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Swiftstrike1
Interfector INC.
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Posted - 2013.06.22 21:45:00 -
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This is regarding the vertical sync option in the client. When V-sync is disabled (interval immediate) my FPS is in the hundreds. I don't have the most powerful system, in fact its several years old so this makes me very happy. However, these miraculous frame rates cause my GPU to run at 100% all the time which makes it hot and loud. The noise detracts from the gaming experience and the heat is not healthy for the hardware.
When V-sync is enabled (interval one) the FPS is maxed out at your monitors refresh rate. (Any higher is a waste of graphics processing power since your monitor can't display it fast enough anyway). The GPU usage is much lower and my own GPU temperature is approx 10 degrees lower after an extended playing session. The fan is consequently much quieter. The downside is that the FPS "spikes" down to below 25 at demanding times and these stutters also detract from the gaming experience.
With the v-sync off, those low points still happen, but they are higher than the monitor refresh rate and therefore go unnoticed, but the GPU is hot and loud all the time.
Would it be possible to add an option to cap the FPS at an intermediate value (say, 150 FPS) such that a smooth gameplay experience is preserved and the client doesn't tax the GPU 100% all the time? I don't know of any monitors that have a refresh rate that high so there would be no performance hit to people getting FPS higher than that, but their GPUs would appreciate it! If you're not getting that much FPS then the cap won't make any difference at all.
In short, it would be healthier for graphics cards and have no downside. Thoughts? |
Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
Free 2 Play
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Posted - 2013.06.23 08:55:00 -
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you want to ask in the "Issues, Workarrounds & Localisation" forums.
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Nari Neya
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2013.06.23 10:51:00 -
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Swiftstrike1 wrote:This is regarding the vertical sync option in the client. When V-sync is disabled (interval immediate) my FPS is in the hundreds. I don't have the most powerful system, in fact its several years old so this makes me very happy.
Happy? Oh, right. Ignorance is often confused as happiness.
Quote:However, these miraculous frame rates cause my GPU to run at 100% all the time which makes it hot and loud.
What else you expect, when you let GPU work non-stop, calculating frames noone would see?...
Quote:The noise detracts from the gaming experience and the heat is not healthy for the hardware.
Good that you know it. Now, you know the solution?
Quote:When V-sync is enabled (interval one) the FPS is maxed out at your monitors refresh rate. (Any higher is a waste of graphics processing power since your monitor can't display it fast enough anyway). The GPU usage is much lower and my own GPU temperature is approx 10 degrees lower after an extended playing session. The fan is consequently much quieter. The downside is that the FPS "spikes" down to below 25 at demanding times and these stutters also detract from the gaming experience.
You know, what? I've played at 17FPS for several years. That never "detracted" from my "gaming experience", as you would put it.
Bottom line: Disabling V-Sync is only warranted, when you test GPU performance. |
Swiftstrike1
Interfector INC.
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Posted - 2013.06.23 18:12:00 -
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You're happy with 17 FPS? You have much to learn, grasshopper :) |
Nari Neya
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2013.06.23 21:44:00 -
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Having nothing better to say, you resorted to personal insults. I wasn't expecting anything better, judging by your first post. |
Swiftstrike1
Interfector INC.
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Posted - 2013.06.24 12:28:00 -
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In the absence of some way to do this in-game, I found a 3rd party program that can cap the FPS of any game you might play at any value you choose. It's called Dxtory and I've included some links below:
Description (Steam forums)
Download and Install Guide (Youtube video)
Once installed, FPS is capped on the "Advanced" tab. Tick the box at the very bottom to enable the feature and input the value you choose in the field next to it. |
Magnet Trade
Magnet Construction Ltd
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Posted - 2013.06.27 19:12:00 -
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Nari Neya wrote:Swiftstrike1 wrote:This is regarding the vertical sync option in the client. When V-sync is disabled (interval immediate) my FPS is in the hundreds. I don't have the most powerful system, in fact its several years old so this makes me very happy. Happy? Oh, right. Ignorance is often confused as happiness. Quote:However, these miraculous frame rates cause my GPU to run at 100% all the time which makes it hot and loud. What else you expect, when you let GPU work non-stop, calculating frames noone would see?... Quote:The noise detracts from the gaming experience and the heat is not healthy for the hardware. Good that you know it. Now, you know the solution? Quote:When V-sync is enabled (interval one) the FPS is maxed out at your monitors refresh rate. (Any higher is a waste of graphics processing power since your monitor can't display it fast enough anyway). The GPU usage is much lower and my own GPU temperature is approx 10 degrees lower after an extended playing session. The fan is consequently much quieter. The downside is that the FPS "spikes" down to below 25 at demanding times and these stutters also detract from the gaming experience. You know, what? I've played at 17FPS for several years. That never "detracted" from my "gaming experience", as you would put it. Bottom line: Disabling V-Sync is only warranted, when you test GPU performance.
What a complete ****!
I also found that by playing at the highest grahics settings (except aa) that my old system using a ATI 4770 card runs smoother than running it on the lowest setting where I get stupidly high frame rates and a hot GPU and CPU |
Nari Neya
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2013.06.28 00:07:00 -
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Magnet Trade wrote:I also found that by playing at the highest grahics settings (except aa) that my old system using a ATI 4770 card runs smoother than running it on the lowest setting where I get stupidly high frame rates and a hot GPU and CPU
Enable VSync, and properly assign active monitor. And your "stupidly high" framerates will be gone. |
Karen Akagai
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.29 09:45:00 -
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Swiftstrike1 wrote:With the v-sync off, those low points still happen, but they are higher than the monitor refresh rate [...]
If they were higher than the monitor refresh rate, you'd still get a number of frames per second identical to the monitor's refresh rate with vsync enabled.
What you are seeing is probably a situation where the time necessary to render each frame drops slightly below the monitor's refresh rate (i.e., your monitor runs at 60 Hz and each frame is taking a little over 1/60th of a second to render), which means the vsync option delays the update for (almost) a full cycle, and so you suddenly drop from 60 FPS to 30 FPS (and then to 20, and then to 15, and so on - although the average might not be such a neat number, if it's oscillating between two of those timings).
And yes, decoupling the frame rate limiter from vsync would be nice, as would also be having an option to set "foreground FPS" and "background FPS" separately. Currently Eve renders 0 fps in the background if it's in full screen mode (which saves resources but causes some bugs) and full FPS in the background if it's in windowed mode (which puts unnecessary load on the GPU, especially with multiple clients). Several other MMOs have had this option for years.
P.S. - There are monitors with refresh rates over 200 Hz, BTW (though not very common, since most graphics cards aren't really designed to do more than 120 Hz, and even that only in stereo 3D mode). |
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