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Angry Onions
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.24 04:02:00 -
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I've been tinkering around with a Legion fit, and I've found that a HAM fitted Legion with a passive armor tank and MWD would be lethal as hell, but I would like to see other's opinion about this (preferably from people who fly Missile Amarr boats). What I have down in theory would be devastating, is it still devastating in practice or just a silly idea? E .-+ ` ' / -+. F Your Carebear tears fuel us |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.24 04:08:00 -
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Angry Onions wrote:I've been tinkering around with a Legion fit, and I've found that a HAM fitted Legion with a passive armor tank and MWD would be lethal as hell, but I would like to see other's opinion about this (preferably from people who fly Missile Amarr boats). What I have down in theory would be devastating, is it still devastating in practice or just a silly idea?
People will tell you it sucks because they don't like ham boats to begin with. Ganky and bricky, Legion is as good as a ham boat gets. Tengu is a bit too squishy for ham, so Legion is really the only t3 ham boat worth using. |
Angry Onions
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.24 05:39:00 -
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Thats what got me interested in the HAM Legion, is that it will throw up a hella tank while still putting out good dps and being cap stable with MWD so what should happen is a ship that has the armor tank from hell, can hold a 20KM orbit at a speed of 1105 m/s, keep them warp jammed and pound them with missiles. Now should I have two warp jammers or two target painters? I'm leaning towards two target painters. E .-+ ` ' / -+. F Your Carebear tears fuel us |
Khors
El Barco Pirata
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Posted - 2011.10.24 05:54:00 -
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More like 15 km orbit. 1100m/s is not very fast for a cruiser to be honest, and the main issue with the legion here is that you might as well use a drake, which would be 100ms slower, probably more dps and still good buffer going for it. |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.24 05:59:00 -
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Angry Onions wrote:Thats what got me interested in the HAM Legion, is that it will throw up a hella tank while still putting out good dps and being cap stable with MWD so what should happen is a ship that has the armor tank from hell, can hold a 20KM orbit at a speed of 1105 m/s, keep them warp jammed and pound them with missiles. Now should I have two warp jammers or two target painters? I'm leaning towards two target painters.
Two warp disruptors are pointless as only warp scramblers can shut down MWDs, unless you plan on fighting many WCS fitted ships. Get a web or two since you have no drones for anti-frigate duty, as they'll laugh at your HAMs. |
Angry Onions
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.24 06:00:00 -
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Yes, I know that 1100 m/s isnt terribly fast for a cruiser sized ship, but I do think that being able to sustain that speed is a definite plus side to it. Also, why do you say 15km? If I rig it with a rocket fuel cache, that extends the range out to 23 KM, shouldn't orbiting at 20 suffice? Would 18KM suffice?
EDIT: Wylee you make a good point on having a webber on there. But would 2 target painters increase their sig radius rather drastically? I'm not the most knowledgeable when it comes to how missiles work. E .-+ ` ' / -+. F Your Carebear tears fuel us |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.24 06:11:00 -
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Angry Onions wrote:Yes, I know that 1100 m/s isnt terribly fast for a cruiser sized ship, but I do think that being able to sustain that speed is a definite plus side to it. Also, why do you say 15km? If I rig it with a rocket fuel cache, that extends the range out to 23 KM, shouldn't orbiting at 20 suffice? Would 18KM suffice?
EDIT: Wylee you make a good point on having a webber on there. But would 2 target painters increase their sig radius rather drastically? I'm not the most knowledgeable when it comes to how missiles work.
The missile's explosion velocity versus even a sig blown MWD using frig will be pitifull at best, if it damages the fig at all, webs are the best DPS increasing electronic warfare module there is versus them. |
Angry Onions
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.24 06:16:00 -
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Aiighty gotcha on this :) so 1x MWD, 1x TP, and standard tackle fit for frig defense. E .-+ ` ' / -+. F Your Carebear tears fuel us |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.24 07:02:00 -
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Angry Onions wrote:Aiighty gotcha on this :) so 1x MWD, 1x TP, and standard tackle fit for frig defense.
MWD, 2 webs and a point IMO, but feel free to play around and find out what works best for you. |
Ruah Piskonit
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.24 07:06:00 -
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the t3 HAM legion is really the best legion out there - so you pass. |
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2011.10.24 07:59:00 -
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Angry Onions wrote:Aiighty gotcha on this :) so 1x MWD, 1x TP, and standard tackle fit for frig defense.
No, use a web. A 60% web will have the effect of a 150% painter against a frigate. |
Celin Karr
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.24 09:11:00 -
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I would advice against using a mwd, Get a 100mn AB instead, if you do that you can laugh at scrams and you wont have that increased sig radius from a mwd to deal with.
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1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.24 12:29:00 -
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A little something like this? Swap mids to liking..
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Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.24 13:04:00 -
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No such thing as a passive armor tank.
Yes, I know you mean buffer. No, passive and buffer are not interchangable.
This has been a public service announcment from the "Get your goddamn terminology right" Branch of the Imperial Academy.
Sidenote: can't speak for a HAM legion, but a laser one is a great ship. I use it in incursions, double webs + conflag ammo = dead space zombies |
Tora Oni
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2011.10.24 13:09:00 -
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Celin Karr wrote:I would advice against using a mwd, Get a 100mn AB instead, if you do that you can laugh at scrams and you wont have that increased sig radius from a mwd to deal with.
Thats exactly what I do. The 100Mn AB is great to GTFO if needed and does enough dps with those hams. |
Angry Onions
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.24 16:59:00 -
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Thanks everyone for the different ideas on how to fit it, gonna have to tinker around with it, I'm looking forward to flying it though :) E .-+ ` ' / -+. F Your Carebear tears fuel us |
Potato IQ
Hedion University Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2011.10.25 08:24:00 -
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So I take it using Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization means you canGÇÖt run a HAM cov-ops configuration on the Legion?
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Wacktopia
Sicarius. Legion of The Damned.
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Posted - 2011.10.25 08:31:00 -
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The 100MN AB is a good call. I'd fly it like an AHAC if I were you... keep your sig down and orbit your way out of incoming damage. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.10.25 09:09:00 -
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Wacktopia wrote:The 100MN AB is a good call. I'd fly it like an AHAC if I were you... keep your sig down and orbit your way out of incoming damage.
Orbiting in a 100MN T3 is like trying to lose weight by eating more ice cream. |
Angry Onions
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:20:00 -
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Potato IQ, that is right, wouldnt be able to do a cloaky HAM legion... would need a tengu for that lol I've been kinda split on 100MN ab or 10MN MWD, each have pros / cons.
100MN AB
Pros: Faster than the MWD and lower sig radius Cons: Not cap stable and can turn about good as a freighter can
10MN MWD Pros: Cap stable and quicker align time / turns reasonably Cons: Big ass sig radius and slower.
Feel free to toss in other pros/cons I haven't thought of :) E .-+ ` ' / -+. F Your Carebear tears fuel us |
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Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:28:00 -
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Khors wrote:More like 15 km orbit. 1100m/s is not very fast for a cruiser to be honest, and the main issue with the legion here is that you might as well use a drake, which would be 100ms slower, probably more dps and still good buffer going for it.
100m/s slower on the drake? You're fitting your drake wrong.
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Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
4
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:45:00 -
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100MN AB T3s do not "align slow"...if you are ontop of you boat, you can simply deactivate the module or you are aligned to what you want way before it's time to warp.
100MN AB T3s do not "orbit" with ABs on...usually it's either strafe runs (HML Tengus) with another tackler holding the target or you having long range disruptor with good o/h control, or in-ur-face-get in Scram-range burn to target tactics you would use in a short range HAM Legion. At any rate, if you believe nano-tempests can do the job, 100MN T3s feel pretty close in agility etc.
If things get ugly, the 100MN AB is working even under scrams, and you try to either approach the gate in time de-aggressing, or burning away aligned to a celestial while killing the fast tackle (out-running most DPS boats).
Oh, and webs are crazy more effective than TPs...plz...TPs real advantage is range, so naturally not that useful on a close range boat like the Legion, or a sig radius or expl. velocity bonused boat like a HML tengu...Also, Web is both an offensive and a defensive weapon, while the TP is only for offense. "War does not determine who is right - only who is left." -- Bertrand Russell |
Wacktopia
Sicarius. Legion of The Damned.
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:13:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Wacktopia wrote:The 100MN AB is a good call. I'd fly it like an AHAC if I were you... keep your sig down and orbit your way out of incoming damage. Orbiting in a 100MN T3 is like trying to lose weight by eating more ice cream.
Please note the full stop (aka period) between my two statements. Clearly I'm not suggesting he orbits with the AB on. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.10.27 06:26:00 -
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Wacktopia wrote:Please note the full stop (aka period) between my two statements. Clearly I'm not suggesting he orbits with the AB on.
When I fly AHACs, I never turn off my AB. Sorry for the confusion. |
Tora Oni
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2011.10.27 11:49:00 -
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Potato IQ wrote:So I take it using Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization means you canGÇÖt run a HAM cov-ops configuration on the Legion?
Correct....
and the AB is not for orbitting, just to GTFO if needed. |
Ruah Piskonit
PIE Inc.
16
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Posted - 2011.10.27 20:17:00 -
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1-Up Mushroom wrote:A little something like this? Swap mids to liking..
[Legion, :)] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
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use a scram instead of the second web imo |
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