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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.11.22 20:34:00 -
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I refuse to edit my post.
Get all the pie jokes in whilst you still have stomachs
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
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The Hooch
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Posted - 2005.11.22 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic I refuse to edit my post.
Get all the pie jokes in whilst you still have stomachs
Just so you know, I saw that and did manage to control myself just this once. Your a good sport Dianabolic... Cheers
Hooch, military and political guru, peacenik, Flame Baiter, BoB watcher, Fanboi, *****um, Thread Troll, Forum Warrior, Mister Star Trek, Captain Obvious and all'round loveable guy.
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DeClair
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Posted - 2005.11.22 20:52:00 -
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the end of every eve war is that one side cant buy new ships, so they have to stop till they get enough money. most time in this moment the alliance breaks into peaces and corps leave.
i think the alliance with the most money can stand every war till the other alliance is at the end. fight with mercs or not they only need the money to pay enough mercs instead of ships.
so, it seems that ISS is the strongest alliance in game, because they have the most money. they can destroy bob, because of all the money they have. so, bob should be carefull and there are some warnings given from ISS shareholders. maybe we will see the strongest pvp alliance die due to a war with the peacefulliest alliance like ISS.
it is really interesting !
- i am only a neutral mission runner, so i speak only for myself -
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CLEISTHENES2
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Posted - 2005.11.22 21:02:00 -
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Edited by: CLEISTHENES2 on 22/11/2005 21:02:11
Originally by: DeClair the end of every eve war is that one side cant buy new ships, so they have to stop till they get enough money. most time in this moment the alliance breaks into peaces and corps leave.
Rabble Rabble Rabble
- i am only a neutral mission runner, so i speak only for myself -
Maybe you should stick to running missions cos you haven;t got a clue...
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Archilies
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Posted - 2005.11.22 21:07:00 -
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blimey, gross misconduct, breach of contract, remind me of uni
I never forget a face, but in your case I'll be glad to make an exception
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Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2005.11.22 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: DeClair i think the alliance with the most money can stand every war till the other alliance is at the end. fight with mercs or not they only need the money to pay enough mercs instead of ships.
so, it seems that ISS is the strongest alliance in game, because they have the most money. they can destroy bob, because of all the money they have. so, bob should be carefull and there are some warnings given from ISS shareholders.
I doubt it. Although I agree that it would be interesting. But in the end I think it's better, if we don't see such a war. It might lead to a big chaos with probably a lot of parties involved. I think it's somehow possible that it would be rather become the end of ISS, because they are rather a lose aliance and trading corps usually don't like to be under fire. Or that they loose their neutral status and have to join one ore the other side to still keep some 0.0 access.
Not much to win in such a war except interesting daily news in these forums. ___________ 'DISCLAIMER: All opinions in this post are provided "as is" and without any warranties.' |
Kyguard
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Posted - 2005.11.22 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Kyguard on 22/11/2005 21:32:51
Quote: They supplied our enemies.
N.A.G.A. has been supplying your enemies with HACs and T2 items, might be time to go have one at them too...
Who knows, could justify a red alert security concern --
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DeathForMeh
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Posted - 2005.11.22 21:45:00 -
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Seems simple to me ISS violates contract, they fix the situation and do the best they can after **** has hit the fan. But so what its their bad if bob wants to be a hard-ass about it its there choice. -------------------------------------------- X I was here |
ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2005.11.22 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: ProphetGuru on 22/11/2005 22:14:42
Originally by: DeClair
i think the alliance with the most money can stand every war till the other alliance is at the end. fight with mercs or not they only need the money to pay enough mercs instead of ships.
so, it seems that ISS is the strongest alliance in game, because they have the most money.
I understand what you are trying to say, however this line of reasoning has been used by various corps and alliances since heh, beta... Evol and for that matter, many many other corps/alliances have shown this to be wrong multiple times.
ps. TheHooch Who's worked up? Nothing is personal here, I simply stated my opinion that your line of reasoning was full of holes. I also commented that the quality of the anti Bob propaganda, and anti Evol propaganda, is not where it used to be.
edit-spelling Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Shere Khaane
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Posted - 2005.11.22 22:38:00 -
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Please clarify, what exactly is the 'security issue' with some ISS pilots in BoB space?
Please, anyone with an interceptor can fly up there, map bookmarks, make safespots, and check local.
As for hauling things up, I seriously doubt it. Whats the point? To refit ships un-noticed you would need an entire POS, or risk docking in npc stations, where you can buy modules anyway. So...ammo caches, great, thats going to win a war.
Anyone who wants to take Delve and PB is going to need several frieghter's full of ships and POS's. NOT something that would go un-noticed in ANY alliance.
And to the person who said that everyone in this thread was blaming BoB, i suggest you re-read it. It's been literally ganked by BoB pilots. You guys might not be the kings of eve, but you're getting there on the forums
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Nuala Reece
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Posted - 2005.11.23 00:31:00 -
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Edited by: Nuala Reece on 23/11/2005 00:31:32
Originally by: The HoochPS
Molle, you broke the terms of your contract as well by not living up to the terms you agreed to for ending the relationship, unless you had the immediate termination thingy all ready in place, which appears you didn't.
You guys may be the best in PvP'rs and have great combat tactics in the game, but you lack in making commitments your willing to live up to, even if it costs you to live up to them.
Kind of the point I was making before I was lambasted for replying to an issue which was first raised by a BoB member (Yay for the art of reasoned inquiry and discussion ) I'm not questioning BoB's right to enforce their security in their claimed space, or to terminate agreements they have made - but pointing out the importance of reputation. BoB has a deserved reputation for being skilled fighters, but threads like this contribute to a growing reputation of arrogance which isn't helped by statements by some BoB pilots suggesting (or appearing to suggest) that they don't need to abide by the agreements they make.
Clearly there's more to this story than both sides are revealing, but BoB's reputation seems to be suffering the most - who will trust an agreement with BoB if the alliance develops a reputation of disregarding their agreements or not caring enough about them in the first place?
Maybe ISS needs to work at improving their internal security, but maybe BoB needs to work at paying more attention to the terms of the contracts they make so in future they can be ended between the involved parties without becoming a big public spectacle?
Be Free Starlancers
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Kahn Moquil
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Posted - 2005.11.23 00:42:00 -
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As a neutral observer in this, I fail to see what the fuss is all about. BoB and ISS had an agreement. Apparently ISS broke this agreement, by having security holes and thus allowing BoB's enemies to spy in their space. Then an ISS pilot opened fire on a BoB pilot. So what it looks like to me, is that ISS was the first to fail on the agreement, so whatever terms were there were null and void from that moment.
This 4 week notice that everyone keeps going on about, would apply if BoB wanted to terminate the agreement without their having been any other reason than that they didn't like the situation anymore. It meant nothing once ISS broke the agreement.
Ofcourse I don't have access to the exact wording of their deal, but anyway, this is what it looks like to me.
Now what this thread needs to become really interesting, is a bit of good old conspiracy theory. What if BoB didn't like the deal anymore, but were looking for a way to get out of it, without having to wait 4 weeks? They could've planted some alts in ISS, make it look like they were spying, and then to spice things up, have one of them engage a BoB pilot.
Not saying that's what happened, but this thread really needs a pinch of conspiracy
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Rukaz
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Posted - 2005.11.23 00:43:00 -
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First, I've said on another thread that I don't often post on these forums... well, more than a few beers down the neck and that goes to pot.
Second, I've flew against BoB and with BoB so I got a pretty good idea of what they are like and what they are not like.
Thirdly, as enemy or friend I'm yet to encounter a time BoB haven't kept their word.
Finally, if a contractor of BoB's is aiding terrorists its beyond gross misconduct. I'm surprised BoB didn't make IIS -10 on the spot. In fact, its a testament to BoB that they gave IIS time to withdraw at all.
Ruk
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Dog Nob
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Posted - 2005.11.23 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rukaz Finally, if a contractor of BoB's is aiding terrorists its beyond gross misconduct. I'm surprised BoB didn't make IIS -10 on the spot. In fact, its a testament to BoB that they gave IIS time to withdraw at all.
Ruk
ditto.
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Baun
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Posted - 2005.11.23 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rukaz
Thirdly, as enemy or friend I'm yet to encounter a time BoB haven't kept their word.
Does NO ONE remember when Evol made up a fake story about being shot at first (one that was disproven by their own killboards), entered Fountain to do some blue on blue pillaging (killed 50-60 people who had them set to blue and had done nothing to break any agreement) and then lied to ISS to promote their story as the truth?
To talk about them as if they are residents of an ivory tower is laughable. No one should be under this impression.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Romulus Maximus
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Posted - 2005.11.23 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kyguard Edited by: Kyguard on 22/11/2005 21:32:51
Quote: They supplied our enemies.
N.A.G.A. has been supplying your enemies with HACs and T2 items, might be time to go have one at them too...
NAGA dont have an arangement with BOB, to live in BOB space. NAGA dont fly frieghters into BOB space to supply our enemies.
Please stop taking stuff out of context.
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Furytham
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Posted - 2005.11.23 09:42:00 -
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is this still going on ??
it¦s a done deal..nothing you can do about it.
Go home...
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Furytham
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Posted - 2005.11.23 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: SirMolle
I guess this is true..
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Mextor
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Posted - 2005.11.23 10:10:00 -
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I have one thing to add to this, i personaly have seen ISS helping OSNAP's and BoB'S enemies when wars have been going on with other alliances.
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Shere Khaane
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Posted - 2005.11.23 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Romulus Maximus
Originally by: Kyguard Edited by: Kyguard on 22/11/2005 21:32:51
Quote: They supplied our enemies.
N.A.G.A. has been supplying your enemies with HACs and T2 items, might be time to go have one at them too...
NAGA dont have an arangement with BOB, to live in BOB space. NAGA dont fly frieghters into BOB space to supply our enemies.
Please stop taking stuff out of context.
My question still stands...how exactly can some alts in ISS get away with transporting freighters into Delve? And what purpose would it serve?
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Furytham
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Posted - 2005.11.23 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Shere Khaane
Originally by: Romulus Maximus
Originally by: Kyguard Edited by: Kyguard on 22/11/2005 21:32:51
Quote: They supplied our enemies.
N.A.G.A. has been supplying your enemies with HACs and T2 items, might be time to go have one at them too...
NAGA dont have an arangement with BOB, to live in BOB space. NAGA dont fly frieghters into BOB space to supply our enemies.
Please stop taking stuff out of context.
My question still stands...how exactly can some alts in ISS get away with transporting freighters into Delve? And what purpose would it serve?
cause they were blue under contract agreement ?!? hauling supplys for the enemy ?!?
just a logic conclusion !
Now...stop it. You don¦t need to know everything.
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Elfaen Ethenwe
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Posted - 2005.11.23 13:35:00 -
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lol @ iss being most powerful alliance ...
personally I would of made iss -10 and ganked them till they glow, then shot them in the dark
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.11.23 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: DeClair i think the alliance with the most money can stand every war till the other alliance is at the end. fight with mercs or not they only need the money to pay enough mercs instead of ships.
so, it seems that ISS is the strongest alliance in game, because they have the most money. they can destroy bob, because of all the money they have.
Whether this be right or wrong, there is no intent on the part of any of the ISS management to declare war on BoB, or to hire anybody else to do so. ISS has only ever, and will only ever, hire mercenaries to fight people who have declared war on *us*. We have no interest in initiating hostilities; as an alliance that needs friends with which to work, why would we?
The issue here is not that the ISS, *as an alliance*, was conducting anti-BoB activities in their space; if it were, BoB would have gone to war with us on the spot,, I'm sure. It's one of security, in that there were alts gaining access and doing so. Security holes, we can attempt to plug, and any advice from BoB on how to do so would be welcomed.
The point about the Marginis outpost is a general one, and not intended as a threat to BoB. ISS is not a PvP alliance, as everyone well knows; a large part of the Marginis outpost defence plan is that it's part-owned by a number of people who *are* PvP alliances, and they wouldn't want to see their investment taken over by pirate groups and random gankers. I don't think BoB count as either type.
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FowlPlayChiken
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Posted - 2005.11.23 15:17:00 -
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any of that pie left?
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.11.23 16:01:00 -
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I ate all the pies.
Baldour - one of the key things you guys can do to secure your alliance against alt abuse is to move people away from areas they may have enemies and / or desire to have a "blue square" around them to aid in their spying.
You should also insist on pilots that have references from people that you trust.
Above all, however, due to the unique nature of your alliance, you should have an alliance police force and make sure that each corp has a member with the responsibility for ensuring that they are not being "used" by people to the detriment of themselves OR your alliance.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
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Righteous Fury
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Posted - 2005.11.23 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Shere Khaane My question still stands...how exactly can some alts in ISS get away with transporting freighters into Delve? And what purpose would it serve?
Transporting ships, modules, and ammunition from empire to NPC stations in Delve for VC and IMP to work out of. It's really quite simple.
And post with your main.
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Hellraiza666
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Posted - 2005.11.23 16:04:00 -
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omg bob made a breach of a game contract, i will see u in court
seriously, its a game, shoot who ever the **** u want --------------------------------------------
In War There Are No Runners Up...
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2005.11.23 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Spaja Saist Everyone knows BOB is full of egomaniacal sociopaths.
your point ?
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.11.23 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Spaja Saist Everyone knows BOB is full of egomaniacal sociopaths.
Weird it didn't work well between them and me then
Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
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Kunming
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Posted - 2005.11.23 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Wrok ISS JUST DOES"NT WANNA BE TARGETS THEY JUST WANT MONEY AND AREAS THEY FEEL SAFE IN WELL AHAHAHAHA TAKE LIKE A MAN? OR IN THIS CASE A CHARACTER!!
Shm, you need a chill-pill?
Lmao, I heard valium helps ^^
Anyway gotta love BoB dont u all agree?
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