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Mascha Tzash
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.01 14:47:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:
...(researchers there are jailed if they don't follow the political line about WWII)...
Pretty sure you have some sort of likable evidence or reference. I would like to see it.
OT: 8 years would be a bit harsh. On the other hand: Acting and not knowing should never protect you from punishment. ("I din't know that beating others was not allowed.") |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1236
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Posted - 2013.07.01 14:49:00 -
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If you believe a mother in Canada "found" where this guy lived from a forum post, you're part of the vast majority that, I'm sure, believes encumbering yourselves with laws that make illegal what you might do to protect yourself from yourself is a good idea.
The reality of this case is that it's easier for government to prosecute a boy for what he might do because than enforcing laws against the real criminals of this world. And the sheople cheer government on to do it too. HTFU!...for the children! |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1083
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Posted - 2013.07.01 14:49:00 -
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Cam Mikaels wrote:The kid was stupid. That's just not something you say in public, sarcasm or no. While I agree jail-time might be a bit much, he definitely should receive some kind of punishment.
Read the article. He has been in jail since April, because the prosecutor has set such a high bail.
Kind of think that is just a tad more punishment that some comment in a video game deserves. Oh, and he did not say it in public. He said it in a PM channel.
Or do you feel that anything you say via the internet is in the public forum? Like your private email? Or a text message to a friend?
Don't worry if you do, because all the major powers in the world believe that. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
511
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Posted - 2013.07.01 14:49:00 -
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As Sean Connery said in "The Rock";
"Your FAWKIN INSHAAANE General Shir"
oh wait that wasn't the quote I meant
""Patriotishim ish the virtue of the vishush." Oshcar Wilde shaid that....owwwww! Thank you for making my point."
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
780
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Posted - 2013.07.01 14:51:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Simetraz wrote: That is right you don't know who is listening so you watch what you say. Just like you do at work or in front of a cop or sometimes in public. I may be sitting at home right now in private, but this discussion is VERY public.
You are correct, and that is both a blessing and a curse. All I can do is speak out in hopes of lightening the curse aspect. I feel the way I do, because I have been where that guy is right now, just without the jail aspect. Some people don't know how to take sadistic humor, and that has caused me more than one problem. Do some people dislike me for the things I say? I'm sure they do. Does that really affect me? Not at all. However, as soon as I have police kicking in my door over a joke that put no one in direct harm's way (unlike where the smartass pointed out the "fire" in an airport example earlier, as that causes panic, and panicked people are much like panicked cattle), then something has gone very wrong in someone mind, and it isn't my own.
You need more friends or stay close to them. They watch over you when you drink to much. They are there when you need a hand. They will prevent you from chatting up the wrong person. They will laugh at your sadistic humor but remember friends have a sense of humor as well and paybacks tend to be a lot harsher among friends.
Parents teach there kids to be careful of strangers, well that doesn't change when you are an adult.
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Lexmana
1020
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Posted - 2013.07.01 14:55:00 -
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People should lighten up a little. This is just an absurd overreaction of law officials that are afraid of being blamed for the next terroris attack. They live by the fear. Fear is a powerful political strategy. In particular in a country were the real threat doesn't come from terrorist but the toddlers : http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/toddlers-killed-more-americans-terrorists-did-year |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
296
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Posted - 2013.07.01 14:57:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:You need more friends or stay close to them. They watch over you when you drink to much. They are there when you need a hand. They will prevent you from chatting up the wrong person. They will laugh at your sadistic humor but remember friends have a sense of humor as well and paybacks tend to be a lot harsher among friends. Parents teach there kids to be careful of strangers, well that doesn't change when you are an adult. Meh, I don't drink...maybe that's my problem... |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1237
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:02:00 -
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I just did a google search for "Justin Carter". The results are strangely absent of coverage. So, either this 2 month old story is just getting coverage, it may not be true or our "free" (haha) media has incentive not to cover it. We no longer live in a world where mentioning "conspiracy" automatically means you're crazy paranoid.....NSA are you listening? HTFU!...for the children! |
Bud Swellington
CreoDron Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:03:00 -
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This isn't that surprising, locking up innocent people is as American as apple pie and baseball. Think of the most oppressive countries in the world. We lock up way more of our citizens than they do, but sure land of the free and all that jazz. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate
We also keep really good company when it comes to the death peanlty. Top 5 countries that have killed their citizens are, China, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and the good ol' USA. http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/mar/29/death-penalty-countries-world. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
512
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:04:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:"conspiracy" automatically means you're crazy paranoid
This
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2247
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:07:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Oh, and he did not say it in public. He said it in a PM channel.
Or do you feel that anything you say via the internet is in the public forum?
Potentially, yes it could be.
Presumably, none of us were in that channel, yet somehow we all know what was said. Yep, public.
You might want it to be private, but assuming it is would be tremendously naive.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
336
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:07:00 -
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Mascha Tzash wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:
...(researchers there are jailed if they don't follow the political line about WWII)...
Pretty sure you have some sort of likable evidence or reference. I would like to see it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial
Scroll down and check for yourself. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
780
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:09:00 -
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I beg to differ the REAL threat.
Deer-vehicle collisions in the U.S. cause about 200 fatalities annually EVERYBODY KNOWS |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
297
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:10:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Oh, and he did not say it in public. He said it in a PM channel.
Or do you feel that anything you say via the internet is in the public forum?
Potentially, yes it could be. Presumably, none of us were in that channel, yet somehow we all know what was said. Yep, public. You might want it to be private, but assuming it is would be tremendously naive. At the time, no it wouldn't. For example, any text messages that you send would be assumed private. That doesn't mean that logs of them won't get leaked into the public forum one day. Hell, even government cables which were supposed to be all kinds of confidential and private are now all over the place. So, if you acknowledge that just because something may one day be public means that it should always be considered public, then you are basically saying that all privacy laws should be done away with, because they serve no real purpose. |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
780
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:15:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:War Kitten wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Oh, and he did not say it in public. He said it in a PM channel.
Or do you feel that anything you say via the internet is in the public forum?
Potentially, yes it could be. Presumably, none of us were in that channel, yet somehow we all know what was said. Yep, public. You might want it to be private, but assuming it is would be tremendously naive. At the time, no it wouldn't. For example, any text messages that you send would be assumed private. That doesn't mean that logs of them won't get leaked into the public forum one day. Hell, even government cables which were supposed to be all kinds of confidential and private are now all over the place. So, if you acknowledge that just because something may one day be public means that it should always be considered public, then you are basically saying that all privacy laws should be done away with, because they serve no real purpose.
No a PM message could have 20 people in it. And to be honest people join games and think the people they play with are their friends. In most cases they are NOT, they are close acquaintances at most. Some may be actual friends but most likely those are the people you met in RL. EVERYBODY KNOWS |
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
463
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:15:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: You might want it to be private, but assuming it is would be tremendously naive.
At the time, no it wouldn't. For example, any text messages that you send would be assumed private. That doesn't mean that logs of them won't get leaked into the public forum one day. Hell, even government cables which were supposed to be all kinds of confidential and private are now all over the place. So, if you acknowledge that just because something may one day be public means that it should always be considered public, then you are basically saying that all privacy laws should be done away with, because they serve no real purpose.[/quote]
And that would mean further: A trial against Bradley Manning is obsolete. _______________________________________ Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2247
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:17:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:War Kitten wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Oh, and he did not say it in public. He said it in a PM channel.
Or do you feel that anything you say via the internet is in the public forum?
Potentially, yes it could be. Presumably, none of us were in that channel, yet somehow we all know what was said. Yep, public. You might want it to be private, but assuming it is would be tremendously naive. At the time, no it wouldn't. For example, any text messages that you send would be assumed private. That doesn't mean that logs of them won't get leaked into the public forum one day. Hell, even government cables which were supposed to be all kinds of confidential and private are now all over the place. So, if you acknowledge that just because something may one day be public means that it should always be considered public, then you are basically saying that all privacy laws should be done away with, because they serve no real purpose.
Yes, abolish privacy laws. I'm sure that's what I was saying.
LOL,
J/K!
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Abon
STAHLSTURM Test Alliance Please Ignore
160
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:18:00 -
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Soo i am a pretty sarcastic guy from time to time and i am a terrorist now? oh wow.
Can i get an official statement on this?? HELLO NSA OFFICER? You have my email so please respond kk? |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
298
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:18:00 -
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Rordan D'Kherr wrote: And that would mean further: A trial against Bradley Manning is obsolete.
To be quite honest, I feel that Manning should not be prosecuted for several reasons (not the least of which being that the government demands it's right to privacy while shitting all over the right to privacy of civilians). That being said, it would require it's own damned thread, and this probably isn't the place for it. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
336
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:20:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:War Kitten wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Oh, and he did not say it in public. He said it in a PM channel.
Or do you feel that anything you say via the internet is in the public forum?
Potentially, yes it could be. Presumably, none of us were in that channel, yet somehow we all know what was said. Yep, public. You might want it to be private, but assuming it is would be tremendously naive. At the time, no it wouldn't. For example, any text messages that you send would be assumed private. That doesn't mean that logs of them won't get leaked into the public forum one day. Hell, even government cables which were supposed to be all kinds of confidential and private are now all over the place. So, if you acknowledge that just because something may one day be public means that it should always be considered public, then you are basically saying that all privacy laws should be done away with, because they serve no real purpose.
Government cables are tapped, even if thousands of feet below an ocean.
Never assume anything is private (I always post publicly as I assume anything online is public and can be leaked or reposted. So no surprises). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2247
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:21:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Rordan D'Kherr wrote: And that would mean further: A trial against Bradley Manning is obsolete.
To be quite honest, I feel that Manning should not be prosecuted for several reasons (not the least of which being that the government demands it's right to privacy while shitting all over the right to privacy of civilians). That being said, it would require it's own damned thread, and this probably isn't the place for it.
Yeah, Bradley Manning is way off topic. He joined the military and accepted their laws and regulations, then decided to break them. That wasn't ignorance or mistaking sadistic threats for humor.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Alundil
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
214
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:21:00 -
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Setaceous wrote:Consequences for actions are important. However, having said that, the consequence should really match the action. ^ This is the truth. He made an exceedingly stupid comment. Sadly, it's been taken out of context (as is often the case when exceedingly dumb things are said/done). Hopefully the jury is able to understand the context and realize that there was no motivation.
Having said that, dumb kid makes dumb comment, News at 11.
To Op, it would probably be more useful to post actual articles about the happening, instead of a video of "some guy" who's still angry about missing the last Judas Priest concert raging about the media getting people riled up about "stuff." News flash, the media got him riled up about stuff. "Mission Accomplished" says anonymous news anchor.
As for the Texas comment, meh, it's not a bad place to live. I've lived in worse places and better places. For those too young to have children, realize that these types of things are some of the pitfalls of having unaware and uneducated children. To those with children..... "don't be that guy" having to explain to the world why your kid appears to be some maniac (because context).... |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
298
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:22:00 -
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War Kitten wrote: Yes, abolish privacy laws. I'm sure that's what I was saying.
LOL,
J/K!
Then what exactly are you saying? Because so far, it looks like a whole lot of nothing, with some vague intent wrapped around it. What I am seeing from you is to always assume that anything you say can at some point become public and be used against you. If that's the case, then privacy laws that apply to communications are all but obsolete. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
512
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:27:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:
Yeah, Bradley Manning is way off topic. He joined the military and accepted their laws and regulations, then decided to break them. That wasn't ignorance or mistaking sadistic threats for humor.
When you snitch on the Mafia and they kill you, they shouldnt be prosecuted because you agreed to be killed for snitching when you joined
I concurr
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Mascha Tzash
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
75
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:27:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Mascha Tzash wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:
...(researchers there are jailed if they don't follow the political line about WWII)...
Pretty sure you have some sort of likable evidence or reference. I would like to see it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denialScroll down and check for yourself.
May I suggest you reread it yourself. It might happen that you end up in jail for approving of, denying or belittleing the genocide.
If you find evidence, that it wasn't this way, you are welcome to publish it.
He, who can read is in a clearly advanced position. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2247
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:27:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:War Kitten wrote: Yes, abolish privacy laws. I'm sure that's what I was saying.
LOL,
J/K!
Then what exactly are you saying? Because so far, it looks like a whole lot of nothing, with some vague intent wrapped around it. What I am seeing from you is to always assume that anything you say can at some point become public and be used against you. If that's the case, then privacy laws that apply to communications are all but obsolete.
You're pretty close. I *am* saying anything you say on the internet can become public and used against you.
Privacy laws are your defense after the fact. They're a bit like Concord after a gank in Eve in that sense.
By law, something may be private communication. Assuming it will actually remain private is naive.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
74
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:29:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Mascha Tzash wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:
...(researchers there are jailed if they don't follow the political line about WWII)...
Pretty sure you have some sort of likable evidence or reference. I would like to see it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denialScroll down and check for yourself. I wonder why you are so hot about laws against holocaust denial. If it really was about history books, you would have had no problems sending those to Germany. Sending some moronic up neo-**** stuff, that would cause problems.
I'd liken those laws to the laws and lawsuits against the scientific fraud, which have endangered people (anti-vaccination nutcases, Anil Potti case (settled out of court) and so forth). |
Verunae Caseti
Viziam Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:30:00 -
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Don't support surveillance of online communications, and certainly can't support the harshness of this sentence, but the rules are really quite simple, kids. I'll be telling my son this years before he goes online. Don't joke about:
a) Shooting up schools (police knock on your door).
b) Shooting up presidents (FBI knock on your door).
c) Shooting up yourself (firemen knock down your door). |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2247
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:31:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:War Kitten wrote:
Yeah, Bradley Manning is way off topic. He joined the military and accepted their laws and regulations, then decided to break them. That wasn't ignorance or mistaking sadistic threats for humor.
When you snitch on the Mafia and they kill you, they shouldnt be prosecuted because you agreed to be killed for snitching when you joined I concurr
If the law recognized the mafia's rights to set rules and regulations, that analogy might hold water.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
512
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Posted - 2013.07.01 15:34:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:War Kitten wrote:
Yeah, Bradley Manning is way off topic. He joined the military and accepted their laws and regulations, then decided to break them. That wasn't ignorance or mistaking sadistic threats for humor.
When you snitch on the Mafia and they kill you, they shouldnt be prosecuted because you agreed to be killed for snitching when you joined I concurr If the law recognized the mafia's rights to set rules and regulations, that analogy might hold water.
Recognised*
And though officially they don't, its easily arranged
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