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De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1617
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Posted - 2013.06.24 20:08:00 -
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Maybelater Headache wrote:CCP was able to patch the client without that launcher iirc.
Yes they were, and the patching process was buggy, crashed, and corrupted clients for lost of players multiple times. The launcher makes that process a lot less painful for most people, resulting in more time spent playing and less time spent downloading the client -- again.
Just because something works doesn't mean it's optimal. Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative Trans-Stellar Industries
413
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Posted - 2013.06.24 20:10:00 -
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Maybelater Headache wrote:CCP was able to patch the client without that launcher iirc.
If you were like me, though, the patches failed about 25% of the time and I had to reinstall at least two separate clients once a month or so.
I understand that not everyone see's how this launcher is a godsend. But I'm dancing a ******* jig over here. If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that? |
Maybelater Headache
Republic University Minmatar Republic
57
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Posted - 2013.06.24 20:21:00 -
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I-¦ve never experienced these issues. Anyway, the launcher doesn-¦t seem to work perfectly considering the complaints one can find in the forums. Hopefully this will be fixed sooner or later. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1617
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Posted - 2013.06.24 20:26:00 -
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Maybelater Headache wrote:I-¦ve never experienced these issues. Anyway, the launcher doesn-¦t seem to work perfectly considering the complaints one can find in the forums. Hopefully this will be fixed sooner or later.
Making a piece of software work perfectly is a technological impossibility unless the developer can also control the hardware, down to the part numbers, as well as the tech refreshes of the client, and can therefore optimize for one specific hardware configuration.
Even then, you're at the mercy of the internet.
The launcher provides greater patch flexibility and lower mean downtime for clients during the patching process. As that was it's intended purpose, I call it a success. Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Maybelater Headache
Republic University Minmatar Republic
57
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Posted - 2013.06.24 20:45:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote: Making a piece of software work perfectly is a technological impossibility unless the developer can also control the hardware, down to the part numbers, as well as the tech refreshes of the client, and can therefore optimize for one specific hardware configuration.
Even then, you're at the mercy of the internet.
The launcher provides greater patch flexibility and lower mean downtime for clients during the patching process. As that was it's intended purpose, I call it a success.
I didn-¦t talk about perfection as far as i can remember, but thanks for the lecture. My personal experience is the patching process does last significantly longer than before. I probably have to accept this is not of any relevance because i am not a programmer, though. |
Revman Zim
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
155
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Posted - 2013.06.24 20:46:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Maybelater Headache wrote:I-¦ve never experienced these issues. Anyway, the launcher doesn-¦t seem to work perfectly considering the complaints one can find in the forums. Hopefully this will be fixed sooner or later. Making a piece of software work perfectly is a technological impossibility unless the developer can also control the hardware, down to the part numbers, as well as the tech refreshes of the client, and can therefore optimize for one specific hardware configuration. Even then, you're at the mercy of the internet. The launcher provides greater patch flexibility and lower mean downtime for clients during the patching process. As that was it's intended purpose, I call it a success.
^^ SPOT ON. |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
575
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Posted - 2013.06.24 21:11:00 -
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+1 to quick fixes.
I'll take the very minor inconvenience of small, frequent updates over living with a bug for months until CCP's next big release.
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative Trans-Stellar Industries
413
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Posted - 2013.06.24 21:20:00 -
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Maybelater Headache wrote:De'Veldrin wrote: Making a piece of software work perfectly is a technological impossibility unless the developer can also control the hardware, down to the part numbers, as well as the tech refreshes of the client, and can therefore optimize for one specific hardware configuration.
Even then, you're at the mercy of the internet.
The launcher provides greater patch flexibility and lower mean downtime for clients during the patching process. As that was it's intended purpose, I call it a success.
I didn-¦t talk about perfection as far as i can remember, but thanks for the lecture. My personal experience is the patching process does last significantly longer than before. I probably have to accept this is not of any relevance because i am not a programmer, though.
So far, the complaints I've heard have been about wanting the old themed login screens to return, and frustration due to the issue with trying to launch multiple accounts/clients/windows (which I had issues with before, which is why I have multiple guaranteed clients, and which I've solved by having multiple guaranteed clients that must use separate launchers).
Now, there ARE more updates then there once were. But I think that's just CCP using the more streamlined process to it's fullest. If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that? |
QuakeGod
Empire Manufacturing
23
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Posted - 2013.06.24 21:35:00 -
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I'm glad they are getting the bugs worked out, but they should have done that on the test server before they rolled out the expansion.
10 patches in 20 days since the Odyssey update? That's a bit much. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
505
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Posted - 2013.06.24 21:42:00 -
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TheButcherPete wrote:Tixam Quri wrote:My launcher loads each new patch before I can finish typing my PW...
I don't see a problem here. You wouldn't if you had really nice internet. For people who don't live in a developed (lol) area, like the US, dialup is still an option ;) taking 3 hours to download 35mb is kind of painful on my gameplay.
Online games are a pain in the ass on 56k. News at 11. |
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
505
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Posted - 2013.06.24 21:45:00 -
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QuakeGod wrote:I'm glad they are getting the bugs worked out, but they should have done that on the test server before they rolled out the expansion.
10 patches in 20 days since the Odyssey update? That's a bit much.
Every MMO I played does this. The test server rarely gets all the bugs because the player base is too small with limited time. Once the full playerbase gets on the new code, more stuff out of whack are spotted and results in hot-fixes. Getting ALL the bugs worked out on the test server would probably mean many months in a test phase likely pushing the 2 expansion a year schedule to one every year with the same amount of content. |
Anubis Joringer
Hot Caldari Babes
18
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Posted - 2013.06.24 21:47:00 -
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I completely agree. I would much rather deal with bugs for weeks at a time then download a massive file at the end of the month than wait a few extra seconds to log in every couple of days. |
Invisusira
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
175
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Posted - 2013.06.24 22:28:00 -
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I really hate it when they release fixes and updates right away instead of waiting for three weeks for random bugs to be squashed.
So annoying! Core Skills - train em up train em up! |
45thtiger 0109
SYNDROME OF A DOWN The Mockers AO
10
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Posted - 2013.06.24 23:45:00 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:Really - You are asking the DEVs to stop fixing the game. You people are never fu@king happy.
Also - LOL @ the DEVs answer to your stupidity.
I agree with THIS quote.
If CCP stops fixing the game people will complain and if the are fixing the game people complain.
Please make up your minds what do you really want a stable working game or a game that has lots of bugs.
I prefer a working stable game and the launcher works as intended.
So please stop bickering and play the game as intended.
BTW i am not a CCP employee i just having my input as a player to this forum. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1623
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Posted - 2013.06.25 13:36:00 -
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Maybelater Headache wrote:De'Veldrin wrote: Making a piece of software work perfectly is a technological impossibility unless the developer can also control the hardware, down to the part numbers, as well as the tech refreshes of the client, and can therefore optimize for one specific hardware configuration.
Even then, you're at the mercy of the internet.
The launcher provides greater patch flexibility and lower mean downtime for clients during the patching process. As that was it's intended purpose, I call it a success.
I didn-¦t talk about perfection as far as i can remember,
Then your memory is extremely short. Your post that I replied to started like this:
Maybelater Headache wrote:I-¦ve never experienced these issues. Anyway, the launcher doesn-¦t seem to work perfectly considering the complaints one can find in the forums. Hopefully this will be fixed sooner or later.
Maybelater Headache wrote:launcher doesn-¦t seem to work perfectly
If you didn't mean perfectly, then say what you mean.
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
QuakeGod
Empire Manufacturing
24
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Posted - 2013.06.25 15:57:00 -
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QuakeGod wrote:I'm glad they are getting the bugs worked out, but they should have done that on the test server before they rolled out the expansion.
10 patches in 20 days since the Odyssey update? That's a bit much.
Make that 11 patches now in 21 days.....
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Obmud
Somali Coast Guard BootCamp
56
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Posted - 2013.06.25 16:16:00 -
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i get a 6mb patch after EVERY downtime, and everytime it fails, then i have to repair and then it validates the whole client again. I really hope thats a bug ;) I'm offering Graphics Services in EVE like Sig Banners / KB Banners / Animated Videos / Websites and the likes for 150m / hour. Contact ingame for more info.https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3222657#post3222657 |
TharOkha
0asis Group
537
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Posted - 2013.06.25 16:20:00 -
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...and the problem is ? GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
Anna Djan
Banana Corp
16
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Posted - 2013.06.25 16:37:00 -
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Meh it's nothing compared to test servers not auto patching and having to copy the 10GB eve dir every few days :p
Auto patching for test clients would be awesome |
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CCP Atropos
C C P C C P Alliance
364
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Posted - 2013.06.25 16:59:00 -
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Obmud wrote:i get a 6mb patch after EVERY downtime, and everytime it fails, then i have to repair and then it validates the whole client again. I really hope thats a bug ;) Are you running ExeFile.exe to access the game, and thus bypassing the EVE Launcher? Product Owner, EVE Launcher | Team Special Circumstances |
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Bl4ck Ph03n1x
Gangsters And Gentlemen Silent Ascension
54
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Posted - 2013.06.25 17:02:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:Obmud wrote:i get a 6mb patch after EVERY downtime, and everytime it fails, then i have to repair and then it validates the whole client again. I really hope thats a bug ;) Are you running ExeFile.exe to access the game, and thus bypassing the EVE Launcher? Micropatched are DL, from launcher as well as from ExeFile.exe. The extra annoyance comes from the way Exefile.exe download and apply the patch, but they still exist, and still are extremely annoying for low connexions. Don't feed the trolls. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Aegis Solaris
1990
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Posted - 2013.06.25 17:12:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:Obmud wrote:i get a 6mb patch after EVERY downtime, and everytime it fails, then i have to repair and then it validates the whole client again. I really hope thats a bug ;) Are you running ExeFile.exe to access the game, and thus bypassing the EVE Launcher? Maybe you should make it so the exefile.exe Cannot download a patch, but instead says "please run the launcher to apply the patch". http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus Aeterna Anima
95
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:25:00 -
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Whenever the exefile asks to download a patch, tell it 'no', quit the client and start the launcher. (No need to use it for playing, you can simply close it again after it patched the game) |
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp Goonswarm Federation
867
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:41:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:Ticondrius wrote:Getting really tired of these little 6MB micro patches for the launcher that I'm not even using. Can you NOT increment the entire game's version every time you tweak an image in the damned launcher?? I'm happy running from exefile.exe, and NEVER want to see the launcher. You're only seeing "micro patches" because you're running from ExeFile.exe. Your client starts up and finds out it's out of date, and starts the EVE Launcher to patch; the only way to connect to Tranquility is with an up-to-date client. Not if you left the launcher up overnight, then it thinks everything is hunky-dory and then evefile.exe tries and fails to patch on its own. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp Goonswarm Federation
867
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:42:00 -
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that is incredibly irritating by the way, please fix that |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
395
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:19:00 -
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Best part is the launcher fails to delete the *.patch files. So they'll sit in your eve folder for the next few years. |
Tradari
Anal Cactii Assaulters Brothers of Tangra
6
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:37:00 -
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i don't mind the patches as all fixes are good just wish after each patch the launcher would remember my account name as it keeps wiping it on each patch! |
Obmud
Somali Coast Guard BootCamp
56
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Posted - 2013.06.26 13:14:00 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:Obmud wrote:i get a 6mb patch after EVERY downtime, and everytime it fails, then i have to repair and then it validates the whole client again. I really hope thats a bug ;) Are you running ExeFile.exe to access the game, and thus bypassing the EVE Launcher?
Not sure, i just use the icon that it's in my start menu labeled as EVE. I will check but i find it weird that i have to worry about that kind of stuff as a user ;)
Regards, a UX - Engineer. I'm offering Graphics Services in EVE like Sig Banners / KB Banners / Animated Videos / Websites and the likes for 150m / hour. Contact ingame for more info.https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3222657#post3222657 |
Ticondrius
Ixion Defence Systems Test Alliance Please Ignore
13
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Posted - 2013.06.27 19:48:00 -
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I thought the patches were caused by the addition of the Launcher, granted, I hate all the extra steps the launcher takes in patching the client over the simple download and quick install we used to have. All these micropatches I was complaining about are 15-30mb files that take a good 10-15 mins to get downloaded and installed via the launcher, and there has been one almost every single day since Odyssey. What happened CCP? It used to be: Expansion -> Day after patch to fix the game breaking bugs -> 2-3 days to collect issues -> Patch to fix the patch -> Nothing until next expansion.
Having to wait 10-20 minutes just to login makes me choose instead to try to login before bed and hope whatever you're stuffing down the phone lines to us is done by morning, so I can possibly play the next evening when I get home from work...provided you didn't stuff ANOTHER damned patch in the pipeline.
Fix the game once after an expansion, like you used to be able to do. |
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