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Zah Damaja
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.07.02 04:43:00 -
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Dear Fellow Eve Players,
It is high time we end highsec ganking. PVP shoud be changed so players have the option if they want to PVP in High sec or not.
Pros: + Easier for new players to get acclimated + Industry can move freely + Less grief for those who don't want to PVP
I propose we have a flag you can turn on and off at will, this way you can PVP when you want.
Please discuss.
Zah Damaja Chief of Highsec Mining Operations Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore Southeast Division
GÇ£The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.GÇ¥ -Sun Tzu, The Art of War |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
503
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Posted - 2013.07.02 04:49:00 -
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I support this pretty good idea.
A safer EVE for us all!
I also would like to propose renaming Old Man Star to "The Barrens". Lock up your staions and hide your daughters.
Nulli incoming |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
2706
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Posted - 2013.07.02 04:49:00 -
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You should get a few bites.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Braxus Deninard
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
153
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Posted - 2013.07.02 04:50:00 -
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I didn't know it was possible, but you somehow made Dreddit and TEST look even worse. |
baltec1
Bat Country
7122
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Posted - 2013.07.02 04:58:00 -
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Braxus Deninard wrote:I didn't know it was possible, but you somehow made Dreddit and TEST look even worse.
Guess they are trying to get ready for life in high sec under a forever wardec. |
Zah Damaja
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.07.02 04:58:00 -
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Braxus Deninard wrote:I didn't know it was possible, but you somehow made Dreddit and TEST look even worse.
Ummm I took time out to try to think of a way to improve the game for everyone and you decide to attack me personally instead of discussing the idea. Real mature. |
Aprudena Gist
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
43
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:01:00 -
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just because your war time freighters are getting sniped doesnt mean we should get rid of freighter ganking |
Zah Damaja
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:05:00 -
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Aprudena Gist wrote:just because your war time freighters are getting sniped doesnt mean we should get rid of freighter ganking
I don't have anything to do with TEST wartime losses. I am strictly head of our Highsec mining fleet. Please go troll somewhere else serious discussion only. |
Jamagh
Grand Violations
41
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:06:00 -
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While I would like for highsec to be safe, I know that it will never happen. Making it so that you can toggle the PVP flag on or off will just lose them subscriptions. Some people only want to gank. That is how they get their jollies. Do I approve of that? No... not really. But I am not going to try to ruin their enjoyment because I "might" get ganked. I know it s only a matter of time before it happens. It happens. I know that. I accept that I will eventually lose a ship. The best thing to do is move on when it happens. Don't rage at them. "Please stop reopening silly rumor threads."-á CCP Navigator. |
Verunae Caseti
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:06:00 -
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Zah Damaja wrote: It is high time we end highsec ganking.
Nope.
Quote:PVP shoud be changed so players have the option if they want to PVP in High sec or not.
Nope.
Quote:Pros:+ Easier for new players to get acclimated
Not true. Getting ganked is one of the best and fastest ways to get aclimated to EVE. Putting it off is no going to help anyone.
Quote:+ Less grief for those who don't want to PVP
That's not a pro.
Quote:I propose we have a flag you can turn on and off at will, this way you can PVP when you want.
I propose you eat a sack of gravel. |
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Cannibal Kane
Temple of Kane
1966
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:10:00 -
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Zah Damaja wrote:Dear Fellow Eve Players,
It is high time we end highsec ganking. PVP shoud be changed so players have the option if they want to PVP in High sec or not.
Pros: + Easier for new players to get acclimated + Industry can move freely + Less grief for those who don't want to PVP
I propose we have a flag you can turn on and off at will, this way you can PVP when you want.
Please discuss.
Zah Damaja Chief of Highsec Mining Operations Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore Southeast Division
GÇ£The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.GÇ¥ -Sun Tzu, The Art of War
If only I could ban your entire alliance from the forums as easily as I banned them from the from the locates channel for scamming people out of 5mil. Did not know TEST was this desperate for isk. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Zah Damaja
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:13:00 -
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I do not understand the level of toxicity I am seeing here. These are merely ideas I have proposed for discussion.
CCP please remove these forum PVPers from my thread. They are derailing it and personally attacking me and I will not stand for it. |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:15:00 -
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Thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2072
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:16:00 -
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Troll post is troll. Next time try on on a toon not in TEST...
0/10
PS:
ISD Tyrozan wrote:Thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion. LOL, swing and a miss buddy... |
Alara IonStorm
5190
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:17:00 -
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She is ready to be loaded up with your life savings and put on autopilot. |
Zah Damaja
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:21:00 -
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Thank you for moving my thread to the correct area. Hopefully these forum PVPers will get a clue that this thread is for serious discussion only. |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
186
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:41:00 -
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Zah Damaja wrote:It is high time we end highsec ganking. PVP shoud be changed so players have the option if they want to PVP in High sec or not.
Pros: + Easier for new players to get acclimated + Industry can move freely + Less grief for those who don't want to PVP
I propose we have a flag you can turn on and off at will, this way you can PVP when you want.
There is already such flag/switch implemented that you can turn on/off: undock button. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
Elvis Fett
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
201
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:44:00 -
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Nice to see this thread has been moved to the correct place, the forum graveyard. This poor horse has been dead for years yet you still beat it. RIP |
Chimpface Holocaust
Zarnfell
1
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:53:00 -
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Expecting a serious discussion in the EVE forums about removing PVP anywhere is like expecting a pack of wild dingoes to not eat the baby you just threw at them |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
740
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Posted - 2013.07.02 05:56:00 -
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ISD Tyrozan wrote:Thread has been moved to die in Features & Ideas Discussion. fixed that for you.
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
342
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Posted - 2013.07.02 06:06:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Braxus Deninard wrote:I didn't know it was possible, but you somehow made Dreddit and TEST look even worse. Guess they are trying to get ready for life in high sec under a forever wardec.
No, that just means the null war is taken to high-sec, as the Goons are the epitome of PvE.
Then put a fork in it, because when high-sec becomes null, EvE is over (bye bye to new players; nullbears and their IsBox mining fleets die and doesn't justify the cost to keep them active; and industry grinds to a halt).
Stay in null and leave your PvP paddy cake games down there. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
559
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Posted - 2013.07.02 06:31:00 -
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Corps would very much like to remain able to harm the economic progress of other entities, even if their members hide in NPC corps nobody should be invulnerable. Easing in newbs is done in player corps by throwing people for the wolves and casting the bones, not by a safe world or handholding throughout the entire game. A safer hisec has nothing to offer to anyone, except easier access to common resources and an even more inflated market. |
Tydeth Gilitae
Magewright Artificers
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Posted - 2013.07.02 06:56:00 -
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Hello. I primarily operate in high-security, especially for mining and production, but I 'm going to have to disagree with this suggestion to remove PVP from there. As an industrialist player, I could certainly benefit personally in the short term from never needing to worry about PVP in High, but I do not see how it would be at all good for the longevity of this game as a whole.
Events such as Hulkageddon and Burn Jita 1 & 2 could and most likely have drawn in bursts of new subscriptions by acting as irrefutable proof of the cut-throat player-defined game-play unique to EVE. These help reinforce the point that this kind of game-play can happen anywhere, not just LowSec (Battle of Asakai) or Null (S2NC's disbanding, the big Goon/Test war, etcetera). On a smaller scale but longer duration, we currently have that Goon freighter thing and the New Order coalition running amok with its Knights. These activities rely on the presence of non-consensual PVP, even with CONCORD breathing down their necks as soon as they go weapons hot. While they do cause massive amounts of destruction via ganking, this damage serves two very important purposes:
1. It teaches the new and the complacent that you can die anywhere, and that insufficiently tanked ships will die very quickly. Also, anything will explode once shot at enough times.
By the newer players being vulnerable, they can learn about the dangers of space and the necessity of defensive measures on their ship before they start flying anything big and expensive. The sooner they learn, while their ships and clones are cheap or even free, the better. For the older ones, the loss counts as a reminder of these things.
2. It creates demand. Every ship destroyed needs to be replaced, and it is up to the industrialists to provide them. This applies not only to the industrial, transport, and mining ships, but also the ships used to gank them, because of the omnipotent space police who guarantee cost for the attacker.
Granted, we would still have some demand for these things because of new members and the combat in Low, Null, and J-space, but I recall reading somewhere on these boards where people pointed out High-sec is a significant amount of the player base. If that's true, they're also a significant amount of our market. Without them needing replacements, the builders end up with excess stockpile they cannot move, and prices drop like stones. If miners can never be destroyed, the ore and minerals would flood the market, resulting in collapse. Without the ability to make a profit, because of a glut in supply and sharp decrease in demand, High-sec industry will grind to nearly a halt, if not completely. Some suppliers may try getting into Low/Null/WH corps to market their skills and sell products, but plenty others will simply quit.
CCP updated their tutorials I-don't-know-how-long-ago to incorporate ship loss, with not one but two suicide run missions in the advanced military career tutorial. If you have no ship when you dock in a station, they give you a rookie ship so you can get back on your feet. With these two simple features, the developers make it clear that ships going boom is expected, even in High.
High-sec's safety is quite sufficient where it is, and making it perfectly safe will have unforeseen consequences, regardless of whether CCP does anything else to High to account for the invulnerability. If you can never die in High-sec, many of the people will go there. Few if any targets = the PVPers will get bored and leave, and no action or customers = the builders and miners will get bored and leave. Perfectly safe High-sec = death of New Eden, and I can see that as a 2-month-player. |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
277
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Posted - 2013.07.02 06:59:00 -
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Zah Damaja wrote:
I propose we have a flag you can turn on and off at will, this way you can PVP when you want.
There is an implicit flag already in the game -- it is linked to the Undock button. Click on that and the volunatary PvP flag is raised.
Working, as they say, As Intended. GÇ£No man ought to commit his life into the hands of that Physician, who is ignorant of Astrologic: because he is a Physician of no value.GÇ¥ - Nicholas Culpeper |
DSpite Culhach
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
121
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Posted - 2013.07.02 07:17:00 -
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TL;DR
Do I personally want more severe penalties for gankers?
No, because I don't think the current mechanics are mature enough to start applying weird penalties to. Pretty sure if the game had very solid mechanics to do with Pirates VS Carebears - (im making a pun on WoW Horde VS Alliance) where a "pirate" was a very definite class of player mechanic, and NOT just a Jekyll-and-Hyde normal players become for a laugh - then more strict and mechanics WOULD make sense.
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These days, I tend to keep a lot of comments to myself as I already know that by pointing out massive issues in the EVE mechanics, people with blinkers will start shouting about it not being "in the spirit of EVE" or something.
Here goes anyway:
If anyone - and I mean _anyone_ takes an illegal commodity (drugs, slaves, etc), in a ship, into high sec, Concord will fine them instantly at stations, and take away standing and isk AND the goods.
So, all good so far?
You gank a ship in hisec, kill the pilot in the pod, and you just get a standing loss, which for the record means absolutely nothing to the guy doing it, cause it's probably an alt that got dragged out of station just for the purpose of that _particular_ gank, then parked again until that person gets bored again, and the alt is on a perma neg-ten standing anyway.
Why no massive fine? Why not disallow that person from docking at ANY hisec stations for an entire day, week even, hell, make it a month, as we don't like killers drinking with us at our local bar.
Why not?
Cause all the "gankers" will cry foul, ad that "EVE is a cruel universe". All bull; they just want the ability to go out ganking if they feel like without being hassled too much by the mechanics. I don't totally disagree with them, actually, as by the same token, the next time I go rescue "The Damsel" I should be expecting 10 times the NPC ships, cause you know, they got fed up with me taking that cheap hussy away for the 320th time. This month.
EVE is patches on top of patches on top of patches. Good in many ways, but it creates these weird gaps that suddenly become "gameplay", like ganking and can flipping etc etc.
It's my right to say stuff in forums when I don't like something, but I should have ZERO expectation of having it implemented.
Yes, I'd like Hisec/Lowsec/Nullsec to be different in many ways. Bugger if I know what to do that will not create even MORE problems though.
I suddenly woke up thinking I had a nightmare, then remembered I can't even fly Amarr Battleships. I add bits to this when I'm bored https://www.dropbox.com/s/foijsawsqolarom/EVE_Online.html |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
1020
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Posted - 2013.07.02 07:39:00 -
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0.5/10
And players do have an option not to PVP in Highsec!
This option impressively looks familiar to the undock button!
Now, Biomass yourself on the way out as this, or anything similar to it will NEVER happen! I'm not entirely clear on the point of this, but I do have a sudden urge to jump in a catalyst and blow up a miner. Twitter! - @AzamiNevinyrall I'm half expecting a ban for this post. |
StoneCold
Somali Coast Guard BootCamp
264
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Posted - 2013.07.02 08:12:00 -
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If we can get a sponsor for the fee my booties will gladly show test what we think about the idea. My true stories |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
342
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Posted - 2013.07.02 08:15:00 -
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Tydeth Gilitae wrote:Events such as Hulkageddon and Burn Jita 1 & 2 could and most likely have drawn in bursts of new subscriptions by acting as irrefutable proof of the cut-throat player-defined game-play unique to EVE.
No it brought us newer mining ships that are better REINFORCED and with LARGER ore bays to mine even more.
Cause and Effect.
Be a cause of losing players, the effect is to buff what was being destroyed! "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
188
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Posted - 2013.07.02 08:32:00 -
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DSpite Culhach wrote:`snip`
Please show on this doll or better KM where those gankers touched you. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
Mark Androcius
155
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Posted - 2013.07.02 09:04:00 -
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I support this idea...... if at the same time, we reduce the number of high-sec systems to 10.... maybe 20m good luck mining with all that TiDi bitchahs If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? |
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