been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.
REMOVE PLEX and get rid of the PAY to Win model..

Don't buy Plex.

~20% of EVE accounts (100k) paid by PLEX which cost around $20 each.

Sure, CCP, listen to this random stranger - cut off your $24.000.000 (per year) income stream.

How would cutting off PLEX stop CCP's income? Would those players just STOP playing since they couldn't buy a PLEX to sub with..... WRONG.. it's cheaper to pay with CC friend.... The PLEX is the PAY TO WIN model and the lifers use it to Play for Free.

wake up.!!1

Plexing is also a huge incentive to get new players.

Plus the best stories involve plex scandels. look it up.

Looking at this topic and a few on the front page of GD , well ,it makes me want to check the cycle of the moon or something, because these people sure are coming out of the wood work today lol.

I agree with the entertainment value of the scandals for sure..... it could be faction gear lost though and be just as frightening.

Decent troll attempt on your part I must admit . I put the OP down to you being a newb. Once more for the record...

It's been explained to you that PLEX are not free, you are trading with another player for game time. Those who can make a decent amount of ISK can buy game time from players. Players who may not have time or experience to make ISK can get it through cash. This is simply a formal version of my flatmate pays my sub, in return I build him ships. Nobody is playing for free.

Since neither skills trained nor player skill are affected by ISK this is not P2W. Even the most expensive ships get torn apart in the face of focus fire.

Because PLEX are traded between players on the open market supply and demand brings it into balance.

The greatest benefits of PLEX are:

- More players to shoot / trade with.
- Healthier economy from more ISK needing to be generated.
- Players can trade Cash for ISK risk free and the money goes to CCP instead of RMTs

Honestly though, you are just coming off as another troll. You are insulting and irrational and you don't make any valid point.

You lost me at the "SINCE NEITHER SKILLS TRAINED NOR PLAYER SKILL ARE AFFECTED BY ISK" comment.... you obviously haven't heard of the Character Bazaar.... it's a place where you CAN BUY VERY SKILLED characters, that you can BUY cool ships for, that you CAN Multibox with to EXPLOIT the Players who don't do any of those things and just skill and Sub, grind, trade, etc.....

P2W.....

players that buy plex for that nice shiney ship are the ones putting them on the market.

Scenario 1

Poster gets plexes to be removed.

Scenario 2

Poster Wants a titan the realizes **** grinding, with even 5 toons is still hard to grind isk for a titan
then realizes oh i wish i could buy some plexes too.

Scenario 3.

Poster is eathier someone who is to stupid to actually realise what a contract actually says and got scammed.

I'm gonna go with all of the above. Obviously he read a contract wrong and got scammed

Show me anywhere in the game that I can make 500-600m ISK/hr

GǪexcept that no GÇ£winGÇ¥ is bought GÇö assets are just transferred. You're effectively suggesting that, when I go to Jita to buy myself a couple of newly-manufactured Blaster Cannon IIs, I'm paying to win.

Sceneario for, Poster thinks plex is p2w, buys a titan with plex, then gets tackled by a onyx and loses his titan, his p2w blown up.

PLEX was created to funnel the money to CCP instead of Shark websites that sell ISK for RL Money..

The way things are now, if PLEX didn't exist, I doubt EvE would have more than 200k subs. A lot of that 500k are extra accounts (as it took more than 1 account to raise another toon until this expansion). Only way to pay for that with kids is to PLEX for "free" game time.

I sub, as it's a better way to budget (set price a month). Ironically, it's due to that set price that allows having more than 1 account. F2P model and all the nickel and diming is how it stays afloat, but devs can't budget like that. Which is also why I believe Blizzard continues on the subscription model for WoW, as it's a consistent cashflow to budget with each month.

Micro pay model is what kids enjoy, but in reality there's no free lunch. Any F2P scheme out there is paid for by other means (CCP does the "free" expansions and all by PLEX and time-code sales). They're just deferring the cost onto others paying for it (leeches).

1. CCP makes more money from PLEX purchasers than they do from regular subscription fees.

2. How does someone paying for PLEX with ISK affect 'the sandbox'? Paying for ISK by buying PLEX maybe.

3. How would people paying for the game 'out of pocket' make PvP and PvE better?

4. 'Entrenched player base that pays nothing' means nothing. CCP don't seed PLEX onto the market unless special circumstances occur within which they need to stabilise the prices of them. All PLEX you see in Jita, Rens, Dodixie - anywhere for that matter - have been bought by a player and CCP have received revenue from them.

Your thought process is nonsensical.

1. CCP makes more money from PLEX purchasers than they do from regular subscription fees.

2. How does someone paying for PLEX with ISK affect 'the sandbox'? Paying for ISK by buying PLEX maybe.

3. How would people paying for the game 'out of pocket' make PvP and PvE better?

4. 'Entrenched player base that pays nothing' means nothing. CCP don't seed PLEX onto the market unless special circumstances occur within which they need to stabilise the prices of them. All PLEX you see in Jita, Rens, Dodixie - anywhere for that matter - have been bought by a player and CCP have received revenue from them.


Now **** off.

been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.
REMOVE PLEX and get rid of the PAY to Win model..

Don't buy Plex.

Dear OP,

Since you are incredible dense (no offence seriously but you are) i propose an experiment.

I want you to buy some PLEX for real money and sell those PLEX in Jita. Afterwards i want you to buy your P2W 1337 carrier pilot on the char bazaar. Then you will proceed to put that character into a new shiny officer fitted carrier (bought with PLEX of course). You can then proceed to a lowsec system of your choosing where i will visit you in my own plebian and worthless carrier that i bought by "grinding" (aka blowing up some poor guy and taking his cargo which takes like 2 minutes but ok.) I am a worthless player who pays his sub with CC so i cannot afford officer modules of course. The grind would simply take years and years.

Since according to your logic your master race officer fitted carrier is a P2W carrier you can commence melting my puny carrier to slag since i have no chance whatsoever and should better eject right away. Let me know when you have set up everything so we can enjoy solid proof of your believes.

(Disclaimer: Sarcasm, you will probably die in <5 minutes and i will loot your P2W ubermods. Play this game for a year and we talk again...maybe.)

been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.
REMOVE PLEX and get rid of the PAY to Win model..

Don't buy Plex.

Dear OP,

If Chribba is in opposition to your idea, then you're wrong.

That is all.

Outside of the negative comment.... you are again mistaken.

With your logic CCP should do the following.

1) Remove any requirements to fly ships, mods, etc.
2) Stop the progressive skilling of characters.
3) Remove any leveling in game or character progression.

You could just as easily have a very skilled player who knows exactly how to win your above scenario, but only so darn lazy he refuses to work for it in game and throws down his cash to get this win....to make him feel like a big boy.

Learn the difference . . . . . it's not about skill, it's about long term players not paying anymore for the game and ANY player's ability to add RL money to a game to get a quick road to whatever!!!!

Remove PLEX and you will have to EARN your wins or truly FEEL those losses, and WAIT for those big finishes.

been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.
REMOVE PLEX and get rid of the PAY to Win model..

Don't buy Plex.