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Skrypt
Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.08 19:59:00 -
[961]
Has there been any talk about Deimos changes in Kali? ___________ Auction: Corpum Gear
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente Raddick Explorations Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.08 20:14:00 -
[962]
Originally by: Kunming
Originally by: Ithildin
Originally by: Hellspawn01 I have a question for those that used to fly a deimos:
How many SP do you have in the support gunnery skills and in hybrids?
9 million gunnery and it gives me beam, railgun and blaster specializations, what's it to ya?
To recap, the Deimos is one, or a combination, of... : * Too difficult to fit beyond lowest tier turrets * Too slow * Not agile enough
+ Crap Bonus which is not really a bonus (MWD penalty bonus sux arse)
QFT. Dammit, I just wish the damn ship could be used as it should be.
There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente Raddick Explorations Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.08 20:14:00 -
[963]
Originally by: Skrypt Has there been any talk about Deimos changes in Kali?
None that I have heard of yet.
Here is to hopelessly waiting...........
There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy
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Fenderson
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.10.08 20:35:00 -
[964]
Originally by: Ithildin ...the Deimos is one, or a combination, of... : * Too difficult to fit beyond lowest tier turrets * Too slow * Not agile enough
Quote: Here is to hopelessly waiting...........
Got my deimos about a month ago. I fly it alot. I generally like it, but compared to other HACs i must say i agree.
My cheif complaint is the agility and speed. Why would an MWD boat be so slow and piggish? Sure it does fantastic damage, but every time i approach a target with MWD on, i end up overshooting by 7km and not really hitting well until the ship slows down, turns around, and gets back in orbit range and optimal for void ammo... And why would it be so much slower than its t1 counterpart? Im sure this has all been said but i want some deimos love too pleeeeeeeeze!
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Lo3d3R
Implant Liberation Front Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.08 22:38:00 -
[965]
Edited by: Lo3d3R on 08/10/2006 22:38:59
Implant Liberation Front supports this thread, the deimos needs allot of love !!! its sad to see a ship with a mwd to be so lazy and heavy and blehhhhh, make it a light rabbit ! ___________________
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Cuckoo
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Posted - 2006.10.09 00:17:00 -
[966]
bump
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Balian Bowmaker
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Posted - 2006.10.09 02:40:00 -
[967]
Make the Deimos look like a HAC compared to the rax in the powergrid, agility, and speed dept please...
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Kulmid
Dummies
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Posted - 2006.10.09 02:45:00 -
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I have flown a Deimos for quite some time and am for the most part happy with it in comparison to other races as far as HACs go, that is after I sold it and bought a Ishtar
but I just want to point out that every race is in the same situation
Sacrelidge - just utter crap Munnin - can't figure out how to tank, and can.. uhh... inta-pop frigs? like we don't have enough ships that can do that Deimos - we all know the issues with the Deimos and they don't need to be mentioned
I know I have left out Caldari and that is because we all know they really have only 1 PvP oriented HAC, the other just lets you sleep through missions since it lacks the real ability to tank and tackle, which, as the Deimos has been made useless by the Astarte, the Cerberus has been made useless by the new Caldari Command Ship (the exact one I'm not sure)
so in conclusion I think the Deimos is balanced in comparison to other races as far has HACs go, we all have 1 HAC that is goos and one that is either **** poor, does a job that can be done better in another ship, or is non PvP
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Troll969
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Posted - 2006.10.09 09:30:00 -
[969]
Edited by: Troll969 on 09/10/2006 09:31:23 fix it please
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Damis Zohar
Pirates of Destruction Union
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Posted - 2006.10.09 09:31:00 -
[970]
Originally by: Kulmid I have flown a Deimos for quite some time and am for the most part happy with it in comparison to other races as far as HACs go, that is after I sold it and bought a Ishtar
but I just want to point out that every race is in the same situation
Sacrelidge - just utter crap Munnin - can't figure out how to tank, and can.. uhh... inta-pop frigs? like we don't have enough ships that can do that Deimos - we all know the issues with the Deimos and they don't need to be mentioned
I know I have left out Caldari and that is because we all know they really have only 1 PvP oriented HAC, the other just lets you sleep through missions since it lacks the real ability to tank and tackle, which, as the Deimos has been made useless by the Astarte, the Cerberus has been made useless by the new Caldari Command Ship (the exact one I'm not sure)
so in conclusion I think the Deimos is balanced in comparison to other races as far has HACs go, we all have 1 HAC that is goos and one that is either **** poor, does a job that can be done better in another ship, or is non PvP
Mind sharing your fitting with us all? Im curious as weather you have a new fitting or you have just settled.
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Iynara Maeral
Caldari JUDGE DREAD Inc. Forces of Freedom
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Posted - 2006.10.09 11:26:00 -
[971]
Signed, hard ______________
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Promon Delnai
Scorn. Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.09 20:40:00 -
[972]
WTB: more grid on my deimos
SIGNED ==================
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Retnik
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.10 05:07:00 -
[973]
/signed
It never made sense to me how a ship that needs to get so close can handle so poorly. And a ship that boasts so much damage potential can barely fit a full rack of Ions. Fix the deimos please.
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Izrahar
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Posted - 2006.10.10 06:15:00 -
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What an absolutely GORGEOUS ship... I came online to look for fittings and such for this thing, but instead I see this... I shed a tear.
However, you folks flying it -- cruise around the 1.0 systems, and you'll instantly be awesome and cool for flying such a great-looking ship. :)
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Lucus Ranger
Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.10 06:54:00 -
[975]
*Lucus Ranger hugs Deimos...
Please Tuxford make it the ship it was always meant to be
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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.10.10 08:49:00 -
[976]
deimos is just about the coolest ship in the game!... and all it wants is less mass and about 20mps more speed!
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Lucus Ranger
Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.10 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: XGS Crimson deimos is just about the coolest ship in the game!... and all it wants is less mass and about 20mps more speed!
Yes, but I think it could also do with a slight pg boost, so it can fit 5x Ion + Med Nos + Med Slots and a Tank...
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Ju Blimb
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:05:00 -
[978]
Gah, the Amarr thread is winning, it reached page 88. Bump for the Deimos !! |
XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:32:00 -
[979]
Edited by: XGS Crimson on 10/10/2006 09:34:14
Originally by: Lucus Ranger
Originally by: XGS Crimson deimos is just about the coolest ship in the game!... and all it wants is less mass and about 20mps more speed!
Yes, but I think it could also do with a slight pg boost, so it can fit 5x Ion + Med Nos + Med Slots and a Tank...
i dont agree the pg is fine to me this ship isnt designed to use all those things.
5x electon II 1x med nos 1x mwd 1x webber 1x scrammer 1x med repper II 2x damage mod 3x resistance possibly 2 reppers... with this setup and the skills you will dish out a shot every 2 seconds per gun doing about 80-100 damage per shot
+5 med drones... is a total of (dont forget gallente weapons get more criticals than any other) about 2000 damage in 10 seconds against decent resists
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Damis Zohar
Pirates of Destruction Union Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:38:00 -
[980]
The Deimos deserves at least Ion's
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:38:00 -
[981]
Originally by: XGS Crimson Edited by: XGS Crimson on 10/10/2006 09:34:14
Originally by: Lucus Ranger
Originally by: XGS Crimson deimos is just about the coolest ship in the game!... and all it wants is less mass and about 20mps more speed!
Yes, but I think it could also do with a slight pg boost, so it can fit 5x Ion + Med Nos + Med Slots and a Tank...
i dont agree the pg is fine to me this ship isnt designed to use all those things.
5x electon II 1x med nos 1x mwd 1x webber 1x scrammer 1x med repper II 2x damage mod 3x resistance possibly 2 reppers... with this setup and the skills you will dish out a shot every 2 seconds per gun doing about 80-100 damage per shot
+5 med drones... is a total of (dont forget gallente weapons get more criticals than any other) about 2000 damage in 10 seconds against decent resists
What the h3ll are you talking about? This ship couldnt outlast npcing RAven, firing torps to which I had 90+ resistance, and had no nos on me, and started on 15km. That was with Ions.
Now imagine what it would be like against even one nos, and electrons instead ------------------ Save Deimos! |
XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:43:00 -
[982]
Originally by: Audrea
Originally by: XGS Crimson Edited by: XGS Crimson on 10/10/2006 09:34:14
Originally by: Lucus Ranger
Originally by: XGS Crimson deimos is just about the coolest ship in the game!... and all it wants is less mass and about 20mps more speed!
Yes, but I think it could also do with a slight pg boost, so it can fit 5x Ion + Med Nos + Med Slots and a Tank...
i dont agree the pg is fine to me this ship isnt designed to use all those things.
5x electon II 1x med nos 1x mwd 1x webber 1x scrammer 1x med repper II 2x damage mod 3x resistance possibly 2 reppers... with this setup and the skills you will dish out a shot every 2 seconds per gun doing about 80-100 damage per shot
+5 med drones... is a total of (dont forget gallente weapons get more criticals than any other) about 2000 damage in 10 seconds against decent resists
What the h3ll are you talking about? This ship couldnt outlast npcing RAven, firing torps to which I had 90+ resistance, and had no nos on me, and started on 15km. That was with Ions.
Now imagine what it would be like against even one nos, and electrons instead
lol raven = bs... deimos = cruiser (weapon size)
electrons only loose range not damage... in some cases they do more damage.
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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:44:00 -
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Edited by: XGS Crimson on 10/10/2006 09:44:16 and npcing raven is just about the hardest ship to kill...
battleship sorry
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Miklas Laces
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
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Posted - 2006.10.10 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: XGS Crimson electrons only loose range not damage... in some cases they do more damage.
The range difference (~3km) is huge for a blaster-boat. On paper the damage increase from Electrons to Ions is ~10%, but I found that often it is more, because of the increased range.
Test it yourself, fly a Deimos with 2 electrons and 2 ions, then have some real fights, then go back to station and analyze the combat logs.
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Miklas Laces
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
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Posted - 2006.10.10 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: XGS Crimson i dont agree the pg is fine to me this ship isnt designed to use all those things.
5x electon II 1x med nos 1x mwd 1x webber 1x scrammer 1x med repper II 2x damage mod 3x resistance
With Electrons, I should be able to fit a Plate. Your setup shows that even a sub-par fitting is possible only using the worst guns.
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Azhu
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Posted - 2006.10.10 11:23:00 -
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it was a good ship .. now its kinda "okay" But there is far more better ships then "die-most" |
Xoduse
Beasts of Burden Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.10 18:10:00 -
[987]
Originally by: Ju Blimb Gah, the Amarr thread is winning, it reached page 88. Bump for the Deimos !!
Thats because they're much better whiners than us.
Just please fix our ship, deimos has been broken forever. ---------------------
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Fenderson
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:26:00 -
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i was just thinking about this and getting upset so i thought i'd whine a little
Lets look at vagabond vs deimos. Sure its not a fair comparison, the vaga is way overpowered. But the ships are designed to fill pretty much the same role in theory, so in some ways it is valid.
Comparing possible fittings with 1 RCU II:
Vagabond: 5 x 220mm ac med nos LARGE extender LARGE shield booster MWD II Scram nanos/gyros/WCS in whatever combination desired
Deimos: 5 x ions med nos mwd,scram, web or cap charger MED rep 3x harders 1 mag stab
So to recap, using 1 RCU II and the same high slot configuration, on the vaga you can fit a large rep and extender, whereas the deimos can only fit a med rep and some hardeners, making the survivability of the vaga waaaaay longer. Plate? forget about it. And thats not even factoring in speed/manueverability in any way. grrrrrr....
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Plaetean
Mortis Manus
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Posted - 2006.10.10 21:37:00 -
[989]
/signed. More grid plz.
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Kunming
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.11 07:56:00 -
[990]
Pimp it up TUX, common
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