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xxdeathxx thebeaver
It Burrns When I PvP
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:09:00 -
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So....
Has anyone done a mission and have that person come along and start taking your savage? yea that happened to me and i shot the person because it IS THE SAME AS TAKING LOOT FROM THE CONTAINERS and theres no way to say its not because they are marked when the persons name when they are destroyed, this rule needs to be updated to the same as the Looting rule you take it you get the right to shot them without concord or someone getting killrights period.... When we are doing missions and fighting and playing YOUR! game we should be able to defend what we work for not be punished for doing so.
Most might think im just pissed over nothing but its just how it needs to be, if any Dev wants to try and tell me otherwise please explain in detail now the wrecks can't be considered a looted item, The target the wreck and hit it with their savager and loot the contents into there cargo, its the same as someone coming along and looting a container... they target the container, they goto it and move the items out of the container and into their cargo hold. See my point ?
Because of this rule the person had a killright against me and opened it to everyone and caused me to lose a Navy Apoc and fits which was about 850million and i know most of you out there buy plex and whatever but some ppl actually enjoy the game and work for there ingame credits like missions... mining whatever right?
I think this is a bug and needs to be addressed and anyone being killed from the punishments from it should regain what they losted if they was in the right.
Who else agrees they should change this to the same as if someone looted your cantainer ? |
Vanya Virpio
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:12:00 -
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I too enjoy battling the forces of concord. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9951
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:13:00 -
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Per CCP Mitnal:CCP Mitnal wrote:"Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing." Per GM Faolchu : GM Faolchu wrote:Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage. Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up. Per Senior GM Ytterbium : GM Ytterbium wrote:Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit. Per CCP Prism X : CCP Prism X wrote:Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing. Per CCP Incognito : CCP Incognito wrote:Had a chat with some designers this evening. Ninja salvaging is intended game play. It was always intended that the wrecks are public, the loot is private. They do not see it as a problem if others salvage your wrecks. (These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.)
In short, the salvage isn't yours until you actually salvage it. (The links actually go to the old forums and no longer work, but the quotes are actual GM quotes)
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
Donovan Draknevov
Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:15:00 -
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*rings the dinner bell* Tears on, everyone! Trust in the Rust |
Scarlett LaBlanc
Midnight Savran Industries
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:17:00 -
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Miners have same thoughts about the whole "can flipping" thing.
It's a basic game mechanic. It's not a bug and there is no way CCP will change it. EVE is designed to allow people to ruin your day if you let them.
You let them and they ruined your day. Now that you understand the mechanic you can adjust your play style. |
xxdeathxx thebeaver
It Burrns When I PvP
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:17:00 -
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Donovan Draknevov wrote:*rings the dinner bell* Tears on, everyone!
its not tears its a problem with the mechs in the game and it needs to be corrected simple as that. |
xxdeathxx thebeaver
It Burrns When I PvP
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:18:00 -
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Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:Miners have same thoughts about the whole "can flipping" thing.
It's a basic game mechanic. It's not a bug and there is no way CCP will change it. EVE is designed to allow people to ruin your day if you let them.
You let them and they ruined your day. Now that you understand the mechanic you can adjust your play style.
Well than we should be allowed to take cans without getting introuble right ? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9951
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:19:00 -
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xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Donovan Draknevov wrote:*rings the dinner bell* Tears on, everyone! its not tears its a problem with the mechs in the game and it needs to be corrected simple as that. Nope working as intended, salvaging is a recognised profession and any amount of hurfblurf on your part isn't going to change it.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
Scarlett LaBlanc
Midnight Savran Industries
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:20:00 -
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xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:Miners have same thoughts about the whole "can flipping" thing.
It's a basic game mechanic. It's not a bug and there is no way CCP will change it. EVE is designed to allow people to ruin your day if you let them.
You let them and they ruined your day. Now that you understand the mechanic you can adjust your play style. Well than we should be allowed to take cans without getting introuble right ?
You CAN flip cans without getting "in trouble". CONCORD will not care. It does give the person who owns the can the ability to fire on you (not that it does a miner any good).
The difference is that you OWN the can, NOT the wreck |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
187
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:21:00 -
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Sorry to hear CONCORD savaged your ship. On the up-side, the nasty pirate probably got to salvage your wreck, so not all is lost.
edit: almost forgot!
this. |
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xxdeathxx thebeaver
It Burrns When I PvP
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:21:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Donovan Draknevov wrote:*rings the dinner bell* Tears on, everyone! its not tears its a problem with the mechs in the game and it needs to be corrected simple as that. Nope working as intended, salvaging is a recognised profession and any amount of hurfblurf on your part isn't going to change it.
but its ok for ppl to just walk in and take stuff but if i take some loot out of a can that makes me flagged and thats a fair mech than right ? lol do you even understand what im saying at all |
Donovan Draknevov
Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
3
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:22:00 -
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xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:Miners have same thoughts about the whole "can flipping" thing.
It's a basic game mechanic. It's not a bug and there is no way CCP will change it. EVE is designed to allow people to ruin your day if you let them.
You let them and they ruined your day. Now that you understand the mechanic you can adjust your play style. Well than we should be allowed to take cans without getting introuble right ?
The difference being there is a random chance with salvaging that you will get anything, whereas there is a definite chance of a can having items that are instantly stealable. Next time fly with some salvage drones, and go after whatever he goes after. At full skill, you have 5/1 chances of getting something before he does. Other items can increase that. Trust in the Rust |
xxdeathxx thebeaver
It Burrns When I PvP
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:23:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:Sorry to hear CONCORD savaged your ship. On the up-side, the nasty pirate probably got to salvage your wreck, so not all is lost.
i didnt say concord savaged my wreck, i said someone else was and i attacked them just the same as if you looted a container... im sorry i havent played this game for more than 3 months so lol its like saying Piracy is a profession than so i can go around and steal loot outta cans right ? |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
187
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:24:00 -
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ooh, also this. |
xxdeathxx thebeaver
It Burrns When I PvP
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:25:00 -
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Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:Miners have same thoughts about the whole "can flipping" thing.
It's a basic game mechanic. It's not a bug and there is no way CCP will change it. EVE is designed to allow people to ruin your day if you let them.
You let them and they ruined your day. Now that you understand the mechanic you can adjust your play style. Well than we should be allowed to take cans without getting introuble right ? You CAN flip cans without getting "in trouble". CONCORD will not care. It does give the person who owns the can the ability to fire on you (not that it does a miner any good). The difference is that you OWN the can, NOT the wreck
well same thing we should have the ability to fire on the person savaging our wrecks right ?
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
187
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:25:00 -
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xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Sorry to hear CONCORD savaged your ship. On the up-side, the nasty pirate probably got to salvage your wreck, so not all is lost. i didnt say concord savaged my wreck, i said someone else was and i attacked them just the same as if you looted a container... im sorry i havent played this game for more than 3 months so lol its like saying Piracy is a profession than so i can go around and steal loot outta cans right ?
just read the damn flow chart, and notice how I put in bold two completely different words
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xxdeathxx thebeaver
It Burrns When I PvP
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:28:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Sorry to hear CONCORD savaged your ship. On the up-side, the nasty pirate probably got to salvage your wreck, so not all is lost. i didnt say concord savaged my wreck, i said someone else was and i attacked them just the same as if you looted a container... im sorry i havent played this game for more than 3 months so lol its like saying Piracy is a profession than so i can go around and steal loot outta cans right ? just read the damn flow chart, and notice how I put in bold two completely different words
i could give a damn about your flowchart dude, this mech as you all call it a Profession needs to either be unable to do so without being fired on or just follow the same rules as a looted container. |
Scarlett LaBlanc
Midnight Savran Industries
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:30:00 -
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xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:Miners have same thoughts about the whole "can flipping" thing.
It's a basic game mechanic. It's not a bug and there is no way CCP will change it. EVE is designed to allow people to ruin your day if you let them.
You let them and they ruined your day. Now that you understand the mechanic you can adjust your play style. Well than we should be allowed to take cans without getting introuble right ? You CAN flip cans without getting "in trouble". CONCORD will not care. It does give the person who owns the can the ability to fire on you (not that it does a miner any good). The difference is that you OWN the can, NOT the wreck well same thing we should have the ability to fire on the person savaging our wrecks right ?
It's NOT the same thing. I know you WANT it to be, but it is not. I understand that you want the wreck to belong to you, in the same way that a can does. However, the wreck does NOT belong to you. No matter how much you want it to, that will not change. It is a game mechanic that CCP has publicly supported over and over (see the above quotes).
I understand your pissed. You lost an expensive ship. That loss was rooted in not understanding the mechanic, its a hard way to learn something, but learn you did. |
Donovan Draknevov
Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
4
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:31:00 -
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xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Sorry to hear CONCORD savaged your ship. On the up-side, the nasty pirate probably got to salvage your wreck, so not all is lost. i didnt say concord savaged my wreck, i said someone else was and i attacked them just the same as if you looted a container... im sorry i havent played this game for more than 3 months so lol its like saying Piracy is a profession than so i can go around and steal loot outta cans right ? just read the damn flow chart, and notice how I put in bold two completely different words i could give a damn about your flowchart dude, this mech as you all call it a Profession needs to either be unable to do so without being fired on or just follow the same rules as a looted container.
All that's missing from this post is "If CCP doesn't fix this I'm leaving Eve forevar!!!"
The game has been set up this way. You are not the first person to say this should change. The Devs have stated it will not change because it is a game mechanic and not a bug/glitch/exploit. You have nothing. You lose. Good day sir. Trust in the Rust |
Elizabeth Aideron
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:31:00 -
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why did you have your safety off while mission running anyway? |
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Scarlett LaBlanc
Midnight Savran Industries
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:33:00 -
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Elizabeth Aideron wrote:why did you have your safety off while mission running anyway?
that is an excellent question. |
xxdeathxx thebeaver
It Burrns When I PvP
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:36:00 -
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Elizabeth Aideron wrote:why did you have your safety off while mission running anyway?
my safety was on until i seen the person looting and as far as i knew you had to change it to attack anywhere so i did and of course the person had help from the police before yea i was in the wrong because i spend a few hours on this one long mission and sure enough here's someone savaging wrecks so like any other game why shouldn't i be able to fire on them? So i shot them and concord saves the day! but im in the wrong i forgot... its a profession but its the same thing as looting someones can but w/e |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
191
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:38:00 -
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xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:its not tears its a problem with the mechs in the game and it needs to be corrected simple as that.
Yes, right now you are crying tears on the forum. Nothing 'needs to be corrected' about salvaging, it works exactly as intended. Kinda like your arrogant entitlement working to make people hate you.
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote: im sorry i havent played this game for more than 3 months so lol its like saying Piracy is a profession than so i can go around and steal loot outta cans right ?
So you're saying you have had one experience to derive an informed opinion from. Yes, Piracy is a profession, and yes, you can steal from loot cans. Do you even know what game you are playing?
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:this mech as you all call it a Profession needs to ......
Your posting, or as anyone would call it Steaming Shitpile needs to leave. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9953
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:39:00 -
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xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Donovan Draknevov wrote:*rings the dinner bell* Tears on, everyone! its not tears its a problem with the mechs in the game and it needs to be corrected simple as that. Nope working as intended, salvaging is a recognised profession and any amount of hurfblurf on your part isn't going to change it. but its ok for ppl to just walk in and take stuff but if i take some loot out of a can that makes me flagged and thats a fair mech than right ? lol do you even understand what im saying at all Yes I understand what you're saying, I have no problems with reading comprehension.
I'll make this simple: Salvage is not yours until it's in your cargo hold, so anybody can take it without being flagged, for all intents and purpose the game treats salvage as junk. Loot belongs to you, and can't be taken by another without incurring a suspect flag, at which time you can shoot them without Concord interference, at your own risk.
Btw you've probably just painted a massive target on your back for the people that enjoy baiting folks like yourself into shooting at a worthless ship, and then coming back in a PvP ship to forcibly remove yours from existence.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
xxdeathxx thebeaver
It Burrns When I PvP
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:41:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:its not tears its a problem with the mechs in the game and it needs to be corrected simple as that. Yes, right now you are crying tears on the forum. Nothing 'needs to be corrected' about salvaging, it works exactly as intended. Kinda like your arrogant entitlement working to make people hate you. xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote: im sorry i havent played this game for more than 3 months so lol its like saying Piracy is a profession than so i can go around and steal loot outta cans right ? So you're saying you have had one experience to derive an informed opinion from. Yes, Piracy is a profession, and yes, you can steal from loot cans. Do you even know what game you are playing? xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:this mech as you all call it a Profession needs to ...... Your posting, or as anyone would call it Steaming Shitpile needs to leave.
well dont you just sound cool... sound more like a complete idiot trying to act all tough with his words lmao |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
191
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:42:00 -
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xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:its not tears its a problem with the mechs in the game and it needs to be corrected simple as that. Yes, right now you are crying tears on the forum. Nothing 'needs to be corrected' about salvaging, it works exactly as intended. Kinda like your arrogant entitlement working to make people hate you. xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote: im sorry i havent played this game for more than 3 months so lol its like saying Piracy is a profession than so i can go around and steal loot outta cans right ? So you're saying you have had one experience to derive an informed opinion from. Yes, Piracy is a profession, and yes, you can steal from loot cans. Do you even know what game you are playing? xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:this mech as you all call it a Profession needs to ...... Your posting, or as anyone would call it Steaming Shitpile needs to leave. well dont you just sound cool... sound more like a complete idiot trying to act all tough with his words lmao
First thing you've said that makes sense so far. I liked the post, welcome to EvE!
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1989
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:43:00 -
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Whenever someone enters my mission deadspace, I abandon all wrecks and containers.
They obviously need the help.
One young ninja brought tears to my eyes, salvaging without drones, or prop mod, or tractor beam. He was so determined going between distant wrecks. It was heart wrenching to watch. I sent him 50 million ISK. |
xxdeathxx thebeaver
It Burrns When I PvP
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:44:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Donovan Draknevov wrote:*rings the dinner bell* Tears on, everyone! its not tears its a problem with the mechs in the game and it needs to be corrected simple as that. Nope working as intended, salvaging is a recognised profession and any amount of hurfblurf on your part isn't going to change it. but its ok for ppl to just walk in and take stuff but if i take some loot out of a can that makes me flagged and thats a fair mech than right ? lol do you even understand what im saying at all Yes I understand what you're saying, I have no problems with reading comprehension. I'll make this simple: Salvage is not yours until it's in your cargo hold so anybody can take it without being flagged, for all intents and purpose the game treats salvage as junk. Loot belongs to you, and can't be taken by another without incurring a suspect flag, at which time you can shoot them, at your own risk. Btw you've probably just painted a massive target on your back for the people that enjoy baiting folks like yourself into shooting at a worthless ship, and then coming back in a PvP ship to forcibly remove yours from existence.
but when you loot something, lol its the same thing as if you would take the loot from the savaged ship and put it into your cargo... you guys are trying to justify something that you all know is a bullshit mech and no its not tears its me pissed that a mech works for ppl that use the mechs to get easy ingame credits and steal and the other guy gets punished with either losing the loot from the savage or losing a ship from acting upon the person. |
Donovan Draknevov
Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
4
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:48:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Whenever someone enters my mission deadspace, I abandon all wrecks and containers.
They obviously need the help.
One young ninja brought tears to my eyes, salvaging without drones, or prop mod, or tractor beam. He was so determined going between distant wrecks. It was heart wrenching to watch. I sent him 50 million ISK.
Now that's a kind thing to do. Hats off to you sir. Trust in the Rust |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
191
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:50:00 -
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xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:but when you loot something, lol its the same thing as if you would take the loot from the savaged ship and put it into your cargo... you guys are trying to justify something that you all know is a bullshit mech and no its not tears its me pissed that a mech works for ppl that use the mechs to get easy ingame credits and steal and the other guy gets punished with either losing the loot from the savage or losing a ship from acting upon the person.
You really had me hoping there when you told me off, but now?
*yawn* broken record
HTFU |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9953
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:51:00 -
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Salvage is not loot, a wreck with loot in has a different icon from that of a wreck without, you can get salvage from both.
It's not hard to understand, although from looking at your bio you've come here from other MMOs so you may have some difficulty.
I'll give you some free advice, forget everything you've learnt in all the other MMOs, with the possible exception of Ultima Online pre trammel, because Eve is not like all the other MMOs, it doesn't pamper you, it doesn't make things easy, and if you have a cookie it will steal it from you, and then laugh at you for bringing one in the first place.
dammit beaten to the punch on permaband <3 CCP Guard
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
xxdeathxx thebeaver
It Burrns When I PvP
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:01:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Salvage is not loot, a wreck with loot in has a different icon from that of a wreck without, you can get salvage from both.
It's not hard to understand, although from looking at your bio you've come here from other MMOs so you may have some difficulty.
I'll give you some free advice, forget everything you've learnt in all the other MMOs, with the possible exception of Ultima Online pre trammel, because Eve is not like all the other MMOs, it doesn't pamper you, it doesn't make things easy, and if you have a cookie it will steal it from you, and then laugh at you for bringing one in the first place.
dammit beaten to the punch on permaband <3 CCP Guard
yea ok savage isn't loot but yet, it goes into your cargo just the same as the contents inside a container... im done arguing because facts are facts aside from any bs mech. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9954
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:03:00 -
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It goes into my cargo if I beat you to it, it then becomes mine and not a piece of space junk causing a navigation hazard.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
xxdeathxx thebeaver
It Burrns When I PvP
1
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:08:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:It goes into my cargo if I beat you to it, it then becomes mine and not a piece of space junk causing a navigation hazard.
than i should be able to attack you without any problems simple as that, im not saying you can't but it should ignore all rules that apply such as killrights and concord. |
Donovan Draknevov
Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
4
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:11:00 -
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xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Salvage is not loot, a wreck with loot in has a different icon from that of a wreck without, you can get salvage from both.
It's not hard to understand, although from looking at your bio you've come here from other MMOs so you may have some difficulty.
I'll give you some free advice, forget everything you've learnt in all the other MMOs, with the possible exception of Ultima Online pre trammel, because Eve is not like all the other MMOs, it doesn't pamper you, it doesn't make things easy, and if you have a cookie it will steal it from you, and then laugh at you for bringing one in the first place.
dammit beaten to the punch on permaband <3 CCP Guard yea ok savage isn't loot but yet, it goes into your cargo just the same as the contents inside a container... im done arguing because facts are facts aside from any bs mech.
Like Jonah said, forget any other MMOs' mechanics. The only similar thing I can think of to this would be World of Warcraft's skinning. After you kill something, anyone can skin it. After you kill anything in Eve, anyone can salvage it. The difference is that in Eve you can do something to stop the salvaging by salvaging it faster than the guy trying to ninja your stuff, whereas in WoW you're outta luck.
Like you said. Facts are facts. You need to realize that unlike any other MMO, piracy and things that would be considered illegal are allowed and even promoted. He honestly could have stolen from your cans too. At which point you would have been able to legally fire upon him without consequence. However, unless he's solo-ninja-salvaging, most likely the second you opened fire his buddies would warp in and make you a molten pile of slag in seconds. Trust in the Rust |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9954
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:12:00 -
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xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:It goes into my cargo if I beat you to it, it then becomes mine and not a piece of space junk causing a navigation hazard.
than i should be able to attack you without any problems simple as that, im not saying you can't but it should ignore all rules that apply such as killrights and concord.
Why? Salvage is not yours until it's in your possession, it's been like that for at least the last 4 years, don't like it? raise a petition and get the same answer from CCP that you've already been given by us.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
xxdeathxx thebeaver
It Burrns When I PvP
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:15:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:It goes into my cargo if I beat you to it, it then becomes mine and not a piece of space junk causing a navigation hazard.
CCP Gamesmasters and Devs categorically state, and have done on numerous occasions, that salvaging another persons wreck is not a flaggable action, now that is a fact which can't be disputed. You're not the first to complain about it, and you won't be the last, and nothing you say or do will change the fact that salvage belongs to the person who gets it into their cargo hold first.
Call it a bullshit mechanic all you like, your opinion on this doesn't matter one iota to CCP, it's their game, their mechanics, their rules.
Well it needs to be disputed because its bullshit anyone with a brain can see that, i mean they are the dev to this game they aren't stupid, myself and many others that i spoken to see my point other than a selective few like yourself which most likely... like this rule because it protects your ass from getting killed while you take peoples ****, but whatever you can tell me its right all day but anyone like i said with a brain will see my point and why it should atless have the edits to take out concord/killrights atless |
xxdeathxx thebeaver
It Burrns When I PvP
1
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:17:00 -
[38] - Quote
all im saying is we should have the right to open fire on the person thats it without problems, by all means loot/savage the wrecks but atless give the fighting option i mean if they wanna steal than let them fight for it right lol |
Donovan Draknevov
Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
4
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:18:00 -
[39] - Quote
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:It goes into my cargo if I beat you to it, it then becomes mine and not a piece of space junk causing a navigation hazard.
CCP Gamesmasters and Devs categorically state, and have done on numerous occasions, that salvaging another persons wreck is not a flaggable action, now that is a fact which can't be disputed. You're not the first to complain about it, and you won't be the last, and nothing you say or do will change the fact that salvage belongs to the person who gets it into their cargo hold first.
Call it a bullshit mechanic all you like, your opinion on this doesn't matter one iota to CCP, it's their game, their mechanics, their rules. Well it needs to be disputed because its bullshit anyone with a brain can see that, i mean they are the dev to this game they aren't stupid, myself and many others that i spoken to see my point other than a selective few like yourself which most likely... like this rule because it protects your ass from getting killed while you take peoples ****, but whatever you can tell me its right all day but anyone like i said with a brain will see my point and why it should atless have the edits to take out concord/killrights atless
Translation: CCP should pander to me and make this game work for what I want it to do.
You get right on that. *grabs the popcorn* Trust in the Rust |
Phoenix Einherjar
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:25:00 -
[40] - Quote
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait..... You lost a 850m NApoc to CONCORD because you got mad at a little frigate stealing <10m worth of SALVAGE!?
...
:D does not even begin to describe how big my incredulous smile is right now. And you say you're 3 months old? At 3 months old you have NO business running Lvl4s in a 850m NApoc. You must have bought it through PLEX or otherwise you were flying something you couldn't afford to lose, hence breaking the NUMBER 1 RULE OF EVE.
You complaining about being mentally deficient and being CONCORDed over salvage is about as dumb as if I were to complaim about losing my 1.2billion NApoc to scramming rats after being a cocky ************ and hitting all the triggers in Attack of the Drones... |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9956
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:30:00 -
[41] - Quote
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:all im saying is we should have the right to open fire on the person thats it without problems, by all means loot/savage the wrecks but atless give the fighting option i mean if they wanna steal than let them fight for it right lol Do you really want to know what would happen if what you suggest was put into place?, You'd die, a lot, because a PvE fit ship is no match for a PvP fit ship.
As I said earlier, if you want to dispute what you have been told, and consider that salvage being classed as junk is a bullshit mechanic then petition it at the following link, don't be surprised when you get told exactly what you've been told here.
http://community.eveonline.com/support/support-tickets/
At the end of the day CCPs word is law when it comes to ingame mechanics, their game, their rules.
If you can't accept the rules then I suggest you try SWO, Freelancer, Homeworld, the X series or the Kerbal Space Program for your spaceships fix, there's also Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen when they're released.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
Phoenix Einherjar
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:34:00 -
[42] - Quote
Donovan Draknevov wrote:The only similar thing I can think of to this would be World of Warcraft's skinning.
Excellent analogy and one this tard will probably understand. It's EXACTLY like someone stealing your skinnable corpse if they were on the same faction/on a PVE server. The loot is yours, the skins (salvage) is not, until it's in your inventory. It's been that way SINCE IMPLEMENTATION IN BOTH GAMES.
And here's the bit OP can't seem to understand: In WoW, if someone steals your skin, YOU HAVE NO RECOURSE AGAINST THEM
In EVE, there are NPC police to enforce this fact.
You disengaged your safeties and tried to act against the ninja. It's exactly like being able to voluntarily turn off starting area protection in WoW and 1-shotting lvl 1 newbies - you'd get a ban in WoW, you get shot by the police in EVE. |
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
263
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:39:00 -
[43] - Quote
Shoot your wrecks. Problem solved. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
75
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:41:00 -
[44] - Quote
I have this thing now were I try to look at the avatar and the player's name and reconcile the carebear tears they are crying in the forums. Take a look at:
"xxdeathxx thebeaver"
avatar and then his corp name:
It Burrns When I PvP
and see if you see "carebear" in it. Dude, be the guy you created in the avatar. He looks like a bad-ass. Be him. Don't whine on the forums. Hunt that guy down and kill him, like you did, then learn how to live with a killright for a month. I have 5 different chars that I play. This may be my main, or maybe not. I have no idea. |
Relego
The People Who Are Still Alive
7
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:44:00 -
[45] - Quote
Seems to me the simple, yet elegant, solution is for the OP to move to low. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os5TXyJlEMc |
xxdeathxx thebeaver
It Burrns When I PvP
1
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:44:00 -
[46] - Quote
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:I have this thing now were I try to look at the avatar and the player's name and reconcile the carebear tears they are crying in the forums. Take a look at:
"xxdeathxx thebeaver"
avatar and then his corp name:
It Burrns When I PvP
and see if you see "carebear" in it. Dude, be the guy you created in the avatar. He looks like a bad-ass. Be him. Don't whine on the forums. Hunt that guy down and kill him, like you did, then learn how to live with a killright for a month.
it just made me bitter about the mech is all im over it but still grinds my gears yea know ? |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
76
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:47:00 -
[47] - Quote
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:all im saying is we should have the right to open fire on the person thats it without problems, by all means loot/savage the wrecks but atless give the fighting option i mean if they wanna steal than let them fight for it right lol
Wait.. wait.. I see the problem. You want a change to the game rules, but clearly CCP isn't going to do that, at least not before you unsubscribe because of the myriad of other things that are going to **** you off. So let me at least help you out a bit. Run your missions in lowsec or NPC nullsec. There the rules allow you to shoot whoever comes into your mission space without any police interference at all. Those are just the rules you want, so problem solved yes? I have 5 different chars that I play. This may be my main, or maybe not. I have no idea. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3607
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:48:00 -
[48] - Quote
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Elizabeth Aideron wrote:why did you have your safety off while mission running anyway? my safety was on until i seen the person looting and as far as i knew you had to change it to attack anywhere so i did and of course the person had help from the police before yea i was in the wrong because i spend a few hours on this one long mission and sure enough here's someone savaging wrecks so like any other game why shouldn't i be able to fire on them? So i shot them and concord saves the day! but im in the wrong i forgot... its a profession but its the same thing as looting someones can but w/e
You have a... breathtaking... understanding of the safety mechanics. Simply breathtaking.
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:all im saying is we should have the right to open fire on the person thats it without problems, by all means loot/savage the wrecks but atless give the fighting option i mean if they wanna steal than let them fight for it right lol
You own the contents of a wreck that you've legally killed. Nobody owns the wreck.
You can fire on people who steal things you own (the contents, for example). You cannot fire on people who do not steal things you own (since you don't own the salvage, nobody's stolen anything from you). This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9956
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:53:00 -
[49] - Quote
Oh god I just noticed that he's actually the CEO of his corp, if he's anything to go by then that corp and its 28 members are destined to disappear in short order, especially after this thread.
*Calls the smiter of shiptoasters on the Somali Coastguard Hotline*
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
Tinker Vuld
New Order Logistics CODE.
9
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Posted - 2013.07.10 02:03:00 -
[50] - Quote
I, for one, would like to commend the OP for sharing this tale of woe. He has inspired me to go out and give this salvaging profession a try.
So reading between the lines the best place to salvage tears is in someone else's mission is that correct? www.minerbumping.com - study it, live it, breathe it, for The Code shall set you free. |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9957
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Posted - 2013.07.10 02:18:00 -
[51] - Quote
Tinker Vuld wrote:I, for one, would like to commend the OP for sharing this tale of woe. He has inspired me to go out and give this salvaging profession a try.
So reading between the lines the best place to salvage tears is in someone else's mission is that correct? Pretty much.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
Hadewijch
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.07.10 02:23:00 -
[52] - Quote
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Because of this rule the person had a killright against me and opened it to everyone and caused me to lose a Navy Apoc and fits which was about 850million and i know most of you out there buy plex and whatever but some ppl actually enjoy the game and work for there ingame credits like missions... mining whatever right?
Hullo there!
I warned you are going to get pwned at Amarr undock, but you would not listen. What were you thinking, going to Amarr in your nice shiny navy Apocalypse with a kill right on your head?
I am glad you learnt something new about EVE mechanics today.
Yours, H. |
Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Mass Overload
328
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Posted - 2013.07.10 02:42:00 -
[53] - Quote
MTFU or GTFO. I'm lazy this night. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
455
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Posted - 2013.07.10 03:22:00 -
[54] - Quote
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:Miners have same thoughts about the whole "can flipping" thing.
It's a basic game mechanic. It's not a bug and there is no way CCP will change it. EVE is designed to allow people to ruin your day if you let them.
You let them and they ruined your day. Now that you understand the mechanic you can adjust your play style. Well than we should be allowed to take cans without getting introuble right ? You CAN flip cans without getting "in trouble". CONCORD will not care. It does give the person who owns the can the ability to fire on you (not that it does a miner any good). The difference is that you OWN the can, NOT the wreck well same thing we should have the ability to fire on the person savaging our wrecks right ?
You littered space with no concern and complain when a lovely person comes along and cleans up YOUR MESS.
Litterbugs like you deserve to be Concorded.
Can you imagine how badly an asteroid could be damaged if one of those wrecks floated off and hit one?
Next time clean up your own mess so the other good folk in Eve do not have to do it for you.
I bet after you lost your Navy Apoc you even left that junk sitting in space. When will some people learn. Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Nixss
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.07.10 03:33:00 -
[55] - Quote
Phoenix Einherjar wrote:Donovan Draknevov wrote:The only similar thing I can think of to this would be World of Warcraft's skinning. Excellent analogy and one this tard will probably understand. It's EXACTLY like someone stealing your skinnable corpse if they were on the same faction/on a PVE server. The loot is yours, the skins (salvage) is not, until it's in your inventory. It's been that way SINCE IMPLEMENTATION IN BOTH GAMES. And here's the bit OP can't seem to understand: In WoW, if someone steals your skin, YOU HAVE NO RECOURSE AGAINST THEM In EVE, there are NPC police to enforce this fact. You disengaged your safeties and tried to act against the ninja. It's exactly like being able to voluntarily turn off starting area protection in WoW and 1-shotting lvl 1 newbies - you'd get a ban in WoW, you get shot by the police in EVE.
There is one small difference, in WoW you can not skin a corpse until it has been looted. I used to do that to the ninja skinners, I just wouldn't loot the corpses and they would send me some nice rage tells, asking me to loot so they can skin them.
To the OP you can turn this into something profitable for you. There are lots of fleet battles in low and null. Grab yourself a Manticore fit 4 salvagers a MWD and cloak, as well as a few cap re chargers and boosters, rig it right and salvage their stuff. There are some nice wreaks out there. Its a cheap fit that can make you some ISK. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Paragon Blitz
515
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Posted - 2013.07.10 03:46:00 -
[56] - Quote
This is why ninja salvagers are a valued part of the EVE community.
It's not their role in cleaning up the mess left by capsuleers. It's their incredible capacity to provide entertainment for all of us.
An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front. |
Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Mass Overload
328
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Posted - 2013.07.10 04:02:00 -
[57] - Quote
It just amaze me the attitude "Change the mechanics so I can be s@upid and careless all I want, risk free!" of some "gents". Try do sites in nosec space. See how that goes. You should be thankful of not getting your ship blown up by..., oh. Wait..., ltoosoon? |
Plastic Psycho
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2013.07.10 06:06:00 -
[58] - Quote
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote: ... i shot the person because it IS THE SAME AS TAKING LOOT FROM THE CONTAINERS and theres no way to say its not because they are marked when the persons name when they are destroyed, this rule needs to be updated ...
See, what we have here is a failure to communicate. CCP lays out the rules. But Dead Beaver here wants things otherwise. So he gets Concordokken, because that's the way things work. CCP don't care that the Beaver is Dead. Nor do we. Only the Beaver cares that it is dead. But it is dead, so who cares? |
Cannibal Kane
Temple of Kane
2009
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Posted - 2013.07.10 06:25:00 -
[59] - Quote
oh hi there future war target.
"I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Caliph Muhammed
Caldari Investment and Security Industries Enigma Project
403
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Posted - 2013.07.10 06:27:00 -
[60] - Quote
Is salvage created without someone first expelling the energy and resources completing the mission? No?
We can see the communist philosophy behind the system. One guy does the work and another collects the reward and the system protects the parasite.
Quite a "learned protocol" comrades. |
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Mycael
Biohazard.
22
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Posted - 2013.07.10 06:35:00 -
[61] - Quote
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Elizabeth Aideron wrote:why did you have your safety off while mission running anyway? my safety was on until i seen the person looting and as far as i knew you had to change it to attack anywhere so i did and of course the person had help from the police before yea i was in the wrong because i spend a few hours on this one long mission and sure enough here's someone savaging wrecks so like any other game why shouldn't i be able to fire on them? So i shot them and concord saves the day! but im in the wrong i forgot... its a profession but its the same thing as looting someones can but w/e
This post and the original only shows how clueless you are about the game. You f'd up.
Edit: And move away from highsec. Problem solved. |
Roxxo I'doCocaine
SlammaJammaBamma
30
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Posted - 2013.07.10 07:04:00 -
[62] - Quote
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:...as far as i knew...
The problem seems to revolve around the short length of the above stated measurement.
OP tried to apply his WOW knowledge to EvE, resulting in the loss of his ships and now desperately seeks validation from other players to sooth his bruised ego. All of you heartless C&P denizens are instead refusing to cooperate, taking the opportunity to troll the OP with facts and policy statements gleaned from this painfully old debate.
If it helps you feel any better about it OP, I can tell you that once upon a time it was easy to get other carebears to jump on the "salvaging is broken" bandwagon. You would have had several supporting replies by now. However, this argument has been made and refuted so many times by now that your entire thread is a cliche'. The bottom line is that CCP has already heard all sides of this, and in response to your concerns has graced us with the Noctis to combat ninjas. With its ridiculous tractor-beam range and salvaging speed, it really makes it almost impossible to salvage the missions of those who actually care. As far as "difficult to swallow" mechanics go, I have yet to read a rational explanation for why tractor beams won't work on yellow wrecks. |
Lavitias Arjar
Vicis Inter Astrum
1
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Posted - 2013.07.10 07:18:00 -
[63] - Quote
*dons tinfoil hat*
The creatures living in the tractor beams are to scared to touch yellow colored stuff. |
Froggy Storm
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
70
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Posted - 2013.07.10 07:20:00 -
[64] - Quote
Cannibal Kane wrote:oh hi there future war target.
Oh Mr. Kane you always make me laugh and my coworkers look at me oddly.
OP, If you haven't left by now please allow me to try to explain why you are getting so much attention from this forum. Once upon a time there was no safety switch. The aggression mechanics were often obscure to new players and the predators actively tried to mislead you into violating them. As such, the groaning and bashing of teeth over adding this safety switch was pretty loud.
In your case, you voluntarily chose to over ride a mechanic that was put in place to protect you from making a 850m mistake. And then having done so come and cry foul. The mechanic exists to keep you from breaking the law. Much the same way a speed limiter does on a car.
Believe me when I say that this was strictly your own fault. Learn from the mistake. It is all you can do.
And remember no matter how hard you believe a thing doesn't make it so. You can not shoot the guy who cuts you off in traffic no matter if you think he deserves it. |
Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem
169
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Posted - 2013.07.10 08:43:00 -
[65] - Quote
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:So....
...Has anyone done a mission and have that person come along and start taking your savage? yea that happened to me and i shot the person because...
... the person had a killright against me and opened it to everyone and caused me to lose a Navy Apoc and fits which was about 850million... That was a bad choice on your part.
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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
252
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Posted - 2013.07.10 08:45:00 -
[66] - Quote
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Because of this rule the person had a killright against me and opened it to everyone and caused me to lose a Navy Apoc
Let me get this right. You seem to be saying that the act of him salvaging your wrecks caused him to get kill rights against you....
Or did that happen when you blew up his ship?
See the difference?
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3607
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Posted - 2013.07.10 08:50:00 -
[67] - Quote
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:So....
...Has anyone done a mission and have that person come along and start taking your savage? yea that happened to me and i shot the person because...
... the person had a killright against me and opened it to everyone and caused me to lose a Navy Apoc and fits which was about 850million... That was a bad choice on your part. "It Burrns When I PvP" 850M lost to protect some crappy salvage? That would burn.
I believe he also lost the Machariel (or whatever) that he shot the innocent salvager with. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Mike Adoulin
Trans-Aerospace Industries
258
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Posted - 2013.07.10 08:53:00 -
[68] - Quote
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:So.... *rabblerabblerabbleRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEErabblerabblerabble
You lose.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9977
|
Posted - 2013.07.10 09:01:00 -
[69] - Quote
Froggy Storm wrote: And remember no matter how hard you believe a thing doesn't make it so. You can not shoot the guy who cuts you off in traffic no matter if you think he deserves it.
Actually you can, you just have to live with being Bubba's lady friend for the length of your prison sentence.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
Hadewijch
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.07.10 09:58:00 -
[70] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote: I believe he also lost the Machariel (or whatever) that he shot the innocent salvager with.
Not a Machariel. After raging in local for half an hour, using words that a lady as me is ashamed to even think of, he opened fire with T1 fit Coercer. He got me to 98% shields before brave Concord arrived to my rescue. That's where the kill right came from.
He had two corpmates with him. They decided to yellow-box me to death while their boss was melting away.
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3607
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:04:00 -
[71] - Quote
Hadewijch wrote:RubyPorto wrote: I believe he also lost the Machariel (or whatever) that he shot the innocent salvager with.
Not a Machariel. After raging in local for half an hour, using words that a lady as me is ashamed to even think of, he opened fire with T1 fit Coercer. He got me to 98% shields before brave Concord arrived to my rescue. That's where the kill right came from. He had two corpmates with him. They decided to yellow-box me to death while their boss was melting away.
The dreaded yellow box of doom. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
9996
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:18:00 -
[72] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Hadewijch wrote:RubyPorto wrote: I believe he also lost the Machariel (or whatever) that he shot the innocent salvager with.
Not a Machariel. After raging in local for half an hour, using words that a lady as me is ashamed to even think of, he opened fire with T1 fit Coercer. He got me to 98% shields before brave Concord arrived to my rescue. That's where the kill right came from. He had two corpmates with him. They decided to yellow-box me to death while their boss was melting away. The dreaded yellow box of doom.
Colloquially known as the carebear stare
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3608
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:41:00 -
[73] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Colloquially known as the carebear stare
Got you to 10k for that. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10001
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Posted - 2013.07.10 10:44:00 -
[74] - Quote
Ty Ruby, much appreciated
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Mass Overload
329
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Posted - 2013.07.10 11:12:00 -
[75] - Quote
Cannibal Kane wrote:oh hi there future war target.
I read that with Herbert the Pervert voice in my head |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
79
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Posted - 2013.07.10 11:38:00 -
[76] - Quote
OP, one day I was doing missions and some guy came into my mission and started salvaging, when I do missions I tend to salvage after, anyway I went in and as I was tractoring wrecks he salvaged them. I was a bit annoyed, so I left him too it and did another mission, but I blow up each wreck, so after a while he comes in and sees no wrecks and me blowing up a ship and then the wreck and he decides to go elsewhere. No loss to Concord and no thread that makes you a target. Don't get mad, ruin it for them... If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space, its as simple as that!-á-á-á-á-á-á-á There are people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local, well they should light a cyno and try jumping to it. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
681
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Posted - 2013.07.10 12:09:00 -
[77] - Quote
Hahahaha....
Oh my, thanks for the entertainment.
OP, you really need to learn the rules of the game.... stop flying PLEXed ships to Mission in..... and really really stop posting your tears in C&P (Nobody here is going to support you).
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Blue Absinthe
Fur Industries
12
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Posted - 2013.07.10 12:39:00 -
[78] - Quote
You're in a PvP corp and you're complaining about salvage....... about salvage!? |
Nolan David
Mandalorian Forge
5
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Posted - 2013.07.10 12:51:00 -
[79] - Quote
Say all you want about the spelling and grammar... the people who have replied with, "that's not how it is though" are being as ridiculous.
He knows that's not how it is. He is suggesting it should be changed to be that way. I know his posts are hard to follow but I thought that was quite easy to pick up on, lol. |
Zappity
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
169
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:09:00 -
[80] - Quote
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:The target the wreck and hit it with their savager
Wow. Quite a read but this bit caught my eye. I have to get me one of them! How much DPS does a savager do? Sounds awesome.
As for the rest of the rant, working as intended. Salvaging, even ninja salvaging, is deliberately allowed as a noob profession. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
435
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:59:00 -
[81] - Quote
Kalel Nimrott wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:oh hi there future war target.
I read that with Herbert the Pervert voice in my head People who make threads like this and those who get angsty about scams achieve nothing other than bringing attention upon themselves and their corps.
Its like sheep telling wolves that dinner is ready to be served. GÖÑ Rain6636 |
Kimo Khan
Novum Matutinus
115
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:41:00 -
[82] - Quote
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Elizabeth Aideron wrote:why did you have your safety off while mission running anyway? my safety was on until i seen the person looting and as far as i knew you had to change it to attack anywhere so i did and of course the person had help from the police before yea i was in the wrong because i spend a few hours on this one long mission and sure enough here's someone savaging wrecks so like any other game why shouldn't i be able to fire on them? So i shot them and concord saves the day! but im in the wrong i forgot... its a profession but its the same thing as looting someones can but w/e
If you have the right to shoot someone without consequences you do not have to turn your safety off. Never go saftey red in high sec unless you WANT to get concorded.
If they steal your loot (not wreck) you may shoot freely with safety green. You may even take back your loot after you kill them with safety green.
Wrecks are unowned and will never cause a criminal or suspect timer, only loot in the wreck is owned. |
Shiera Kuni
Norse'Storm Battle Group Circle-Of-Two
28
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:23:00 -
[83] - Quote
CONCORDOKKEN! |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2262
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:39:00 -
[84] - Quote
This thread gave made me smile... thank you! |
El Zeta
Eve Fail Corp
0
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:40:00 -
[85] - Quote
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Elizabeth Aideron wrote:why did you have your safety off while mission running anyway? my safety was on until i seen the person looting and as far as i knew you had to change it to attack anywhere so i did and of course the person had help from the police before yea i was in the wrong because i spend a few hours on this one long mission and sure enough here's someone savaging wrecks so like any other game why shouldn't i be able to fire on them? So i shot them and concord saves the day! but im in the wrong i forgot... its a profession but its the same thing as looting someones can but w/e
Navy Apoc and fits which was about 850million ? then spent a few hours doing the mission?
you must be doing something terribly wrong to spend that much time with an 800+ mil ship.
anyways loose 3+ bil more doing stupid things and ill invite you to join my corp, we got salvaging ships to save your wrecks from unwanted mision trolls.
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Milan Nantucket
New Eden Misfits
72
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Posted - 2013.07.10 17:00:00 -
[86] - Quote
Quote: .... if any Dev wants to try and tell me otherwise please explain in detail now the wrecks can't be considered a looted item .....
First I developed this software once that made taking a home inventory and since you said any dev here it goes:
First I used a good 'ol friend google and bolded the important parts: loot /lo-Pot/ Noun Goods, esp. private property, taken from an enemy in war. Verb Steal goods from (a place), typically during a war or riot: "rioters were looting shops". Synonyms noun. plunder - spoil - booty - prey - pillage - swag - quarry verb. plunder - rob - pillage - sack - despoil - maraud - harry
now salvage: salvaging present participle of sal-+vage (Verb) Verb 1. Rescue (a wrecked or disabled ship or its cargo) from loss at sea. 2 Retrieve or preserve (something) from potential loss or adverse circumstances.
I also bolded the important part.
and here: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/salvage
So looting is what makes people suspect hence "illegal"
Salvaging is not.
So basically what all this means is if you want salvage from sploded ships then salvage them before anyone else does. |
Shiera Kuni
Norse'Storm Battle Group Circle-Of-Two
28
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Posted - 2013.07.10 17:10:00 -
[87] - Quote
To be fair, ship salvaging in international waters is actually the same way, whoever lays claim to the boat first, wins. Now, that said, what if the four empires automatically laid claim to any salvage found in their backyards, eh? After all, unless you're in low/null, you're technically in 'nationally' claimed space |
Plastic Psycho
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
68
|
Posted - 2013.07.10 17:18:00 -
[88] - Quote
Kimo Khan wrote:
If you have the right to shoot someone without consequences you do not have to turn your safety off. Never go saftey red in high sec unless you WANT to get concorded.
Pretty much this. ^^
Mind you, I don't *want* to get Concordokken - it's just an Inevitable consequence.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
750
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Posted - 2013.07.10 17:47:00 -
[89] - Quote
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:So.... Has anyone done a mission and have that person come along and start taking your savage? yea that happened to me and i shot the person because it IS THE SAME AS TAKING LOOT FROM THE CONTAINERS and theres no way to say its not because they are marked when the persons name when they are destroyed, this rule needs to be updated to the same as the Looting rule you take it you get the right to shot them without concord or someone getting killrights period.... When we are doing missions and fighting and playing YOUR! game we should be able to defend what we work for not be punished for doing so. Most might think im just pissed over nothing but its just how it needs to be, if any Dev wants to try and tell me otherwise please explain in detail now the wrecks can't be considered a looted item, The target the wreck and hit it with their savager and loot the contents into there cargo, its the same as someone coming along and looting a container... they target the container, they goto it and move the items out of the container and into their cargo hold. See my point ? Because of this rule the person had a killright against me and opened it to everyone and caused me to lose a Navy Apoc and fits which was about 850million and i know most of you out there buy plex and whatever but some ppl actually enjoy the game and work for there ingame credits like missions... mining whatever right? I think this is a bug and needs to be addressed and anyone being killed from the punishments from it should regain what they losted if they was in the right. Who else agrees they should change this to the same as if someone looted your cantainer ?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Mass Overload
332
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Posted - 2013.07.10 18:58:00 -
[90] - Quote
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:oh hi there future war target.
I read that with Herbert the Pervert voice in my head People who make threads like this and those who get angsty about scams achieve nothing other than bringing attention upon themselves and their corps. Its like sheep telling wolves that dinner is ready to be served.
So, you are saying that I should stop posting, dock up and quit corp? |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10048
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Posted - 2013.07.10 19:11:00 -
[91] - Quote
Nolan David wrote:Say all you want about the spelling and grammar... the people who have replied with, "that's not how it is though" are being as ridiculous.
He knows that's not how it is. He is suggesting it should be changed to be that way. I know his posts are hard to follow but I thought that was quite easy to pick up on, lol. Yet he fails to give any sort of reasoning beyond "it should be mine" or "it's bullshit" for why it should change.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
Yuri Wayfare
Blackstar Privateer Consortium Enigma Project
281
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Posted - 2013.07.10 19:13:00 -
[92] - Quote
Next time, just wait for the guy to steal some loot soyou can shoot him legally. That always ends well :) "Suddenly, trash pickers! HUNDREDS of winos going through your recyclables." -Piugattuk
Be careful what you wish for. |
Plastic Psycho
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2013.07.10 20:12:00 -
[93] - Quote
Yuri Wayfare wrote:Next time, just wait for the guy to steal some loot so you can shoot him legally. That always ends well :) Confirming that shooting loot thieves is a good idea. |
Shiera Kuni
Norse'Storm Battle Group Circle-Of-Two
29
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Posted - 2013.07.10 20:23:00 -
[94] - Quote
Plastic Psycho wrote:Yuri Wayfare wrote:Next time, just wait for the guy to steal some loot so you can shoot him legally. That always ends well :) Confirming that shooting loot thieves is a good idea. Confirming that shooting anything that's actually hostile to you is a good idea. |
Plastic Psycho
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2013.07.10 20:30:00 -
[95] - Quote
Spoil-sport. |
Relego
The People Who Are Still Alive
7
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Posted - 2013.07.10 20:37:00 -
[96] - Quote
Shiera Kuni wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote:Yuri Wayfare wrote:Next time, just wait for the guy to steal some loot so you can shoot him legally. That always ends well :) Confirming that shooting loot thieves is a good idea. Confirming that shooting anything that's actually hostile to you is a good idea.
Confirming that shooting anything that's acting nice is actually probably a better idea. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os5TXyJlEMc |
Shiera Kuni
Norse'Storm Battle Group Circle-Of-Two
29
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Posted - 2013.07.10 20:50:00 -
[97] - Quote
Oh! I like his idea, do that too! |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10063
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Posted - 2013.07.10 20:54:00 -
[98] - Quote
Shoot everything, let your deity of choice sort it out.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
Plastic Psycho
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2013.07.10 21:17:00 -
[99] - Quote
that means Concord == Deity?
Makes sense - Always watching, always ready with the punishment - Fire and brimstone, Invincible... Yeah. that all checks. Time to start a new religion in New Eden: The Brotherhood of Concordokken. |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
437
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Posted - 2013.07.10 22:48:00 -
[100] - Quote
Kalel Nimrott wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:oh hi there future war target.
I read that with Herbert the Pervert voice in my head People who make threads like this and those who get angsty about scams achieve nothing other than bringing attention upon themselves and their corps. Its like sheep telling wolves that dinner is ready to be served. So, you are saying that I should stop posting, dock up and quit corp? I was meaning the OP, and mainly referring to Kane's post as proof of this.
I quoted your post since you had commented on Kane's and I didn't want you to feel left out. GÖÑ Rain6636 |
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Donovan Draknevov
Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
7
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Posted - 2013.07.10 22:55:00 -
[101] - Quote
Shiera Kuni wrote:CONCORDOKKEN! This is relevant.
This topic sure made my work day yesterday more fun than it was... Yeah. C&P is not the place to go to to get folk to agree with you :P Trust in the Rust |
Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Mass Overload
332
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Posted - 2013.07.11 01:22:00 -
[102] - Quote
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:oh hi there future war target.
I read that with Herbert the Pervert voice in my head People who make threads like this and those who get angsty about scams achieve nothing other than bringing attention upon themselves and their corps. Its like sheep telling wolves that dinner is ready to be served. So, you are saying that I should stop posting, dock up and quit corp? Not you, lol. I was meaning the OP, and mainly referring to Kane's post as proof of this. I quoted your post since you had commented on Kane's, and I didn't want you to feel left out like you may have done had I omitted your contribution
I was this close to quiting eve! Thank you mate! |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
225
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Posted - 2013.07.11 08:46:00 -
[103] - Quote
CCP have nerfed ninja ganking and salvaging to the point where it's a ******* carebear joke. I predict high sec PVP and war decs and other grief mechanics being relaxed back to EVE's innovative and golden age in attempt to stem the brain drain towards Star Citizen of EVE's contributing and game developing players.
Having the war crack carebear zero brain crowd does provide monthly income for CCP but losing talented and intelligent players to start citizen will be a real killer for CCP, EVE and the meta game. Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3612
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Posted - 2013.07.11 09:21:00 -
[104] - Quote
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:CCP have nerfed ninja ganking and salvaging to the point where it's a ******* carebear joke. I predict high sec PVP and war decs and other grief mechanics being relaxed back to EVE's innovative and golden age in attempt to stem the brain drain towards Star Citizen of EVE's contributing and game developing players.
Having the war crack carebear zero brain crowd does provide monthly income for CCP but losing talented and intelligent players to start citizen will be a real killer for CCP, EVE and the meta game.
Isn't "Start Citizen" the one that has a PvP-Slider to let you turn off PvP when it would be inconvenient?
And you're saying that it's the non-carebear crowd that will be attracted to it? This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
37
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Posted - 2013.07.11 21:17:00 -
[105] - Quote
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:.... its like saying Piracy is a profession than....
not sure if this was pointed out to you yet, but... it is |
Relego
The People Who Are Still Alive
9
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Posted - 2013.07.11 21:27:00 -
[106] - Quote
Dun'Gal wrote:xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:.... its like saying Piracy is a profession than.... not sure if this was pointed out to you yet, but... it is
No, clearly this is a conspiracy, and someone hacked the CCP web servers to put it up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os5TXyJlEMc |
Jewel Noret
Military Assault Command Ops Defiant Legacy
0
|
Posted - 2013.07.12 00:52:00 -
[107] - Quote
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Donovan Draknevov wrote:*rings the dinner bell* Tears on, everyone! its not tears its a problem with the mechs in the game and it needs to be corrected simple as that.
Working as intended. I guess the problem is that it's a problem with how YOU perceive the mechs of the game? |
Gaellia Bonaventure
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1271
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Posted - 2013.07.12 02:15:00 -
[108] - Quote
I salvage all the time. I salvage everything I come across. I would salvage a tin can if I were able to do so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48H34ukFe8g Bring your possibles. |
Caldinea
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.07.12 05:10:00 -
[109] - Quote
First I wanted to say, oh, it's been so long since I've posted here.
Second: being a retired privateeer and having gone Carebear, as a proper carebear I am going to Offer Valuable Advice for my Space Friends GÖÑGÖÑGÖÑ.
Any highsec PvE player should know when they are being baited to shoot someone. They are usually bumping your ship, flipping your cans, shooting your rats, or otherwise being In Your Face.
You shot. You lose the bait game. And for wrecks.
This wasn't even a suspect flag situation. You turned off your safety and fired for wrecks. You deserved what you got. Even the GAME was telling you that wrecks aren't considered valuable enough to flag someone suspect, and you argued with it, and lost.
Salvage is spaceclutter. If you care that much about it and have a corp of people one of them should have been in a Noctis and you should have been missionrunning in a Fleet for maximum efficiency.. but hey.
Salvaging is a viable profession.
Piracy is a viable profession.
I'd be surprised if OP is even still reading. Regardless.
Welcome to Space. |
QUIZZA
CRANK INC.
23
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Posted - 2013.07.13 01:04:00 -
[110] - Quote
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StonerPhReaK
Ashfell Celestial Equilibrium POD-SQUAD
108
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:18:00 -
[111] - Quote
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
my safety was on until i seen the person looting and as far as i knew you had to change it to attack anywhere so i did and of course the person had help from the police before yea i was in the wrong because i spend a few hours on this one long mission and sure enough here's someone savaging wrecks so like any other game why shouldn't i be able to fire on them? So i shot them and concord saves the day! but im in the wrong i forgot... its a profession but its the same thing as looting someones can but w/e
It looks to me as if he was trying to help you, I bolded the part that leads me to believe this statement to be true. Those wrecks were about to disappear in a few more minutes anyway. If anything you should have thanked him, Maybe asked if he wanted to fleet and bring in some much needed dps help. Signature Removal in Progress, Estimated time of completion? Neva |
Xylorn Hasher
Sumiyoshi-Kai
115
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Posted - 2013.07.14 02:22:00 -
[112] - Quote
"It Burrns When I PvP"
Too bad it is you burning not them. All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana-áconsumption. |
Plastic Psycho
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
104
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Posted - 2013.07.14 17:01:00 -
[113] - Quote
Donovan Draknevov wrote:Shiera Kuni wrote:CONCORDOKKEN! This is relevant.This topic sure made my work day yesterday more fun than it was... Yeah. C&P is not the place to go to to get folk to agree with you :P I am forever going to being hearing "Con-Core-DoKKen" in my head when I see it... |
Damay Aprionati
Bloody Vermin
36
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Posted - 2013.07.14 20:46:00 -
[114] - Quote
Ahh classic. Dead men can't pay. |
Jess Tanner
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
30
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Posted - 2013.07.14 20:53:00 -
[115] - Quote
I like this thread. |
Joan Greywind
Temnava Legion No Holes Barred
51
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Posted - 2013.07.15 04:19:00 -
[116] - Quote
OP let me give a friendly advice:
In EVE nothing is yours, the asteroids aren't yours, space isn't yours, the ship you fly isn't yours, and the **** in your hangar isn't yours. You are just borrowing it until someone smarter, stronger, sneakier, luckier comes along and takes it back, and the cycle continues on and on. You will have much more fun in this game if you follow this mentality. The game is intended to work like this and is designed around losing your ****. So if you want to play this game to it's full potential (my humble opinion), just go out and lose ****, and don't carebear only (those pvp ships don't buy themselves I know). And mostly don't come cry about it in the forums. Don't get me wrong your tears are tasty, but you come out as a whiny little b ***** (yea sorry that was mean, but I like to be honest). At the end of the day if all you want is to carebear and "relax", there are a lot of other games that do this better.
And really I am not trolling, set yourself free, don't let your stuff own you, go out and lose it. |
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
220
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Posted - 2013.07.15 08:36:00 -
[117] - Quote
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=xxdeathxx+thebeaver#losses
judging by your fits you dont have t2 guns even on your frigs, so i would say you lack the skills to be in a navy BS. get those skills up before you go into another expensive ship and lose that to lack of knowledge of game mechanics. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
228
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Posted - 2013.07.15 09:04:00 -
[118] - Quote
OP should SKILL himself |
xxdeathxx thebeaver
It Burrns When I PvP
3
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Posted - 2013.07.15 10:40:00 -
[119] - Quote
Linda Shadowborn wrote:http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=xxdeathxx+thebeaver#losses
judging by your fits you dont have t2 guns even on your frigs, so i would say you lack the skills to be in a navy BS. get those skills up before you go into another expensive ship and lose that to lack of knowledge of game mechanics.
it is... what it is im chill... can't believe this post blew up lol "Don't drink and post + rage" |
xxdeathxx thebeaver
It Burrns When I PvP
3
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Posted - 2013.07.15 10:50:00 -
[120] - Quote
Hadewijch wrote:xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:
Because of this rule the person had a killright against me and opened it to everyone and caused me to lose a Navy Apoc and fits which was about 850million and i know most of you out there buy plex and whatever but some ppl actually enjoy the game and work for there ingame credits like missions... mining whatever right?
Hullo there! I actually did warn you that you are going to get pwned at Amarr undock, but you would not listen. What were you thinking, going to Amarr in your nice shiny navy Apocalypse with a kill right on your head? I am glad you learnt something new about EVE mechanics today. Yours, H.
Still hiding inside that NPC Corp ? |
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Valleria Darkmoon
Heretic Army Heretic Initiative
120
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Posted - 2013.07.15 11:13:00 -
[121] - Quote
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Donovan Draknevov wrote:*rings the dinner bell* Tears on, everyone! its not tears its a problem with the mechs in the game and it needs to be corrected simple as that.
Just throwing this out there but if you leave high sec the mechanics you tried to use against your ninja salvager would have been much more effective.
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Valleria Darkmoon
Heretic Army Heretic Initiative
120
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Posted - 2013.07.15 11:14:00 -
[122] - Quote
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:Miners have same thoughts about the whole "can flipping" thing.
It's a basic game mechanic. It's not a bug and there is no way CCP will change it. EVE is designed to allow people to ruin your day if you let them.
You let them and they ruined your day. Now that you understand the mechanic you can adjust your play style. Well than we should be allowed to take cans without getting introuble right ?
Feel free to lock onto one and tractor it 20000km away, I fully support and endorse this course of action.
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Valleria Darkmoon
Heretic Army Heretic Initiative
120
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Posted - 2013.07.15 11:40:00 -
[123] - Quote
Last thing, when I did still mission in high sec back in the day, I would abandon all wrecks anytime someone warped into my mission meaning they could even take my loot and I couldn't shoot them.
You know what?
Most of the time they see the wrecks turn yellow to blue and they won't even take your stuff, they just leave as you have just demonstrated that you are not going to allow them to suck you in and their tear bucket is going to stay dry as the Sahara. (One mission's loot is never going to be worth losing your mission ship for anyway).
Show them you don't care about the loot or the salvage and they will just leave and go find someone they can provoke. They're not really doing this to profit by salvaging. They are doing it to make you mad so you do something dumb and allow them to loot your bling fit NApoc, that's where the money is. The second you tell them to go ahead and loot/salvage whatever they like they know the only way to kill you is by suicide. Often they will simply give up and move on as they won't be able to undock in highsec in anything with a cargo hold while they are global criminal, making the entire endeavor to kill and loot your ship much more complicated and risky. Much easier to just warp out and go find some other rube who will donate his tears and faction/deadspace fit. |
Callathar Tivianne
Unseen Academy The Unseen Company
1
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Posted - 2013.07.15 13:04:00 -
[124] - Quote
hey, give a little one a break...he'll learn...
nah, he wont
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3086
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Posted - 2013.07.15 13:25:00 -
[125] - Quote
They took my savage once.
I miss him.
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iyammarrok
Disconnected. Choke Point
107
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Posted - 2013.07.15 14:09:00 -
[126] - Quote
I'll make it simple. Blow up a ship, go to the wreck, open it's inventory....
Can you see the salvage?
no?
Then it's not loot.
Salvaging requires that you actually do something, target the wreck, activate a module and wait for the salvager to do it's job. It is a task, that has a reward. ergo a proffession. If salvage was simply another item that appearred in the wreck, it would be classed as loot, and stealing it would be a flag-able offence, as it would be 'free isk' .
Everything that makes isk takes either time, or risk. usually both. Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
Daisai
The Riot Formation
116
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:05:00 -
[127] - Quote
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:So.... Has anyone done a mission and have that person come along and start taking your savage? yea that happened to me and i shot the person because it IS THE SAME AS TAKING LOOT FROM THE CONTAINERS and theres no way to say its not because they are marked when the persons name when they are destroyed, this rule needs to be updated to the same as the Looting rule you take it you get the right to shot them without concord or someone getting killrights period.... When we are doing missions and fighting and playing YOUR! game we should be able to defend what we work for not be punished for doing so. Most might think im just pissed over nothing but its just how it needs to be, if any Dev wants to try and tell me otherwise please explain in detail now the wrecks can't be considered a looted item, The target the wreck and hit it with their savager and loot the contents into there cargo, its the same as someone coming along and looting a container... they target the container, they goto it and move the items out of the container and into their cargo hold. See my point ? Because of this rule the person had a killright against me and opened it to everyone and caused me to lose a Navy Apoc and fits which was about 850million and i know most of you out there buy plex and whatever but some ppl actually enjoy the game and work for there ingame credits like missions... mining whatever right? I think this is a bug and needs to be addressed and anyone being killed from the punishments from it should regain what they losted if they was in the right. Who else agrees they should change this to the same as if someone looted your cantainer ?
Going by your post i see that eve might not be a game for you. I suggest you try a other space game, something like the x3 series or wait for the SC game, there isnt really that much of a choice.
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seth Hendar
I love you miners
129
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:12:00 -
[128] - Quote
Tinker Vuld wrote:I, for one, would like to commend the OP for sharing this tale of woe. He has inspired me to go out and give this salvaging profession a try.
So reading between the lines the best place to salvage tears is in someone else's mission is that correct? yup, and if you get lucky, the missionner will open fire on you, and you could have a chance of a shiny killmail before concord appears, then get is (potentially pimped) loot + all the salvage.
and if you are in this, steal something, let him shoot, and come back to kill his sorry ass (and sometimes die in terrible fire from people doing mission in pvp fit on purpose for ppl like you )
eve is harsh, i love it |
Plastic Psycho
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
105
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:20:00 -
[129] - Quote
seth Hendar wrote:Tinker Vuld wrote:I, for one, would like to commend the OP for sharing this tale of woe. He has inspired me to go out and give this salvaging profession a try.
So reading between the lines the best place to salvage tears is in someone else's mission is that correct? yup, and if you get lucky, the missionner will open fire on you, and you could have a chance of a shiny killmail before concord appears, then get is (potentially pimped) loot + all the salvage. and if you are in this, steal something, let him shoot, and come back to kill his sorry ass (and sometimes die in terrible fire from people doing mission in pvp fit on purpose for ppl like you ) eve is harsh, i love it I really must give this a try. Popping miners is all fine and well, but most miners - even the foolish ones - seem to have gotten to the point where they don't have a lot of tears to spare me. |
Varesk
Origin. Black Legion.
447
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:24:00 -
[130] - Quote
xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Sorry to hear CONCORD savaged your ship. On the up-side, the nasty pirate probably got to salvage your wreck, so not all is lost. i didnt say concord savaged my wreck, i said someone else was and i attacked them just the same as if you looted a container... im sorry i havent played this game for more than 3 months so lol its like saying Piracy is a profession than so i can go around and steal loot outta cans right ?
Piracy is a profession in Eve. |
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seth Hendar
I love you miners
131
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:36:00 -
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Plastic Psycho wrote:seth Hendar wrote:Tinker Vuld wrote:I, for one, would like to commend the OP for sharing this tale of woe. He has inspired me to go out and give this salvaging profession a try.
So reading between the lines the best place to salvage tears is in someone else's mission is that correct? yup, and if you get lucky, the missionner will open fire on you, and you could have a chance of a shiny killmail before concord appears, then get is (potentially pimped) loot + all the salvage. and if you are in this, steal something, let him shoot, and come back to kill his sorry ass (and sometimes die in terrible fire from people doing mission in pvp fit on purpose for ppl like you ) eve is harsh, i love it I really must give this a try. Popping miners is all fine and well, but most miners - even the foolish ones - seem to have gotten to the point where they don't have a lot of tears to spare me. try harder, the resource is scarce, but worth it |
Plastic Psycho
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
105
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:47:00 -
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seth Hendar wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote:seth Hendar wrote:Tinker Vuld wrote:I, for one, would like to commend the OP for sharing this tale of woe. He has inspired me to go out and give this salvaging profession a try.
So reading between the lines the best place to salvage tears is in someone else's mission is that correct? yup, and if you get lucky, the missionner will open fire on you, and you could have a chance of a shiny killmail before concord appears, then get is (potentially pimped) loot + all the salvage. and if you are in this, steal something, let him shoot, and come back to kill his sorry ass (and sometimes die in terrible fire from people doing mission in pvp fit on purpose for ppl like you ) eve is harsh, i love it I really must give this a try. Popping miners is all fine and well, but most miners - even the foolish ones - seem to have gotten to the point where they don't have a lot of tears to spare me. try harder, the resource is scarce, but worth it Squeeze until they scream, eh? Can do. |
Haedonism Bot
Viziam Amarr Empire
416
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:03:00 -
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In honor of the OP I will name my next alt Death Beaver.
I too feel that allowing the bears to shoot at ninja salvagers in their own mission would be a good thing, so long as the salvager doesn't get suspect flagged in the process. Join the Revolutionary Front and liberate New Eden from it's stuff.
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Phaade
Debitum Naturae WHY so Seri0Us
12
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Posted - 2013.07.15 21:20:00 -
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That's completely ******* ******** and makes literally no sense.....
but there ya go OP, you've got your answer.
Really simple solution: you have 1 hour to salvage wrecks before they become public. Otherwise, face the wrath of the mission runner. |
Tara Read
The Bastards Shadow Cartel
460
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:31:00 -
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xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:So....
Has anyone done a mission and have that person come along and start taking your savage?
YES! I TOTALLY CAN RELATE!!!! I HATE IT WENZ PEEPUULL TAAKE MEEH SAVAGE!!! |
Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
145
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Posted - 2013.07.16 15:45:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:So....
Has anyone done a mission and have that person come along and start taking your savage? YES! I TOTALLY CAN RELATE!!!! I HATE IT WENZ PEEPUULL TAAKE MEEH SAVAGE!!!
Tara, your medication..... you seem to have forgot to take it again.,
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
429
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Posted - 2013.07.16 18:51:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Hadewijch wrote:RubyPorto wrote: I believe he also lost the Machariel (or whatever) that he shot the innocent salvager with.
Not a Machariel. After raging in local for half an hour, using words that a lady as me is ashamed to even think of, he opened fire with T1 fit Coercer. He got me to 98% shields before brave Concord arrived to my rescue. That's where the kill right came from. He had two corpmates with him. They decided to yellow-box me to death while their boss was melting away. The dreaded yellow box of doom.
Carebear stare! "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
108
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Posted - 2013.07.16 21:37:00 -
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http://zkillboard.com/corporation/98181647/
I wonder how pissed he is now? I have 5 different chars that I play. This may be my main, or maybe not. I have no idea. |
Relego
The People Who Are Still Alive
12
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Posted - 2013.07.16 21:45:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:http://zkillboard.com/corporation/98181647/
I wonder how pissed he is now?
Uhm, am I reading that right, and every major corp that frequents these boards decided to wardec him for tear extraction? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os5TXyJlEMc |
Karloth Valois
Temnava Legion No Holes Barred
72
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Posted - 2013.07.16 22:11:00 -
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Some buildings in missions cause damage to those around them when they blow up. Tractor all wrecks near that and shoot it until its in low structure.
When a salvager comes in and thinks its his lucky day because all the wrecks are close by shoot the structure. Explosion kills him without you ever having to aggress him.
You still lose all your loot and salvage as that blows up but it will amuse you for about 5 mins.
CCP wont change something they said is fine 100s of times just because yet another person moans on the forums, but you can be smart about it and find a way around it. It's not been nice, but thanks for using lube
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culo duro
Somali Coast Guard BootCamp
125
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Posted - 2013.07.16 22:26:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:http://zkillboard.com/corporation/98181647/
I wonder how pissed he is now?
Let's just say they were quite loud in ashab, to the point where we logged back onto TQ. |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
138
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Posted - 2013.07.17 08:44:00 -
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Hadewijch wrote:RubyPorto wrote: I believe he also lost the Machariel (or whatever) that he shot the innocent salvager with.
Not a Machariel. After raging in local for half an hour, using words that a lady as me is ashamed to even think of, he opened fire with T1 fit Coercer. He got me to 98% shields before brave Concord arrived to my rescue. That's where the kill right came from. He had two corpmates with him. They decided to yellow-box me to death while their boss was melting away. hahaha, nice, i would loved being there just to witness the rage of OP.
nice content you created with this one , keep your good work, with this one, you feed many ppl with delicious carebear tears |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
138
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Posted - 2013.07.17 08:51:00 -
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El Zeta wrote:xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Elizabeth Aideron wrote:why did you have your safety off while mission running anyway? my safety was on until i seen the person looting and as far as i knew you had to change it to attack anywhere so i did and of course the person had help from the police before yea i was in the wrong because i spend a few hours on this one long mission and sure enough here's someone savaging wrecks so like any other game why shouldn't i be able to fire on them? So i shot them and concord saves the day! but im in the wrong i forgot... its a profession but its the same thing as looting someones can but w/e Navy Apoc and fits which was about 850million ? then spent a few hours doing the mission? you must be doing something terribly wrong to spend that much time with an 800+ mil ship. anyways loose 3+ bil more doing stupid things and ill invite you to join my corp, we got salvaging ships to save your wrecks from unwanted mision trolls. this is what happen when a badly skilled pilot fly a ship he plexed.
just for fun, i passed my machariel (at todays price, it might be worth 2b+) to a new player who could just fly it (so not that much new player but still), he was lacking many "basic" skills, and we started a mission together, well, he was unable to handle it, and almost lost it, and his stats were just plain bad (dps / tank etc...)
so not that surprised that a newplayer perform terrible, even with a 800m + ship, and take in count that in my example, the fit was correct, how are the odds that a new guy is having a good fitting, i would say less than 50%.
it is not easy to remember when we were noob, and the monstruositys we flown back then ^^ |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
138
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Posted - 2013.07.17 08:55:00 -
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Valleria Darkmoon wrote:Last thing, when I did still mission in high sec back in the day, I would abandon all wrecks anytime someone warped into my mission meaning they could even take my loot and I couldn't shoot them.
You know what?
Most of the time they see the wrecks turn yellow to blue and they won't even take your stuff, they just leave as you have just demonstrated that you are not going to allow them to suck you in and their tear bucket is going to stay dry as the Sahara. (One mission's loot is never going to be worth losing your mission ship for anyway).
Show them you don't care about the loot or the salvage and they will just leave and go find someone they can provoke. They're not really doing this to profit by salvaging. They are doing it to make you mad so you do something dumb and allow them to loot your bling fit NApoc, that's where the money is. The second you tell them to go ahead and loot/salvage whatever they like they know the only way to kill you is by suicide. Often they will simply give up and move on as they won't be able to undock in highsec in anything with a cargo hold while they are global criminal, making the entire endeavor to kill and loot your ship much more complicated and risky. Much easier to just warp out and go find some other rube who will donate his tears and faction/deadspace fit. another good tactic is to shoot the wreck, preferably the ones near him.
and once in a while, you will catch a nervous noob who will be certain you shot him, will aggress back, and be concordoken (priceless tears to be harvested then).
indeed, wince the safety introduction, this might not work that often anymore... |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
11003
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Posted - 2013.07.17 10:00:00 -
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Relego wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:http://zkillboard.com/corporation/98181647/
I wonder how pissed he is now? Uhm, am I reading that right, and every major corp that frequents these boards decided to wardec him for tear extraction? That's what happens to you when you cry over a loss and then demand CCP change a mechanic for you. It kind of paints a huge bullseye on your corp.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Plastic Psycho
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
116
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Posted - 2013.07.17 12:18:00 -
[146] - Quote
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:http://zkillboard.com/corporation/98181647/
I wonder how pissed he is now?
Holy Mother of Moo - They've stepped in it now!
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Soylent Jade
New Order Logistics CODE.
32
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Posted - 2013.07.17 14:05:00 -
[147] - Quote
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:http://zkillboard.com/corporation/98181647/
I wonder how pissed he is now?
I am sad that there only appears to be one AWOX kill in that recent activity.
Relego wrote:Uhm, am I reading that right, and every major corp that frequents these boards decided to wardec him for tear extraction?
OP should be war decced for his name and corp name alone. Posting a whine thread in C&P is just tasty, tasty gravy. Making hisec better...one Catalyst at a time
minerbumping.com |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
578
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:13:00 -
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Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:xxdeathxx thebeaver wrote:Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:Miners have same thoughts about the whole "can flipping" thing.
It's a basic game mechanic. It's not a bug and there is no way CCP will change it. EVE is designed to allow people to ruin your day if you let them.
You let them and they ruined your day. Now that you understand the mechanic you can adjust your play style. Well than we should be allowed to take cans without getting introuble right ? You CAN flip cans without getting "in trouble". CONCORD will not care. It does give the person who owns the can the ability to fire on you (not that it does a miner any good). The difference is that you OWN the can, NOT the wreck
We need miners fielding this:
FUFLIPPERS Skiff
High Strip Miner I
Meds Warp disruptor II Tracking Disruptor II Stasis webifier II PWNAGE Remote sensor Dampener II
Low Drone damage upgrade II x2
Drone
Hammerhead II x5
234 dps at all V.
Just wait for your flipper to turn yellow. |
Shiera Kuni
Norse'Storm Battle Group Circle-Of-Two
43
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:38:00 -
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Plastic Psycho wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:http://zkillboard.com/corporation/98181647/
I wonder how pissed he is now? Holy Mother of Moo - They've stepped in it now!
Gotta give 'em top marks for still existing, I suppose |
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