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Xequecal
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.07 22:26:00 -
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EDIT: Nevermind, you were talking about PvE. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2013.07.07 22:33:00 -
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Xequecal wrote:EDIT: Nevermind, you were talking about PvE.
Of course. We have been talking about pve since you fitted that rack of cruises on the geddon from the beginning. It would be insane to swap neuts for cruises for a pvp geddon. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
159
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Posted - 2013.07.08 01:26:00 -
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I'd rather fly something like this myself: [Armageddon, L4] Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer True Sansha Armor EM Hardener True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Cruise Missile Small 'Atonement' Ward Projector Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Garde II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Salvage Drone I x5 Valkyrie II x5 Berserker II x5 Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot II x1
Sold anti-Sansha/Blood tank, good damage variability and projection, and the ability to restore damaged drones to full health, if they don't go into hull. The only real downside is that it doesn't have an eighth high slot, or the available CPU, for me to slap in a second remote shield rep.
sabre906 wrote: Even with 3 omnis that's 52km optimal, and you have no prop and cap booster. Domi's range bonus is what makes it good with Gardes. The new geddon has one useful bonus if you waste neuts. It's good for pvp, but you'll want something else for pve.
The dominix's new bonus is what makes it great with gardes, not "good." It was "good" with them before, and the armageddon is "good" with them now. Also the second bonus on the armageddon works for vampires too which actually can be of some use in PvE. Of course if you're a build like the one I posted you're going to be so CPU-starved that a medium vampire is about all you'll be able to fit without a 5% CPU implant, and that only gets about 18.8km range.
Of course with 52km gardes and cruise missiles you're really looking at mid to long range combat (for missions and in terms of rat spawn distances at least) and most ships that don't spawn closer in than 30km should die before they hit 30km unless you over-aggro and get swamped. As such even if you did fit vampires to make use of the armageddon's second bonus it's no guarantee that you'd be able to really make use of them.
If you really want to use the vampire bonus though... [Armageddon, Armored AC] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Dread Guristas Co-Processor Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II
Core X-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive Gist A-Type X-Large Shield Booster Gist A-Type EM Ward Field Gist A-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L Heavy Nosferatu II Heavy Nosferatu II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Ogre II x5
Not something I'd consider flying myself unless I'm really bored of course, but it'd get the job done. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
294
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Posted - 2013.07.08 04:17:00 -
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Why is everyone acting like you can only carry one flight of sentries? You should have at least two, one long range and one short range.
...and you still have room for mediums, ECs or whatnot.
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Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:36:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Why is everyone acting like you can only carry one flight of sentries? You should have at least two, one long range and one short range.
...and you still have room for mediums, ECs or whatnot.
I don't really see any reason to fit sentry drones other than gardes outside of specialized long-range setups. Gardes can easily hit out to 52km with a zero range of 76km while my characters have "base" control ranges of 57km and 77km with one DLA. Gardes will chew through everything except Angels, and for them I'd rather deploy 5 berserkers once they get in close rather than try to hit them at 30km with bouncers given that bouncers have one third the tracking of gardes.
So.... 125m3 for gardes, 125m3 for berserkers, 25m3 for hobgoblins, 50m3 for valkyries, and that leaves 50-75m3 depending on the ship. Give me 5 salvage drones and the rest in logistics drones and it's all good.
Of course if you're referring to people posting fits like the last one I did it's generally because they don't want to bother with including a full drone bay. They use whatever the "preferred" drone type for that build is and leave it to the reader to insert any other drones they prefer. |
Darling Hassasin
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.08 08:17:00 -
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Its not bad for pve (not uber either) but it is a pvp boat by design.
In pvp it has many options:
- Solo with neuts and cruise missiles or torps (5-2)
-Small gang RR/Neuts
-Fleet (cheapo Bhaalgorn)
and it has the uber tank to be good at all of the above.
IMO dont be bothered about the dps and fit dps mods. Thats not the philoshophy of this vessel... |
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