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RAW23
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Posted - 2013.07.11 12:03:00 -
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Molic Blackbird wrote:
A veteran player of years might have some useful trade information in the API, but even that is unlikely. There just aren't that many secrets in how to make ISK in Eve.
This is what it comes down to. There is no need to mine APIs since a competent trader/industrialist will have a pretty good grasp of all the markets in the game and the various economic opportunities after a few years. The skill in building or trading doesn't come from identifying niches - they are ten a penny - but from exploiting opportunities / interacting with the other players in the market. Bear in mind that the economic activity of most eve players is entirely trivial to any large corp or alliance. An alliance with a passive income of 500bil a month is really not going to be interested in chasing down *any* niches or business plans because effort.
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
RAW23
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Posted - 2013.07.11 12:08:00 -
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Rhodopsin Pserad wrote:Molic Blackbird wrote:The chances of there being any useful financial information in a true newbie character's API is extremely small. The people in the corp are probably making 100's of millions to billions of ISK per day. Your million ISK per day is just too small scale for them to bother with. It is also most likely not very secret. If a few week old character knows about it, a veteran player of years would know about it as well.
A veteran player of years might have some useful trade information in the API, but even that is unlikely. There just aren't that many secrets in how to make ISK in Eve. You're full of nonsense... now, it's not much, but I found a full large Jaspet perimeter deposit just sitting in a high sec system. It stayed for 3 days and nobody touched it but me... picked about 100 mil in ore out of it over the period of three days without a single other person mining there once - not bad for a noob in a retriever. Why I am going to give my locations to some corp if I can find systems nobody checks? If I like the corp, chances are I'd tell them to come pick it clean with me, but I'm not giving it over to recruiters right away...
I don't think you understand what counts as rich in this game. Some of the people you have responded to dismissively in this thread have multiple trillions in their wallets and/or businesses that can generate tens of billions a month for little effort. While there is a chance corps might want to know about the big stuff there is absolutely nothing of value in the APIs of most eve players and the example you just chose is a perfect example of trivial data. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
RAW23
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Posted - 2013.07.11 12:14:00 -
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Rhodopsin Pserad wrote:
I understand peoples' arguments that it's "not of value" to high level corps, obviously it's not. But there are still people out here in high sec who bother to make that 100,000 EMP bullets that only sell for 25 ISK each and take a day to manufacture, so it's not like competetors are non-existent. One has to start somewhere.
But these people are not going to be competent to mine significant data from an API and exploit what they find. There are much better things they can find by opening their market browser and if they fail to succeed in the simple things it is highly unlikely they will succeed in the complex things. For your claim to be taken seriously you need to bring together desire, capability and worthwhile data and you are not managing to do so. Sure, some of us have real trade secrets that would be worth concealing from those with the capability and desire to exploit them but we are pretty few and far between and this does not apply to the unwashed masses of New Eden. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
RAW23
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Posted - 2013.07.11 12:38:00 -
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Rhodopsin Pserad wrote: No, I very much understand what counts as rich in this game. You get rich by dominating the market and manufacturing or indoctrinating people who aren't smart enough to use calculators to sell you ore super cheap, or probably both. Lots of little profit margins add up very quickly. What you're saying is like saying Wal-Mart doesn't make any money by finding out what people buy because they're only selling cheap stuff...
This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the most valuable currency in this game - time. Lots of little profit margins DO NOT add up very quickly but very slowly. Simply having to click my mouse buttons three times and move the cursor across the screen twice is enough to prevent me doing something that would earn 10 million isk if these actions took me away from the complex but routine systems that can earn me 500mil an hour. At least a couple of posters in this thread earn a billion or more isk per day with c. 20 mins work and are capable of earning 2-3bil a day if they were to grind for 4-6 boring and tedious hours. They can earn that day in day out indefinitely. Now, what sort of data are they going to need to mine to make that act worthwhile for them? Fifty different things that bring in ten mil each an hour and that are repeatable and can be done from one location? Or three hundred such things a day? Why go down that hard route when there are billions of golden apples just waiting to be plucked from the trees at leisure? And so far I'm talking about individuals. Think about what it would take to motivate a corp or alliance to either move away from its regular isk making activities or to give up significant amounts of pvp time to grind isk.
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
RAW23
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Posted - 2013.07.11 12:43:00 -
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Also, does someone want to bring MD audits into the conversation or would that just be cruel? There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
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Posted - 2013.07.11 13:27:00 -
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Rhivre wrote:RAW23 wrote:Also, does someone want to bring MD audits into the conversation or would that just be cruel? Raw, that would be very very naughty to do that
You're right. It would be best if no-one mentions that some of the posters in this thread are firm supporters of API min.. errr ... checking when it come to auditing public borrowers. He might think that I ... I mean we ... have some sort of agenda. And for god's sake no-one mention Bobby's connection to the audit fund or we might tip the OP over the edge! There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
RAW23
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Posted - 2013.07.11 15:25:00 -
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Rhodopsin Pserad wrote:
I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm certainly not looking for a loan, but I would expect if I requested one to turn over a financial API in that circumstance, even if they decided to mine that data. That clearly is a sensible use of API financials, however, loans are not an in game feature, or CCP could create contracts for them which would be generally far more secure for everyone involved and, likely, eliminate most need for auditing potential borrowers' API's.
Let me get this straight:
a1) You are willing to give out your financial API to an auditor you donGÇÖt know and whose status as a trustworthy individual is determined by the respect in which they are held by the regular posters on MD.
a2) You wonGÇÖt trust the recruiting officer of a corp you want to join with your financial API, despite opting to associate with that corp and its members voluntarily and the recruiting officer being assigned a trustworthy status by the group you actively wish to join.
b1) You will trust the MD auditor with your financial data despite the fact that they will explicitly be deeply interested in the markets and businesses of eve.
b2) You will not trust the corp recruiter because he might secretly be interested in the markets.
c1) You have rejected the comments of posters in this thread as coming from an untrustworthy cabal who have an interest in perpetuating data-mining from the API.
c2) You will trust an MD auditor whose status is derived in significant part from the fact that they are vouched for by some of the people in this thread whose advice you have rejected.
Do you not see some inconsistency in these positions?
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
RAW23
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Posted - 2013.07.11 15:28:00 -
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Rhivre wrote:
Meeting at 2200 this evening, Bohemian Grove, just behind the owl, bring your best wizards hat and robe.
That's just for the neophytes. The real meeting is at midnight (obviously), inside the owl, and we will all be skyclad.
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
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Posted - 2013.07.11 17:14:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:So the homing pigeons i contracted to you isn't good enough anymore
The Homing Pigeons? No ... the code ... it runs too deep. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
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Posted - 2013.07.11 17:54:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:RAW23 wrote:arabella blood wrote:So the homing pigeons i contracted to you isn't good enough anymore The Homing Pigeons? No ... the code ... it runs too deep. it runs deeper than that... the term skyclad is actually borrowed from a Jainist sect (the Digambara) and Jainism has some very interesting ideas on ontology Sy-üdv-üda wrote: sy-üd-astiGÇöin some ways, it is, sy-üd-n-üstiGÇöin some ways, it is not, sy-üd-asti-n-üstiGÇöin some ways, it is, and it is not, sy-üd-asti-avaktavyaß+ÑGÇöin some ways, it is, and it is indescribable, sy-üd-n-üsti-avaktavyaß+ÑGÇöin some ways, it is not, and it is indescribable, sy-üd-asti-n-üsti-avaktavyaß+ÑGÇöin some ways, it is, it is not, and it is indescribable, sy-üd-avaktavyaß+ÑGÇöin some ways, it is indescribable.
Calling it now. OP is the third apostle of Eris.
PD wrote: SRI SYADASTI SYADAVAKTAVYA SYADASTI SYANNASTI SYADASTI CAVAKTAVYASCA SYADASTI SYANNASTI SYADAVATAVYASCA SYADASTI SYANNASTI SYADAVAKTAVYASCA
Commonly called just SRI SYADASTI. His name is Sanskrit, and means: All affirmations are true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense, false and meaningless in some sense, and true and false and meaningless in some sense. He is an Indian Pundit and Prince, born of the Peyotl Tribe, son of Gentle Chief Sun Flower Seed and the squaw Merry Jane. Patron to psychedelic type Discordians. Patron of the Season of Confusion.
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
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RAW23
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Posted - 2013.07.11 20:58:00 -
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Rhodopsin Pserad wrote: Why on earth would I create a second account because corps are cheating to exploit the market?
Because reality, options and success.
If you allow your actions to be constrained by the (potential) nefarious behaviour of others you become a victim of their actions (or your imagined version of their actions). Being a victim is losing at eve.
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
RAW23
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Posted - 2013.07.11 21:12:00 -
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Rhodopsin Pserad wrote:
But, in all seriousness, games where alliance leaders literally try to kill, with full intent, other players through psychological harassment - probably not very long term for me.
Nor me. That's not what 'literally' happened in eve but if you happen to find such a game be sure to warn me about it.
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
RAW23
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:11:00 -
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Somewhere in between the Spheres of Confusion and Bureaucracy lie the EvE API miners. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
RAW23
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:30:00 -
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That's a lovely chart. What's the original source? There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
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Posted - 2013.07.13 09:32:00 -
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The fact that this thread is still alive is a testament to how quiet MD has become recently. Sadly, this is the most entertaining thread there has been for weeks. It has to be said, though, that whether troll or not the OP is good value. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
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Posted - 2013.07.16 17:07:00 -
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SencneS wrote: Probably Ray seeing if all of a sudden I get billions deposited into my account from some unknown source...
For some reason I imagined Ray was South African. Perhaps it was something to do with his contempt for large sections of humanity. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
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