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Mycael
Biohazard.
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Posted - 2013.07.10 06:35:00 -
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xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Elizabeth Aideron wrote:why did you have your safety off while mission running anyway? my safety was on until i seen the person looting and as far as i knew you had to change it to attack anywhere so i did and of course the person had help from the police before yea i was in the wrong because i spend a few hours on this one long mission and sure enough here's someone savaging wrecks so like any other game why shouldn't i be able to fire on them? So i shot them and concord saves the day! but im in the wrong i forgot... its a profession but its the same thing as looting someones can but w/e
This post and the original only shows how clueless you are about the game. You f'd up.
Edit: And move away from highsec. Problem solved. |
Roxxo I'doCocaine
SlammaJammaBamma
30
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Posted - 2013.07.10 07:04:00 -
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xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:...as far as i knew...
The problem seems to revolve around the short length of the above stated measurement.
OP tried to apply his WOW knowledge to EvE, resulting in the loss of his ships and now desperately seeks validation from other players to sooth his bruised ego. All of you heartless C&P denizens are instead refusing to cooperate, taking the opportunity to troll the OP with facts and policy statements gleaned from this painfully old debate.
If it helps you feel any better about it OP, I can tell you that once upon a time it was easy to get other carebears to jump on the "salvaging is broken" bandwagon. You would have had several supporting replies by now. However, this argument has been made and refuted so many times by now that your entire thread is a cliche'. The bottom line is that CCP has already heard all sides of this, and in response to your concerns has graced us with the Noctis to combat ninjas. With its ridiculous tractor-beam range and salvaging speed, it really makes it almost impossible to salvage the missions of those who actually care. As far as "difficult to swallow" mechanics go, I have yet to read a rational explanation for why tractor beams won't work on yellow wrecks. |
Lavitias Arjar
Vicis Inter Astrum
1
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Posted - 2013.07.10 07:18:00 -
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*dons tinfoil hat*
The creatures living in the tractor beams are to scared to touch yellow colored stuff. |
Froggy Storm
Paxton Industries
Gentlemen's Agreement
70
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Posted - 2013.07.10 07:20:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:oh hi there future war target.
Oh Mr. Kane you always make me laugh and my coworkers look at me oddly.
OP,
If you haven't left by now please allow me to try to explain why you are getting so much attention from this forum. Once upon a time there was no safety switch. The aggression mechanics were often obscure to new players and the predators actively tried to mislead you into violating them. As such, the groaning and bashing of teeth over adding this safety switch was pretty loud.
In your case, you voluntarily chose to over ride a mechanic that was put in place to protect you from making a 850m mistake. And then having done so come and cry foul. The mechanic exists to keep you from breaking the law. Much the same way a speed limiter does on a car.
Believe me when I say that this was strictly your own fault. Learn from the mistake. It is all you can do.
And remember no matter how hard you believe a thing doesn't make it so. You can not shoot the guy who cuts you off in traffic no matter if you think he deserves it. |
Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development
Omnium Libertatem
169
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Posted - 2013.07.10 08:43:00 -
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xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:So....
...Has anyone done a mission and have that person come along and start taking your savage? yea that happened to me and i shot the person because...
... the person had a killright against me and opened it to everyone and caused me to lose a Navy Apoc and fits which was about 850million... That was a bad choice on your part.
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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
252
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Posted - 2013.07.10 08:45:00 -
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xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Because of this rule the person had a killright against me and opened it to everyone and caused me to lose a Navy Apoc
Let me get this right. You seem to be saying that the act of him salvaging your wrecks caused him to get kill rights against you....
Or did that happen when you blew up his ship?
See the difference?
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3607
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Posted - 2013.07.10 08:50:00 -
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Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:So....
...Has anyone done a mission and have that person come along and start taking your savage? yea that happened to me and i shot the person because...
... the person had a killright against me and opened it to everyone and caused me to lose a Navy Apoc and fits which was about 850million... That was a bad choice on your part. "It Burrns When I PvP" 850M lost to protect some crappy salvage? That would burn.
I believe he also lost the Machariel (or whatever) that he shot the innocent salvager with.
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Mike Adoulin
Trans-Aerospace Industries
258
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Posted - 2013.07.10 08:53:00 -
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xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:So.... *rabblerabblerabbleRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEErabblerabblerabble
You lose.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9977
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Posted - 2013.07.10 09:01:00 -
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Froggy Storm wrote:
And remember no matter how hard you believe a thing doesn't make it so. You can not shoot the guy who cuts you off in traffic no matter if you think he deserves it.
Actually you can, you just have to live with being Bubba's lady friend for the length of your prison sentence.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
Hadewijch
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.07.10 09:58:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:
I believe he also lost the Machariel (or whatever) that he shot the innocent salvager with.
Not a Machariel. After raging in local for half an hour, using words that a lady as me is ashamed to even think of, he opened fire with T1 fit Coercer. He got me to 98% shields before brave Concord arrived to my rescue. That's where the kill right came from.
He had two corpmates with him. They decided to yellow-box me to death while their boss was melting away.
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3607
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:04:00 -
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Hadewijch wrote:RubyPorto wrote:
I believe he also lost the Machariel (or whatever) that he shot the innocent salvager with.
Not a Machariel. After raging in local for half an hour, using words that a lady as me is ashamed to even think of, he opened fire with T1 fit Coercer. He got me to 98% shields before brave Concord arrived to my rescue. That's where the kill right came from. He had two corpmates with him. They decided to yellow-box me to death while their boss was melting away.
The dreaded yellow box of doom.
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9996
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:18:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Hadewijch wrote:RubyPorto wrote:
I believe he also lost the Machariel (or whatever) that he shot the innocent salvager with.
Not a Machariel. After raging in local for half an hour, using words that a lady as me is ashamed to even think of, he opened fire with T1 fit Coercer. He got me to 98% shields before brave Concord arrived to my rescue. That's where the kill right came from. He had two corpmates with him. They decided to yellow-box me to death while their boss was melting away. The dreaded yellow box of doom.
Colloquially known as the carebear stare
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3608
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:41:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Colloquially known as the carebear stare
Got you to 10k for that.
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10001
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:44:00 -
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Ty Ruby, much appreciated 
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP
Mass Overload
329
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Posted - 2013.07.10 11:12:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:oh hi there future war target.
I read that with Herbert the Pervert voice in my head |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
79
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Posted - 2013.07.10 11:38:00 -
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OP, one day I was doing missions and some guy came into my mission and started salvaging, when I do missions I tend to salvage after, anyway I went in and as I was tractoring wrecks he salvaged them. I was a bit annoyed, so I left him too it and did another mission, but I blow up each wreck, so after a while he comes in and sees no wrecks and me blowing up a ship and then the wreck and he decides to go elsewhere. No loss to Concord and no thread that makes you a target. Don't get mad, ruin it for them...
If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space, its as simple as that!-á-á-á-á-á-á-á There are people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local, well they should light a cyno and try jumping to it. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
681
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Posted - 2013.07.10 12:09:00 -
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Hahahaha....
Oh my, thanks for the entertainment.
OP, you really need to learn the rules of the game.... stop flying PLEXed ships to Mission in..... and really really stop posting your tears in C&P (Nobody here is going to support you).
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Blue Absinthe
Fur Industries
12
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Posted - 2013.07.10 12:39:00 -
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You're in a PvP corp and you're complaining about salvage....... about salvage!? |
Nolan David
Mandalorian Forge
5
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Posted - 2013.07.10 12:51:00 -
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Say all you want about the spelling and grammar... the people who have replied with, "that's not how it is though" are being as ridiculous.
He knows that's not how it is. He is suggesting it should be changed to be that way. I know his posts are hard to follow but I thought that was quite easy to pick up on, lol. |
Zappity
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
169
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:09:00 -
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xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:The target the wreck and hit it with their savager
Wow. Quite a read but this bit caught my eye. I have to get me one of them! How much DPS does a savager do? Sounds awesome.
As for the rest of the rant, working as intended. Salvaging, even ninja salvaging, is deliberately allowed as a noob profession.
Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
435
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:59:00 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:oh hi there future war target.
I read that with Herbert the Pervert voice in my head
People who make threads like this and those who get angsty about scams achieve nothing other than bringing attention upon themselves and their corps.
Its like sheep telling wolves that dinner is ready to be served.
GÖÑ Rain6636 |
Kimo Khan
Novum Matutinus
115
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:41:00 -
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xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Elizabeth Aideron wrote:why did you have your safety off while mission running anyway? my safety was on until i seen the person looting and as far as i knew you had to change it to attack anywhere so i did and of course the person had help from the police before yea i was in the wrong because i spend a few hours on this one long mission and sure enough here's someone savaging wrecks so like any other game why shouldn't i be able to fire on them? So i shot them and concord saves the day! but im in the wrong i forgot... its a profession but its the same thing as looting someones can but w/e
If you have the right to shoot someone without consequences you do not have to turn your safety off. Never go saftey red in high sec unless you WANT to get concorded.
If they steal your loot (not wreck) you may shoot freely with safety green. You may even take back your loot after you kill them with safety green.
Wrecks are unowned and will never cause a criminal or suspect timer, only loot in the wreck is owned. |
Shiera Kuni
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Circle-Of-Two
28
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:23:00 -
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CONCORDOKKEN! |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
2262
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:39:00 -
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This thread gave made me smile... thank you! |
El Zeta
Eve Fail Corp
0
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:40:00 -
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xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Elizabeth Aideron wrote:why did you have your safety off while mission running anyway? my safety was on until i seen the person looting and as far as i knew you had to change it to attack anywhere so i did and of course the person had help from the police before yea i was in the wrong because i spend a few hours on this one long mission and sure enough here's someone savaging wrecks so like any other game why shouldn't i be able to fire on them? So i shot them and concord saves the day! but im in the wrong i forgot... its a profession but its the same thing as looting someones can but w/e
Navy Apoc and fits which was about 850million ? then spent a few hours doing the mission? 
you must be doing something terribly wrong to spend that much time with an 800+ mil ship.
anyways loose 3+ bil more doing stupid things and ill invite you to join my corp, we got salvaging ships to save your wrecks from unwanted mision trolls.
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Milan Nantucket
New Eden Misfits
72
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Posted - 2013.07.10 17:00:00 -
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Quote:
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if any Dev wants to try and tell me otherwise please explain in detail now the wrecks can't be considered a looted item
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First I developed this software once that made taking a home inventory and since you said any dev here it goes:
First I used a good 'ol friend google and bolded the important parts:
loot
/lo-Pot/
Noun
Goods, esp. private property, taken from an enemy in war.
Verb
Steal goods from (a place), typically during a war or riot: "rioters were looting shops".
Synonyms
noun. plunder - spoil - booty - prey - pillage - swag - quarry
verb. plunder - rob - pillage - sack - despoil - maraud - harry
now salvage:
salvaging present participle of sal-+vage (Verb)
Verb
1. Rescue (a wrecked or disabled ship or its cargo) from loss at sea.
2 Retrieve or preserve (something) from potential loss or adverse circumstances.
I also bolded the important part.
and here:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/salvage
So looting is what makes people suspect hence "illegal"
Salvaging is not.
So basically what all this means is if you want salvage from sploded ships then salvage them before anyone else does. |
Shiera Kuni
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Circle-Of-Two
28
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Posted - 2013.07.10 17:10:00 -
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To be fair, ship salvaging in international waters is actually the same way, whoever lays claim to the boat first, wins. Now, that said, what if the four empires automatically laid claim to any salvage found in their backyards, eh? After all, unless you're in low/null, you're technically in 'nationally' claimed space  |
Plastic Psycho
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2013.07.10 17:18:00 -
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Kimo Khan wrote:
If you have the right to shoot someone without consequences you do not have to turn your safety off. Never go saftey red in high sec unless you WANT to get concorded.
Pretty much this. ^^
Mind you, I don't *want* to get Concordokken - it's just an Inevitable consequence.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
750
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Posted - 2013.07.10 17:47:00 -
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xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:So.... Has anyone done a mission and have that person come along and start taking your savage? yea that happened to me and i shot the person because it IS THE SAME AS TAKING LOOT FROM THE CONTAINERS and theres no way to say its not because they are marked when the persons name when they are destroyed, this rule needs to be updated to the same as the Looting rule you take it you get the right to shot them without concord or someone getting killrights period.... When we are doing missions and fighting and playing YOUR! game we should be able to defend what we work for not be punished for doing so. Most might think im just pissed  over nothing but its just how it needs to be, if any Dev wants to try and tell me otherwise please explain in detail now the wrecks can't be considered a looted item, The target the wreck and hit it with their savager and loot the contents into there cargo, its the same as someone coming along and looting a container... they target the container, they goto it and move the items out of the container and into their cargo hold. See my point ? Because of this rule the person had a killright against me and opened it to everyone and caused me to lose a Navy Apoc and fits which was about 850million and i know most of you out there buy plex and whatever but some ppl actually enjoy the game and work for there ingame credits like missions... mining whatever right? I think this is a bug and needs to be addressed and anyone being killed from the punishments from it should regain what they losted if they was in the right. Who else agrees they should change this to the same as if someone looted your cantainer ?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
"Also, your boobs  " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
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Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP
Mass Overload
332
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Posted - 2013.07.10 18:58:00 -
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Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:oh hi there future war target.
I read that with Herbert the Pervert voice in my head People who make threads like this and those who get angsty about scams achieve nothing other than bringing attention upon themselves and their corps. Its like sheep telling wolves that dinner is ready to be served.
So, you are saying that I should stop posting, dock up and quit corp? |
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