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Paul Otichoda State War Academy Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.06.28 22:40:00 - [1] - Quote basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants. Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink. Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you. THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS
Victoria Sin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 336	Posted - 2013.06.28 22:42:00 - [2] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants. Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink. Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you. THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS Get into a T1 frigate with T1 fittings and join RvB (make sure you keep plenty of spares).
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 4797	Posted - 2013.06.28 22:42:00 - [3] - Quote Somebody losed a duel..... *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Paul Otichoda State War Academy Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.06.28 22:44:00 - [4] - Quote Victoria Sin wrote: Paul Otichoda wrote: basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants. Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink. Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you. THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS Get into a T1 frigate with T1 fittings and join RvB (make sure you keep plenty of spares). why should I bother wasting my time on pvp when I can just go back to mining where I can actually make money and feeling like I'm doing something. In PvP I feel like nothing.
Jimmy Morane Aurora Novae Aetatis Expoit This Mf's 53	Posted - 2013.06.28 22:44:00 - [5] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: ...crying... THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS Yes there is; learn the game and STOP SHOUTING
Gallowmere Rorschach Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats 271	Posted - 2013.06.28 22:46:00 - [6] - Quote Here's an idea: check player histories before agreeing to duel. If someone is more than twice your age (assuming you are less than 6 months old), they will likely have a significant advantage over you, especially if they are trained in a specialized manner. PvP in Eve is just as much about preparation and picking your battles as it is about the pew itself.
Kijo Rikki Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables 409	Posted - 2013.06.28 22:47:00 - [7] - Quote This is a team game, get some friends and suddenly your noobness becomes useful in certain roles. It doesnt take long to train up a frigate and a point and then profit.
rey Aumer Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.06.28 22:48:00 - [8] - Quote Join FW. Plex to earn iskies until you have better skills.
Paul Otichoda State War Academy Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.06.28 22:48:00 - [9] - Quote Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: Here's an idea: check player histories before agreeing to duel. If someone is more than twice your age (assuming you are less than 6 months old), they will likely have a significant advantage over you, especially if they are trained in a specialized manner. PvP in Eve is just as much about preparation and picking your battles as it is about the pew itself. yeah you've pretty much proved my point about pvp in this game. It only really matters about how old your character is. If your character is old is most likely able to use tech 2 weapons and then its game over
Victoria Sin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 336	Posted - 2013.06.28 22:50:00 - [10] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: No I spend the night going round faction warfare systems trying to find a frigate to fight against and got instant killed in all cases. Then got gate camped and pod killed. You see why I'm not having fun You're doing it wrongGäó. Faction warfare systems? What kind of player do you expect to meet there, and what kind of ship, fitting and skill levels do you think they're going to be packing?
Peter Raptor THE AESIR. 522	Posted - 2013.06.28 22:52:00 - [11] - Quote Ive played over 3 years, and have never got a kill, but been killed plenty of times, I joined a corp, and soon contributed to about 9 kills, moral of the story, Eve is about team work, if you wanna solo pvp get a corp to teach you, so you still need a corp. Evelopedia;-á The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á
Gallowmere Rorschach Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats 271	Posted - 2013.06.28 22:52:00 - [12] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: Here's an idea: check player histories before agreeing to duel. If someone is more than twice your age (assuming you are less than 6 months old), they will likely have a significant advantage over you, especially if they are trained in a specialized manner. PvP in Eve is just as much about preparation and picking your battles as it is about the pew itself. yeah you've pretty much proved my point about pvp in this game. It only really matters about how old your character is. If your character is old is most likely able to use tech 2 weapons and then its game over Not really. I have killed many a T2 fitted frigate using a Merlin with T1 guns. It's all about knowing which ships you can take down, and what you need to be able to do in order to make this happen. Also, the current FotM involves light missile kiting frigates, and most of those that I have killed were using meta launchers, just because T2 launchers can be a pain to fit on small ships. Basically, if someone doesn't catch you before you get out of web/scram range, they're screwed, assuming they aren't faster than you.
Paul Otichoda State War Academy Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.06.28 22:53:00 - [13] - Quote Victoria Sin wrote: Paul Otichoda wrote: No I spend the night going round faction warfare systems trying to find a frigate to fight against and got instant killed in all cases. Then got gate camped and pod killed. You see why I'm not having fun You're doing it wrongGäó. Faction warfare systems? What kind of player do you expect to meet there, and what kind of ship, fitting and skill levels do you think they're going to be packing? faction warfare is market as the way to get into PvP so I expect people with tech 1 stuff like mee yet the people I see in these systems are all veterens of atleast a year. There is no one in this game it seems who are actually flying basic ships. oh yess heres my eve kill page so you can see how bad I do: http://eve-kill.net/a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1675337&view=losses&m=6&y=2013 of course this does not include tonights attempts.
Six Six Six Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 142	Posted - 2013.06.28 22:57:00 - [14] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: Victoria Sin wrote: Paul Otichoda wrote: No I spend the night going round faction warfare systems trying to find a frigate to fight against and got instant killed in all cases. Then got gate camped and pod killed. You see why I'm not having fun You're doing it wrongGäó. Faction warfare systems? What kind of player do you expect to meet there, and what kind of ship, fitting and skill levels do you think they're going to be packing? faction warfare is market as the way to get into PvP so I expect people with tech 1 stuff like mee yet the people I see in these systems are all veterens of atleast a year. There is no one in this game it seems who are actually flying basic ships. It may have changed but I seem to remember when FW was first introduced that it was not aimed at new players.
Caldari Citizen 20120308 State War Academy Caldari State 27	Posted - 2013.06.28 22:58:00 - [15] - Quote Yes there are unfair advantages for older players flying frigates versus a new player with their frigate. But the training time isn't too bad. Within 1 month you should have, if you've narrowed your skill training to frigates and the mods associated with it, your skill books should be around lvl 4-5. No mmo that I know of has there been a new player going around pawning older characters.
Riot Girl Thundercats The Initiative. 1192	Posted - 2013.06.28 23:03:00 - [16] - Quote In my first month of playing EVE, I joined a high sec corp for training newbies. I killed a Vagabond, a Dominix and Navy Dominix amounting to a total of 700m isk in ships killed. I was so chuffed because I thought that was so much money (I was still flying T1 destroyers at the time) . I killed all those ships in high sec because the corp I joined was wardecced and that corp taught me a very important lesson in psychological warfare (Double Tap). I can't remember what this thread was about. Oh god.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 3565	Posted - 2013.06.28 23:04:00 - [17] - Quote Don't fly 1v1 against better prepared opponents. Grab some friends and be the better prepared opponent. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon
SmokinDank Horizon Research Group 5	Posted - 2013.06.28 23:05:00 - [18] - Quote So you fly a tiny ship into a warzone without working with others are you're surprised you died? Sounds like it's working the right way.
GreenSeed 526	Posted - 2013.06.28 23:06:00 - [19] - Quote pvp is fine for newbs, just stop being stupid and fit ewar instead of point. also i noticed you said "money sink" i guess you are one of those new players who think plex is some form of pay to win... it isn't. you would still lose ships to 8month old players who cared to learn how to play even if you were using a 100m SP character costing upwards of 3 thousand dollars.
Silvetica Dian Manson Family The Retirement Club 20	Posted - 2013.06.28 23:09:00 - [20] - Quote i have no T2 weapons or ships trained. i am 2013 player http://kb.eve-401k.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1600685 admitedly none of this is solo 1v1 pvp but EvE is a MMO. You are supposed to play with friends. Also i suck at all aspects of PVP. i am trying to learn how to fit, i am trying to learn different ships capabilites and how to counter them, i am trying to learn manual piloting. Making friends with people that are good at these things and learning from what they say and from watching what they do is awesome. Last night i even timed some tackling runs well enough that i tackled something instead of my normal too soon they blapped me or too late they are gone. I think my point is this. Enjoying PVP as a low SP char is down to you not the game design. Winning at PvP is at least as much about player skills as it is about SP. If you are determined to play solo then u will lose a lot of ships before you start killing stuff http://flight-of-dragons.blogspot.co.uk/ this blog will show you the mindset and learning curve needed. It is one of many such blogs read it from the beginning. TL/DR . when you lose fights you can either learn and adapt or rush whining to the forums.
Victoria Sin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 337	Posted - 2013.06.28 23:10:00 - [21] - Quote Well, I sympathise with the OP in a way, but I think something has raised his expectations about "fairness" in combat in Eve, so that is the real problem here. I think pretty much the only time I see really fair fights in this game is when I'm watching the alliance tournament.
Zappity Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 151	Posted - 2013.06.28 23:11:00 - [22] - Quote T1 frigates and faction warfare or RvB if you don't need the isk. At 3m SP I was at least one for one kill/loss. Skill, rather than just skill points, matters too. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.")
Arduemont The Asteroid Solution 1569	Posted - 2013.06.28 23:11:00 - [23] - Quote I have created accounts and had them killing people on day one. PvP in Eve is complicated, and requires a large degree of knowledge and fine tuning. You can kill people with vastly inferior skills and ships, you just need to know how. The old rocket Merlin was the perfect example. Fit it with rockets, two webs, a medium shield extender and a afterburner and you could kite any normally close ranged ship so far out of their optimals that they couldn't hit you at all. People used Rifters and Tristans as the standard, but even with max skills and best kit on them, they would die to a T1 fit Merlin flown by a 1 day old character. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Tribal Band 721	Posted - 2013.06.28 23:12:00 - [24] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: Here's an idea: check player histories before agreeing to duel. If someone is more than twice your age (assuming you are less than 6 months old), they will likely have a significant advantage over you, especially if they are trained in a specialized manner. PvP in Eve is just as much about preparation and picking your battles as it is about the pew itself. yeah you've pretty much proved my point about pvp in this game. It only really matters about how old your character is. If your character is old is most likely able to use tech 2 weapons and then its game over only to a point skills cap at 5 once you have a few trained to 5 as well you will have just reduced part of the advantage a more veteran player has a more veteran player if tightly focused on skill training, may have more options than you, and then again they may not they may have trained for 1 specific ship, with 1 specific fitting. and then stopped training that particular character in answer to the OP no pvp in eve is not fair, it is not particularly well balanced either if it was changed to be fair, or balanced. it would no longer be eve and then what would be the point playing anymore
Funky Lazers Shin-Ra Ltd 285	Posted - 2013.06.28 23:16:00 - [25] - Quote Peter Raptor wrote: moral of the story, Eve is about team work LOL. The moral of the story, get a bigger fleet so the other side gets no chances. In eve there is no fair pvp or people with skills, there is only one zerg ganking another fleet with less people in it. Whatever.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 333	Posted - 2013.06.28 23:28:00 - [26] - Quote Quote: No I spend the night going round faction warfare systems trying to find a frigate to fight against and got instant killed in all cases. Then got gate camped and pod killed. You see why I'm not having fun. There's your problem. This sentence sounds to me like you expected a fair fight, and got an unfair one. The problem is that your expectations are wrong. You need to change them. As long as you keep having expectations of getting something that you cannot feasibly get, you will be frustrated forever. That, or as someone else mentioned, join RvB. Plenty of good fights there. The next thing is, you need better education on what to do, how to do it, and what ship and mods to do it with. You can't just jump into an established PvP community and expect to kick all the buttocks with whatever you happened to have attached to your ship at the time. That would be utterly unacceptable to the people who have worked so hard and so long on their character skills, their fits, and their individual piloting abilities, if you could just roll in as a noob and take them out without effort. So, to compete, you need to make a similar effort to theirs. That's how the game is balanced, after all. It rewards effort, and everyone has the same opportunity as everyone else. It's what you do with it that matters. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 320	Posted - 2013.06.28 23:37:00 - [27] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants. Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink. Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you. THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS Well general D we tried to help him in new citizens Q&A but he's a failure of gaming...he's all yours.
Vrenth Black-Talon 12	Posted - 2013.06.28 23:43:00 - [28] - Quote The cool thing about multiplayer games, they are meant to be played with multiple people. Bring 5 new friends and I bet that 5 year old pilot doesn't do as well.
Onyx Nyx Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse 423	Posted - 2013.06.28 23:53:00 - [29] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants. Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink. Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you. THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSb7mlz7Hag I kill kittens, and puppies and bunnies. I maim toddlers and teens and then more.
Steve WingYip Lumodynamics Power Control Corp Panda Cave 1105	Posted - 2013.06.28 23:55:00 - [30] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants. Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink. Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you. THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS Don't solo then. It's an MMO, multiplayer, use other players and play together.

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