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MotherMoon
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:17:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler
WE WANT ESTABLISHMENTS, NOT CQ! NOT NEX! |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:18:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.
"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "
I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.
So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.
DO NOT ABANDON WiS!! LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!
Issler
WE WANT ESTABLISHMENTS, NOT CQ! NOT NEX! |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:46:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:i have a post about how they could do WiS as a mini mmo inside of eve with its own income to support being on a diff sever as to not take away from the the FiS server resources
that's what they were allready doing... |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.10.26 08:39:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Agreed on the trolling, and yes these same points keep being brought up as new folks chime in.
As for the comment that WIS should be a distant thought for now, I can't get behind that one.
No offense, but I think now is the time for a small group of content designers to be thinking seriously about what the game plan (and game play) is going to be once they get to the point where they can think about starting work with it again.
I'm not talking a massive team, just those that specialize in the broad strokes... taking some time over the next few months to get their head around the concepts discussed in this thread and others... and figure out how to get things moving in the right direction without shooting themselves (and EVE's core game play) in the foot again.
They seriously need to set up a white board like they did for organizing their thoughts on the purpose and organization of Null Sec and establish some guidelines and goals, and define the lines they should never cross again.
I think this thread did serve a purpose, trolls aside. People on both sides of the debate found a bit of common ground, and most have acknowledged the sane points that were made on both sides.
That's pretty rare on this forum.
And perhaps, if/when WIS is looked at again in the future, this thread might just have some influence on the decisions that will be made. Anything that can help CCP to avoid causing anger on one side and disappointment on the other is a plus, however it turns out. You know, I'm not opposed to your proposal at all. As people probably know by now my personal opposition to Incarna is NeX/MT + bad engine + no content. If they have a tight group of designers go back and look at it again and perhaps base a redesign around a licensed unreal engine (to solve the performance/scaleability issue) - look for some genuine content (perhaps via crowdsourcing/focus groups/simple community polling) and ensure this content is delivered through player led industry (built by players for players) and there is no trace whatsoever of NeX/MT in the scheme then I for one could get behind some Incarna development in the medium term.
ding ding ding
Exactly. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:41:00 -
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Eve online is a game about pilots and captains, flying spaceships. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:39:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Paragon Renegade wrote:
Unless WiS suddenly becomes a TPS/FPS with pules-pounding action & buttloads of explosions for hours on end, flying around in a spaceship is going to take more priority in a game set in space featuring spaceships.
LOL an MMO player talking about FPS. Like any of you have a clue. EVE, like all MMOs, is easymode, low skill gaming. If you can PVP with a mouse in one hand and a slice of pizza in the other then you are the typical MMO player. Don't even dare to think about incorporating a game of skill into EVE. This is why Dust needs to be released sooner than later. A lot of people want a twitch skill game. EVE is losing out on a vast part of the gaming market. If you added anything in EVE that required the use of the WASD keys(walking, for instance), half the playerbase would (threaten to) quit. Oh wait... Mr Epeen
yes because slow strategy games that only involve the mouse and thinking out your moves in no way involve skill. Stupid chess players, thinking they somehow are playing a game of skill. hahaha |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.10.27 08:53:00 -
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Shu Jia wrote:promise is a promise. Man should honour their promises.CCP , I want to open the DOOR....
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.11.01 06:54:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:Incarna and Dust514 are full of promises (I still mourn Planetside daily). In the end, if CCP pulls through, we'll have the most complete and interactive sci-fi game universe ever. What they're trying to do is nothing short of revolutionary.
It just so happens that they lack the resources to focus on everything at once. Right now, Eve(FIS) is paying the bills, so it only makes sense to focus on Eve(FIS).
Brilliantly put |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.11.08 20:50:00 -
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Incarna was never a prototype for WoD. If yo really think that, get your facts straight.
Wod was the prototype for incarna. Remember most of us PLAYED Walking in stations at fanfest 4 years ago before WoD even had a single dev.
so suck it. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.12.03 17:36:00 -
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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
I want walking in stations so bad : ( |
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.12.06 03:14:00 -
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While I allready said I want WiS i eve more than other. Well other than maybe the neo neocom.
The fact is, WiS needs to be put on the backburner until all abandoned Content has not been abandoned anymore.
ESPECIALLY planetary interaction. With dust having a February release date, If PI doesn't get the attention it deserves Dust 514 will have no one in eve interested, because no one wants to fight over mining on planets in space.
We need populations control. We need limited space on each planet. We need schools and military complexes. We need a real planetary sim game, and we need it within the next 3 months or DUST 514 is going to fail hardcore.
Without limited space on each planet who the hell is going to fight over land, when it's not in limited supply. There is literally so many planets in eve, that there is no way every planet could be taken up. And if it's fun enough PI with limited space per planets could get people to spread out a bit.
Even if only 40 spots were on every planet, there are still 4-8 planets per system. Which means each system could support anywhere from 160-320 players.
Without some kinda of real PI experience like we saw at fanfest, Dust has no chance : ( |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.12.07 05:14:00 -
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Tammy Triscuit wrote:MotherMoon wrote:While I allready said I want WiS i eve more than other. Well other than maybe the neo neocom.
The fact is, WiS needs to be put on the backburner until all abandoned Content has not been abandoned anymore.
ESPECIALLY planetary interaction. With dust having a February release date, If PI doesn't get the attention it deserves Dust 514 will have no one in eve interested, because no one wants to fight over mining on planets in space.
We need populations control. We need limited space on each planet. We need schools and military complexes. We need a real planetary sim game, and we need it within the next 3 months or DUST 514 is going to fail hardcore.
Without limited space on each planet who the hell is going to fight over land, when it's not in limited supply. There is literally so many planets in eve, that there is no way every planet could be taken up. And if it's fun enough PI with limited space per planets could get people to spread out a bit.
Even if only 40 spots were on every planet, there are still 4-8 planets per system. Which means each system could support anywhere from 160-320 players.
Without some kinda of real PI experience like we saw at fanfest, Dust has no chance : ( It's not going to happen, CCP is going to have Dust stand on it's own merits as an FPS. They aren't counting so much on EVE players using Dust. I think they're going to market it as a cheap or free? Console download with free updates to people who don't necessarily play EVE, telling them they are effecting this huge space universe (lie to them) and hopefully bring new younger customers to EVE. I don't think most EVE players own a console, though I think the eve-radio channel viewers probably do. That's just my guess. But the end result is that we will not get a planet sim, mark that down as another CCP pipe dream much like establishments were. Even though they'd probably like to and it would be great. They aren't capable of it.
That's weird because they already said that Dust player have the same access to PI as EVE players.
And review sites have already seen eve players shooting the planet in real time. I mean it's not really real time, it's faked, as in your shot lands randomly has a delay. The point is, both players get the same PI interface, and can shoot each other.
Without meaningful PI, even without eve, dust will suck. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.12.07 06:48:00 -
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Sinitron wrote:my only problem is that for a company with so many employees ccp sure puts out an absolute minimum of content
BINGO!
during incrana they had 80- devs on FiS. How do 80 devs make less content than 30 devs back with red moon rising. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.12.23 20:02:00 -
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I just a temp room for that sweet board game they said was ready for the incarna expansion. But then the muliplayer environments died.
So it seems the best next small step would be to push out the ability to invite people into your CQ, and let us set up the gaming table. It's still just beta testingy stuff, but even if we are allowed to invite over a friend or two max, it would be something. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.12.27 21:03:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:It's amazing to me how completely greedy the FiS crowd is. Seems to me the WiS crowd wants to see work done on both FiS and WiS while the FiS crowd wants nothing but FiS to be worked on...
My vote has always been to let CCP do what they want and make the game they want to make. I say we shut the whiny little fucks up who *****, protest and shoot at statues. well DUST beta is coming ,lets see how much will be done on FIS or WIS
People need to remember there are not more people working on eve now than when incarna was released. They fired 200 people. |
MotherMoon
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Posted - 2011.12.27 23:52:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:MotherMoon wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:It's amazing to me how completely greedy the FiS crowd is. Seems to me the WiS crowd wants to see work done on both FiS and WiS while the FiS crowd wants nothing but FiS to be worked on...
My vote has always been to let CCP do what they want and make the game they want to make. I say we shut the whiny little fucks up who *****, protest and shoot at statues. well DUST beta is coming ,lets see how much will be done on FIS or WIS People need to remember there are not more people working on eve now than when incarna was released. They fired 200 people. And for that we can blame the crybabies that rage quit over petty crap. I am still predicting that DUST will not only make CCP more money but will also draw in more players to play EvE making them even more money. Same thing would have happened if WiS was completed. I am willing to bet that EvE would have made more back in new subs over the losers that quit if they had kept going with WiS and didn't back down on it. I still like Crucible and everything it has brought us in new ships and content but completing WiS should not be dismissed by CCP. While focus should remain on FiS, WiS should not be left behind and should be finished sooner rather than later.
yeah but even the WiS lovers like me quit over that terrible expansion.
also to guy above, they only put people on WiS for 6 months. The lack of good FiS features had nothing to do with WiS devoplment. Think about it. They were just being bad. All those other FiS only expansion that came out, while ignoring the playerbase was to blame. Incarna was just the tipping point |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2012.01.02 09:19:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:we are just asking for a little bit of dev time and of course we want to know if that is possible. You got over two years of dev time. Maybe you forgot what happened over the summer when the fruits of that labor were put into the game. with all respect ,you are displaying a lack of memory again WOD did get the most dev time in that period and DUST consolecrap came after that The point was that time *was* spent on WiS and it was disastrous for the game.
BS, you think the 3 FiS expansions before incarna, which were made with more time and more devs than this last expansion were bad because some other team was making WiS.
your a fool. Your honestly letting CCP get off easy with that excuse.
I think we all knew what a disastrous event incarna was going to be when we saw fanfest and they had NOTHING to show. If they have been working so hard on WiS for the past 2 years as you think, they wuold of had a lot more game.
no the last 3 FiS expansions were bad because they ignored the playerbase, and abandoned features. |
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