Condors have been killing much more expensive stuff for a good while now.

I started reading and I gave up.

Problem, even if the new player had the skills they wouldn't have the ISK to support the ship.

IF a new player really wants the skills,ship and the ISK all they need is RL cash.

Sell plex's and buy a character.
Problem solved.

Still say you should be forced to change the name of a character when you purchase it.

Condors use Missiles and they work different from Gun's.

They are able to take things one from a great distance.

I see what your getting at but I don't want to fly those ships I want to fly what I am flying and still want to be just as effective.

They're short. The problem is that you're trying to push for far higher levels than you need as a new player. You've fallen in the GÇ£all to VGÇ¥ trap GÇö one that leads you nowhere, and very fast. As a new player, you should be looking at getting the most bang for your buck, which generally entails training to III or (occasionally) IV.

There is no such thing as a T1 interceptor, for starters. For another, that's the mistake you make: you try to go up against a poorly matched opponent. One of the skills you need to learn is how to spot a fight: what can you win against? What will cause problems? What is GÇ£impossibleGÇ¥? How do you work around these problems with what you've got?

So no. You don't need those things. You need the player skill to pick the right target at the right time. Waiting around for your SP to grow will only ever make you worse at that (and, again, make you lose your ISK when you incorrecly decide that you're ready just because you've passed some arbitrary SP checkpoint).

Oh, and if you actually want to kill stuff rather than just capture them, interceptors is probably the wrong thing to aim forGǪ

Rockets do not take things out from a great distance.

Light Missile Do.

So use damps.

Yes you do, T2 ammo is meant for PVP and it is superior to T1 ammunition.

In an interceptor it can mean the difference between fighting at 5,000m or 16km and doing alot more damage.

To fit the ship the way it needs to be fit, I need Electronics 5 which I am working on, Weapons upgrades 5 because I need to use the T2 guns so I can use the T2 ammo and well I already have Engineering 5. Getting the fitting space isn't a short train it's probably over a month.

Yes You need these skills 5 so you can fit the ships proper. Yes you need the T2 guns to be of any use to anyone including yourself in player vs player.

Yes I really want to get into PVP, killing NPC's it not fun for me or my friends. You might like killing NPC's but that is you.

They aren't short short is one hour not weeks.

I have not fallen in anything.
If you want to fly at max speed you need navigation 5
If you want to dodge and have as much agility as possible

So I don't understand how you can say you don't need 5

I wasn't asking how to counter them simply pointing out to you that light missile exist after your comment about how Rockets are only short range which I already knew.

So a player in a T1 interceptor with t1 gun systems is going to beat out a player using the same fit with T2 gun systems?

No

So yes you do need those things.

I want to PVP but in order to even have a chance I need to have T2 Weapons and even then I need the CPU and power gird to equip them in a way where I could actually do something which takes so much time months, its a frigate why do I need to wait that long just to dive into the meat of the game and actually have a chance?

Huh... I guess those guys ganking everybody and their brother in cheap destroyers with cheap weapons are just doing it wrong. I mean, their targets are dead, they have the killmails, but I guess it didn't really work?

And why do you think that everybody out there is going to be a 10 year old vet flying a T1 frigate?

Most everybody is going to either be new or learning in a t1 frig.

I will admit I don't know what I am doing, I am just making educated guesses as to what works and what doesn't based on trail and error on my part.

But apparently I am wrong...


So....

Who has a suggestion for me that will help me learn and get me on track?

I always judge things from the worst possible scenario and work from there.

In this case me in a frigate running into a 10 year old player who is bored in a frigate.

Almost every video game I can think of will result in you getting stomped by a 10 year old vet on your first week of playing.

Its just how it is.

Start fighting carebears and industrial pilots, no matter how "vet" they are.. they still blow at PvP. A few days of research and a good gameplan will make you win.

Otherwise go join a pvp group that is willing to take you in, but to do that you might need to change your attitude a bit.

I will admit I don't know what I am doing, I am just making educated guesses as to what works and what doesn't based on trail and error on my part.

But apparently I am wrong...


So....

Who has a suggestion for me that will help me learn and get me on track?

Where are these kill mails? I mean if your going to be an ******* and not help me out then why even post?

get evemon (and EFT) if you haven't already and make a reasonable skill plan based on the certificates, core, defense etc. EFT will help you adjust fits to your skill level and also you can import fits into evemon and it'll make you a pre-req skill queue.

evemon can adjust training times for your remap and implants, show you what you get for the time and whether it's worthwhile. EFT can show you roughly what your tank and DPS will do and you can see what all skill V will do to your ship stats compared to your character.

Where are these kill mails? I mean if your going to be an ******* and not help me out then why even post?