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Digiblast
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Posted - 2005.12.04 00:32:00 -
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Yea Listen to Shin Ra Heikki
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Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2005.12.04 02:19:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Jankins on 04/12/2005 02:22:33 Well repect. I liked your style, because it was really unique. On my first travel from empire to Curse (with another char), my indi with some equipment, bpcs and bpos got shot, so I continued my travel in my egg and only a few jumps later I warped into your smartbombs with my pod. Implants removed, one sorrow less. Good start !
But I think that was also a good lesson. Remember when you tried to convince me just to run through with my blackbird and finally offered me to pass, because I warned all people in local. Or when we tried to jump on you with interceptors and the smartbombs fired next to us, before you went into warp. Somehow I enjoyed it, although guess everyone wished that he was one of your killers, also me.
So can hundreds of players remove you from their buddy now ?
P.S.: Before I forget it, grats to the killers, well done, but I'll miss the Heikki alarm somehow. ___________ 'Wanna-not-be forum warrior. <3' |
dalman
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Posted - 2005.12.04 02:24:00 -
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I was both glad and upset to hear about this.
I won't flame the setup, cause I did the very same thing in the same area waaaay back in the SAvsCA war (although, at that time the smartbombs blew up both ship, pod, corpse and can, so only times I got loot was from transports using sec cans in their hold).
Glad - cause you've certainly been a real pain in the *** to our frigate pilots.
Upset - cause I had serious plans about killing you to loot those smartbombs myself, problem being so totally helpless against all other hostiles in the corridor when set up for it. But after you got the navy thron I assumed you'd have 8 stabs + MWD, and hence couldn't be killed by my 4x strength 2 + web. Hence I got a bit upset when it turned out you 'only' had 7 stabs and no MWD.
But GG, both to you, and my friends in COL.
Drink up, shoot in. Let the beating begin. Distributor of pain. Your loss becomes my gain...
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Xaarist
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Posted - 2005.12.05 07:33:00 -
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ok, another point of view. heikki is the best at what he did. word. he had the best tactics, the best gear, and hence the best kill/loss ratio. other point is, that imho he uses a bug to kill ships, because noone is supposed to hit a ship in warp and CCP does not want ships to be hit in warp. this is the first bug he used to his advantage, but as much as i blame him for doing it i blame CCP for making it possible. next point, you are not supposed to use any area of effect weapon next to a station or gate. but this is not the case at every gate, some gates seem to have a smaller radius than others, so you are able to use a smartie although the distance to gate shows less than 3 km (added the gate diameter you can hit even insta-jumping ships with smarties of that class). as above, CCP doesn't want you to do it but it's possible so this is kinda bug-using to me, too.
one could have at least a guilty conscience about these tactics.
rating: effort 9/10 (cos of the high loss) honor 1/10 (would never fight targets with a chance * stabbies) bugusing 0/10
note: he never got me, so i am not writing this because i hate him like hell for podding me (random number) times.
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Minxella
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Posted - 2005.12.05 08:39:00 -
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Smart bomb does NOT equate to PvP, it equates to being smart, he saw a chance to exploit and took it, and did very well out of it. The question is how he got so many kills before he got killed.
AnD OMG Full of 9k Smart Bombs, That would be a sweet kill. |
Xaarist
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Posted - 2005.12.05 10:21:00 -
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has been a sweet kill, cos he's dead now. read all posts 4TW! ---------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is an alien dressed as Bunny to secretly gain world domination. |
Heikki
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Posted - 2005.12.05 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Xaarist bug to kill ... noone is supposed to hit a ship in warp
Warpblasting probably wasn't intended feature, but might still not be considered as an exploit. There were a few petitions about it I reckon, and nothing came out of them.
Using smarties near objects was fixed and seem rather bugless to me. Early this year you could sit in middle of gate structures and bomb there, as long as you were 5km away from the center.
But that was fixed long ago; now you have to be at least 5km from the exterior of the gate, as shown in overview. For most gates, checked with tactical overview, it seemed I had to be 5-10km from the exterior, and 10-15km from the center.
So, there seems to be couple effective ways to use smarties now. 1) Sit 10-20km in the 'front' of the gate (closer you would sometimes miss since ships become invulnerable when finishing warp) 2) Go just 5km behind the gate, and try to catch those who miss gate.
Should someone want to play more with smarties, and is slighly familiar with Perl, there is a script I made to calculate how many volleys of smarties are needed against a given ship/type, and what's the optimal order..
-Lasse
P.S. I hope RMR doesn't introduce too tempting smartbomb superchargers..
P.P.S. Most mercs seem to have higher kill/loss ratios, especially if counted in ISK. Checking numbers, would estimate I caused damages of 14-20B, while losing two smartbomb ships worth of total 6B.
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Mallrat Extreme
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Posted - 2005.12.05 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra the cloak is the icing on the cake. Awesome setup.
If you were more careful about scan probing etc you would be absolutly unkillable.
Digiblast didn't use scan probes. THAT was what made it brilliant.
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Dahin
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Posted - 2005.12.05 13:20:00 -
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I can vouch that his setup works. He blasted me while I was cloaked
At least I'm free to do all the silly stuff we're used to do without my implants...
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Xaarist
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Posted - 2005.12.05 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Heikki
Using smarties near objects was fixed and seem rather bugless to me. Early this year you could sit in middle of gate structures and bomb there, as long as you were 5km away from the center.
But that was fixed long ago; now you have to be at least 5km from the exterior of the gate, as shown in overview.
don't want to invite people to use exploits, but there are _at least_ 2 gates i know of where you still can sit almost in the gate structure and fire smartbombs. at one distance to gate is shown as ~2000m and at the other ~2600m. ---------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is an alien dressed as Bunny to secretly gain world domination. |
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.12.05 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Xaarist
Originally by: Heikki
Using smarties near objects was fixed and seem rather bugless to me. Early this year you could sit in middle of gate structures and bomb there, as long as you were 5km away from the center.
But that was fixed long ago; now you have to be at least 5km from the exterior of the gate, as shown in overview.
don't want to invite people to use exploits, but there are _at least_ 2 gates i know of where you still can sit almost in the gate structure and fire smartbombs. at one distance to gate is shown as ~2000m and at the other ~2600m.
Its possible on pretty much every gate to sit within jump range and still be able to active smartbombs.
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Skyscorcher
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Posted - 2005.12.06 02:02:00 -
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Edited by: Skyscorcher on 06/12/2005 02:02:42 I'm curious, how much damage Could this setup do exactly? Single blast and DPS-wise. ______________________________
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Macro Media
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Posted - 2005.12.06 12:06:00 -
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As much as I would laugh with glee if I did this, I have to say one thing. Make Gate to gate travel anyware 100% safe. Until that happens, people will carebear in high sec and never try to develop a market which pvpers can use in 0.0
------------ Criminal EVE Guides Evil Genius 101 Guide |
Edhel
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Posted - 2005.12.06 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Macro Media As much as I would laugh with glee if I did this, I have to say one thing. Make Gate to gate travel anyware 100% safe. Until that happens, people will carebear in high sec and never try to develop a market which pvpers can use in 0.0
This is a horrible idea
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TheKiller8
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Posted - 2005.12.06 12:55:00 -
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Hahaha awesome. Reminds me of my bombageddon which pretty much sports an identical setup.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.12.06 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Macro Media As much as I would laugh with glee if I did this, I have to say one thing. Make Gate to gate travel anyware 100% safe. Until that happens, people will carebear in high sec and never try to develop a market which pvpers can use in 0.0
Oh look its a big enemy fleet omming to invae our territory. Hmm, mostly indys. Oh well, lets wait a couple of days until they get set up and are ready to take us out in one foul swoop.
Damn our alliance got killed. They had too many pos'. Oh well, at least I can get my pod back to empire safely.
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Macro Media
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Posted - 2005.12.06 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: Macro Media on 06/12/2005 14:29:26
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Macro Media As much as I would laugh with glee if I did this, I have to say one thing. Make Gate to gate travel anyware 100% safe. Until that happens, people will carebear in high sec and never try to develop a market which pvpers can use in 0.0
Oh look its a big enemy fleet omming to invae our territory. Hmm, mostly indys. Oh well, lets wait a couple of days until they get set up and are ready to take us out in one foul swoop.
Damn our alliance got killed. They had too many pos'. Oh well, at least I can get my pod back to empire safely.
100% safe gate travel means traveler are safe. It means that you will have to patrol your space to make sure it if POS free, and if someone decides to dump POS's, well, lets just say that dreadnaughts are getting cheaper every day...
If things stay the way they are, then all you get are people setting up POS's during timezone wars anyway. Without safe gate travel, an enemy alliance can simply hire mercs to smartbomb a gate to instapop just about anything that goes past, resulting in carebears r us.
And anyone planning to enter 0.0 will just send an alt to scout ahead so it serves not much in the way of any purpose. ------------ Criminal EVE Guides Evil Genius 101 Guide |
Heikki
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Posted - 2005.12.06 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Skyscorcher
I'm curious, how much damage Could this setup do exactly? Single blast and DPS-wise.
2196 damage per blast (1350EM 846Ex), or 293 DPS, while using 92 cap per second. With the cap booster running, could launch some 12 successive blasts at best.
Assuming common skills and unhardened setup, single blast would kill all ceptors, destroyers, covert ships and frigates, as well as low-end haulers(7 of 12) and Ishkur. Assault ships would die in 2 blasts, cruisers in 2-3, and HACs with 3-5. Those two battleships I ever managed with this setups were fed to Ogres.
Geddon with 8 named bombs could do the same, but with far cheaper setup..
Could have well used one or two more bombs, but would have lost a stab (for CPU), and ability to waste HACs (due missing neutralizers).
-Lasse
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Captain Woodward
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Posted - 2005.12.06 15:32:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Woodward on 06/12/2005 15:32:26 How did you then manage to kill the AFs/Cruisers/HAC Not using the 20k infront of gate tactic i suppose? But still,3-5 blast for an hac,Should be enough to jump through.
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Grehb
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Posted - 2005.12.07 00:17:00 -
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Very cool story, although I'm sure dailyhazard will be annoyed to read yet another 'I'm so cool kill story'.
:P
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TURBOman
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Posted - 2005.12.08 01:22:00 -
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Heh, U're finaly dead. Grats to you cuz u're the one of rare players solo annoying couple alliances :) I must mention that u were kind enuf to sometimes let the pods go thru and i respect you for that.
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2005.12.08 07:37:00 -
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Looking at the sheer numbers you've killed and their alliances I have to say one thing. We need you back in business Heikki! Keep up the good work.
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.12.08 07:39:00 -
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And whats most important, his from Finland
*craws back under the bridge* ________________________________________________________
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Neil
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Posted - 2005.12.08 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: TURBOman Heh, U're finaly dead. Grats to you cuz u're the one of rare players solo annoying couple alliances :) I must mention that u were kind enuf to sometimes let the pods go thru and i respect you for that.
Respect to Heikki, running the corridor in a frig is easy normally no matter what size enemey fleet maybe camped waiting for you, Heikki however is a different matter. No matter what you think of his setup, it worked and worked well. He didnt smack in local, didnt post countless forum threads, he just became a real pain in the butt As Turboman said he even let the pods escape, sometimes
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Sharken
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Posted - 2005.12.08 19:15:00 -
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I popped my PvP cherry on a tactic just like this.
Now I appreciate we are looking at someone who does it in 0.0 against tough PvPers and I have a lot of respect for that. However, this tactic was deployed in empire (0.4) by a couple of campers on Sunday 4th December last - I lost 35 mil isk and I am new to the game.
The situation is different but there are people doing exactly the same thing on noobs. On Sunday night they got 16 kills off noobs in one place within 20mins thats 16 people probably disgusted with the ability to do this.
I don't know how you feel about it - the tactic here is different because of the location and the people he was up against. Against noobs it reachs a degree of lameness that is hard to describe. In other games they call it grey killing and only the lowest of the low do it.
One thought would be for CCP to fit bigger sized smart bombs to some gates in empire at random and blow up anyone camping for longer than a set space of time. Member of Silent Running "Why is our CEO wearing a black rubber mask?" |
patteSatan
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Posted - 2005.12.10 19:14:00 -
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Heikki, Im kind of a noob, you podded me twice, but I cant hate you, you have my respect.
Regards Patte
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Jane Vladmir
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Posted - 2005.12.10 20:53:00 -
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Great story, props for being dedicated to what you do.
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Skyscorcher
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Posted - 2005.12.11 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon And whats most important, his from Finland
Really? That's depressing :( Finns are scary. ______________________________
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Megadon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 08:27:00 -
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I tell ya, most people like you I would just view as a griefing pain in the ass. But because you developed a unique tactic, developed a reputation, stuck to the role of what your were doing and carried it all out successfully while not being an ass to people. That is cool. Hats off. Glad you got kilt.
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TekRa
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Posted - 2005.12.11 10:41:00 -
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Nothing against you personally mate, but I have to celebrate after you killed so many people. :) I never could understand why pilots still warped to the gates after seeing you in system, and even tho your tactic was so predictable there are still some really, really stupid people out there.
gl in your new career... wait a minute, bad luck, BAD!. _____________________________________ The zenith of hypocrisy. |
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