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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.03.07 05:14:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Maybe if you bothered to look at the thread I linked and read through it, you'd see that the majority of the posted replies in it were in favor of WiS Ambulation.
So now you are moving the goalposts. Not too surprising I suppose, now that you've been caught making stuff up (lying). You seem to have a limited understanding of what English words mean. What you said originally was: "The majority of the player base has wanted WiS" which is completely different than what you are claiming now. Here, I'll even link it all up for you, because I'm not lazy:
http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/1#15
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
lol, funny how people post incorrect statements without checking the facts.
The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP previewed Ambulation back in 2006.
Facts are funny things eh? In the same post you managed to chide others for posting incorrect statements and not checking facts and then you make a whopper of an unsubstantiated claim at the same time.
I and another player shortly after simply and politely asked you for proof to backup your claims without taking any position of our own, and you got all pissy with us and started with your "no, you" rebuttals and hurling insults.
http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/1#30
Doc Fury wrote: Please provide links to an official CCP citation that backs-up your assertion that a majority of players wanted WIS.
http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#53
Ai Shun wrote: Do you have a source for this? I've seen you claim this; I've seen other people claim the opposite. Thus far I've not seen a single iota of proof for these assertions. Now I recall from an earlier thread you were lambasting people for claiming the opposite. I sincerely hope you can back up your claims.
Followed by your "proof" via ad hominem and proving non-existence fallacies :
DeMichael Crimson wrote:http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#38Since you obviously only do selective quoting and can't provide links proving me wrong, STFU. http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#41Obviously you're lazy or incompetent and I won't be arsed into doing any work for you. Obviously you and others like you are so blinded by ignorance that you can't even accept the actual truth when it's presented. Feel free to look over the events and multiple forum threads during the summer of 2011, then STFU. http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#55Same to you, I haven't seen you provide any 'iota' of proof to back up your statements either. Please link your source stating that the majority of the player base did not want WiS when CCP first previewed Ambulation.
continued next post The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.03.07 05:15:00 -
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--continued --
Then you made a final failed attempt to explain how burden of proof works outside of the criminal court system.
http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/3#62
DeMichael Crimson wrote: Heh, don't know what country the two of you live in but according to the 'Free' world country's, a person is innocent until proven guilty. In other words, the burden of proof falls on you to prove I am making false statements.
Anyway, you definitely excel at posting a bunch of 'Nada' while beating your chests and stomping your feet.. so no more soup for you. Hope you choke on it since the two of you are incapable of doing a little bit of research.
All of that anger and deflection from you just because 2 players politely asked for your evidence without making any claims themselves who then only kept asking you when you tried to evade the issue. Deep anger and paranoia issues, I think you haz them.
So, who here is beating their chest, foot stamping and ranting, who is trolling, and who is lying? (rhetorical question) The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.07 05:16:00 -
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welp, it's a done deal, FIS reigns supreme, for the foreseeable future. according to Herr CCP T0rfi the friggin Art Director not me, in an interview given this year 2012, not 2006. focus and priority is now placed on the core essence of eve, which is spaceships (spaceships creation and destruction) anything else is extraneous (Herr T0rfi's words) and frivolous and worthless (my words).
so how what do you say DMC? still going to keep arguing semantics with Doc Fury? One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Dramaticus
Goonswarm Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.03.07 05:34:00 -
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173 pages over a useless feature man look at you pubbies go |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
919
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Posted - 2012.03.07 05:58:00 -
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Dramaticus wrote:173 pages over a useless feature man look at you pubbies go
173 pages fueled by little bee fear posting. Don't be frightened little bees, show us on the space barbie where the bad station touched you.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.03.07 06:05:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Dramaticus wrote:173 pages over a useless feature man look at you pubbies go 173 pages fueled by little bee fear posting. Don't be frightened little bees, show us on the space barbie where the bad station touched you. Mr Epeen
What are we afraid of? CCP all of a sudden deciding they hate making money and going back to neglecting Eve for more space pants? After the disaster of Incarna and the success of Cruicible that's not very likely.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.03.07 06:06:00 -
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Dramaticus wrote:173 pages over a useless feature man look at you pubbies go
To be fair to the pubbies the vast majority of the posts in this thread are pro-Eve/anti-WiS.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
111
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Posted - 2012.03.07 06:18:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Dramaticus wrote:173 pages over a useless feature man look at you pubbies go 173 pages fueled by little bee fear posting. Don't be frightened little bees, show us on the space barbie where the bad station touched you. Mr Epeen
Pff
This is the internet, the magical land where subjective opinion = objective fact and their opinion is that it sucks therefore the fact is that it sucks. I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.07 07:25:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Dramaticus wrote:173 pages over a useless feature man look at you pubbies go 173 pages fueled by little bee fear posting. Don't be frightened little bees, show us on the space barbie where the bad station touched you. Mr Epeen god knows what you want to do to that space barbie you sicko freak. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.03.07 08:31:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Dramaticus wrote:173 pages over a useless feature man look at you pubbies go To be fair to the pubbies the vast majority of the posts in this thread are pro-Eve/anti-WiS.
Last time someone took the time to count the pro ambulation posts were dramatically higher than the same 7 goon trolls.
So as the few "usual suspects" goon trolls like to say. Prove it, count those posts and show us those numbers. Half of them have to be from Lady Marmot and contain either the word "pants" or "space barbie".
So prove it or STFU.
Issler Danze Supporter of Ambulation CSM 7 Candidate |
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Meleric
Verteidiger des wahren Bloedsinns Universal Constant Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.03.07 09:33:00 -
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I see it in a different way. CCP is planning to merge EVE with Dust 514. So it's only consistant, that Walking in Stations have to come. I my mind's eye I see capsuleers walking into areas where Dust-Mercenaries are waiting for some work.
Just remember the video "a future vision" Youtube.
And, yes, I would like to have walking in stations. Give us some minigames, a corp-office with useful gadgets, and maybe some holo-tech to hold conferences when there are in different places. |
Adaris
47
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Posted - 2012.03.07 12:00:00 -
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I would very much like if the short term focus for Incarna was on a three-fold approach:
- Avatar expression (emote system) - Avatar customization (clothes, tattoos, hair styles, body elements etc) - Avatar socializing (facilitating more avatars being in the same location as one another)
Customization, for the most part is stand-alone. Expression is tied to socializing though, so the issue with the graphical demands of having multiple avatars in the same location needs to be addressed. If we can get a system whereby the facility to invite a set amount of avatars to the same location is possible, then much has been achieved for future iteration.
I would talk about what type of environments and activities should follow these three themes, but that should be considered more long term, especially with just one Dev Team assigned right now.
I am unsure if the current team has the technical expertise to address the issues of having multiple avatars occupy the same CQs though, but perhaps the expansion of expression through emotes (likely through the chat system) could follow alongside the continued work on avatar customization. Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities.~ Mark Twain
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.03.07 12:36:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: Maybe if you bothered to look at the thread I linked and read through it, you'd see that the majority of the posted replies in it were in favor of WiS Ambulation.
Not even close. Edit: I realized that you weren't talking about this thread and were talking about a thread that happened before Incarna. Of course everybody was pro-WiS back then...we still believed CCP could pull it all off. Then summer came and we saw what two years of Eve neglect had bought us.
Exactly what I was talking about. That happened in spring of 2011. That was about WiS Ambulation, not WiS Incarna.
Some players just want to twist it around and write a 2000 word essay contained in 2 posted replies back to back about how I'm making stuff up or 'moving goalposts' now since they conveniently mistook WiS Ambulation for WiS Incarna. .
Oh wait a second, you just made a statement 'Everybody was pro-WiS back then', now you're gonna have to show proof with CCP verified stats that 'Everybody was indeed pro-WiS back then'. And then after you dig up something to back up that statement, it won't be accepted, your words will be twisted and represented in a totally different context.
EDIT:
I know you're just making a generalization about the majority of the playerbase opinions but hey, some players just won't accept that. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
275
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Posted - 2012.03.07 12:57:00 -
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wtf is "emote system"
What I think WiS first needs is some new FiS feature that is accessible for corp members together:
I'd love to see an ingame EFT for fleets that integrates with corp member skills.
Make it as shiny and cool as you please, avatars gathered in a command room with holoships, damage & logistics projection visualisations and whatever, but this could probably get anti-Eve-anti-WiS crowd interested as well.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1257
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:13:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:welp, it's a done deal, FIS reigns supreme, for the foreseeable future. according to Herr CCP T0rfi the friggin Art Director not me, in an interview given this year 2012, not 2006. focus and priority is now placed on the core essence of eve, which is spaceships (spaceships creation and destruction) anything else is extraneous (Herr T0rfi's words) and frivolous and worthless (my words).
so how what do you say DMC? still going to keep arguing semantics with Doc Fury?
I don't really care what you think has transpired. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you.
As for Doc Fury, he wrote a 2000 word essay containing a lot of 'Yada, yada, yada' in 2 posted replies back to back and managed only to say 'Nada'.
FYI - the thread I linked was from spring of 2011, not 2006. Also it was about WiS Ambulation, not WiS Incarna.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:24:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpcSGcqHtmc there's going to be a quiz! what is CCP t0rfi referring to as the essence/core of eve online and what will they be focusing on?
Edit: Off topic part removed, CCP Phantom One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:53:00 -
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Dang...I had to view the posts of Ladie Harlot and Taiwanistan just to see what you guys are arguing with them about. Why don't you all just block them. Ignore them and everything they say. Eventually people will stop quoting them and they will stop coming to this thread for attention. There are like 5 of them who troll this thread to no end. Let them troll...if you don't feed the trolls they eventually leave. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
99
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:01:00 -
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I'd be all for WiS as long as:
1. It doesn't de-rail FiS development again.
2. You get Supermarionation as a display option.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:16:00 -
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Samillian wrote:I'd be all for WiS as long as: 1. It doesn't de-rail FiS development again. 2. You get Supermarionation as a display option. lol @ Supermarionation.
America! **** YEAH!
I can see it now... EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:21:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Dang...I had to view the posts of Ladie Harlot and Taiwanistan just to see what you guys are arguing with them about. Why don't you all just block them. Ignore them and everything they say. Eventually people will stop quoting them and they will stop coming to this thread for attention. There are like 5 of them who troll this thread to no end. Let them troll...if you don't feed the trolls they eventually leave.
i know right, many a times i find myself beleaguered by the multitudes of deviant emote loving lispers and i am like to hell with it whatever god will judge them. and then posts like the below pops up and completely rejuvenates my conviction!!!
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
As I've pointed out several times, social gameplay is the mother of emergent gameplay. It needs a minimal investment in infrastructure and can keep players amused like forever. Just hand out some tools and allow people use them. Organized gameplay is cool to have, NPC interaction is cool, but from a cost/profit POV there is nothing as effective as just let people interact through avatars. Throw in some "hologram" technology so they're not forced to be aboard the same station and ther you go. Now add some advantages to physically being there (I already suggested stuff like kissing, caressing, punching, slapping... or dancing, if CCP were up to a tough ball; i've been iterating on the dance concept and I am figuring ways so two players can syncronize their moves within EVE's 1 second server frames... I don't mean "hit dance emote, do silly moves", rather "press the right keys at the right time so the server is fed the right "combos" from both sides at the right time and plays the right animation... in my limited knowledge, nobody ever tried that online...)
Err, to the point, there are lots of things that can be done as tools for friendly social interaction. If someone wants avatar PvP, they may have it, as long as it is not shoved down the throat of every player. Stations are griefing free zones and should stay like that. The worst that can happen in a station is being scammed and that must stay like that.
Adaris wrote:I would very much like if the short term focus for Incarna was on a three-fold approach:
- Avatar expression (emote system) - Avatar customization (clothes, tattoos, hair styles, body elements etc) - Avatar socializing (facilitating more avatars being in the same location as one another)
Customization, for the most part is stand-alone. Expression is tied to socializing though, so the issue with the graphical demands of having multiple avatars in the same location needs to be addressed. If we can get a system whereby the facility to invite a set amount of avatars to the same location is possible, then much has been achieved for future iteration.
I would talk about what type of environments and activities should follow these three themes, but that should be considered more long term, especially with just one Dev Team assigned right now.
I am unsure if the current team has the technical expertise to address the issues of having multiple avatars occupy the same CQs though, but perhaps the expansion of expression through emotes (likely through the chat system) could follow alongside the continued work on avatar customization.
One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:32:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: Some players just want to twist it around and write a 2000 word essay contained in 2 posted replies back to back about how I'm making stuff up or 'moving goalposts' now since they conveniently mistook WiS Ambulation for WiS Incarna. .
Oh, you are just soooo misunderstood. I get it, players like me are just confused because you think there are now 2 flavors of WIS, and a (still unsubstantiated) "majority" only wanted one of those. Are you serious?
Regardless of how you now are trying to spin what "WIS" means to you or is perceived to mean by others:
http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/1#15
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
lol, funny how people post incorrect statements without checking the facts.
The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP previewed Ambulation back in 2006.
It's still quite hilarious that you chide others for posting incorrect, non-factual statements and then make stuff up to support your position in the very same post. I also don't see where you differentiated which "version" of WIS you were referring to. "WIS ever since 2006" just means WIS.
Dunno' how many words that is so far sparky, or why that would be relevant, but do keep trying to spin what you said to mean something else. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
oldbutfeelingyoung
418
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:53:00 -
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a few Goons afraid of emoting and getting emotional and have a little tear in their left eye here hehehehe they are just a little angry bc ,its Spacebarbie instead of SpaceKEN,the one they really love bigtime
I emote the ones who don,t like Emoting :) |
Sozzac
Wolfpacks
4
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Posted - 2012.03.07 16:09:00 -
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[:evil:
well as a oldie in eve and former pew pew player
CCP Crowd Control Production need to wake up and see that there game EVE Online will no live that loong without a fullblown 3d character concept
You advertise your game with Walk in Station movies and been doing it from 2006 most players coming into the game from 2006 Have come into the game with the WiS promise from CCP
Not a cell that CCP call CQ
O top of that selling and advertise NEX a shop where you can buy clothes for real money who no one can see you with
Give US WiS now CCP!
ps so far I havent heard any valid post from ccp why WiS isnt in the game as advertised. Just sadly bad bs
Remember most CSM that you listen to isnt your main income 'hint off' |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1793
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:36:00 -
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Sozzac wrote:CCP Crowd Control Production need to wake up and see that there game EVE Online will no live that loong without a fullblown 3d character concept
lol...you do realize Eve didn't launch last year, right? Eve has done fine without Space Barbie and when CCP tried to go that direction it cost them a large chunk of subscribers and 20% of their employees.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1101
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Posted - 2012.03.07 19:48:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Sozzac wrote:CCP Crowd Control Production need to wake up and see that there game EVE Online will no live that loong without a fullblown 3d character concept lol...you do realize Eve didn't launch last year, right? Eve has done fine without Space Barbie and when CCP tried to go that direction it cost them a large chunk of subscribers and 20% of their employees.
Over extending with too many other resources in unlaunched cash sink games is what cost them 20% of their employees, not ambulation no matter how many times you claim it was ambulation.
And I bet I've been playing Eve longer than you so yes, I know eve wasn't launched yesterday. You know once there were huge companies making things like ice boxes and buggy whips, not so many no, maybe evolving and changing is a GOOD thing.
Issler |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.03.07 21:08:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way
I think that people who want WiS are incredibly patient, provided how we are the guys who got the new broken feature that may take years to fix, if it ever is fixed, and who can't even play with it.
I am aware that CCP has got a gazillion more pressing matters, but it would not be wise at all for us to leave the field to trolls and allow CCP to forget about who they fukked the most and the deeper in june 2011: the people who actually wanted "Incarna".
You owe it to us, dudes. You seriously owe it to us.
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.07 21:15:00 -
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Lol jk no one wanted Incarna.
No one that matters, that is.
No seriously, all you guys who claim to need WiS, wtf do you do when playing Eve? Do laps of the captains quarters? |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
320
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Posted - 2012.03.07 21:22:00 -
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Funny how all my ignored users are from this thread... EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1218
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Posted - 2012.03.07 21:22:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:CCP karkur wrote:wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way I think that people who want WiS are incredibly patient, provided how we are the guys who got the new broken feature that may take years to fix, if it ever is fixed, and who can't even play with it. I am aware that CCP has got a gazillion more pressing matters, but it would not be wise at all for us to leave the field to trolls and allow CCP to forget about who they fukked the most and the deeper in june 2011: the people who actually wanted "Incarna". You owe it to us, dudes. You seriously owe it to us. I think what Karkur was referring to...(I could be wrong, it's all a little confusing) is the people who refuse to accept WiS at all and think everybody needs to work on FiS and only FiS.
I think people like that are self centered and ignorant. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Kukiri
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.03.07 22:57:00 -
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Hi
Time for my monthly post. I appreciate the fact that CCP employees are working overtime to get caught up. They are dedicated and obviously love the game to make that kind of effort and sacrifice.
Their employers, on the other hand, I have an issue with.
As I've said before I was created only because ambulation was announced and I was sold on the idea by the fantastic videos produced by CCP nearly four years ago. Four years. That's a long time to be promised something. I'd like to see some honest statements made about the future of walking in stations. Hiding behind your employee's dedication is not right. Using your employee's to garner sympathy while constantly reducing the size of the team is not right.
Just be up front for a change. Give us some solid information so the people who have been waiting on this can either be let down and get over it, or have something to look forward to. Don't just ignore us and hope we'll go away. That too, is not right. |
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