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Hoshi
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Posted - 2005.11.25 12:32:00 -
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As a respons to a request on the game developments forum I took the time to write down the skills and stats for the new bloodlines on SiSi. Thought they might be interesting for the people here.
Caldari - Achura Base Skills: Caldari Frigate, Small Hybrid Turrents, Science Base Stats: I: 8, C: 3, P: 7, M: 6, W: 6 Ancestry: Inventors - Science, Research, +4 int Monk - Navigation, Research, +2 perc, +2 will Stargazers - Engineering, Research, +1 perc, +3 mem
Minmatar - Vherokior Base Skills: Minmatar Frigate, Small Projectile Turret, Industry Base Stats: I: 7, C: 8, P: 4, M: 8, W: 3 Ancestry: Drifters - Navigation, Refining, +2 int, +2 perc Mystics - Learning, Refining, +1 int, +3 will Retailers - Trade, Refining, +1 char, +3 mem
Amarr - Khanid Base Skills: Amarr Frigate, Small Energy Turret, Gunnery Base Stats: I: 5, C: 5, P: 9, M: 3, W: 8 Ancestry: Cyber Knights - Small Energy Turrent, Controlled Bursts, +4 perc Unionists - Social, Controlled Bursts, +2 int, +2 perc Zelots - Leadership, Controlled Bursts, +2 mem, +2 will
Gallante - Jin-Mei Base Skills: Gallante Frigate, Small Hybrid Turrent, Leadership Base Stats: I: 5, C: 7, P: 6, M: 5, W: 7 Ancestry: Sang Do Caste - Leadership, Learning, +1 char, +3 will Saan Go Caste - Social, Learning, +2 int, +2 mem Jing Ko Caste - Gunnery, Learning, +4 perc
Seems to me a Caldari Achura Monk is the best ronded char you can get now. Put 2 points in mem and 1 in int and you will have. Int: 9 Char: 3 Perc: 9 Mem: 8 Will: 8
The Amarr one might be interesting for pure combat chars as well.
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Mamarto
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Posted - 2005.11.25 14:25:00 -
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If I were to start a new PvP character now, that exact Achura monk would definitely be my starting setup. I wish that was how my curretn character had started out.
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Kamoris
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Posted - 2005.11.25 15:12:00 -
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Heh thats new caldari bloodline will be very popoluar. Excellent ballance for pvp character :D
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Ashraaf
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Posted - 2005.11.25 15:48:00 -
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Gallante Saan Go have a very good stat for a generalist character
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Orvy
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Posted - 2005.11.25 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Orvy on 25/11/2005 15:53:17 Achura monk is at huge advantage comparing to other races. Guess majority of the new players will be Caldari. Khanid Cyber Knight is quite interesting as well though, 16 starting perception is quite nice
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Tripoli
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Posted - 2005.11.25 16:18:00 -
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The Achura Monk will be the most popular character ever. Period. It should be nerfed. ---
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Cadiz
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Posted - 2005.11.25 17:58:00 -
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That Achura Monk is going to be the new Sebiestor Rebel - all-purpose awesomeness. Urge to get second account rising!
That side, the Khanid Unionists have potential for a more rounded character that still has teh pwnz0r Perception, although the low Memory is going to make thrashing out the initial learning skills a miserable experience. I personally wouldn't go the Cyber Knight path simply because I hate all my int/mem support & fitting skills taking forever to train, although I suppose you could probably get away with not putting any starting points into Perception then...hrm.
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James Baker
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Posted - 2005.11.25 19:29:00 -
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Something is just plain wrong here. So 80% of Eve's new chars will be fake Caldaris? As if adding those new bloodlines isn't wrong enough from a semi-rp perspective, they're heavily imbalanced and have extremely *** names!
Stargazer = Daydreamer = Gallente != Caldari
Cyber Knights? Whoever came up with that? At least there was some down to earth feeling about the existing ancestries, whereas this has absolutely no class and seems to appeal more to Japanese pop culture (and no, nothing wrong with Japanese pop culture - it's just not Eve) than it seems to be based around expanding the existing backstory.
Fortunately I have 2.5 years advance on the newcomers, because that Achura Monk looks to have some killer attributes.
I'm well and truely dissapointed.
JB
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Cadiz
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Posted - 2005.11.26 00:54:00 -
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Edited by: Cadiz on 26/11/2005 01:05:10
Originally by: James Baker
Stargazer = Daydreamer = Gallente != Caldari
Oooor it could be stargazer = astronomer = scientist = QUITE Caldari.
Stargazer can mean both daydreamer and astronomer, and frankly, the second makes a lot more sense in this case.
As for Cyber Knights, perhaps there was/is a Holder warrior class within Khanid society. Would make sense, considering the supposed martial prowess of the Khanids. As Holders they'd have all sorts of demi-cybernetic implants, and as a warrior class no small number of thse would probably be dedicated to the improvement of one's capabilty in combat, so...it's probably just a matter of nomenclature more than anything. Landed Khanid nobility who serve their superiors through military service, blessed with unique & fancy implants as a mark of their station.
Still, some of the potential stat setups on these new bloodlines are evil. I'm not going to deny that. And why do they even bother with more low-perc races, anyways? Even a carebear alt is going to have to do a fair degree of ship training (Gallente V for the Itty V, Mining Barge V for large barges, so on so forth)...although I suppose you could make a decent generalist out of a Vherokior with a Drifter background and 3 points into Perception off the bat if you felt so inclined. Just as long as you didn't want to train any t2 piloting skills.
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Jalia Kovac
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Posted - 2005.11.26 04:00:00 -
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Edited by: Jalia Kovac on 26/11/2005 04:00:03 Still have no idea why the new Gallente caste isn't the Mannar. From memory, there's virtually no canon information on them at all so there wouldn't have been any problem giving them an asiatic flavour anyway.
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Stephen HB
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Posted - 2005.11.26 05:03:00 -
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Achura Monk > all
-- Originally by: Nyphur The irony is astounding. The sheer level of raw irony here is enough to iron my clothes for a year.
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MachZERO
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Posted - 2005.11.26 11:56:00 -
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Guess I can't complain much about being Brutor cause I just can't get down with this new "Vherokior"...
Like was said above.. Thank god for the 25 million SP gap between me and them...
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.11.26 13:03:00 -
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omg. they are introducing an uber type (achura monk).
how unfair is that - i wouldn't like them to any better or worse than the existing ones. if they wanted to have newer, better ones, they should allow people to change. as thats complete RP bolox, it ent gonna happen, so the new types should be balanced with the old.
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Professor McFly
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Posted - 2005.11.26 13:21:00 -
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Was the character creation available for these bloodlines on SiSi (before it went down)? I wanna mess around with portraits __________________ Retard's handbook |
Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.11.26 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jalia Kovac Edited by: Jalia Kovac on 26/11/2005 04:00:03 Still have no idea why the new Gallente caste isn't the Mannar. From memory, there's virtually no canon information on them at all so there wouldn't have been any problem giving them an asiatic flavour anyway.
' I agree, id much rather see Mannar then Jinmei, why on earth create a 4th, previously unknown bloodline when theres 3rd unused bloodline in the prime fiction...
These bloodlines seem to have pretty damn good starting attribute. ------------------
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.11.26 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 26/11/2005 18:52:58
Meh, all the crying about "uber stats" and whatnot...
the idea of what's "the best" attributes for a character changed quite a few times over the course of the game, if i remember right. Usually due to vast changes to game mechanics, introduction of new skills, new modules, changes to skill requirements and other stuff.
any min-maxer complaining now about the "uber Achura" is given to cry just as much x months down the road because their "most uberest" flavour-of-the-expansion build takes ages to train anything charisma related, and there's suddenly bunch of charisma based stuff added to the game that influences everything from agent running to PvP... >>;;
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Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
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Posted - 2005.11.26 19:31:00 -
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i wonder why make caldari even more popular when they are a majority of eve anyway ---------------------------------------------
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Toman'Torax
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Posted - 2005.11.26 21:09:00 -
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Silly question, but when will these new bloodlines be available?
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Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
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Posted - 2005.11.26 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Toman'Torax Silly question, but when will these new bloodlines be available?
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ShadowStrike
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Posted - 2005.11.26 21:21:00 -
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Achura Inventors will be uber scientists too!
and if i'm right, the chinise will have these new bloodlines along the others right from their start, i think that over 90% of the chinise players will be Caldari Achura ┌-------------------------------------------------┐ ª You currently have 34,287,435 Brain Cells ª └-------------------------------------------------┘ |
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.11.26 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowStrike Achura Inventors will be uber scientists too!
and if i'm right, the chinise will have these new bloodlines along the others right from their start, i think that over 90% of the chinise players will be Caldari Achura
Wouldn't count on it. Given the number of times we see 'omg why didn't anyone tell me that charisma wasn't a good stat to max' posts.
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Nyaari Sharenti
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Posted - 2005.11.26 23:25:00 -
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Being one who just started playing the game about a month ago and is on his 2nd character after his first ended up with a base perc of 4, these uber new bloodlines bother the hell out of me. If I could have waited 2 more months, I would have had a character with much more balanced stats than I have now. While my stats my not be radically off from what I could have had, 3 more perc instead of will would have been a much better choice. I just wonder if a month head start is worth keeping or if, in the long run, I would be better off taking another trip to the biomass.
Maybe perc will be nerfed so it's not so far and away the best skill for pvp?
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Hoshi
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Posted - 2005.11.27 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Professor McFly Was the character creation available for these bloodlines on SiSi (before it went down)? I wanna mess around with portraits
At the time I started this thread the new character models where not in. Have not checked since.
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Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
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Posted - 2005.11.27 18:56:00 -
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with Monk i got:
9 3 11 8 8
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.11.27 20:38:00 -
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The Achura is totally overpowered! NERF!!!
Still, there are absolutely no drawbacks to this char for PvP until you start messing with Leadership skills.
A bit unbalanced IMHO.
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Cadiz
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Posted - 2005.11.27 23:53:00 -
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Edited by: Cadiz on 27/11/2005 23:54:00 The Achura Monk is a bit ridiculous, but is it that much worse than, say, a Sebiestor Rebel setup? Easy enough to get Int 9-10, Cha 6, Per 10-11, Mem 6, and Will 7. Pretty much the same values in the two prime fields of Intelligence and Perception, and a bit more rounded Charisma to boot (useful for those leadership skills and mission runners).
The more I think about it, though...now that we have the Amarr Khanid, what's the point of having Minmatar Brutors beyond their l33t sunglasses and dreadlocks?
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Double TaP
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Posted - 2005.11.28 00:12:00 -
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Trust me, some things will be changed with the achuras. Ive gone through the character building process with Achuras and came started with science level V. do you really think the devs will let that happen? On a different note, i think ccp would be very very wise to do that second account special like they did last year. You get a second account for 6 months half price or something. Would be very very popular amoung older players who want to try the new races, and newer people who are wondering why the older players have 2nd accounts. I have 2 accounts personally and will probably start a 3rd when this patch hits . With one of the new bloodlines of course.
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Dae Han
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Posted - 2005.12.07 10:13:00 -
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I am guessing that Achura=Japanese, Jin-Mei=Chinese, Khanid=Iran/Persian/Middle East. But what people/country or region of the world does the Vherokior represent? |
Evil Thug
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Posted - 2005.12.07 10:58:00 -
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Amarr - Khanid Base Skills: Amarr Frigate, Small Energy Turret, Gunnery Base Stats: I: 5, C: 5, P: 9, M: 3, W: 8 Ancestry: Cyber Knights - Small Energy Turrent, Controlled Bursts, +4 perc
0_o. 16 starting perception. This is about 33 perc with maxxed learning skills and +4 perc imp. Very nice. ----------------------------------------------- Ash to Ash Dust to Dust |
Zwotte
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Posted - 2005.12.07 15:05:00 -
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I don't get it. With the current Amarr chars you can get similar stats. I have a second char with the following base atributes.
intel 8 percep 7 charisma 3 Willpower 15 mem 6
Not as good a 16 perception but close.
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