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Zxion	Posted - 2006.01.01 01:25:00 - [301] So.. the games creators sell ISK. WHERE does this ISK come from? It just magically appears? Inflation anybody? I know someone who bought 75mil ISK for 18 us dollars. Even if you had a minimum wage job, $5.15 an hour, it would be far better to you to work overtime than ever play Eve. But, at least this purchase didn't affect the economy terribly. SOMEONE mined it, some farmer somewhere. It wasn't just spawned. It didn't artificially inflate the economy. Its a terrible idea to link real life economy with in game economy.
Stern Maxwell	Posted - 2006.01.01 02:49:00 - [302] Ever play SWG Deja? Naritus? KSF?
Saul Thrace	Posted - 2006.01.01 03:16:00 - [303] I can't believe this is even being discussed... Game items/isk for rl cash is the very reason I quit EQ2. Please keep ideas like that one for yourself next time! -- Saul Thrace
Dotar Sojat	Posted - 2006.01.01 04:06:00 - [304] Quote: Thats RL money that could be swelling CCP's coffers. In fact quite the opposite happens atm, its placing strain on their resources. Petitions have to be invetigated, mineral prices crash so newbs have to work harder to earn ISK and so on. Quote: Advantages of this system - It puts the money in CCP's pocket and not the macroers. They can improve the game with this money. - Done properly, with a sliding "cost of ISK" - it will kill macroers. Put simply, CCP can do this more cheaply. - This is a game. Demand for ISK has proven that the "golden ratio" is wrong atm. Hell, gimme a crow for $2 and I can pvp for a few hours instead of renting a dvd. All valid points imho, if CCP had been handling all of this as well as character sales In-Game from the start there wouldn't even be an issue with macro-miners or character sales on ebay. As far as I'm concerned CCP should put it's lawyers on ebays ass for allowing sales of EVE items and characters, that is clearly stated in the eula as being illegal. Ebay wouldn't want to sell pirated dvd's so why anything else that is "protected"? Personally I'd prefer to see this game in a virtual reality, stay in a virtual reality. But as the saying goes "there's always one bad apple in every bunch"...
Berious	Posted - 2006.01.01 04:24:00 - [305] Edited by: Berious on 01/01/2006 04:33:28 Edited by: Berious on 01/01/2006 04:31:13 Awwww hell naw. Your cure is much worse than the illness. CCP approved isk/item/whatever selling would make the practice ubiquitous. However if they punished people who BOUGHT isk with perma-bans that might really reduce demand. A macro miner doesn't care about his trail or purely for $$$ young account. But Joe Iskbuyer might think twice about putting his 10 mil SP character on the line. You'd have to make isk transfer to trail accounts impossible to stop easy laundering too though. If they are actually banning isk buyers they need to talk about it.
sci0gon	Posted - 2006.01.01 06:06:00 - [306] Originally by: Deja Thoris EVE has no bugs!!!! lol joker this game has more bugs then my back garden
ladylex	Posted - 2006.01.01 20:31:00 - [307] As long as CCP continues to place the majority of new content out of the financial reach of the average player, or lock it up in the amazing Tech II monopoly, the farming for minerals and the secondary market for ISK will continue to grow exponentially, in spite of our best efforts.
Kyozoku	Posted - 2006.01.01 20:41:00 - [308] Edited by: Kyozoku on 01/01/2006 20:42:11 double post
Kyozoku	Posted - 2006.01.01 20:41:00 - [309] Worst idea ever.
phillip duncan	Posted - 2006.01.01 21:43:00 - [310] Earlier today I checked the market for basic mineral sell orders and compare them to the referance priced listed in the Eve website item database. market price Eve website price Isogen 116 128 Mexallon 14.5 32 Pyerite 4.6 8 Tritanium 1.5 2 This are were the rough avarge pricesin essense. There was even sell orders below the 1 isk per unit price for a couple of k's of minerals. If the marco miners/isk farms continue there main customer will start to be CCP via NPC buy orders as they are almost at that price know. As it stand mining the basic building block of all the toys in Eve is no longer profitable. I made more money having one account running Semi AFK level 2 cargo missions in half the time with two accounts mining in high sec (one mining and the other a dedicated hauler). The system I was in have 11 macrominers/isk farmers that have been reported, this was over a third of the "people" in local.
Biggie Smalls	Posted - 2006.01.12 10:08:00 - [311] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: babyblue Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Stuff you want in the game, you should earn, IN THE GAME. So true, but hopelessly deluded. The black market already exists. Should CCP spend ever more resources on trying to defeat it (it can never be defeated) or should they go with the flow and allow it to happen, only control it? I've played games wherey you can buy the best stuff for IRL cash. If it happens to EVE, I'm gone. It'd be a complete waste of time me even trying to compete. You should have quit long ago as people have been ebaying eve ever since this game came out.
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.01.12 10:17:00 - [312] If ccp fully introduced that it would lose a LOT of players including me... even though the timecard thing has made me come close a few times... Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful
Sitri	Posted - 2006.01.15 15:37:00 - [313] I just wanna know, is it ok to buy these timecards and then sell them for isk on the sell forums for the purpose of getting isk quickly?
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.01.15 15:41:00 - [314] Originally by: ParMizaN If ccp fully introduced that it would lose a LOT of players including me... even though the timecard thing has made me come close a few times... me too and btw, ytf is this thread still alive?
Sitri	Posted - 2006.01.15 15:46:00 - [315] I just saw the sticky in the sell section linking to this post so I was curious. Still need an answer to my question pls
ALUN	Posted - 2006.01.15 16:37:00 - [316] Edited by: ALUN on 15/01/2006 16:38:50 Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Tiny Carlos Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Maderda Kuhal I have a much better, fun idea. It's obvious who the isk farmers are. They don't try to hide. Groups mining in a belt, most having the same ship, all belong to npc corps, all about the same birth date. So, if CCP would just let us declare against people in npc corps the problem would be solved. Blow them up, they get new stuff, blow them up they get new stuff. It would be like shooting npc rats. Please keep to the topic and keep stupid (yes stupid) ideas out of here. Your idea is a newbie griefers wet dream. I don't think you should be so quick to call other people ideas stupid, not with this thread to your name. I'm sorry, you contributed what? Why is it stupid? I named valid benefits. 1) more profit for CCP 2) More fun for players 3) Macroers a thing of the past. Name me the downsides please? Deja , i think the only thing that will be true in ur 3 valid benefits is number 3) 2) = NO NO definatly not, maybe for you and about 5% of the whole eve players. This would lead to players LEAVING EVE myself included, so that would make number 1) false. and number 3) would be correct as there would be hardly any players left in Eve to warrent these big MM operations ------------------------------------------ You are trying to post to a locked thread CONCORD has been notified
M3ta7h3ad	Posted - 2006.01.15 16:38:00 - [317] Originally by: Sitri I just saw the sticky in the sell section linking to this post so I was curious. Still need an answer to my question pls Yes. You can exchange real money for isk using timecards. Infact you will get CRAP loads of isk for a timecard :) For little effort at all, and its all kosher according to the EULA. Mainly because CCP appear to be blind to the issue. ----- Memorable Quotes <Jarltan Dimtras> OH MY GOD MY GF IS A DUDE
Sitri	Posted - 2006.01.15 16:58:00 - [318] Isn't that a bit insert questionable language up?
Galk	Posted - 2006.01.15 17:18:00 - [319] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: ParMizaN If ccp fully introduced that it would lose a LOT of players including me... even though the timecard thing has made me come close a few times... me too and btw, ytf is this thread still alive? So you both will departing for newer pastures then The timecards for isk is what this is all about. If i were short and plain stupid, id just bill my credit card for a timecode, sell it and go for a jaunt. I can do that btw, not that i ever would. ______ 862 buses later, galks back on the road again:)
Vedz	Posted - 2006.01.31 18:19:00 - [320] Edited by: Vedz on 31/01/2006 18:26:15 meh
Geanina	Posted - 2006.01.31 20:14:00 - [321] Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 22/11/2005 12:02:21 Here's what I'd do: 1)No More GTC's for ISK, RLC only. U serios? some of us live in poor countries (east europe). 15$ is pretty much in my country so the only way i can keep playing is by buying ETC with isk. If ur that rich pay me my subscription and i'll vote for what u said.
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2006.01.31 22:19:00 - [322] "Ever tried playing chess against someone who just takes your queen off the board because he's richer than you are? Stuff you want in the game, you should earn, IN THE GAME. " Terrible analogy. It is like saying well you ever play chess vs someone who just takes your queen off the board because sat in thier basement staring at the board for 275 hours ( ie time spent farming isk on thier own) The OP is right on the mark reality is people are buying ISK already PERIOD, it is causing in game economic reprocussions ALREADY, the only real question is do you want the ISK farmers ruining the enviroment you play in, and do you prefer the money made from these sales going to the company who developed the game so some can be used to improve the game or do you prefer it go to sweat shop owners in xxx 3rd world country. IMHO this is the classic little *** story line. I am am some poor kid who can play all day ( aka I have a small * ) and this allows me to feel like I have a large *! noone else is allowed to see i really have a small pecker so the answer to showering in public will always be no!!! look get over it, it all comes down to time, either spending the time in your computer room grinding on a stupid video game, or spending time at work grinding out a paycheck. If you can't see they are the same crap different piles it is really your problem noone elses. If you fight a guy in a BS who grinded the ISK to buy it running missions or paid some RL cash for it on ebay your STILL FIGHTING A GUY IN A BS PERIOD, stop whining, stop looking for excuses for getting beat, just man up and maybe some day your ******* will drop like the rest of the mature males in the world. Once you understand this is a game, and ment to be fun and that you will fight people with xxx items or equipment regardless of how they got it, be a gift from a friend, buying isk on ebay, or sitting in a dark room for days grinding out isk on thier own you will have the self confidence to accept all of the above. If you got low self esteem and want to use a stupid video game to make you feel uber that you devote your life to then you wont accept buying ISK end of the story it is as simple as that. Same story different characters still comes down to boys whine and cry men don't, so buck up kid time to grow up a little.
Daivasth	Posted - 2006.01.31 22:24:00 - [323] i agree with hippo, wth is this still alive? anywayz, my 2 cents: we play eve to get away from the real world for a bit. u wanna see what imbalance of money is? go to long island in USA and look at the houses... u want to see what buying a battleship for $15 is? look at how much it costs to support a child in africa for a month. the real world should not have such a large impact on eve. sure, people will buy timecards and sell them for isk, but thats benefiting some people who r able to play this game longer without having to stress their real live wallets.
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2006.01.31 23:28:00 - [324] "Kieron, is there any way that the player base can help other then reporting them ?" I think that is partly the solution CCP are looking for, which was prolly a main force driving the recent can flagging rule, it gave players a tool to help deter or police macro miners, however I think the playerbase requires a few more toolsets still.
riprjak	Posted - 2006.02.01 02:26:00 - [325] Originally by: Deja Thoris Time = RL cash. People could sue anyway, its not a hard connection to make. Service provided = Service paid for. You could only sue if CCP denied you access during the period you paid for without compensation; ignoring discussions for and against the EULA, which could further compilcate. Time spend playing a game <> RL cash IF you have explicity paid to spend the time on that form of entertainment (we paid for our month/quarter/half year/year worth of access to the entertainment content and we recieved it). If you pay to see a movie and it stops half way through, you are only entitled to the ticket price back, not compensation for your time. Can I bill a publisher for the time I spent reading the magazine I subscribe to?? Can I bill CCP for my time spent online?? NO!! yet this is what you are saying. People, please, CCP owe us NOTHING MORE than access to the enternatinment content we paid for, nothing else. Frankly considering the technical limitations of the feat they are attempting and the MASSIVE increase in users, they are doing a bloody good job. I think I may have mentioned how this fallacious logic is getting on my bloody nerves. The only way this arguement holds water is if CCP pay US to play eve. THEN our time is worth RL money. Then again it seems to me that a gold farmer might hold this distorted attitude since these lowlives DO trade their time for RL cash so lazy people can avoid enjoying the content for which they have paid to access. /exhales.... sorry, I realise ranting is verboten... sometimes a vent is needed. err! jak.
Brolly	Posted - 2006.02.01 03:39:00 - [326] Hmmm, the 'eve is not project enrtopia' is a bit obvious, they are both completely different games. For starters, project entropia is BASED (kinda) on rl cash for ig items, ig atems can also be sold for rl cash. Also the genre is pretty differnet too, game mechanics and the rest of it. Project entropia isn't bad because of it's game/life dealing, it's bad because it's a crap game (imho), also you are pushed to buy items as you can't do much else without it. Eve on the other hand...so far we have rl cash for timecards which is nifty. This keeps players in the game whilst another trades their cash into iskies, sweet :). The main problem with this atm is that CCP have no cap on how much people can sell per month which lands people in trouble with banned accounts. On this note a clear line should be drawn to save any confusion and banned accounts. Ok, now we have game items for cash. The plus side to this would be people could turn their hobby into a job, people with jobs could pay for their hobbies. Nice. Unfortunately what you also have here is people who don't play the game, they don't 'know' eve. Part of this game is making, or attaining what you want from work ingame. If you start getting people buying ingame items you pretty much ruin what eve is. The old cliche of risk vs reward will now be 'overtime = reward' I would really like to be able to sell evestuffs for cash but when that starts happening eve will loose it's vibe and will become a shell of what it currently is. p.s. Didn't read past the first page as i'm too lazy
ChironV	Posted - 2006.02.02 07:00:00 - [327] Concept of a "game time bank" would give CCP an opportunity to remove the ebay isk problem. On one hand you have people with alot of time to "invest" in the game and have the time to create enormous wealth or corporate power. On the other hand you have people with RL obligations (kids, multiple jobs, or whatnot) who will never have the time to "invest" in Eve but would pay CCP for some isk. A central ingame bank or web based bank could be created to allow a player with multi-billions to turn in a set amount of isk for a 30 or 90 day timecode. With the isk in the bank another player can purchase it from ccp using RL funds at an exchange rate. X amount of isk equals X amount of play time, while X amount of RL funds equal X amount of isk. A player who can spend 23-7 playing can fund his playtime free, for all intents and purposes, by putting isk in the "gametime bank". How can ccp argue against players paying ccp to buy other players game time. Since the only thing that is purchased and transfered is GAME TIME the companies like IGE lose their cash cow. I ask question to all you players who loathe the idea of cash for isk. Would you hate people buying isk with RL funds if it meant you could buy game time with your isk.... Right now Time codes are the closest thing to a time bank we have. However it is not structured and has minimal ccp involvement. CCP could step up to the plate and make more money for itself and rid itself of the RL pirates. ________________________________________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion,
Ju'rek	Posted - 2006.02.04 15:06:00 - [328] Edited by: Ju''rek on 04/02/2006 15:07:28 I would just like to point out (like some before me) that for some people it IS difficult to purchase a timecard when the costs of playing the game ammount to 1/3 your monthly income (i.e. 100 day card = 1 month income). In my case it is just like that and furthermore in this country there is only one store selling the Timecards and thus they have high prices and they only have 50 day cards. Aside to that i also have no means to purchase stuff online. And I enjoy playing eve alot, so it does not bother me if I am not a billionare , but rather have a couple of hunderd million ISK, if i can play the game with no impact to my RL wallet. I would agree to some limit to the number of cards sold or something, but i ask u to take into consideration poorer but very enthused players like me.
Lividicus	Posted - 2006.02.04 16:01:00 - [329] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Deja Thoris Valid proposal or downtime delusions? Downtime delusion. Ever played Entropia? EVE is not Entropia. Thank ******* god. OMFG that game is awful.
Treg Valar	Posted - 2006.02.04 18:43:00 - [330] I am against this idea because it would mean players who are better off in RL would get a huge advantage ingame. Everyone should get an equal chance.

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