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Franco Stein
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.27 05:26:00 -
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been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.
This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise. The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.
REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.
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Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
1005
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Posted - 2013.06.27 05:33:00 -
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I see someone wants a spike in RMT ISK prices...
And no, as CCP would loose ALOT of subscribers as a result of your stupid as "George Bush" idea. I'm not entirely clear on the point of this, but I do have a sudden urge to jump in a catalyst and blow up a miner. Twitter! - @AzamiNevinyrall I'm half expecting a ban for this post. |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.06.27 05:34:00 -
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I will never understand people who think like this. I pay my Eve sub with real money. Why? Time efficiency. Even if I enjoyed Eve's PVE (which I do not), it would make more sense to just pay my sub with cash rather than PLEX. Show me anywhere in the game that I can make 500-600m ISK/hr (assuming a $17 per hour irl pay rate) without either a massive investment, or serious risk involved. Just because I pay my sub with cash, doesn't mean that I contribute anything more than a person who PLEXes their account. In fact, I probably contribute less, because they are having to perform in game actions to keep their subs rolling, whereas I am not. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
282
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Posted - 2013.06.27 05:39:00 -
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The way things are now, if PLEX didn't exist, I doubt EvE would have more than 200k subs. A lot of that 500k are extra accounts (as it took more than 1 account to raise another toon until this expansion). Only way to pay for that with kids is to PLEX for "free" game time.
I sub, as it's a better way to budget (set price a month). Ironically, it's due to that set price that allows having more than 1 account. F2P model and all the nickel and diming is how it stays afloat, but devs can't budget like that. Which is also why I believe Blizzard continues on the subscription model for WoW, as it's a consistent cashflow to budget with each month.
Micro pay model is what kids enjoy, but in reality there's no free lunch. Any F2P scheme out there is paid for by other means (CCP does the "free" expansions and all by PLEX and time-code sales). They're just deferring the cost onto others paying for it (leeches). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3739
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Posted - 2013.06.27 05:50:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:I will never understand people who think like this. I pay my Eve sub with real money. Why? Time efficiency. Even if I enjoyed Eve's PVE (which I do not), it would make more sense to just pay my sub with cash rather than PLEX. Show me anywhere in the game that I can make 500-600m ISK/hr (assuming a $17 per hour irl pay rate) without either a massive investment, or serious risk involved. Just because I pay my sub with cash, doesn't mean that I contribute anything more than a person who PLEXes their account. In fact, I probably contribute less, because they are having to perform in game actions to keep their subs rolling, whereas I am not. So, having established that is is better to work and pay sub than grind for sub time:
do you also grind isk for your ships? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
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Bloody Wench
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Posted - 2013.06.27 06:07:00 -
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
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Posted - 2013.06.27 06:17:00 -
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credit card all accounts i don't log online to work http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
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Posted - 2013.06.27 06:25:00 -
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PLEX is a great option and is going nowhere. The key point being missed is that all PLEX are paid for with real money. Once bought that PLEX can be used for game time, AUR, training a second character or traded with another player for ISK.
CCP still get the money, RMT takes a kick in the guts and we have more players in the game. I fail to see an issue.
Personally I play the game way more since I switched to PLEX. More active players should have a voice regardless whose dollars went to CCP. |
Bloody Wench
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Posted - 2013.06.27 06:35:00 -
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Telemicus Thrace wrote:PLEX is a great option and is going nowhere. The key point being missed is that all PLEX are paid for with real money. Once bought that PLEX can be used for game time, AUR, training a second character or traded with another player for ISK.
CCP still get the money, RMT takes a kick in the guts and we have more players in the game. I fail to see an issue.
Personally I play the game way more since I switched to PLEX. More active players should have a voice regardless whose dollars went to CCP.
You bring up a good point.
I'm active because I have to be if I want to continue to sub. Out there doing 'stuff'. Support a High Resolution Texture Pack |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.06.27 06:42:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:I will never understand people who think like this. I pay my Eve sub with real money. Why? Time efficiency. Even if I enjoyed Eve's PVE (which I do not), it would make more sense to just pay my sub with cash rather than PLEX. Show me anywhere in the game that I can make 500-600m ISK/hr (assuming a $17 per hour irl pay rate) without either a massive investment, or serious risk involved. Just because I pay my sub with cash, doesn't mean that I contribute anything more than a person who PLEXes their account. In fact, I probably contribute less, because they are having to perform in game actions to keep their subs rolling, whereas I am not. So, having established that is is better to work and pay sub than grind for sub time: do you also grind isk for your ships? I'm in faction warfare. The pvp practically pays for itself, assuming you don't lose shiny ships on a constant basis. But to answer your question a bit more directly, no, not anymore. I did my time in missions, saved up a couple of billion, realized I hated the pve, and never really looked back. If I need the ISK that bad, I can have a few bil again at the low cost of a few hours at work irl. |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.27 06:51:00 -
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Franco Stein wrote: grrr I'm spacepoor
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
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Posted - 2013.06.27 06:51:00 -
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Franco Stein wrote:REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.
so, you mean that, besides the trial accounts, there are subs out there that are free? how in the nine hells they do that? credit card fraud? [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
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Posted - 2013.06.27 06:53:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:
You bring up a good point.
I'm active because I have to be if I want to continue to sub. Out there doing 'stuff'.
Indeed, and when that stuff includes research, mining, production or anything that puts stuff into the economy it drives supply up and prices down. |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.06.27 06:56:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Franco Stein wrote: grrr I'm irlpoor
Fixed that for you. They're usually the only ones who whine about "pay to win" in any form. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.27 07:13:00 -
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Remove PLEX and everyone would be so much sadder, not only those that will stop playing, but also you won't have all the lolmails of some pilot moving 36 PLEXes in a Kestrel... why you want us to be sad?
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RaTTuS
BIG Insidious Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.27 07:17:00 -
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it's not free to play - someone always pays it removes some RMT styles http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png http://imgur.com/nuBlxbC |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.27 07:22:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Malcanis wrote:Franco Stein wrote: grrr I'm irlpoor
Fixed that for you. They're usually the only ones who whine about "pay to win" in any form. Pay to win is crap and if you blow tons of cash in pay 2 win games, the only thing that you have over a poor person is that you're a sucker and you have no idea what your money is worth.
That said, plex are not pay to win and they actually have the opposite effect of pay to win games, as it pretty much enables people with tighter budgets to play indefinitely for less or no money. |
Riot Girl
Thundercats The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.06.27 07:27:00 -
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OP logic: If people say things I don't like, it means they sub their accounts with PLEX. Therefore, PLEX must be removed to improve PVP. Oh god. |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.06.27 07:28:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Malcanis wrote:Franco Stein wrote: grrr I'm irlpoor
Fixed that for you. They're usually the only ones who whine about "pay to win" in any form. Pay to win is crap and if you blow tons of cash in pay 2 win games, the only thing that you have over a poor person is that you're a sucker and you have no idea what your money is worth. That said, plex are not pay to win and they actually have the opposite effect of pay to win games, as it pretty much enables people with tighter budgets to play indefinitely for less or no money. To address your first point: money is worth no more than what anyone believes it is. It has no intrinsic value at all. The dollar is worth no more than ISK to the right (wrong?) person.
To address your second: it goes both ways, unless of course someone is buying PLEX from CCP then handing it out to players for free. The person who bought it still gets the ISK for it. While I don't view it as pay to win (more like pay to avoid ****** pve) some would argue otherwise. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
391
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Posted - 2013.06.27 07:30:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Malcanis wrote:Franco Stein wrote: grrr I'm irlpoor
Fixed that for you. They're usually the only ones who whine about "pay to win" in any form. Pay to win is crap and if you blow tons of cash in pay 2 win games, the only thing that you have over a poor person is that you're a sucker and you have no idea what your money is worth. That said, plex are not pay to win and they actually have the opposite effect of pay to win games, as it pretty much enables people with tighter budgets to play indefinitely for less or no money. To address your first point: money is worth no more than what anyone believes it is. It has no intrinsic value at all. The dollar is worth no more than ISK to the right (wrong?) person. To address your second: it goes both ways, unless of course someone is buying PLEX from CCP then handing it out to players for free. The person who bought it still gets the ISK for it. While I don't view it as pay to win (more like pay to avoid ****** pve) some would argue otherwise.
You don't have to pve to buy plex. The largest sums of isk i've ever acquired were not shooting red boxes in anomalies, but bilking idiots of money. I do both, but you can still play for plex and never once ever shoot A Rat. |
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smokess
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.27 07:37:00 -
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Franco Stein wrote:been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.
This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise. The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.
REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.
Your thought process is nonsensical.
1. CCP makes more money from PLEX purchasers than they do from regular subscription fees.
2. How does someone paying for PLEX with ISK affect 'the sandbox'? Paying for ISK by buying PLEX maybe.
3. How would people paying for the game 'out of pocket' make PvP and PvE better?
4. 'Entrenched player base that pays nothing' means nothing. CCP don't seed PLEX onto the market unless special circumstances occur within which they need to stabilise the prices of them. All PLEX you see in Jita, Rens, Dodixie - anywhere for that matter - have been bought by a player and CCP have received revenue from them.
Now **** off. |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.06.27 07:40:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
You don't have to pve to buy plex. The largest sums of isk i've ever acquired were not shooting red boxes in anomalies, but bilking idiots of money. I do both, but you can still play for plex and never once ever shoot A Rat.
Very good point. Market and contract pvp is still pvp. When I say pve though, I am not just talking about ratting, I mean all of it. To me, mining and industry are right up there with shooting rats in my list of "I'd rather slam my fingers in a door than do these things". |
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
10
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Posted - 2013.06.27 07:43:00 -
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Franco Stein wrote: The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.
Ah suggeest y'all geet whale the geet'ns gud
Dont luke lak this here gaymes fer you, pilgrim |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
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Posted - 2013.06.27 07:49:00 -
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Franco Stein wrote:been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.
This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise. The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.
REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.
there is no free to play , somebody paid with Real money for that plex and the person paying with a plex jusr is rewarded for being a online a long time I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
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Posted - 2013.06.27 07:50:00 -
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Franco Stein wrote:been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.
This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise. The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.
REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.
Posting in a Stealth "How to kill the game in one easy step" thread.
I too am excited about trading playability for more lag and shiny pictures.....:( Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
284
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Posted - 2013.06.27 07:52:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Remove PLEX and everyone would be so much sadder
Not me. I never believed in this F2P scam, as there is no free lunches. And damn if I'm going to slave in a game to pay for it.
CCP may prefer a roller coaster revenue stream, but just look what content it delivers. Meanwhile over at WoW, they're churning out new content in 90 day cycles now.
Yeah, a consistent revenue stream has it's merits. $14.95 isn't really that expensive, considering that is the price for 1 movie outing a month (or a meal at a mid level restaurant...even poor college students could afford it). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
248
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Posted - 2013.06.27 07:59:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Chribba wrote:Remove PLEX and everyone would be so much sadder Not me. I never believed in this F2P scam, as there is no free lunches. And damn if I'm going to slave in a game to pay for it. CCP may prefer a roller coaster revenue stream, but just look what content it delivers. Meanwhile over at WoW, they're churning out new content in 90 day cycles now. Yeah, a consistent revenue stream has it's merits. $14.95 isn't really that expensive, considering that is the price for 1 movie outing a month (or a meal at a mid level restaurant...even poor college students could afford it). ActiBlizz also has a revenue stream that crosses damn near every game genre in existence. The same cannot be said for CCP. Even they are prone to some rough **** every once in a while.
You know what CCP does when they want to produce a spike in revenue while simultaneously easing up the in game market? PLEX sales. Offer ten PLEX for $120 (or whatever it is), and every nerd is ready to come out of pocket pretty quick. Well, except for the poor people, but they don't count anyway. |
Deano McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2013.06.27 08:02:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:[Meanwhile over at WoW, they're churning out new content in 90 day cycles now..
Churn. Good choice of words, handsome. Its not really new content though is it? Its the exact same thing with different sprites and a higher difficulty curve.
You can be anything you want to be Just turn yourself into anything you think that you could ever be Be free with your tempo, be free, be free Surrender your ego - be free, be free to yourself |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
8729
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Posted - 2013.06.27 08:05:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Chribba wrote:Remove PLEX and everyone would be so much sadder Not me. I never believed in this F2P scam, as there is no free lunches. So this means that you don't somewhere down there enjoy reading about someone who didn't think it through and moved 36 PLEXes in a frigate on a busy Jita day?
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AndromacheDarkstar
Red Dawn Mercenaries
772
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Posted - 2013.06.27 08:10:00 -
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Ive got a reasonably large amount of isk now, enough to last me for a long time and yet i still pay for the sub. The reason i pay is that this game is my hobby, i have disposable income and a lack of play time and therefore id rather have the isk to buy ships. I have also in the past bought a fair few plex for the same reasons and sold them onto characters who will use that for their game time.
I dont have problem with that because it allows more people to play and the more people playing the better, i aslo understand that not everyone is like me. I simply dont have the time or inclination to grind isk to pay in plex. But there is simply no argument you could come up with that would convince me that plex is a bad system.
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