That means, two times EVE runs perfectly on very old hardware; as a PC gamer, you have to update your hardware at least every two years. Don't like it? Buy a console. . |
JediRobin
Globaltech Industries Yulai Federation
8
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Posted - 2013.06.21 04:16:00 -
[176] - Quote
Hi
I was running eve on windows 7 Ultimate 64bit with the following computer system
Intel i7 950 @3.07GHz 12Gb Ram DFI X58 T3H6 Mainboard NVidia GTX 285 2 x Samsung 22" lcd
Eve ran great with graphics set high and running 2 clients. Running 4 clients with graphics set low ran good
Now I have done a reformat and installed Windows 8 Pro 64bit with an Intel ssd 1 client with graphics high is laggy 1 client with graphics low is laggy 2 clients with graphics low is laggy 4 clients the same
So maybe its windows 8 or the ssd But my other games run ok
Regards
JEDI |
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards Mass Overload
1363
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Posted - 2013.06.21 04:29:00 -
[177] - Quote
This thread has produced nowhere near its expected quotum of forum tears.
I require more. http://www.wormholes.info |
TravelBuoy
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
93
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Posted - 2013.06.21 05:01:00 -
[178] - Quote
Xintri Ra'Virr wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:We need more radical changes. Lose Windows XP support, for great justice! Windows XP is still used by a significant portion of EVE players and I would expect it to possibly take up to two years still for them all to upgrade based on current trends. So... not hope for DX11 in next 2 years? :/
But you can hope for huge lag with an ultramodern PC and 2FPS in fleetfight with 2x GeForce GTX Titan SLI.
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Nur AlHuda
Callide Vulpis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
14
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Posted - 2013.06.21 11:31:00 -
[179] - Quote
Just a small note. Many people play eve from abroad either as students, military personal, people who travel long distances for their work and use laptops.
If you exclude support for low end tech you discourage lot of people to play. In fact some corps could be paralyzed completly. EVE is very specifi game that attracts very small ammount of people so doing changes that can endanger those numbers is not good.
As example i give black prophecy that was ft2p. After removing support they lost more then half of the player base and game died several months after. As game developer never ever prevent people to play your game by your own actions. Its very slippery path. |
Pau Tia
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.06.21 14:57:00 -
[180] - Quote
Dear CCP
It is with sad face that I now have canceled my two active accounts that I was paying with my hard earned Pounds. As I am not the most wealthy of people in the world and with a kid on the way, money is tight.
Simply upgrading my system is something I can not justify. I play for fun and the people, but if that means my game experience will be reduced than I have to stop playing.
My accounts will end on the 2 July and I would like to thank you for the last 2 1/2 years of fun.
Thanks and goodbye.
Pau Tia
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
264
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Posted - 2013.06.21 18:42:00 -
[181] - Quote
so does win8 support include touch? currently eve is very unfriendly to touch (ship spinning is about the only thing that works well). the new radial menu would work pretty well, but you have to do a weird little double tap to get it to come up. also to activate modules you have to do a double tap, although sometimes a single tap works so half the time you activate and half the time you activate and deactivate the mod with your taps.
it seems that eve expects everything to mouse over and then click, where with a touch screen you mostly just get the click. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
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CCP Vertex
C C P C C P Alliance
189
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Posted - 2013.06.21 18:50:00 -
[182] - Quote
Pau Tia wrote:Dear CCP
It is with sad face that I now have canceled my two active accounts that I was paying with my hard earned Pounds. As I am not the most wealthy of people in the world and with a kid on the way, money is tight.
Simply upgrading my system is something I can not justify. I play for fun and the people, but if that means my game experience will be reduced than I have to stop playing.
My accounts will end on the 2 July and I would like to thank you for the last 2 1/2 years of fun.
Thanks and goodbye.
Pau Tia
We're sorry to hear that Pau, especially as the changes listed in the dev blog will not affect your ability to access and enjoy EVE.
Ps, Congratulations on the kid
CCP Vertex-á |-á-áLead Graphics Quality Analyst-á |-á Team Trilambda
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bug_reporting
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Aegis Solaris
1978
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Posted - 2013.06.21 21:06:00 -
[183] - Quote
CCP Vertex wrote:Pau Tia wrote:Dear CCP
It is with sad face that I now have canceled my two active accounts that I was paying with my hard earned Pounds. As I am not the most wealthy of people in the world and with a kid on the way, money is tight.
Simply upgrading my system is something I can not justify. I play for fun and the people, but if that means my game experience will be reduced than I have to stop playing.
My accounts will end on the 2 July and I would like to thank you for the last 2 1/2 years of fun.
Thanks and goodbye.
Pau Tia
We're sorry to hear that Pau, especially as the changes listed in the dev blog will not affect your ability to access and enjoy EVE. Ps, Congratulations on the kid Maybe you need to come up with the "below spec survival guide" covering things like:
Your system will not suddenly stop working on July 10. Just keep playing until you actually see an issue.
If at some future time a driver update or a client update does cause an issue with eve, try:
Lowering your graphics settings Not loading the station environment Install more memory ....(other ideas supplied by others)
Minimum spec computers are relatively cheap, especially on e-bay. Consider starting saving up for one so you can get it when that fateful day comes that you simply cannot get Eve to run on your current machine.
I use a Mac given to me free by my job, so I have no idea what the lowest cost new PC that barely meets specs is. Does anyone? http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
AmIevL
BlackStone Wielder
0
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Posted - 2013.06.21 22:00:00 -
[184] - Quote
I am GLAD to hear that you are moving forward with the game (like always)
Ive been around off and on since the beginning and always impressed that you continually upgrade the game... and on a plus note without charging for each expansion. ... like most other lame games.
I build my own PC's and upgrade often so I am not personally worried about the new requirements that don't really change anything... yet. BTW I am a broke ass student as well, have 2 kids, but I find a way. I have to. A 6 year old pc is not an option for me.
As far as Apple support... stop wasting the time. Go ahead and flame me, but Apple is a joke. Old junk in a new pretty box. I am a photographer, Videographer and do 3D work as well. I have been forced to work on macs... and yeah they run Photoshop OK, but I would never pay $4000 for a box that isn't half as capable as the ones I build for under $1000. Add the wrappers and shells to make them compatible with just about anything... Worthless. Retina Display? Premium features? Waiting to buy a mac until it is obsolete so you can afford it... RIDICULOUS. I could say the same for intel processors in general, but I digress.
My current build ($900) Gigabyte 990 FX-A UD3 MoBo 16Gb of Vengeance RAM AMD FX 8320 8 core processor GeForce GTX 650ti Video Western Digital Caviar Black 1 Tb HD with 64Mb Cache Win 8 ( which is a great OS once you stop crying about the start button or get a 3rd party button) other stuff like DVD burner, new case, new power supply all for under $1000 and it blows the dedicated audio/video editing MAC that my buddy just spent 4000 bucks on away. Now I just need to pair up the video card with another, and get a new monitor that will be on par with "retina", but I can do that for like 300 dollars. Maybe another 16 or ram for another 50-100 bucks. There simply is no comparison... and I say it as a person who uses both.
Never had many problems running this game... even with old PCs that didn't "officially" meet the standards. Playing New games with a 6 year old computer is like trying to browse the internet with a Sony Walkman cassette player.
This game has lasted a decade and hopefully will last 2 more. if it is to do so than it must change with the times. Don't blame CCP because the industry keeps making new PCs. Blame them for some slow code that is a left over relic of a 10 year old engine, but not for trying to keep this game fresh and more importantly on the market for us to play. I would like to see a better way to navigate than the drop down menus that always jack up cause they are so sensitive and small, but I don't know a better way to do it with all the belts and stations etc that it has to list. Point is, nothing is EVER perfect. They are doing what they can to make things better which is more than most if not all other DEV teams I have ever dealt with.
I came to this game after the Sunset of Earth and Beyond. Ya know... sunset. Where most game devs say " who cares that we have a million devoted fans that pay monthly, it will take time and money to improve things. We already got their cash, lets pull the plug, and start another game that we will not give a crap about... or if we are to fix our game... lets call it an Expansion and charge them even more. EnB is back in an emulator (makes me so happy) but play it for a minute and you see why EVE needed and will continue to need major changes. Sorry for the people to whom progress will leave behind. It has happened to me as well, with shader 2 and 3 upgrades. I was out for a while because of those. I've been out of game because my own lack of funds for the subscription too, but I would rather be out of game or have to spend the money to upgrade than to have the EVE universe die for everyone else... like the rest of the good old MMOs. Trust me, I have played BETA to BUST on way too many games. (in fact I was at least a tester on almost EVERY Major game that was released in a 5-7 year window, until I got sick of watching companies use and abuse their fan base.) It is much worse having all your hard work and love for community and game world to just be snuffed out in an instant. I STILL miss Motor City Online and I was testing and playing that game before the year 2000. I am just now coming back to EVE after a loooong break due to personal issues and I am already sick of seeing the" Screw you CCP for trying to making this game even more fuggin' awesome." comments. Maybe it is just my past experience of online gaming since the 90's, but seriously, some of you just don't seem to understand how good you have it here. Maybe I have just been away too long and I am wondering who let all the sniveling kiddies in. Either way, go yell at some other game developer. Ask them why they are making new awesome photo realistic games, and why they couldn't make them play on your Commadore 64 or Apple II. Think they will take you seriously? Keep yelling at CCP and telling them that their programmers are suck. Some complaints are legit, but keep crying a quitting and maybe they too will decide it ain't worth it anymore and apocalypse this universe like so many others have before.
Oh and anyone who is leaving now because of changes that may happen in a year or 2. All I can say is..... Can I have yer stuff?? |
FalconWIthDreams
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:40:00 -
[185] - Quote
Can we walk in the stations yet? |
Arec Bardwin
966
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Posted - 2013.06.22 06:39:00 -
[186] - Quote
So people can still play even if their system does not meet the minimum requirements. |
Symrstar
Dominion of Inter-Celestial Kings Tribal Band
0
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Posted - 2013.06.22 14:43:00 -
[187] - Quote
Like some, I like the the fact that CCP keeps moving forward with the development of the game. I did have to hand my keys over to a trusted friend when SM3 was brought online. I continued to pay for training time, my friend updating my queue and what not. It did get to the point where I did lose about two months of training before I managed to get a rig to run the game. Still here, still playing.
That being said. It would be grand if some folks in the programming pleasure dens would come up with new graphics MINIMUM settings.
EVE can be pretty. But like one guy already said... zoomed 100% out shooting at red plus marks on a starfield. I don't care about "walking in station" or "battle damage" or even turret effects. Just having the option for less would be a welcome sight. |
Tristanor
Ice Mining Boosting Corp
7
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Posted - 2013.06.22 16:21:00 -
[188] - Quote
HI there,
You want issues on win8....mmmm sounds wrong... you want to hear about... nah...
Well if tehre is anything to say about win 8 you want to know.mmm yeah that sound right :)
I use multiple clients. I do that one 2 systems, depending where and what i do (trading and hauling) My quadcore old system with win7 works perfect with that as did my current machine when it was on 7.
With the new update there is something that i would like to call memoryleaks. When i have 3-4 clients on during the night the next morning my memory is full (99%0 (I have 8gb on this one and 4gb on the old machine) I tried local and normal clients and separate and combined installs. But all have the same trouble.
After rebooring its released. As said on my old win7 machine no problems at all. No reboot needed every day.
I am more the willing to give all details of my machine and installations just tell em what you need.
And for the ones wondering....i have no bot running or so, just good ol plain autopilot before i go to bed so they have arrived when i am awake again :) |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
271
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:41:00 -
[189] - Quote
Zenith Gravit wrote:Still supporting XP? Seriously, let it go. It's time for that OS to die. Heck, in less than a year even Microsoft isn't going to support Windows XP.
Whilst a lot of us are waiting for MS to stopp buggering^d supporting XP I, and many others, are happy to remain on XP as our main development machines espcially if we're doing stuff with Visual Studio 6.
Yes, yes, move up/over/down to Win 7/8 they say, it's all backwards compatible they say. It isn't. Many a massive C++ or VB project won't work under Windows 7. Not to mention that XP moves far faster on the same hardware than W7.
I can't wait for the day for MS to stop supporting XP because their support is frankly nothing but a nuisance but as operating systems go it's generally far better than W7/8. And don't get me going on the networking issues that W7 has.
No, keep XP for as long as possible unless it's absolutely essential to move away from. |
Devilis Hellfire
Rekium University Phantom Armada
0
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Posted - 2013.06.22 19:31:00 -
[190] - Quote
All grafhics improvement are fine...... but please let us desactivate gas clouds if a player want ...... this features destroy our FPS .... normaly i play at 60 FPS ..... but in many mission with this horribles brilliant gas clouds my FPS drops to 10 .
All is ok but let me put off this gas clouds..... I dont need them , I dont want to see them eating my FPS .... OK ???? .... I dont want zoom out in every mission , because CCP want put a pretty gas cloud in every mission ..... please say me that YOU are working to fix it or something , I WANT TO SEE MY SHIP WHILE I DOING MISSIONS ..... MANY THANKS . |
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Gan Millicent
Veritech Enterprises WHY so Seri0Us
0
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Posted - 2013.06.22 23:05:00 -
[191] - Quote
I'm wondering if CCP had/does OS and hardware surveys on the Mac and PC, similar to what Steam does? I know I've never seen an option to send my hardware specs back to CCP. I'm wondering if CCP is cognizant of what the full impact to the player base will be?
I'm currently run a homebrew Windows 8 desktop and a Macbook Pro laptop. The desktop should be fine at the maximum settings, but the laptop has trouble at maximum now. |
JediRobin
Globaltech Industries Yulai Federation
8
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Posted - 2013.06.23 02:03:00 -
[192] - Quote
Its funny...ccp said in the dev post they want to hear from those of us with windows 8 issues and yet they don't reply to us..... |
Proddy Scun
Renfield Inc
31
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Posted - 2013.06.23 18:57:00 -
[193] - Quote
Of course as is standard in the industry -- the first software of this new standard actually went into effect the day of the announcement. Its easy see in task manager and in lagged game performance on formerly recommended systems.
This announcement is merely PR to act like true preparation warning was given and to preserve the illusion that related bug reports were still going to be acted on. But of course 2 July means any submissions performance before 2 July are alrady effectively dead without CCP ever seeming to footdrag, stall or ignore bug reports.
And the sad thing is that this early performance hit -- and possibly much of the whole thing -- has little to do with the small amount of new code written by CCP itself and introduced in the last couple of mini-patches. (Things were fine the first couple weeks of Odyssey - but now CPU and memory demand is more than doubled...especailly CPU.) Its all about passive debugging tools injected by a new CCP software development kit 90% of which are unlikely to see use on end user machines. But this huge new overhead of tools is just there "in case" and because its hard or impossible for CCP to trim the developer kit overhead being added for their next generation coding and development envronment and tools. |
Proddy Scun
Renfield Inc
31
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Posted - 2013.06.23 19:35:00 -
[194] - Quote
Gan Millicent wrote:I'm wondering if CCP had/does OS and hardware surveys on the Mac and PC, similar to what Steam does? I know I've never seen an option to send my hardware specs back to CCP. I'm wondering if CCP is cognizant of what the full impact to the player base will be?
I'm currently run a homebrew Windows 8 desktop and a Macbook Pro laptop. The desktop should be fine at the maximum settings, but the laptop has trouble at maximum now.
Laptops seldom make good gaming machine unless they are premium $$$ gaming specialty laptops. And even then they degrade their positon in the pack more quickly due to hardware being adapted to restrictive laptop environment last (often 6 months or more after PC release).. Plus laptop graphics tend to be more limited due to space and cooling at the begin and then "sabtoged" through the general lack of easy upgrades of graphics hardware to the next generation.
Basically common laptops are good for browser and previous generation games. And speciallty gaming laptops expensive and short lived for most demanding games...be ready to sell every six months at substantial loss.
But player base consultation?
Three things.
#1 Ultimately I would hate to see the game held back by stagnant hardware.
..although there is obviously plenty of game mechanics things that can be done server side or within the bounds of something more similar to the previous hardware standard.
#2 However, CCP tends to toward huge leaps to the edge of common consumer graphic hardware every time the old basket of graphic ideas starts to run low or become challenging within current hardware standards - regardless of whether CCP has anything specific planned yet.
Because as always CCP makes good use of parallel and less critical development of graphics as its big competitive shock and awe tactic and as a distractor from development struggles with more rigid technical features. After all maybe you don't get what you were aiming at in graphics but as long as its spectacular and you don't tell anyone ...who is to know or get upset? Whereas those more well defined technical struggles with lag or whatever will keep biting CCP behind until truly solved or radically excised by a new paradigm.
Of course many of the client fails are graphics related so that pumps up the pressure to deliver something even more stunning on a regular basis while staying well within what is relatively easy for CCP graphics effects staff.
#3 Yes it would be nice if CCP crept the hardware standards forward more gradually so that total crisis did not knock so many players completely ou tof the game. Performance sliding gradually until you think you want to reinvest would be nice. But it basically pays for CCP to ambush large nubmers of people with major new standards.
First CCP doesn't want to deal every release with the intense crap limited budget folk put out when their machine falls off the edge. B itter medincine limits the 'wasted" PR time -- the futures is advancing whther you can afford or not -- scifi game fans should understand that is CCP opinion.
Second new graphic advances often aren't as stunning when delivered. But more importantly CCP developer software is probably released or at least purchased or trained in major increments.
Finally CCP probably literally gets a small but noticable kick back from major brand computer gaming manufacturers for forcing new system purchases over incremental upgrades. NVidia and AMD are probably the only computer parts manufacturers who give any kickbacks for raising standards. Unfortunately unless you push gamers toward the very upper edge of commodity gaming graphics - there just isn't enough money involved for CCP to get a significant kickback beyond a few early delivery graphics card for developers. CCP is small enough ccorp that any accumulation of free hardware or kickbacks makes a noticable impact on the bottomline...and ultimately whether the game continuous to be be developed rapidly or even vaibly offered to the public. |
Proddy Scun
Renfield Inc
31
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Posted - 2013.06.23 21:36:00 -
[195] - Quote
Sarmatiko wrote:We need more radical changes. Lose Windows XP support, for great justice!
Drop Windows support period.
CCP should roll their own Linux OS distribution optimized to run EVE on bare metal.
The only Windows or MacOS support should be wedging in boot to multiple OS on standard installs.
Is that idea radical enough?
Or perhaps start a gaming industry consortium to produce a slightly more generalized Gaming OS for PC and Apple hardware platforms. No effort to run Office or Photoshop well. Third party music and voice comm software would be the limits off hardcore accomdocation of extra apps. Big focus on drivers to fully exploit gaming hardware especially graphics hardware and controllers at foundation level to make features available to new games.
I only trust my brain implant game interface to be wired to CCP OS!!! |
Balthazar Lestrane
Happy Endings. The Retirement Club
4
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Posted - 2013.06.23 22:13:00 -
[196] - Quote
So are we ever going to see a native client for OSX? What's the hold up? |
stoxxine
OLVI industries Inter Malleum et Incudem
26
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Posted - 2013.06.24 17:12:00 -
[197] - Quote
does this mean you will not be implementing the low-end detail mode?
- low-grade or no 3d models - possibly even no transparency
it's just.. there are many people that occasionally want to use a laptop or similar just for chat and other duties that might not really involve any combat or stuff. even a fullscreen POS shield can be a bit much. any device can do composition and sprites if that is all that is asked of them.
(btw dont get me started about running market or industry on a laggy (read:wireless) internet) Disclaimer: The above was probably written drunk or by a friend on my pc or a hacker. No warranty for any misinformation provided. |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1658
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Posted - 2013.06.24 18:01:00 -
[198] - Quote
Arec Bardwin wrote:So people can still play even if their system does not meet the minimum requirements. In some, even many cases, yes. Most certainly then nothing is happening on 10 July when the new system requirements come into effect, except them becoming official.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1658
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Posted - 2013.06.24 18:03:00 -
[199] - Quote
Gan Millicent wrote:I'm wondering if CCP had/does OS and hardware surveys on the Mac and PC, similar to what Steam does? I know I've never seen an option to send my hardware specs back to CCP. I'm wondering if CCP is cognizant of what the full impact to the player base will be?
I'm currently run a homebrew Windows 8 desktop and a Macbook Pro laptop. The desktop should be fine at the maximum settings, but the laptop has trouble at maximum now. We have detailed information on the hardware profile of EVE players. More here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3230480#post3230480 Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1658
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Posted - 2013.06.24 18:05:00 -
[200] - Quote
JediRobin wrote:Its funny...ccp said in the dev post they want to hear from those of us with windows 8 issues and yet they don't reply to us..... Please use the in-game / in-client bug reporting tool to send us such feedback. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Universe, EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Jed Clampett
The Order Of Viision Brothers of Apocrypha.
17
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Posted - 2013.06.25 05:52:00 -
[201] - Quote
Its already quite apparent that dual core 3.0Ghz 8 GB RAM is insufficient for anything but docked use. Simple commands alone in POS and ore sites of wh are delayed by 2-6 seconds and forces CPU to 85% with fat wide spikes to 100% . Radeon 4600 still looks good but probably contributes to lag.
So get real. Quad core 3.4GHz 16GB and 128GB semiconductor drive is probably practical minimum for actual play. If you aren't paying $150 for discounted graphic card you are gonna suffer. On the other hand $300-$500 for low end premium cards is still probably a waste if you think it won't need replacing in 1-2 years of EVE development.
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Red Rydah
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
41
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CCP Vertex wrote:War Kitten wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:The only thing that concerns me is the graphics card. I run EVE on a laptop and just don't have the money to buy a proper PC, and under "Graphics Devices" it says I have "Intel(R) HD Graphics". This is running EVE just fine at the moment, but will this change? Don't get me wrong, I'm not about to 'rage quit', but if my machine can't run it then I just simply can't play it. As an underpaid university student atm, buying any new hardware is simply not an option for at least another 12 months. We are not planning now any changes that will make currently usable hardware unusable. We are setting a baseline for the future. So, if you can fly it now, you can fly it after the requirements change, right? :) Not that that simple explanation made it any easier for the short bus crowd last time around... Correct
*whew*
My computer will be 4 years old this August, but at least the slotted NVIDIA GTX285 still keeps it around the midpoint between the minimum and recommended specs. At least that gives me some breathing room to save up for a new computer.
(time to consider if I really need that daily shot of Tim Horton's coffee and use the money instead for a Red Rydah Computer Fund)
RR
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June Cartier
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.26 10:53:00 -
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I bought a new gaming rig a few weeks ago (Windows 8) and since then the client freezes very frequently (time range varies between laoding screen to a couple hours) and when it happens I can't close it with task manager or just crashing with me having to reboot my pc. I never had problems like this on my 5 year old vista laptop.
Now I'm am wondering will the (by now known) problems with windows 8 be fixed by that time? Or will we have to wait for an undefined amount of time before we can play decently again? |
Peter Tjordenskiold
90
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Posted - 2013.06.26 12:29:00 -
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It would be nice to have a high performance mode in the near future too, because I'm mostly playing in blobs and experiencing an advantage when it comes to a session change, when the grid data is downloaded., since I have a i7 CPU . For many 0.0 players it is more important to be able to be able to react in time than the magic of graphics. But the time for desktop pc is stagnating and performant laptops are twice as expensive than desktop PCs.
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Swiftstrike1
Interfector INC. Fade 2 Black
54
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Posted - 2013.06.26 14:12:00 -
[205] - Quote
Yet another reason to upgrade my ageing gaming rig. Pleased that eve is moving forward, sad that my system will no longer meet the recommended system requirements. |
Talia Araceli
Nuts and Vindictive Remix Technologies
9
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Posted - 2013.06.30 18:25:00 -
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Go ahead and up the system requirements some more. I want more shineys and I could always use an excuse to upgrade.
Although i was surprised to see my Geforce GTX 460 to be below the recommended specs, I will live ^^ |
Medeea Ghost
Rubbish and Garbage Removal
1
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Posted - 2013.06.30 19:52:00 -
[207] - Quote
i5 ivy @ 4.5GHz 24/7, 5,5GHz delided version, 5GHz normal OC. 6850 Toxic OC edition fiber internet SCSI hdd 8Gb RAM
Will I be able to play one client medium settings?!? :))) Oh wait, I normally play on low settings. When I wanna stare at ships, I pump full settings ON (once per... month... maybe).
No, but seriously, when I see games putting an i7 processor on their list, I can't stop myself laughing. Yes, people are stupid, yes they will buy the i7, but still, it's laughable.
All those said, I am glad EvE is getting prettier. Maybe I will finally have a reason to get a new monitor. |
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
358
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Posted - 2013.07.01 06:27:00 -
[208] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:We need more radical changes. Lose Windows XP support, for great justice! Windows XP is still used by a significant portion of EVE players and I would expect it to possibly take up to two years still for them all to upgrade based on current trends. SO noted. My alt machine runs XP on a dual core 3 Gig CPU with 4 Gigs RAM and the motherboard graphics card.
Yes - there are still XP users who don't want to have to upgrade just yet ! |
Starbud Paul
R0GUE ENTITY Space Immigration
0
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Posted - 2013.07.06 11:34:00 -
[209] - Quote
I would like to emphasize that this change now in minimum and recommended system requirements will not exclude any current hardware compared to the previous system requirements. In particular we are not making any changes on 10 July to the EVE Client that will prevent you from using your current computers.
With the new system requirements we are creating a baseline for the future. You can still try and run the game with unsupported hardware, we just can't guarantee a good experience. Using supported hardware we will be able to detail what you should be able to expect.
Ok So How Dose CCp stand on thsi
When u launched this game product ! That we pay for! FYI
A service that as a componey when u launched and started a monthly subscription it was suported by the pentium seriese mother boards
As we pay for this product imop this move will eventuly as u say do away with this and make the product unatainible in future to older pc Their are still many pilots who dont run dule core and still have the pentium series and are all ready near toiling to run this product as it is.
now this ?
ccp actions here seem very immoral and inconiderate considering this product should always have the ability to run this game no matter what advances . The specs that when u first began to sell this game as a product "im sure theirs a consumer law in their some place"
ccp have to keep this product avalible to its original game specs when sold
LONG LIVE THE PENTIUM 4
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David North
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.07 03:15:00 -
[210] - Quote
It seems like some people are starting to panic.
Your system will still work. Wait till it stops working to start complaining about it. |
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Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
309
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Posted - 2013.07.07 17:30:00 -
[211] - Quote
I'm not entirely computer illiterate, but I don't perform surgery on my system too often so this news had me worried for a while. But as luck would have it, my trusty Nvidia Geforce 210 died recently when its little fan stopped turning and I realized it was running at 215 degrees (maybe it was all those jump animations haha.) So I came here and re-read the specs and I've gotta admit, it was all Greek to me. I need a quad core somethinganother and a really expensive graphics card I couldn't afford. I think my computer has a dual core 3.0 Ghz thingamajiggy.
So screw all that. I decided to just run out to Best Buy and bought what was on sale. That's how I roll. I added 8 Gb system RAM (bringing that total from 4Gb to 12Gb) and replaced my former 500Mb video ram Nvidia 210 with a Geforce GT 640 (2 Gb video RAM) (it was on sale for like 100 bucks.) So tldr: I tripled my system RAM and quadrupled my video RAM for about 150 dollars.
The results have been game changing. Prior to the switch, I ran 2 EVE clients in windowed mode, where they occupy about 3/4 of a 50" flat screen tv and on the other 1/4 I usually run wmp, winamp, EVE radio, etc. Performance was an issue. If both EVE clients were maximized simultaneously, the mouse would stagger around and wmp couldn't even produce a picture. So my routine was to pause whatever I was watching when I was in a nebula or docked in a station because of the increased graphics load. Things played half-a** in space. Since you're usually in space anyway it really wasn't an issue. Even so, some video files still performed better than others. About half of my avi collection was unusable in this way.
Now, everything works. Zero lag. I can maximize both clients, let a film play whilst in station, etc. I even tried to max the thing out by starting up other programs like Diablo 3 with the 2 EVE clients and it did that too. So considering that I have no idea if I managed to move myself above the minimum system requirements, I'm pretty impressed with the performance increase anyway. I see a lot of whining and complaining in here about leet system requirements but I think I did OK and it only took 150 dollars and about an hour out of my day.
YK "He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day." |
Ya'aal Mathafaquaz
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.07 19:42:00 -
[212] - Quote
I am disappoint, because my toaster won't let me multibox the new specs. |
Galen Dnari
Fhloston Paradise E.Y
14
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Posted - 2013.07.09 14:31:00 -
[213] - Quote
RoAnnon wrote:Rees Noturana wrote:Unfortunately, my computer budget went into my son's new gaming rig. EVE sure does run sweet on that thing... I'm sorry to hear that. My philosophy is: If my son is old enough to play the kinds of games that require a "gaming rig" he's old enough to get a job and pay for it himself... :) Yeah. What's that parable about teaching men to fish? http://eveboard.com/ub/1939472205-31.png |
Galen Dnari
Fhloston Paradise E.Y
14
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Posted - 2013.07.09 14:48:00 -
[214] - Quote
Nak hak wrote: Honestly giving less than 30 days notice on a requirement change comes across as unprofessional. For anyone but a small game developer.
You - and others - make it sound like any computer that does not meet the new minimum recommended specs will cease to run Eve on July 10. CCP Explorer has repeatedly told you that is not the case. Perhaps you should listen to him. http://eveboard.com/ub/1939472205-31.png |
Galen Dnari
Fhloston Paradise E.Y
14
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Posted - 2013.07.09 14:53:00 -
[215] - Quote
David North wrote:It seems like some people are starting to panic.
Your system will still work. Wait till it stops working to start complaining about it. Where's the fun in that? http://eveboard.com/ub/1939472205-31.png |
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