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Wade Tian
Section 41 Zombie Ninja Space Bears
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Posted - 2013.07.02 09:38:00 -
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is this possible? was looking at becoming a sniper, moving to the thrasher as soon as i have the skills not only to fly it buy fly it well, and was wondering if I could snipe in a frigate as it is the only play style I am interested in tbh, i was look at something fast like a slasher but would love too hear input.
thanks for any help |
Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
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Posted - 2013.07.02 09:48:00 -
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There aren't really snipers in Eve. In the past certain ship doctrines have relied on sniper type ships to be the bulk of the fleet in pvp, but these days most of the traditional sniper ships don't have the dps to be popular. These days Alpha ships are the long range designs, and dps ships the short range.
In PVE snipering can be considered a useful ability as the tactic is known as kiting, where you lead the NPCs by staying way out in front and kill them from outside their range. I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart. |
Wade Tian
Section 41 Zombie Ninja Space Bears
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:19:00 -
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dam, dam good..... o well all was but a dream, thanks for the info |
Anna Djan
Banana Corp
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:35:00 -
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Wade Tian wrote:dam, dam good..... o well all was but a dream, thanks for the info
A sniper is technically a high alpha as stated previously.
So what you want is there... but good ole balance dicates close range high dps, long range high alpha....
more or less.
Arty Thrasher's are popular for their long range alpha (2 volley's to kill frigs), but the downside is tracking (which isn't a problem at range) and zero tank. |
Wade Tian
Section 41 Zombie Ninja Space Bears
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Posted - 2013.07.02 10:44:00 -
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yea i am fine with zero tank could you make a alpha frigate though? |
Anna Djan
Banana Corp
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:04:00 -
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Wade Tian wrote:yea i am fine with zero tank could you make a alpha frigate though?
Guessing you're a mini pilot. The problem with arty's is that they are powergrid hungry, so fitting one may be tough. I'll check out PYFA when I get home and let you know.
Or you could download PYFA yourself :) It allows you to link your character to the program via API and then fit ships to test builds using the program instead of in game.
No matter what though A frig sniper is well... a frig sniper and no mini frig's have bonsues to optimal / fallout ranges. It won't do well punching above weight. Destroyer's are pretty easy to get into, but for the thrasher will low skills you won't be able to fit a full rack of the largest arty's early on. |
Ovv Topik
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.02 11:28:00 -
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Sounds like you may be talking about what we call 'Kiting' rather than 'Sniping'.
The longest range weapon system for Frigs is the small missile launcher with a useful engagement range of around 20km.
And the king of the kiters is the MWD Condor. It has no tank other than it's insane speed.
But thats really in a solo context, is that what you meant?
Also be warned, it is a very unpopular fit to come up against and a lot of PvPers simply wont engage you. "Jita 4 4 spaceport. You will not find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious!" |
Durbon Groth
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:10:00 -
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Sniping in a frigate is sort of viable. The basic gist is that though you can have long range frigates, you're limited by a couple of factors. First of all is the short range of frigate size guns compared with medium or large guns. Though you can design a frigate to hit around 30-40km with some effort, you have to remember that this will outrange most other frigates but larger oponenets may not have difficulty in hitting these ranges. To help with this it's usual to see long range frigates use a midslot for ewar like a remote sensor damp or tracking disruptor to prevent incoming damaage. Secondly, you're limited by your warp disruptor range - unless flying with a dedicated tackled, your maximum engagement range is going to be around 24km. Thirdly, any sniper who sits still will be closed in on quickly, this is doubly true in frigates. Most long range frigates are built for speed. Add to that the large pg need of high calibre weapons and your protective ewar, means you've got very little room for tank. However, if you can overcome these difficulties, you do get the fun of circling a doomed oponent, chipping away at him and landing a great kill... This comes from the guy who lost an AB fitted retribution brawler to a T1 sniper frigate. Good luck! |
Drax Concrilla
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:44:00 -
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At the frig level what you want isn't a true sniper, as noted above - since you'll need to be in point range to ensure you kill anything which is 20-24km (depending on t1 or t2). What you're looking for is referred to in EVE as a Kiter, where you fit long range guns and stay out of web/scram range (~13km - the range a standard web reaches when overheated) while pelting the foe to death.
In all honesty I think you should just jump straight into the classic Sebo Arty Thrasher, as that seems to be what you want. Of the t1 frigs the Republic Fleet Firetail handles Artys the best, in my opinion, but it's a faction frig and will cost you 10mil a pop just for the hull and after fitting will come off as just a bit more expensive than a typical Thrasher.
Edit: Though if you want to be a true sniper in the frig/dessy range look into a Rail Cormorant and have friends. You can hit about 100km out with that ship but for crappy DPS - good for podding people though - or 50km ish with decent DPS; however, you need someone else to point for you. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:50:00 -
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Frigates have a limited amount of guns, and thus a limited amount of damage. They are also usually missing range bonuses to assist with the "range" part of "sniping". In general, destroyers are far better suited for sniping than frigates are.
The frigate that can get closest to sniping (high alpha, long range) is a light missile Kestrel. With good skills, it can hit 900-1000 damage alpha (3-4 shots to kill another frigate) at 40+ km range. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec FW operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:50:00 -
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If you really want to, you can get a 100+ km Drone control range in a Tristan.
But as others have said, realistically you will want to stay within 24km, the range of a warp disrupter. Otherwise, they can always warp away, meaning that the you will never kill anyone, just drive them off. |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2013.07.02 22:29:00 -
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You can get a kestrel to shoot light missiles to around 80km, that's about as "snipery" as you can get with t1 frigates.
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2013.07.03 17:57:00 -
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As posted previously if you want to "snipe" you are going to either go kestrel or move up ship class (T2 frig or destroyer). Sniping works best in gangs or picking people off who are otherwise engaged. Small hull Snipers - Harpy, Talwar, Cormorant. |
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