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Duke Amarro
Welcome to new Eden
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Posted - 2013.06.28 20:38:00 -
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So me and my friend have been playing DUST 514 for a little over a year, a couple of months ago we decided to explore the heavens after we got bored with planetary conquest and FW DUST 514 side. Out of the blue one veteran with a very interesting employment history and a 1.5 billion bounty declares war on our 2 man corp. Seeing that we stand no chance against him, we decided to leave the corp until this storm passes, we can still manage the corp on dust side, though in a very limited way. My question is, why would a vet spend 50 million to declare war on total noob nobodies? am I missing something? is there a tricky new eden ploy at play here ? please explain to me.
p.s. We're not avoiding PvP, we actually were preparing to start FW this week, and get to experience PvP with someone our size. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
798
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Posted - 2013.06.28 20:50:00 -
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This whole thread seems predicated on the ideas that someone having played awhile means that you both cannot do anything to him and that you can't learn anything from the experience. |
Halvos Hircine
Psamathae
0
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Posted - 2013.06.28 20:52:00 -
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How old was this character?
That bounty tells us nothing about what type of character it is, or how big of a corp declared the war.
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Duke Amarro
Welcome to new Eden
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Posted - 2013.06.28 20:57:00 -
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Before any of you start BS on how we should have tried to take him out, here is his name "Cannibal Kane", go do a background check and then enlighten me on how can a 2 month old pilot defeat him with a venture. |
Katsumoto Moliko
Salient Logistics Inc. The Explicit Alliance
7
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Posted - 2013.06.28 21:06:00 -
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Duke Amarro wrote:So me and my friend have been playing DUST 514 for a little over a year, a couple of months ago we decided to explore the heavens after we got bored with planetary conquest and FW DUST 514 side. Out of the blue one veteran with a very interesting employment history and a 1.5 billion bounty declares war on our 2 man corp. Seeing that we stand no chance against him, we decided to leave the corp until this storm passes, we can still manage the corp on dust side, though in a very limited way. My question is, why would a vet spend 50 million to declare war on total noob nobodies? am I missing something? is there a tricky new eden ploy at play here ? please explain to me.
p.s. We're not avoiding PvP, we actually were preparing to start FW this week, and get to experience PvP with someone our size.
"Veterans" often prey on newer, less experienced players for easy kills and laughs. They declare war so they may fire on your ship freely without consequence. While it sucks, it is perfectly acceptable by in-game rules since you forsake the newbie protection when you join your first player corporation.
Very few of them will expect anything but one sided fights.
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Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
56
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Posted - 2013.06.28 21:37:00 -
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If you play it smart a wardec is really nothing, just make insta undock safespots and bounce spots on gate and even an older player will have trouble unless he is in a super fast locker. They key is to avoid him until he makes a mistake, then you can blap him and make him look foolish. I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1349
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Posted - 2013.06.28 21:45:00 -
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Duke Amarro wrote:Before any of you start BS on how we should have tried to take him out, here is his name "Cannibal Kane", go do a background check and then enlighten me on how can a 2 month old pilot defeat him with a venture. I'm not sure what a 2 month old pilot can do in faction war in a venture.
Here is what you could have done: Sought help from other, more experienced players. There is an ally system that allows you to bring in any other corporation or alliance into your war on your side in 4 hours at no cost, the aggressor in a war has no approximate tool.
If you can't figure out how to leverage the massive mechanical advantage the game gives you to offset the fact that the aggressor can pick his target to your advantage you deserve to lose your war.
But yeah Cannibal Kane is not someone you want to try and take on without at least direction from someone who know what they're doing. |
Duke Amarro
Welcome to new Eden
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Posted - 2013.06.28 21:56:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Duke Amarro wrote:Before any of you start BS on how we should have tried to take him out, here is his name "Cannibal Kane", go do a background check and then enlighten me on how can a 2 month old pilot defeat him with a venture. I'm not sure what a 2 month old pilot can do in faction war in a venture. Here is what you could have done: Sought help from other, more experienced players. There is an ally system that allows you to bring in any other corporation or alliance into your war on your side in 4 hours at no cost, the aggressor in a war has no approximate tool. If you can't figure out how to leverage the massive mechanical advantage the game gives you to offset the fact that the aggressor can pick his target to your advantage you deserve to lose your war. But yeah Cannibal Kane is not someone you want to try and take on without at least direction from someone who know what they're doing.
the venture bit was sarcasm on the ridiculous attitude of some experienced players (like the second post). That even if I told them "but i only can fly frigates for now" they'd answer "even ventures can be used in pvp." I intend on using a punisher for FW, while fighting on the ground DUST 514 side for the same districts.
On the ally system, I would like to know more about it please. Point me in the right direction.
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
320
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Posted - 2013.06.28 22:51:00 -
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Duke Amarro wrote:
get to experience PvP with someone our size.
Not going to happen. You came from Dust where there are matches set up to be "fair". That's not the EVE way. I seriously doubt Kane picked you guys out of the blue and he's not invulnerable to a trap...that's a smart and tough customer you locked horns with but fighting him will teach you a lot in a short amount of time.
Compliment his glorious hair and sexy chesticles, he likes that.
...oh wait you own districts?....yeah, you're beat on this side get some friends. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1350
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Posted - 2013.06.28 23:40:00 -
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It is possible for CEOs and Directors in corporations and members of the Executor corporation in alliances to "Offer Assistance" to a corporation that is at war. They can do that from either the wars tab of their corporation window, from the war history tab of your corp/alliance info or just from a straight link to the war report. The group sending the offer can specify a reason and if they want isk in exchange for joining. The first ally to join the war costs nothing except any fee the ally wants, the second costs 10 million, the second 20, the third 30 etc.
When you get an offer the CEO/Directors will get a notification about it at which point they have 24 hours to accept the offer before it expires. You can also request assistance from the war tab of the corporation window if you have the appropriate roles, but that doesn't really do much.
The primary use of the Ally system is to provide a more structured way to hire mercenaries and to more easily facilitate different corporations/alliances cooperating for the purpose of mutual defense.
Basically if you know people who are willing to help you, or you can pay people to be willing to help you, you can get assistance in your wars with very lit. |
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Steve WingYip
Lumodynamics Power Control Corp Panda Cave
1105
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Posted - 2013.06.28 23:56:00 -
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Duke Amarro wrote:So me and my friend have been playing DUST 514 for a little over a year, a couple of months ago we decided to explore the heavens after we got bored with planetary conquest and FW DUST 514 side. Out of the blue one veteran with a very interesting employment history and a 1.5 billion bounty declares war on our 2 man corp. Seeing that we stand no chance against him, we decided to leave the corp until this storm passes, we can still manage the corp on dust side, though in a very limited way. My question is, why would a vet spend 50 million to declare war on total noob nobodies? am I missing something? is there a tricky new eden ploy at play here ? please explain to me.
p.s. We're not avoiding PvP, we actually were preparing to start FW this week, and get to experience PvP with someone our size.
Lot's of bored players do this. I love eve and love the consequences but I do feel bad for the low end corps that are just learning and get war decced by top end pvpers. It is quite stupid. |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
826
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Posted - 2013.06.29 00:12:00 -
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I dont know Kane personally or have had any interaction with him beyond seeing the name here and there, but from the little i have seen I'm tempted to say that you (or your friend) most likely said something in local, on the forums, in a chat or whatever that rubbed him the wrong way or made him feel the need to "teach you a lesson".
But it is also fully possible that he just got bored, saw one or both of you flying around, went trough a list over corporations who had offices in a certain station, picked your name from local, from the recruitment tool or whatever.
The point is, we cant know the exact reason, only he will. And chances are you will never know exactly why, and you will have this happen again. You need to find ways around it, or learn to deal with it. For now leaving your corp works, but further down the line you might want to either fight back, get friends to help you, hire mercs, or let the aggressors be bored camping the station your in while your afk playing another game for a week. Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Duke Amarro
Welcome to new Eden
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Posted - 2013.06.29 00:14:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Duke Amarro wrote:
get to experience PvP with someone our size.
Not going to happen. You came from Dust where there are matches set up to be "fair". That's not the EVE way. I seriously doubt Kane picked you guys out of the blue and he's not invulnerable to a trap...that's a smart and tough customer you locked horns with but fighting him will teach you a lot in a short amount of time. Compliment his glorious hair and sexy chesticles, he likes that. ...oh wait you own districts?....yeah, you're beat on this side get some friends.
Correction, Dust doesn't have matches set up to be fair, if you start a new character in dust you get one game mode only called academy, once you have more than 2 million Skill Points or more than 10,000 War points it disappears from your playlist and gets replaced by the normal game modes, where you can use whatever gear you want, nothing limits you but your CPU, PG, and isk wallet.
And yes we own districts, planets, and a constellation in Molden heath. I don't think we're beat on this side, this is just me and 1 friend playing around with eve for the first time. My DUST 514 corp do have a proper EVE side alliance and coalition that I don't want to be involved with just yet, main reason being I am still enjoying the magical feeling of a new world with endless possibilities, the relaxing feeling of the beautiful music coupled with amazing visuals on mining trips, or the excitement of my first ninja salvaging adventure where a myrmidon shot and almost killed me for salvaging his mission wrecks, thanks to CONCORD I ended up salvaging his myrmidon's wreck too...something old players forgot.
I don't want to rush to null sec life just yet, I want to romance EVE before I bend her over and take her. |
Schmata Bastanold
Keep It Burning Stupid
872
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Posted - 2013.06.29 00:34:00 -
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I may be drunk atm but I would like to point out one thing. You own frakk in MH. MH belongs to Eve players, to R1FTA, to 7/2, to THC2 to name a few entities. You are just ground worms without any meaning and significance. CCP may give you 3rd rate shooter and promise shinies but for now you mean nothing to us.
Newbies are easy prey but we owe them nothing. Some help them, some squish them - that's the way of Eve. Learn it fast and deal with it. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
320
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Posted - 2013.06.29 01:21:00 -
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Duke Amarro wrote:
And yes we own districts, planets, and a constellation in Molden heath. I don't think we're beat on this side, this is just me and 1 friend playing around with eve for the first time. My DUST 514 corp do have a proper EVE side alliance and coalition that I don't want to be involved with just yet, main reason being I am still enjoying the magical feeling of a new world with endless possibilities, the relaxing feeling of the beautiful music coupled with amazing visuals on mining trips, OR....
...getting war deced and having to deal with it?
I kinda think the owning districts thing is bull, too. Either that or you're cannon fodder in DUST and your EVE alliance won't bother helping you? |
Duke Amarro
Welcome to new Eden
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Posted - 2013.06.29 01:50:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:I may be drunk atm but I would like to point out one thing. You own frakk in MH. MH belongs to Eve players, to R1FTA, to 7/2, to THC2 to name a few entities. You are just ground worms without any meaning and significance. CCP may give you 3rd rate shooter and promise shinies but for now you mean nothing to us.
Newbies are easy prey but we owe them nothing. Some help them, some squish them - that's the way of Eve. Learn it fast and deal with it.
Who owns the all the districts of all the temperate planets in MH ? It is decided by DUST players, not EVE pilots.
You call DUST 514 a third rate shooter on year one, GameRankings gave EVE 74% and Metacritic gave it 69% ranking on year one, look at EVE now, and imagine what CCP can do with dust down the road.
Though now that I am a pilot in space, I have to agree with you dust players do feel like ground worms. Just like how eve pilots seemed like gods when I was just an infantry....until I got to experience first hand how many are grieving A holes, few are decent. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
67
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Posted - 2013.06.29 02:06:00 -
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If you've just started playing Eve you have no business running your own corp. Just because you can train the "CEO" skill doesn't mean you're qualified to do it. Drop the corp and go back to NPC corps. Then find a corp run by pilots qualified to do so and learn from them. Your alternative is to have Canniable Kane blow up every freakin' ship you undock until you quit. They guy is a monster. A monster a more experienced CEO with more than two pilots in corp might be able to deal with, but not you guys.
As for why? Why not. Wardecs are fun. Hunting pilots down and blowing them up is fun. Could be other reasons.. maybe someone doesn't like you and paid Kane to hunt you. Or he just saw you flying around in your newbie corp and thought he'd introduce you to some emergent game play. Heck, ask him. He's actually a pretty nice guy... Just a nice guy who wants to blow you up. I have 5 different chars that I play. This may be my main, or maybe not. I have no idea. |
gfldex
669
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Posted - 2013.06.29 02:16:00 -
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Duke Amarro wrote:until I got to experience first hand how many are grieving A holes, few are decent.
You are welcome. If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain. |
Zanzbar
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
143
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Posted - 2013.06.29 02:31:00 -
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its probably not the case but consider that the motives for the war could originate in dust. i declared war on the Zion TCD guys at the start of the year as a way to welcome some of our dust rivals at the time into the world of eve, most here wont know who they are but you might. it took them a while to figure out where the war came from and was fun giving our rivals a rough time by catching them out of their element. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1350
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Posted - 2013.06.29 03:36:00 -
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I could just ask Cannibal Kane or something and find out the actual reason but that'd be no fun. |
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Praxis Ginimic
Dark Knight Legion The Hydra Confederacy
379
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Posted - 2013.06.29 05:14:00 -
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Wow. All that "no trolling griefing on the new citizens sub-section goes right out the window when dust bunnies roll in.
You guys got a tough draw there. Kane will mess up your week. If you bring in allies then Kane and Stone Cold will bring out their latest Somali U class to make you and your allies look stupid. Have fun with that man. Just fly safe and keep your head low till this passes. Otherwise, HTFU! Don't bring whiney posts like this to the forum. Instead ask for advice on how to set up a trap.
Welcome to EVE |
Jonah Gravenstein
Caliban Logistics and Storage
9436
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Posted - 2013.06.29 05:22:00 -
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Praxis Ginimic wrote:Wow. All that "no trolling griefing on the new citizens sub-section goes right out the window when dust bunnies roll in.
You guys got a tough draw there. Kane will mess up your week. If you bring in allies then Kane and Stone Cold will bring out their latest Somali U class to make you and your allies look stupid. Have fun with that man. Just fly safe and keep your head low till this passes. Otherwise, HTFU! Don't bring whiney posts like this to the forum. Instead ask for advice on how to set up a trap.
Welcome to EVE He's got to blood the newbros somehow
In Eve you're a god, why have morals? |
gfldex
669
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Posted - 2013.06.29 11:41:00 -
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The war started a minute ago. Congratulations to the OP to start to whine halve a day before anything could have happened. If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1057
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Posted - 2013.06.29 14:24:00 -
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Welcome to TQ BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Nox Solitudo
Space Ants
15
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Posted - 2013.06.29 15:22:00 -
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So, is this the welcoming and oh so helpful community of EVE? That DUST guy didn't know that New Eden IS REALLY harsh. Please don't be morons and remember that almost every other game, from CoD to SWTOR protects its players from any form of emergent gameplay (lol), and let them to exist in a pre-scripted world with only few choices allowed. Some people naturally complain because they are simply not used to it. Just drag them in, explain them what they are part of, give them some advices but ******* STOP TROLLING/LAUGHING ON NEWBIES, if you actually want newbies in this game. |
Nox Solitudo
Space Ants
15
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Posted - 2013.06.29 15:25:00 -
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gfldex wrote:The war started a minute ago. Congratulations to the OP to start to whine halve a day before anything could have happened.
Congratulations for the most ******** post in this thread. Also congratulations for feeling like a big hero first time in your life, you managed to laugh at confused newbie, what an awesome achievement. |
Vincent R'lyeh
Screaming Hayabusa
227
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Posted - 2013.06.29 15:50:00 -
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Confirming that Molden Heath belongs to the Pirate Brotherhood and anyone else is merely meat for the picking I have deliberately developed an air of cynicism that I originally intended to make me appear somewhat louche and caddish but actually comes across as irritable hostility combined with the unspoken threat of sudden violence..... |
Jonah Gravenstein
Caliban Logistics and Storage
9439
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Posted - 2013.06.29 16:22:00 -
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Nox Solitudo wrote:So, is this the welcoming and oh so helpful community of EVE? That DUST guy didn't know that New Eden IS REALLY harsh. Please don't be morons and remember that almost every other game, from CoD to SWTOR protects its players from any form of emergent gameplay (lol), and let them to exist in a pre-scripted world with only few choices allowed. Some people naturally complain because they are simply not used to it. Just drag them in, explain them what they are part of, give them some advices but ******* STOP TROLLING/LAUGHING ON NEWBIES, if you actually want newbies in this game.
If the OP had said "Someone declared war on me and my newbros, how do we fight back?", instead of what he did post, he would have got a much better response, and probably some help to.
In Eve you're a god, why have morals? |
Nox Solitudo
Space Ants
16
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Posted - 2013.06.29 17:20:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote: If the OP had said "Someone declared war on me and my newbros, how do we fight back?" he would probably have got some good advice and some sympathy, but he posted what he did, and has been thoroughly ridiculed because of it.
He posted "why would a vet spend 50 million to declare war on total noob nobodies? am I missing something? is there a tricky new eden ploy at play here ? please explain to me." Some people responded with "yes vets do that, deal with it, here's what to do", which is actually valuable and the guy now knows that this is a part of EVE life. Ridiculed for what? Have you ever seen some of those _real_ whines, a la "omg our peaceful corp of miners got wardecced by this uber veteran, EVE is so unfair CCP fix it", or even better "CCP this game is unbalanced, I know it because I am experienced player being in WoW for whole 5 yrs, now immediately do this and that to fix your game"? That's something worth of laugh, not this guy.
On the other side - it's awesome to watch people repeating monkeys, banana and ice water experiment here in EVE.
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
4
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Posted - 2013.06.29 17:23:00 -
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easy enough to copy and paste from another thread without being a **** to newbs who are in the acclimatization phase who didn't know a thing about EvE before they started...
"Step 1. Disband your corp Step 2. Join Faction Warfare Step 3. Grind some LP for a day or two so you can afford a crapload of T1 frigs Step 4. Go make internet spaceships go boom and learn how to PVP while having loads of fun."
Hrmmm, should add another step at some point about finding an experienced player corp to join that is cool with nubs. Maybe next time. |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Caliban Logistics and Storage
9441
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Posted - 2013.06.29 17:33:00 -
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Nox Solitudo wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote: If the OP had said "Someone declared war on me and my newbros, how do we fight back?" he would probably have got some good advice and some sympathy, but he posted what he did, and has been thoroughly ridiculed because of it.
He posted "why would a vet spend 50 million to declare war on total noob nobodies? am I missing something? is there a tricky new eden ploy at play here ? please explain to me." Some people responded with "yes vets do that, deal with it, here's what to do", which is actually valuable and the guy now knows that this is a part of EVE life. Ridiculed for what? Have you ever seen some of those _real_ whines, a la "omg our peaceful corp of miners got wardecced by this uber veteran, EVE is so unfair CCP fix it", or even better "CCP this game is unbalanced, I know it because I am experienced player being in WoW for whole 5 yrs, now immediately do this and that to fix your game"? That's something worth of laugh, not this guy. On the other side - it's awesome to watch people repeating monkeys, banana and ice water experiment here in EVE. You need to lighten up, the ridicule bit was sarcasm. My statement remains true though, in the original post his solution was to drop corp and turtle up, while a completely valid strategy to avoid a wardec it is somewhat pointless, because they'll learn nothing from it. Losing a fight against Cannibal Kane isn't shameful, he's good at what he does and he'd probably pass on pointers if asked. Hiding from it .. meh.
In Eve you're a god, why have morals? |
Duke Amarro
Welcome to new Eden
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Posted - 2013.06.29 18:21:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:If the OP had said "Someone declared war on me and my newbros, how do we fight back?" he would probably have got some good advice and some sympathy, but he posted what he did, and has been thoroughly ridiculed because of it.
I am not looking for sympathy, nor advice actually. What my OP was asking for is explanation, simple as that. And few helpful players did explain to me what's going on.
Jonah Gravenstein wrote: his solution was to drop corp and turtle up, while a completely valid strategy to avoid a wardec it is somewhat pointless, because they'll learn nothing from it. Losing a fight against Cannibal Kane isn't shameful, he's good at what he does and he'd probably pass on pointers if asked. Hiding from it .. meh.
I made a decision not to go beyond frigates until I have certain skills maxed out, I don't want to spend isk on bigger hulls until I maximize their potential. That being said, how do you suggest I lose to him ? And what am I going to learn by getting killed by Kane? The same lesson the guy who brought a knife to gunfight learned? You say losing to Kane isn't shameful, I say losing to Kane is stupid if you can avoid it.
You say I turtle up? no i am not "turtling" up, I am an ant scrambling for its nest to avoid being squished by an elephant.
This is my first thread on the forums, got to see the sharp contrast betweem the altruistically helpful players, and the other kind that honestly should just stay away from anything involved with rookies. Trolling new citizens seems like a past time for many, like that drunk guy who contributed nothing to the post except for his 2 cents on how a ps3 shooter doesn't mean anything to him. |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
5
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Posted - 2013.06.29 18:28:00 -
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" got to see the sharp contrast betweem the altruistically helpful players, and the other kind that honestly should just stay away from anything involved with rookies."
Hey! What about us selfishly (moderately) helpful sorts?
P.S. Learning about PvP in hisec is rough, and it takes too long. Come join Gallente Militia in a Player Corp and you will learn much faster. (find the corp first as there might be a couple things you want to do before being at war like moving ships and setting up supplies). |
Zanzbar
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
143
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Posted - 2013.06.29 22:26:00 -
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even thoguh it may have been said a bit harshly by some others it is true the at this moment there is little reason for eve players to care who owns a dust district. you get some bonuses to POS processes if you hapen to own one in molden heath around a planet in which dust mercs in your corp also own a district... so almost nobody.
im currious to know who your main group is as might shed some light on th reasons for the war, wouldent be the first war delcared on sombody because of who they are known to work with. |
Maximilian Akora
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.29 23:13:00 -
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Generally ppl get wardecced because they stand out, mostly because they spam, troll or boast a lot. In most games you can get away with that but in EVE people can call you on it. So unless you know how to bite, don't bark. |
Nox Solitudo
Space Ants
17
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Posted - 2013.06.29 23:28:00 -
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Maximilian Akora wrote:Generally ppl get wardecced because they stand out, mostly because they spam, troll or boast a lot. In most games you can get away with that but in EVE people can call you on it. So unless you know how to bite, don't bark.
Or because they mine somewhere. It's really hard to say what goes through the mind of someone who wardecs people in highsec, and keeping low profile all the time means you're not enjoying the game. So I guess - no matter what, learn how to bite :) |
Maximilian Akora
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.29 23:54:00 -
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Nox Solitudo wrote:Maximilian Akora wrote:Generally ppl get wardecced because they stand out, mostly because they spam, troll or boast a lot. In most games you can get away with that but in EVE people can call you on it. So unless you know how to bite, don't bark. Or because they mine somewhere. It's really hard to say what goes through the mind of someone who wardecs people in highsec, and keeping low profile all the time means you're not enjoying the game. So I guess - no matter what, learn how to bite :)
Nah, just because someone is mining, in and of itself, means nothing. Generally it's people having a big mouth, a stupid name or corp name or or something similar that stands out.
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
326
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Posted - 2013.06.30 02:49:00 -
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Duke Amarro wrote: I made a decision not to go beyond frigates until I have certain skills maxed out, I don't want to spend isk on bigger hulls until I maximize their potential. That being said, how do you suggest I lose to him ? And what am I going to learn by getting killed by Kane? The same lesson the guy who brought a knife to a gunfight learned? You say losing to Kane isn't shameful, I say losing to Kane is stupid if you can avoid it.
Here's the reason everyone is jumping on him. He isn't reading a damn thing and thinks he knows what's going on. The original question is a whine...why pay 50mil? It's a game mechanic and you're a free target. The part about owning Molden Heath is also laughable.
Read the avoiding loss part real close...becuase at this point he thinks he can and hasen't read anything about why you would actually fight the guy. Then check out the only flying frigates part where he thinks to even fight he needs something bigger.
Dead man walkin'. |
Duke Amarro
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.06.30 03:25:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Here's the reason everyone is jumping on him. He isn't reading a damn thing and thinks he knows what's going on. The original question is a whine...why pay 50mil? It's a game mechanic and you're a free target. The part about owning Molden Heath is also laughable.
Read the avoiding loss part real close...becuase at this point he thinks he can and hasen't read anything about why you would actually fight the guy. Then check out the only flying frigates part where he thinks to even fight he needs something bigger.
Dead man walkin'.
For a gay man, you sound really sour and unhappy. Just sayin'. |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
326
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Posted - 2013.06.30 03:52:00 -
[40] - Quote
Duke Amarro wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Here's the reason everyone is jumping on him. He isn't reading a damn thing and thinks he knows what's going on. The original question is a whine...why pay 50mil? It's a game mechanic and you're a free target. The part about owning Molden Heath is also laughable.
Read the avoiding loss part real close...becuase at this point he thinks he can and hasen't read anything about why you would actually fight the guy. Then check out the only flying frigates part where he thinks to even fight he needs something bigger.
Dead man walkin'. For a gay man, you sound really sour and unhappy. Just sayin'.
I'm the gay man and you're the one taking it up the poopchute from Kane? How's his bird taste after that? |
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1352
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Posted - 2013.06.30 15:42:00 -
[41] - Quote
Nox Solitudo wrote:Or because they mine somewhere. It's really hard to say what goes through the mind of someone who wardecs people in highsec, and keeping low profile all the time means you're not enjoying the game. So I guess - no matter what, learn how to bite :)
Regardless of how seemingly arbitrary a war declaration might be there is always some kind of reason behind it. Usually like you said it's because you did something that made you stand out as either a good target or an idiot that deserves to be shot at. You might be engaging in some activity that you think is perfectly innocuous only for someone who prefers to target people doing that exact thing to be flying by at the exact time you're doing it.
Just being in an absurdly badly fit ship, like a battleship with the wrong type of guns on it can make you a target if you decide it's a great idea to sit outside a busy station in it.
There's no way to totally eliminate incoming war declarations just because of the different criteria people use to chose targets can vary dramatically depending on how different groups operate. |
Cipher7
Colelie Victims Relief Fund
110
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Posted - 2013.06.30 17:29:00 -
[42] - Quote
Mind your manners, console behavior is not tolerated.
It's not for you to demand, demean, or otherwise bare your teeth at this stage. You are to ask for help and guidance and maintain a "I am cool, you are cool too" attitude.
You should not ask "Why is Cannibal Kane allowed to bend me over," that is not for you to judge.
You should ask "What should we do? Please advise us."
In time you will come to understand, the wardec system is designed to drive people out of the game who don't belong here. |
Duke Amarro
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.06.30 18:09:00 -
[43] - Quote
Cipher7 wrote:Mind your manners, console behavior is not tolerated.
It's not for you to demand, demean, or otherwise bare your teeth at this stage. You are to ask for help and guidance and maintain a "I am cool, you are cool too" attitude.
You should not ask "Why is Cannibal Kane allowed to bend me over," that is not for you to judge.
You should ask "What should we do? Please advise us."
In time you will come to understand, the wardec system is designed to drive people out of the game who don't belong here.
Read my OP again and point out where did I ask "why was he allowed to attack me?" I asked why would a vet attack noobs, there must be something he is getting out of it, and i was interested to know what it is. I am a new player, so it is not likely someone hired him to do it. Now people explained that he must have done it for laughs. I did ask him and he confirmed I was an unlucky random target. Now I understand.
What I don't understand is sour people like yourself, my unhappy gay LGBT friend and few others. What are you trying to accomplish? This is not a chat room, this is a thread that could enlighten new players about some aspects of the game, so stop polluting it.
Last but not least, who are you to tell me what's for me to do or not ? and at what stage should "I bare my teeth"? whatever the hell that mean. This is EVE New Citizens Q&A section, not EVE Old Citizens G&T section. So stop your Grief and Troll please. |
Duke Amarro
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.06.30 18:56:00 -
[44] - Quote
Zanzbar wrote:even thoguh it may have been said a bit harshly by some others it is true the at this moment there is little reason for eve players to care who owns a dust district. you get some bonuses to POS processes if you hapen to own one in molden heath around a planet in which dust mercs in your corp also own a district... so almost nobody.
im currious to know who your main group is as might shed some light on th reasons for the war, wouldent be the first war delcared on sombody because of who they are known to work with. Ask Zaria :) |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1352
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Posted - 2013.06.30 21:21:00 -
[45] - Quote
People get extremely hostile towards new players that have or appear to have an attitude of entitlement towards not being shot at by whoever wants to shoot at them. Which is the impression a lot of people got from your post.
Obviously everyone is entitled to shoot at whoever they please for whatever reason suits them. If you actually want to know why someone picked you to shoot at the only way to know is to ask that person. |
Gaellia Bonaventure
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1138
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Posted - 2013.06.30 21:49:00 -
[46] - Quote
Duke Amarro wrote: someone our size.
There is so such thing in EVE as a fair fight....most of the time.
Welcome to EVE. Have fun! :)
Bring your possibles. |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
332
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Posted - 2013.07.01 01:30:00 -
[47] - Quote
Well, I don't know what caused your first war but I know what's going to cause the next one. |
lollerwaffle
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
61
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Posted - 2013.07.01 06:40:00 -
[48] - Quote
9 people say: There's something wrong with your attitude. Instead of questioning the why of it, you could instead ask, how do I avoid this? How do I fight back? If I can't beat him, what can I do instead? If I strike up a conversation with him, will he help/teach me?
1 newbie says: You're all wrong, I know what to do already, my awesome attitude is NOT a problem.
More vets offer help and advice, none taken.
There OP, spotted your problem. Fix your know-it-all attitude and you should hopefully avoid the next few wardecs that arise from this thread. |
lollerwaffle
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
61
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Posted - 2013.07.01 06:43:00 -
[49] - Quote
Duke Amarro wrote:Before any of you start BS on how we should have tried to take him out, here is his name "Cannibal Kane", go do a background check and then enlighten me on how can a 2 month old pilot defeat him with a venture. BTW, this is an example of the 'know-it-all' attitude that's the root cause of the derision and trolling in this thread. Before anyone actually offers any advice you make a post rejecting any incoming information outright. Well done. |
Duke Amarro
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.07.01 07:24:00 -
[50] - Quote
I ask the moderators to kindly lock the thread, I got answers to my questions, and the thread is turning into ad hominem.
To the kind positive replies, thank you for your help. It is appreciated, good karma is on its way to you.
To those who think I have an attitude they don't appreciate, you could have simply ignored the thread, denied me your knowledge, and spared me your opinions on my personality. I didn't invade your personal space and you're not forced to interact with me.
PS. Hats off to CCP for being able to deal successfully with such customers for 10 years. So masochistic. |
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Cannibal Kane
Temple of Kane
1956
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Posted - 2013.07.01 07:31:00 -
[51] - Quote
Lets put a stop to this thread.
That corp was on my list when I saw a 2004 player in an extremely expensively fitted ship 1 or 2 months ago.
I make a list of corps I plan on deccing. It can range from...
Rude in local Posting Corp recruitment in local Jumping a gate and seeing 5 or 6 of the same corp on a gate. Corp spam cans in belts White Knight Corps People posted idiotic thing on the forums If your a Nightmare Pilot (Because that is the only faction BS is have not popped yet)
And Last but not least somebody paying me to do so even though I don't really do the merc thing anymore. If the isk is good why not.
I don't berate my targets and never smacktalk them. People see an older player and immediately think he is unbeatable which is never the case. Otherwise I would have been a lot when I was younger ingame. I am always outnumbered and any corp able to function as a group will be able to keep me docked or pop me. it is really that simple.
As for why spend 50mil to dec a corp. 50mil is nothing and well worth the reasons above.
I am not a monster and many of my ex war targets convo me for advice... hell their members even join my training corp in hopes to help their corp learn.
Was the OP a bit aggressive in post? Yes.. unfortunately I see this thread is going to cause them more issues in the future when he creates another corp then I ever would of with my war.
"I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Maika Mabata
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.07.01 08:19:00 -
[52] - Quote
Nox Solitudo wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote: If the OP had said "Someone declared war on me and my newbros, how do we fight back?" he would probably have got some good advice and some sympathy, but he posted what he did, and has been thoroughly ridiculed because of it.
He posted "why would a vet spend 50 million to declare war on total noob nobodies? am I missing something? is there a tricky new eden ploy at play here ? please explain to me." Some people responded with "yes vets do that, deal with it, here's what to do", which is actually valuable and the guy now knows that this is a part of EVE life. Ridiculed for what? Have you ever seen some of those _real_ whines, a la "omg our peaceful corp of miners got wardecced by this uber veteran, EVE is so unfair CCP fix it", or even better "CCP this game is unbalanced, I know it because I am experienced player being in WoW for whole 5 yrs, now immediately do this and that to fix your game"? That's something worth of laugh, not this guy. On the other side - it's awesome to watch people repeating monkeys, banana and ice water experiment here in EVE.
OP came to EVE expecting a less harsh place then expected.
He made his own corp without knowing what it wqould open him up to things like wardecs.
So, the laughing is deserved, he jumped into something without proper research and now complains how people use legit game mechanics against him. |
Maika Mabata
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.07.01 08:26:00 -
[53] - Quote
Duke Amarro wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Here's the reason everyone is jumping on him. He isn't reading a damn thing and thinks he knows what's going on. The original question is a whine...why pay 50mil? It's a game mechanic and you're a free target. The part about owning Molden Heath is also laughable.
Read the avoiding loss part real close...becuase at this point he thinks he can and hasen't read anything about why you would actually fight the guy. Then check out the only flying frigates part where he thinks to even fight he needs something bigger.
Dead man walkin'. For a gay man, you sound really sour and unhappy. Just sayin'.
And this is actual the sole reson he gets trolled. He has the attitude of a ******** 12 year old person. Keep to your console games, people in EVE don't like your kind and will likely never give any advice with such an attitude.
I agree, you turtled up and think you need max skill to fight.
Both are wrong. If you picked a cheap fit, fought Cannibal Kane, you would have lost the ship but won the fight. You would have learned something from it. Hiding in your npc corp will only attract more harm to you, as now people know they can make you rage on the forums by wardeccing you. |
Maika Mabata
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.07.01 08:28:00 -
[54] - Quote
Duke Amarro wrote:Cipher7 wrote:Mind your manners, console behavior is not tolerated.
It's not for you to demand, demean, or otherwise bare your teeth at this stage. You are to ask for help and guidance and maintain a "I am cool, you are cool too" attitude.
You should not ask "Why is Cannibal Kane allowed to bend me over," that is not for you to judge.
You should ask "What should we do? Please advise us."
In time you will come to understand, the wardec system is designed to drive people out of the game who don't belong here. Read my OP again and point out where did I ask "why was he allowed to attack me?" I asked why would a vet attack noobs, there must be something he is getting out of it, and i was interested to know what it is. I am a new player, so it is not likely someone hired him to do it. Now people explained that he must have done it for laughs. I did ask him and he confirmed I was an unlucky random target. Now I understand. What I don't understand is sour people like yourself, my unhappy gay LGBT friend and few others. What are you trying to accomplish? This is not a chat room, this is a thread that could enlighten new players about some aspects of the game, so stop polluting it. Last but not least, who are you to tell me what's for me to do or not ? and at what stage should "I bare my teeth"? whatever the hell that mean. This is EVE New Citizens Q&A section, not EVE Old Citizens G&T section. So stop your Grief and Troll please.
He does it cause he can.
What does he get out of it: Your raging posts here about EVE being unfair and your attitude being bad.
He just won the war.
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Duke Amarro
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.07.01 08:57:00 -
[55] - Quote
Maika Mabata wrote:blah blah blah Are you sure you wrote enough posts? because 3 consecutive posts in less than 10 minutes clearly arent't enough. especially after the two parties directly involved in the matter (Cannibal kane and I) asked for a stop to the thread.
CCP, Please put a stop to the thread and lock it. |
Maika Mabata
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.07.01 09:13:00 -
[56] - Quote
Duke Amarro wrote:Maika Mabata wrote:blah blah blah Are you sure you wrote enough posts? because 3 consecutive posts in less than 10 minutes clearly arent't enough. especially after the two parties directly involved in the matter (Cannibal kane and I) asked for a stop to the thread. CCP, Please put a stop to the thread and lock it.
Exactly the attitude I was talking about.
I will await further threads about you being wardecced where ever you go. |
Kordus Aelar
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.01 09:34:00 -
[57] - Quote
Just want to say...
I play on Consoles, and I play MMOs on PC.
I see far more childish behavior from so-called "hardcore PVPers" in my MMOs, than I do on my Console games.
then again, I don't play crap like Call of Duty, which is apparently where all the little kids are.
either way, this thread is isn't about of "console players", so why bash them unnecessarily?
it's just one guy who doesn't understand how EVE works. |
Kordus Aelar
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.01 09:40:00 -
[58] - Quote
Cipher7 wrote:Mind your manners, console behavior is not tolerated.
It's not for you to demand, demean, or otherwise bare your teeth at this stage. You are to ask for help and guidance and maintain a "I am cool, you are cool too" attitude.
You should not ask "Why is Cannibal Kane allowed to bend me over," that is not for you to judge.
You should ask "What should we do? Please advise us."
In time you will come to understand, the wardec system is designed to drive people out of the game who don't belong here.
this is, while probably sage advice, put forth in an incredibly condescending manner.
I can just see, in my mind's eye, Cipher7 waggling his finger in the guy's face, saying "you aren't allowed to speak until you've played 6 years." |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
339
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Posted - 2013.07.01 14:19:00 -
[59] - Quote
Duke Amarro wrote:Maika Mabata wrote:blah blah blah CCP, Please put a stop to the thread and lock it.
Expect lots of this type of response when you ask CCP to clean up your mess. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2226
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Posted - 2013.07.01 16:47:00 -
[60] - Quote
This thread is .... mostly unhelpful...
I don't know why people are ranting about districts, and who owns what, the value of Dust players, et al... but they need to go vent elsewhere; Not in New Citizens.
A few points:
One of my favorite things about 3rd person shooters (I was a CS and PS player for a long time), is that newbs can still defeat veterans. This is true in EvE as well. I don't know your combat capabilities, but you can be in a viable combat ready Frigate easily within 2 weeks.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Cannibal+Kane#knownShips
Now, 2 vs 1, where they are flying lots of "advanced ships" (T3, Machariels, Vindicators, CS's), will be hard to take on (at least in two t1 frigates). When he comes out in an AF (Vengeance, Wolf) or even the Cynabal, he's very engageable with both of you in t1 frigates, when you read up and understand how to engage them. You need to become familiar with EWAR, learn to work as a team, and carefully pick when you engage before you'll have "success", but I think you could have had a lot of fun learning off this guy.
As for why he would target you? Why do you shoot that new character in Dust that doesn't move after they spawn? In truth, it doesn't matter why, all that matters is what you plan to do about it.
Next, joining FW as a newb corp (especially with just you and your buddy), is a giant mixed bag of worms: Depending on where you move and what timezone you play, you may find lots of interesting and enjoyable fights, you may find overwhelming force, or you may be a part of that overwhelming force. I hope you have the best of luck in targets. I must warn you however, that one thing you will find ubiquitously throughout FW is the use of booster alts. Learn to scan a system, and pay attention to local, so you can identify when you are fighting a player utilizing boosters, vs fighting someone without. The reason I bring this up, is that while an all level V character might have 10-20% more tank, 10-20% more speed, more dps, etc... a booster will can give 30-60% more tank, 15-35% more speed, 20-50% more tackle range, etc... on top of any advantages due to skills. Boosters don't need to be on grid to give this bonus to fleet mates, making it appear that you are taking on a single ship when in fact it is often buffed to an extreme.
Common booster ships are Tech3 Cruisers [Loki (Speed & Tackle), Legion (Armor bonuses), Tengu (Shield), and Proteus (EWAR strength & resistance)], although any command ship, and most BC's can give "less potent" version of the boosts described above.
The only reason I bring this up, is many new pilots decide to attempt PvP in the FW arena, and then come out thinking that they it's there poor skills that unbalanced the playing field to the point they couldn't compete. The truth is, EvE Skillpoint system gives some advantages to older players, but these are generally small advantages. It is the booster system that really destroys game balance, and since it is so overused in FW, you need to learn to identify boosters, and understand how they augment ships!!
Finally, if you want to learn some of the basics of PvP, Agony is running a PvP Basic Class (which teaches the basics of PvP fighting in frigates). We have a "Full Class" this weekend, but if you message me, I can probably pull some strings and get you (and your buddy) into the class on scholarships. One Class == two sessions; on Fri & Sat @ 23:00 EvE (this is Early-to-Mid Evening US TZs).
Here is our class signup page, with lots of info links.
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Cannibal Kane
Temple of Kane
1962
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Posted - 2013.07.01 18:41:00 -
[61] - Quote
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Bad Killboard
Use a proper Killboard... BC... sies man
http://kane.zkillboard.com/character/388372959/
"I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2227
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Posted - 2013.07.01 19:12:00 -
[62] - Quote
I haven't used zkillboard much...
I primarily use my private killboard, and when looking up public information use eve-kill and BC.
I like how BC easily allows me to check on a player's associates, and check out a player's "Known ships" information. It's just not used as much as it used to be (::sadface::).
Zkillboard is nice, but doesn't quite generate this content in such a quickly accessible format (which is what I need when I have 45 seconds to decide if I'll engage or not, and their fitting choice is the difference between a lossmail and a killmail).
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
344
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Posted - 2013.07.01 22:17:00 -
[63] - Quote
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:. It is the booster system that really destroys game balance
Eh? that part really isn't true...an implant set and/or drugs have similar effects. Being able to identify them is good but thinking you can't win using some crafty tactics because the game balance is ruined is wrong.
(I don't use or am I defending OGBs but you and I both know "on grid" doesn't have to mean "on grid" if that grid is manipulated. Unless they intend to change links to a proximity effect rather than a fleet boost they'll always be used just in a different way.)
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2234
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Posted - 2013.07.01 23:56:00 -
[64] - Quote
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:. It is the booster system that really destroys game balance Eh? that part really isn't true...an implant set and/or drugs have similar effects. Being able to identify them is good but thinking you can't win using some crafty tactics because the game balance is ruined is wrong. (I don't use or am I defending OGBs but you and I both know "on grid" doesn't have to mean "on grid" if that grid is manipulated. Unless they intend to change links to a proximity effect rather than a fleet boost they'll always be used just in a different way.)
Frankly, I disagree:
Compare Tengu Siege boosts, to Drugs, to Crystal Implants
Here is the TL; DR of the details:
The Blue pill is not terribly expensive (400k for Synth to 30m for Strong), is single use (you consume it for a 1hr boost), is hard to transport (contraband in highsec), and effects ONE pilot. It also has a decent likelihood (20-40%) of reducing your Capacitor, your Shields, your Optimal range, and your missile explosion velocity by 20-30%, depending on which strenght you use. Regardless, the max shield boost is 40%.
Now, the Crystal Set runs about 2.1+ billion isk, is in danger of being destroyed (if you lose your pod), and only effects ONE Pilot: Max Boost: 50%.
A Fleet Boosting 3-link mindlinked Tengu: Which may be sitting in 100% safety inside POS shields, gives EVERY pilot in fleet a 125% boost to shield repping ability.
I originally posted numbers, and can again if you really need proof, but that tengu booster is more effective than giving every pilot in fleet a set of crystal implants and strong boosters combined... .and then some!!!
An implant set AND drugs combine to a 90% boost in shield repping.... to ONE character. A boosting tengu gives a 125% boost in shield repping, to EVERY character in fleet.
And the boosting tengu can have additional links too.... or even more ridiculous, they can use a boosting tengu, a boosting, loki, and a boosting proteus at the same time!
Forcing them to be on grid won't reduce the ridiculous level of boosts they give, but they will be very vulnerable then, and much easier to take down!!!!
In short, boosters (especially off grid boosters), severely unbalance ships. This is something you need to watch out for when looking at PvP, as it dramatically alters the capabilities of any ship receiving their boosts.
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
346
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Posted - 2013.07.02 00:38:00 -
[65] - Quote
Yeah, only similar effects. I can't really dissagree with ya that they will give people a bad day and I'm certain you know the numbers better than I do but it's a slippery slope. The pos shields thing is over the line...yeah don't fight in systems with those unless you bring your own WTF boosts and tower. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1543
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Posted - 2013.07.02 03:14:00 -
[66] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:I'm not sure what a 2 month old pilot can do in faction war in a venture.
+2 warp stability? Seems rather obvious: Plug in the MWD and orbit at untouchable speed just under the max plex range and still be able to warp out safely when the gankers show up. Kind of like the "gunless Rifter" thing only better.
Also keep in mind that a Venture could, if someone really wanted to, be fit with guns & stuff and be (poorly) used as a frigate.
Surprised everyone isn't doing it. Ammatar - Matari by blood, Ammarian by the Grace of God. |
Galaxy Chicken
New Order Logistics CODE.
25
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Posted - 2013.07.02 03:21:00 -
[67] - Quote
Wardecs are good for you, it was a good thing that happened you you. |
Verran 'Firefox' Severasse
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.07.13 10:17:00 -
[68] - Quote
Cannibal Kane wrote:Lets put a stop to this thread.
That corp was on my list when I saw a 2004 player in an extremely expensively fitted ship 1 or 2 months ago.
I make a list of corps I plan on deccing. It can range from...
Rude in local Posting Corp recruitment in local Jumping a gate and seeing 5 or 6 of the same corp on a gate. Corp spam cans in belts and gates White Knight Corps People posted idiotic thing on the forums If your a Nightmare Pilot (Because that is the only faction BS is have not popped yet) Or a ship type I have the urge to pop. TECH II BS is next on my list of "got to get them all"
And Last but not least somebody paying me to do so even though I don't really do the merc thing anymore. If the isk is good why not.
I don't berate my targets and never smacktalk them. People see an older player and immediately think he is unbeatable which is never the case. Otherwise I would have been killed a lot when I was younger ingame. I am always outnumbered and any corp able to function as a group will be able to keep me docked or pop me. it is really that simple.
As for why spend 50mil to dec a corp. 50mil is nothing and well worth the reasons above.
I am not a monster and many of my ex war targets convo me for advice... hell their members even join my training corp in hopes to help their corp learn. Of the record I prefer to help those corp improve and function better as a group. Even though I myself hate playing with a group.
Was the OP a bit aggressive in post? Yes.. unfortunately I see this thread is going to cause them more issues in the future when he creates another corp then I ever would of with my war.
You're so not a monster...If you could be a terrorist and a good guy mixed into one; it'd be you. The main thing I have always liked about your conduct is that you're not a trash talker. You're honestly one of the few gentlemen around when it comes to wardecs.
From what I've gathered about you over the past couple of years is that you're a total Fa Zheng when it comes to tactics.
There is a fine line between pillaging/murdering/destroying to pillage/murder/destroy and pillaging/murdering/destroying to teach.
I commend you for your services. o7 |
dexington
Dexington Corporation
687
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:36:00 -
[69] - Quote
Duke Amarro wrote:Before any of you start BS on how we should have tried to take him out, here is his name "Cannibal Kane", go do a background check and then enlighten me on how can a 2 month old pilot defeat him with a venture.
He has the advantages because you want to stay in hi-sec, he probably has a lot more skill points then you which gives him freedom of choice when picking the best suited ship. If you move to low-sec, he is a lot more limited in what ships he can safely fly, and then the 2 vs. 1 element starts to matter a lot more. Even if he has perfect skills, it's not easy wining a fight against two cruisers with basic skills. If you are smart/lucky you might even be able to trap him under gate guns, and then you have a really good chance of killing him.
One advantages you can't remove is that he probably filthy rich, at least compared to yourself, and living in low-sec is not always safe and losing even cheap ships is probably going to hurt you more then him. That said once you understand the basics of low-sec survival, it's not that dangerous, if you fly relatively cheap and mobile ships.
I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Verran 'Firefox' Severasse
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:42:00 -
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dexington wrote:Duke Amarro wrote:Before any of you start BS on how we should have tried to take him out, here is his name "Cannibal Kane", go do a background check and then enlighten me on how can a 2 month old pilot defeat him with a venture. He has the advantages because you want to stay in hi-sec, he probably has a lot more skill points then you which gives him freedom of choice when picking the best suited ship. If you move to low-sec, he is a lot more limited in what ships he can safely fly, and then the 2 vs. 1 element starts to matter a lot more. Even if he has perfect skills, it's not easy wining a fight against two cruisers with basic skills. If you are smart/lucky you might even be able to trap him under gate guns, and then you have a really good chance of killing him. One advantages you can't remove is that he probably filthy rich, at least compared to yourself, and living in low-sec is not always safe and losing even cheap ships is probably going to hurt you more then him. That said once you understand the basics of low-sec survival, it's not that dangerous, if you fly relatively cheap and mobile ships.
I'd suggest they don't even bother fighting him. They probably can't afford to recoup losses repeatedly. |
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Disastro
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
85
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Posted - 2013.07.13 23:38:00 -
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Duke Amarro wrote:So me and my friend have been playing DUST 514 for a little over a year, a couple of months ago we decided to explore the heavens after we got bored with planetary conquest and FW DUST 514 side. Out of the blue one veteran with a very interesting employment history and a 1.5 billion bounty declares war on our 2 man corp. Seeing that we stand no chance against him, we decided to leave the corp until this storm passes, we can still manage the corp on dust side, though in a very limited way. My question is, why would a vet spend 50 million to declare war on total noob nobodies? am I missing something? is there a tricky new eden ploy at play here ? please explain to me.
p.s. We're not avoiding PvP, we actually were preparing to start FW this week, and get to experience PvP with someone our size.
Eve is a bit different than other games you may have played. Folks in this game tend to be focused on improving the statistics on their kill board more than they are in finding fun fights or having even battles. Folks want to win. They often look for easy targets to dominate. Someone chose you. That doesnt mean you have to feed them kills.
Avoiding dying in high sec wars is not difficult. If you see a guy with a red star by his name in local you warp to station and dock. If he doesnt leave system then you go watch tv and leave your toon logged in. Then your war target buddy can spend his time watching your system while you go enjoy life. It wont take long before he decides to spend his time war decking someone else. He wants kills. If you do not feed him kills he will move on. If you waste his time he will move on even faster. |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
31
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Posted - 2013.08.07 15:34:00 -
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you know Kane considering you say your against veterns going up against new players but seem to have done it for me
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=266942 |
Cannibal Kane
Somali Coast Guard Authority
2195
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Posted - 2013.08.07 15:54:00 -
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People posted idiotic thing on the forums "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Ned Taggart
EVE University Ivy League
23
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Posted - 2013.08.07 16:09:00 -
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Duke Amarro wrote:Read my OP again and point out where did I ask "why was he allowed to attack me?" I asked why would a vet attack noobs, there must be something he is getting out of it, and i was interested to know what it is
Well, there are 2 posts on the front page of the New Citizens board complaining about his wardecs against their corps. I say he is using delicious tears as sweetener for his warm beverage of choice.
Just learn how to play while wardecced.
If you can't move around in highsec while wardecced and only a ferw people gunning for you then you are going to be the one bent over when you decide to go to Lowsec or Nullsec. Earlier you mentioned:
Duke Amarro wrote:I don't want to rush to null sec life just yet, I want to romance EVE before I bend her over and take her.
You have that completely backwards...Seriously. |
Ortalus Darkheart
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.08 12:04:00 -
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Hi, as a fellow new player I thought i'd have my 2 ISK worth.
1, Don't fly what you can't afford to lose......... I keep reading this all the time. 2, Your attitude stinks. Your a small fish in a BIG ocean. Be polite. I'm not saying brown nose everyone just show some respect to others. 3, I read on the forums that if someone PvP's you ask them why. Don't get whiny about it, just a simple "Hi dude was there any reason why you killed me?" They might say, nothing personal or they might say you r a ****** but at least you know for next time. 4, Asking a question on the forums and then insulting people when they respond is just another reason why your gonna suffer in EVE.
Manners maketh the pod pilot! |
Disastro
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
87
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Posted - 2013.08.08 23:45:00 -
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Duke Amarro wrote:So me and my friend have been playing DUST 514 for a little over a year, a couple of months ago we decided to explore the heavens after we got bored with planetary conquest and FW DUST 514 side. Out of the blue one veteran with a very interesting employment history and a 1.5 billion bounty declares war on our 2 man corp. Seeing that we stand no chance against him, we decided to leave the corp until this storm passes, we can still manage the corp on dust side, though in a very limited way. My question is, why would a vet spend 50 million to declare war on total noob nobodies? am I missing something? is there a tricky new eden ploy at play here ? please explain to me.
p.s. We're not avoiding PvP, we actually were preparing to start FW this week, and get to experience PvP with someone our size.
Everything in Eve is relative. What may seem like an unbeatable veteran player to you may seem like a complete and utter noob to many reading these forums. This game is in the over ten year old category. A few points about this:
1. Age alone doesnt mean experience 2. Age alone doesnt necessarily mean good skill point choices 3. Age alone doesnt mean you cant gang up on him, bait him, or call in some friends to help you win outside of corp (remote reppers or people you invite to your war dec as allies) 4. Players in eve tend to evolve a bit over time. A guy war decking rookie players in high sec is probably not the most skilled pvper. He is probably just looking for easy targets. Which makes him ripe for you to kill if you choose to set him up properly 5. Nothing in eve is fair. Older players preying on younger ones is normal. Scamming or tricking young players is normal. Things that are not allowed in other mmorpgs are normal in eve. This game doesnt play favorites. Only things specifically listed in the eula are not allowed. |
lollerwaffle
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
81
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Posted - 2013.08.09 03:45:00 -
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Disastro wrote: 4. Players in eve tend to evolve a bit over time. A guy war decking rookie players in high sec is probably not the most skilled pvper. He is probably just looking for easy targets. Which makes him ripe for you to kill if you choose to set him up properly.
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Danny Kane
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
2
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Posted - 2013.08.09 06:14:00 -
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lollerwaffle wrote:Disastro wrote: 4. Players in eve tend to evolve a bit over time. A guy war decking rookie players in high sec is probably not the most skilled pvper. He is probably just looking for easy targets. Which makes him ripe for you to kill if you choose to set him up properly.
I guess you dont know who Cannibal Kane is, Disastro? But if they had the balls to team up against him they might just get a kill or two. |
AstarothPrime
Eternal Profiteers Eternal Syndicate
25
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Posted - 2013.08.09 07:54:00 -
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Gaellia Bonaventure wrote:Duke Amarro wrote: someone our size. There is so such thing in EVE as a fair fight....most of the time. Welcome to EVE. Have fun! :)
This.
Also !
1) Wardec is a nuisance, some ppl wardec for no obvious reason 2) 50M ISK is peanuts for veterans 3) Most important!!!! Seeing this thread - guy got 10 times his moneys worth in tears and pleas.
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