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Grace Ishukone
Ishukone Advanced Research
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Posted - 2013.07.10 11:30:00 -
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There have been a number of players delighting in using stabbers to derive into ice miners and bump them miles away from the ice. The speed differences are such that one stabber can pretty much end all possibility of mining anything in a system.
To the miners, this is horribly frustrating, because the person in the stabber does not get a criminal flag, does not get banned for harassment, and does not stop. Nor does flying their light ship into a stationary huge ship at high speeds damage the stabber.
So ... there are three choices.
1. People stop mining, and quit EVE. This has been a popular choice; many of the people I know who used to mine ice have simply ended their subs due to the Odyssey changes; they didn't like where EVE had gone, and voted with their credit cards.
2. Change the policy, so that deliberately ramming a player over and over (and over) without initiating pvp is defined as greifing. I would support that.
3. Add an ability for Mining Barges and Exhumers to go into siege mode, adding +50% defences and making the mining ship immobile for 5 minutes, as the vessel diverts all of its engine power into shields and gyrostabilizers.
(1) is not good, but is the logical consequence of CCP's poor design decisions and weak policies. (2) I would support. Except that it's CCP, they say things like "orbit the asteroid at 500m" (which does not actually work). (3) is a plausible option, because it does not rely on customer support to actually *do* anything.
Oh, and fix ice distributions. There is a Minmantar highsec system with 3 ice fields in it, and half a reigon in Ammantar space without any ice fields at all and no regulars better than omber (making it pointless for miners, and therefore pointless for pvpers, there being no miners to hunt). Put more random ice fields into lowsec at least.
Bad map => bad game, EVE still has an outdated bad map.
Oh and remove the self destruct and leave corp buttons from the quick menu. Neither are things that should be done quickly, and one miss-click leads to a ton of CCP GM time used. Basic design mistakes, 10 year old game, still making basic mistakes. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10019
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Posted - 2013.07.10 11:43:00 -
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Read this, and then post in the appropriate forum for ridicule.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
346
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Posted - 2013.07.10 18:36:00 -
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ccp i am a bad person and bad at eve, please make eve easier for me |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
174
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Posted - 2013.07.10 19:32:00 -
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Grace Ishukone wrote: 1. People stop mining, and quit EVE. This has been a popular choice; many of the people I know who used to mine ice have simply ended their subs due to the Odyssey changes; they didn't like where EVE had gone, and voted with their credit cards.
2. Change the policy, so that deliberately ramming a player over and over (and over) without initiating pvp is defined as greifing. I would support that.
3. Add an ability for Mining Barges and Exhumers to go into siege mode, adding +50% defences and making the mining ship immobile for 5 minutes, as the vessel diverts all of its engine power into shields and gyrostabilizers.
1. Good riddance. Eve needs interacting, social players, not more people treating it like a single-player game.
2. There was already a long thread about bumping, you have plenty of options to avoid bumpers. There are thousands of systems you can go to. If they keep following you, it WILL be treated as grieving.
3. Sure, if the mining yield goes down by 75% while sieged to keep the Risk/Reward ratio in balance. I wish I were a cat. That way, I could kill things and people would applaud - instead of screaming out "OH GOD NO, NOT MY DAUGHTER!" |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1309
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Posted - 2013.07.10 19:47:00 -
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You seem to be unaware that you can still be bumped while in siege.
e: you also have zero evidence that mining has dropped since odyssey. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1315
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Posted - 2013.07.10 20:04:00 -
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Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Grace Ishukone wrote: 1. People stop mining, and quit EVE. This has been a popular choice; many of the people I know who used to mine ice have simply ended their subs due to the Odyssey changes; they didn't like where EVE had gone, and voted with their credit cards.
2. Change the policy, so that deliberately ramming a player over and over (and over) without initiating pvp is defined as greifing. I would support that.
3. Add an ability for Mining Barges and Exhumers to go into siege mode, adding +50% defences and making the mining ship immobile for 5 minutes, as the vessel diverts all of its engine power into shields and gyrostabilizers.
1. Good riddance. Eve needs interacting, social players, not more people treating it like a single-player game. (...).
Chatting in channel is also a social activity. And quite a important one for certain miners. CCP Unifex: -á"lurking single players (...)-áare the majority of characters on Tranquility"
...And so now we know why CCP hasn't done anything for soloers since Apochrypha. |
Elizabeth Aideron
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
85
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Posted - 2013.07.10 20:06:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Grace Ishukone wrote: 1. People stop mining, and quit EVE. This has been a popular choice; many of the people I know who used to mine ice have simply ended their subs due to the Odyssey changes; they didn't like where EVE had gone, and voted with their credit cards.
2. Change the policy, so that deliberately ramming a player over and over (and over) without initiating pvp is defined as greifing. I would support that.
3. Add an ability for Mining Barges and Exhumers to go into siege mode, adding +50% defences and making the mining ship immobile for 5 minutes, as the vessel diverts all of its engine power into shields and gyrostabilizers.
1. Good riddance. Eve needs interacting, social players, not more people treating it like a single-player game. (...). Chatting in channel is also a social activity. And quite a important one for certain miners.
code-compliant ones? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10062
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Posted - 2013.07.10 20:28:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Chatting in channel is also a social activity. And quite a important one for certain miners.
I'll agree with you there, unfortunately most miners don't even do that, for example pre-odyssey, when the ice was infinite, you'd have the same people mining for hours without typing a word, because it involved actually being at the keyboard more than once in the time it took to fill the hold.
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad." |
Grace Ishukone
Ishukone Advanced Research
26
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Posted - 2013.07.11 08:48:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:ccp i am a bad person and bad at eve, please make eve easier for me
Did you notice that is what they have been doing for the past few years?
Seriously. You don't even need to scan ore sites any more, and there are no-pvp systems.
Remember: when you say "just quit eve" ... people do. And CCP keep spending a lot of real world money trying to get new players to try EVE ... and when those players quit, they revise the challenge level of the game down. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1208
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Posted - 2013.07.12 00:58:00 -
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Grace Ishukone wrote:So ... there are three choices.
1. People stop mining, and quit EVE. This has been a popular choice; many of the people I know who used to mine ice have simply ended their subs due to the Odyssey changes; they didn't like where EVE had gone, and voted with their credit cards.
2. Change the policy, so that deliberately ramming a player over and over (and over) without initiating pvp is defined as greifing. I would support that.
3. Add an ability for Mining Barges and Exhumers to go into siege mode, adding +50% defences and making the mining ship immobile for 5 minutes, as the vessel diverts all of its engine power into shields and gyrostabilizers. 4. Miners learn to pay the mandatory ten million isk to Supreme Protector of Halaima, Father of the New Order and Saviour of Highsec, James 315. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8413
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Posted - 2013.07.12 07:31:00 -
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Grace Ishukone wrote:1. People stop mining, and quit EVE. This has been a popular choice; many of the people I know who used to mine ice have simply ended their subs due to the Odyssey changes; they didn't like where EVE had gone, and voted with their credit cards.
Great, I hope they find a game that better suits their AFK, asocial playstyles. The rest of us are happy that as EVE enters its second decade, CCP is getting rid of crap that was much too macro-friendly like endless ice.
Grace Ishukone wrote:2. Change the policy, so that deliberately ramming a player over and over (and over) without initiating pvp is defined as greifing. I would support that.
That is already the case.
Grace Ishukone wrote:3. Add an ability for Mining Barges and Exhumers to go into siege mode, adding +50% defences and making the mining ship immobile for 5 minutes, as the vessel diverts all of its engine power into shields and gyrostabilizers.
Sure, just have it use a high slot, don't add high slots to the hulls and have it require a large amount of CPU. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10719
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Posted - 2013.07.12 07:51:00 -
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Do you think he knows that dreads can be bumped?
1 Kings 12:11
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GetSirrus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:58:00 -
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Why add an ability? Ships have had the ability to weigh anchor since time out of mind. Add a low slot module that works the same as mechanic anchoring a GSC. Means like most things in the game the pilot is now faced with fitting choice; in this case balancing yield, tank or the ability to anchor. Plus like hardeners or sensors boosts, provides the option of a counter. All things well within existing game mantra. |
Grace Ishukone
Ishukone Advanced Research
27
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Posted - 2013.07.18 23:43:00 -
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GetSirrus wrote:Why add an ability? Ships have had the ability to weigh anchor since time out of mind. Add a low slot module that works the same as mechanic anchoring a GSC. Means like most things in the game the pilot is now faced with fitting choice; in this case balancing yield, tank or the ability to anchor. Plus like hardeners or sensors boosts, provides the option of a counter. All things well within existing game mantra.
Yes, a module to have that effect would be a superb addition. Call it a Gyrostabilizer?
Oh and to maintain wider game balance, they could be "able to be fitted to barges or exhumers only", if that is needed. After all, that coding already exists (for strip miners). |
Benteen
Drone A.I. Servicing Inc.
12
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Posted - 2013.07.20 11:52:00 -
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mynnna wrote:You seem to be unaware that you can still be bumped while in siege.
e: you also have zero evidence that mining has dropped since odyssey.
That's probably because there's not been any stats released by CCP looking into it....
I haven't even logged on in over 3 months due to last "Expansion" which actually seemed to suit the PvP nuts more than the "high sec miner carebear". |
Lugia3
Pirates Incorporated
550
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Posted - 2013.08.29 21:28:00 -
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Grace Ishukone wrote:GetSirrus wrote:Why add an ability? Ships have had the ability to weigh anchor since time out of mind. Add a low slot module that works the same as mechanic anchoring a GSC. Means like most things in the game the pilot is now faced with fitting choice; in this case balancing yield, tank or the ability to anchor. Plus like hardeners or sensors boosts, provides the option of a counter. All things well within existing game mantra. Yes, a module to have that effect would be a superb addition. Call it a Gyrostabilizer? Oh and to maintain wider game balance, they could be "able to be fitted to barges or exhumers only", if that is needed. After all, that coding already exists (for strip miners).
We already have gyrostabs. They make projectiles do more damage, which you would probably know if you had any ship other than a Mackinaw. Yarr |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
205
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Posted - 2013.08.30 16:21:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote: We already have gyrostabs. They make projectiles do more damage, which you would probably know if you had any ship other than a Mackinaw.
It took you almost 40 days to come up with that response? Wow. I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC. -- TheGunslinger42 |
Lugia3
Pirates Incorporated
550
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:22:00 -
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Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Lugia3 wrote: We already have gyrostabs. They make projectiles do more damage, which you would probably know if you had any ship other than a Mackinaw.
It took you almost 40 days to come up with that response? Wow.
I didn't see this thread. "QQ threads are only allowed in the Out of Pod Experience forum." - ISD Cura Ursus |
Ciaphas Cyne
Turalyon Plus
15
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:28:00 -
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i cant tell you how happy it makes me to read all these "stop bumping me" tear threads.
just step back for a second and think about it....you are upset....cause somebody ran into your ship....and moved it....while you were afk....
do you realize how silly that sounds?
do you also realize that threads like this just make us wanna bump you more?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4280
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Posted - 2013.09.03 04:47:00 -
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Ciaphas Cyne wrote:i cant tell you how happy it makes me to read all these "stop bumping me" tear threads.
just step back for a second and think about it....you are upset....cause somebody ran into your ship....and moved it....while you were afk....
do you realize how silly that sounds? CCP needs to get on this immediately. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11471
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Posted - 2013.09.03 06:42:00 -
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GetSirrus wrote:Why add an ability? Ships have had the ability to weigh anchor since time out of mind. Add a low slot module that works the same as mechanic anchoring a GSC. Means like most things in the game the pilot is now faced with fitting choice; in this case balancing yield, tank or the ability to anchor. Plus like hardeners or sensors boosts, provides the option of a counter. All things well within existing game mantra.
Well whenever miners are mining within anchoring distance of a rocky sea floor, then I agree with you they should be able to.
1 Kings 12:11
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GetSirrus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
51
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Posted - 2013.09.04 05:16:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
Well whenever miners are mining within anchoring distance of a rocky sea floor, then I agree with you they should be able to.
We call them ships, we anchor cans, shall I throw you a buoy? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11471
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:10:00 -
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GetSirrus wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Well whenever miners are mining within anchoring distance of a rocky sea floor, then I agree with you they should be able to.
We call them ships, we anchor cans, shall I throw you a buoy?
No I'm not allowed those since the restrai- oh one of those, sure OK
But don't try and argue for game balance changes by using inapplicable real-life analogies.
1 Kings 12:11
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Manfreed Evulperson
THE KNIGHTS OF DAVION
0
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Posted - 2013.09.05 12:23:00 -
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Your gonna have to let go of this idea... of adding a module or anything to the game.
its NOT gonna happen, that would unbalance things WAY too much. in favor of mining (which I do quite a bit of myself) and well... just... no. sorry kid, ya see, if you make it any easier, or profitable, then people will flock with alts to asteroid fields, and pretty soon... all the fields would be empty before noon.
think about it a bit more... |
Elysia Hunter
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.09.11 04:54:00 -
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"3. Add an ability for Mining Barges and Exhumers to go into siege mode, adding +50% defences and making the mining ship immobile for 5 minutes, as the vessel diverts all of its engine power into shields and gyrostabilizers."
They have this, its called Orbit at 2500 meters and don't AFK mine. I'm not kidding your ship will automatically orbit the rock, and always return to that orbit Until you mine that rock to extinction. They can bump you till the cows return from Uttindar IV.
Minus the free shields of course. |
Oliver Stoned
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.09.13 03:04:00 -
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I would prefer to be able to deploy sentry guns/ECM turrets in the ice belt or ore site. Must have good standing with faction who owns the system.
That gives the PVPer's something else to shoot at.
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Alavaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2013.09.14 02:48:00 -
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Good job trying to push back against the bumping method of interaction Loyalty is a virtue, participation brings reward.
My main is out of sub ... NO, STOP BEING POOR I can't talk about my main due to TOS "clarifications" |
Yi-Ming Gren
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.09.16 01:53:00 -
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Oliver Stoned wrote:I would prefer to be able to deploy sentry guns/ECM turrets in the ice belt or ore site. Must have good standing with faction who owns the system.
That gives the PVPer's something else to shoot at.
sounds like a great idea, I love to see concord jump in on miners who take hostile action. |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cedar Knolls Research STEEL BROTHERHOOD
21
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:21:00 -
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How about not sitting in one place and orbiting a nearby roid. May not help much, but may help a bit, and if you get bumped, your ship will travel back into its orbit and you can continue to mine..... Why is orbiting to so difficult to do?
Every time I see a venture sitting still, I'll give them a bump & tell them to ALWAYS orbit. I'm pretty sure I've saved a few miners down the road with this lesson. Simple skills save hulls. |
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