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Serpensis
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Posted - 2005.12.03 13:43:00 -
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Well, I hate macroers. Why? They are trying to put me out of business, and I have spent 10 months honing my mining-skills.
Why legalize it? Other mmorpgs have all failed to combat macros, why should CCP be any different, and as it looks now, the macros are winning.
Legalize it now, before the entire market crashes, so that the hardcore players have a chance to compete. The risk? The risk is the suicide squads in-game.
My experience from other games is that it is impossible to stop them, and the sale of ISK/items on eBay and such. CCP should open up like Sony did, and legalize the selling of ISK, and the use a macroes, as they obviously are not able/willing to stop it.
This is quite the opposite of my personal opinion, as I hate the macrobasterwards, but right now it seems nothing is being done to stop them, or it is impossible to stop them, and the only ones hurt are those not using macroes.
For those who argue that missions are the way to make money, fine, do not protest then, because this will not affect you, other than your ships being sold a lot cheaper.
-- "Fear accompanies the possibility of death, calm sheperds its certainty." |
Corto Maltese
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Posted - 2005.12.03 13:54:00 -
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Serpensis
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Posted - 2005.12.03 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Corto Maltese No.
Ok, only those who follow the rules suffer. Those who ignore every rule in the EULA wins. Good decision
-- "Fear accompanies the possibility of death, calm sheperds its certainty." |
Toutaku
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Posted - 2005.12.03 14:24:00 -
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Hell NO!!
Even if you allow other players to use macro's without risk, you will still not be able to compete with the mass numbers of isk farmers who will be draining the belts. And if you legalize them, then everyone will be mining 23/7 and when theres no more ore for even the macros to mine, we'll be seeing macro rat killers, complex runners, hell maybe even mission runners(if they manage to code them).
The day macro's are legalized in EVE should be the day EVE Online changes its name to Macro Online. Cuz the whole population will be bots and players will only log in during wars and such.
Me and my friends quit my old MMORPG(Ragnarok Online) because of bots after playing that game since its beta days. If the bots take over here, then its bye bye EVE for us.
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Corto Maltese
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Posted - 2005.12.03 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Serpensis
Originally by: Corto Maltese No.
Ok, only those who follow the rules suffer. Those who ignore every rule in the EULA wins. Good decision
Please go play another game or something. ___________________________________
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Serpensis
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Posted - 2005.12.03 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: Serpensis on 03/12/2005 14:33:08
Originally by: Corto Maltese Please go play another game or something.
That wont stop the macroers, CCP wont stop them, and if I did`nt like this game so much, I probably would. Since proposing to legalize macroes makes you so upset, you might be afraid you will have competition?
Right now EVE favours those using dirty tricks, making the hardcore miners suffer.
-- "Fear accompanies the possibility of death, calm sheperds its certainty." |
RavenL0rd
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Posted - 2005.12.03 15:04:00 -
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Following solutions made by Sony can't be a smart decision
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Aleria Angelis
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Posted - 2005.12.03 15:17:00 -
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You cant just give in to people like this Serpensis, these people dont care about eve theyd do wotever they like just to get some ISK.
Theyre crooks in RL as well as eve and shud be faught! not have there foulplay rewarded by legalisation! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lav ya lots! -Aleria |
Siren Shiva
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Posted - 2005.12.03 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Aleria Angelis Theyre crooks in RL as well as eve
Says who? Proof please?
Mind you, I am as much against macroing as you are, but judging someone's RL personality because of what they do in a game is just silly. About as silly as calling all Eve pirates axe-murderers and robbers in RL.
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Darky24
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Posted - 2005.12.03 15:28:00 -
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NOO WE CANT STOP THEM! ARGGGGHHHH!
Ok Well, Let Them Win.. That Make Sense!
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2005.12.03 15:31:00 -
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No! We must not appease the tehrrists.
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2005.12.03 15:45:00 -
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This is a troll post. "..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, then stand with One thousand sheep.."
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Sapha
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Posted - 2005.12.03 15:50:00 -
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why not just hunt them down in rl, break into their houses and pee on their keyboards...that would stop me...maybe. Makeing something legal doesnt make it ok, it just lets cheaters win. I for one am against letting them beat me. I dont even mine but its the princible of the thing, macros are like exploits - I wouldnt want to be beaten by someone because they cheated it takes away from the fun. Oh God it burns! |
Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2005.12.03 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii This is a troll post.
QFT, just lock this already
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.12.03 16:03:00 -
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go play eq
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2005.12.03 16:03:00 -
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oki lets lock this **** linkLinkage
have a nice day
wierchas noobhunter - carebear from 0.0 |
Aleria Angelis
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Posted - 2005.12.03 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Siren Shiva
Originally by: Aleria Angelis Theyre crooks in RL as well as eve
Says who? Proof please?
Mind you, I am as much against macroing as you are, but judging someone's RL personality because of what they do in a game is just silly. About as silly as calling all Eve pirates axe-murderers and robbers in RL.
That depends where you draw the line between RL and the virtual world, a macro miner selling isk on ebay for real mony is interaction with RL, therefore is breaking realife rules and the EULA agreement.
Therefore is a crook in reali life!
Dont get me wrong im not one of those crazy ceabears who think all player pirates should burn in hell for the sins, in game pirates/theives have nothing at all to do with macroing and i didnt mean to imply that in my last post. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lav ya lots! -Aleria |
Kaaii
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Posted - 2005.12.03 16:19:00 -
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Still going, and going and going.... "..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, then stand with One thousand sheep.."
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Irashi
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Posted - 2005.12.03 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Serpensis CCP should open up like Sony did, and legalize the selling of ISK, and the use a macroes, as they obviously are not able/willing to stop it.
Name a good SoE game... Why do you think SWG players are all coming here? __________________________________________________
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Serpensis
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Posted - 2005.12.03 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Irashi
Originally by: Serpensis CCP should open up like Sony did, and legalize the selling of ISK, and the use a macroes, as they obviously are not able/willing to stop it.
Name a good SoE game... Why do you think SWG players are all coming here?
Mainly because you can now start out as a jedi, which used to take almost a year to become until last patch. The PvP changes on SWG made players leave, not the fact that you can now buy items legally out of game.
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Gonada
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Posted - 2005.12.03 17:21:00 -
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legalizing macro spell the end of any game they become part of. only a idiot would not know this, so i assume the OP is...
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
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Lardarz B'stard
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Posted - 2005.12.03 17:26:00 -
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Take mining out of the game.
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Gericault m0id
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Posted - 2005.12.03 18:45:00 -
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The original poster has a point - CCP doesn't seem to be able to do anything about macros, and even if they're able to spot them, they're definitely not able to do something about farmers.
Wherever there is a demand for isk (i.e. trade for rl cash), there is supply.
So, don't buy isk, tell all your corp buddies not to buy isk - that's the only way to limit macros + farming.
Either way, it doesn't really affect my game-play. /me loves eve.
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Arhab
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Posted - 2005.12.03 18:49:00 -
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Just make everything not require minerals, lets turn EVE into Quake! Wheres the quad damage
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Serpensis
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Posted - 2005.12.03 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada legalizing macro spell the end of any game they become part of. only a idiot would not know this, so i assume the OP is...
Thats rich coming from someone who choose a synonym for genitalia as a nick As I can see, this maturity is reflected in your posts.
And, if you have played the game for more than 5 mins, you would know that macroers are already destroying the game, and those who follow the rules are the ones loosing.
-- "Fear accompanies the possibility of death, calm sheperds its certainty." |
Hellraiza666
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Posted - 2005.12.03 20:29:00 -
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u say macroers are destroying the game... yet you are trying to get more people to use macros???
You sir, are an idiot. --------------------------------------------
In War There Are No Runners Up...
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Serpensis
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Posted - 2005.12.03 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Hellraiza666 u say macroers are destroying the game... yet you are trying to get more people to use macros???
You sir, are an idiot.
If you had read the post, you would see that I argue 1) CCP cant/wont stop them, and 2) the only players suffering from this, are those who play by the rules.
If that is the case, and the macroers cant be stopped, they should allow it. Right now, those profiting from this are the ones who use the macros, and it appears to be the safest profession in EVE atm, as hundreds are petitioned, and none are banned.
The market has crashed on trit and on ice, which makes it hard to make money. What happens? ppl dont care to mine for 23 hours to make 1M, so they buy it on eBay. And yet again, those who dont violate the EULA are the loosers.
If they cant stop it, why should it be illegal? It is taking up a lot of resources at the CCP, resources that could have been used to develop the game. And yet there are more macroers than ever.
And in the end, it is you and me who will loose, while those without regard for EULA will be billionaires over the next few weeks, and will replace the raven they lost in PvP fight in less than 2 secs.
This is not balance, this is disrespectful by the CCP towards paying and playing customers who follow the EULA imho.
-- "Fear accompanies the possibility of death, calm sheperds its certainty." |
Tecam Hund
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Posted - 2005.12.03 20:45:00 -
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This is ridiculous. I personally find it completely low and distasteful to use any other means than ability of your character to make money and become successful in game. I don't care if some idiots prefer the ways of macros and ebay. I don't care if I lose some money because of it. It is still better to have 1-5% of population doing it than haveing everyone running macros. If you are so concerned about your income, try EQ as people suggested. SOE does "awesome" job managing their games. Or you just might use a macro yourself. If nobody gets banned why not?
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Serpensis
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Posted - 2005.12.03 20:57:00 -
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Edited by: Serpensis on 03/12/2005 20:57:22
Originally by: Tecam Hund If nobody gets banned why not?
Because: 1. I play by the rules, and no intention of doing otherwise. 2. I am a miner by trade, and have used 10 months of training to improve my skills.
Telling ppl to play another game is just lame, and off-topic. I like this game, and I want to continue to like it, and play it.
Worried about income? A little bit, yes. If the market on ore drops any lower, how are we supposed to be able to make enough money to buy a battlecruiser, not to mention a battleship? It is all well and fine, but since the market on zyd and mega is stable, players need to make money to be able to buy that ore, and with the current price on trit, you have to mine a lot to make enough to buy the zyd and mega you need to build the ship you need. If this isnt a problem, why are other players wasting megas and making suicide squads to take these ppl out?
But we agree on one thing, it is ridiculous; all the honest players are being s*rewed, while the those who use dirty tricks are becoming the next moguls of EVE, with 1 month playing time, and 10B ISK in their wallets.
-- "Fear accompanies the possibility of death, calm sheperds its certainty." |
Tecam Hund
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Posted - 2005.12.03 21:11:00 -
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Suggestion about another game isn't off topic. If you consider CCP not allowing macros to be incredibly unfair to the point of you not being able to play EvE, then other game might be a good choice. I am not just saying shut up and go play sims online... And btw i own a large barge with all the fancy things that come with it. So we are partially in the same boat.
Secondly if you like EvE and hate macros, how can you like it that way? I would quit the game before using macros.
And finally CCP is making effort to ban macroers. They might not be able to ban them based on petitions, but there are ways of tracking use of 3rd party programs. Maybe not all, but many. There was a topic in EvE news some time ago about lots of accounts being cancelled due to use of macros. Whichever way it was done, it can be done again. From what I understand, information about a person using macros can be shared with other companies who produce and run MMORPGs (from the same news topic), so using macros once can mean problems in the long run.
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