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Cow Tipper	Posted - 2005.12.07 14:49:00 - [1] Hi I did a bad thing I aint going to bore you with the details but sufficient to say I got a 1 Bill ISK fine from CCP on my main account here's the thing when your account is in a negative balance you can not do ANYTHING in eve cant claim a free escrow cant run agent missions (they want escrow) cant use the market (even for insta selling) cant do a direct trade between charectors I can (and do) hunt in 0.0 but thats about the only thing I got left what I would like to ask the comunity for is help yeah I did a bad thing I admit it I am sorry I got a 10day ban (wich I deserved) now I would like to get back to the game if you got any extra ISK (any amount helps) please give it to the charector I am posting with pls dont flame be rude or a a-hole in this thread as I dont want it locked if you can give pls do so if you cant just move on Thanks eve addict :-)
Equinox II	Posted - 2005.12.07 14:53:00 - [2] Please, bore us with the details. ;)
The Slayer	Posted - 2005.12.07 14:53:00 - [3] You broke the EULA, got a 1billion isk fine, and now you expect the community to bail you out? Go mine! _______________________________________________________
Cow Tipper	Posted - 2005.12.07 14:57:00 - [4] Originally by: The Slayer You broke the EULA, got a 1billion isk fine, and now you expect the community to bail you out? Go mine! and what do you want me to do with the minerals after I mine ?? cant use the market remember as for the EULA I did NOT break it I did do something bad though and feel the 10day ban was a suiteble punishment what I did was a legal enough thing in eve (scam) however the type I did was not (only I did not know that before hand as it was the first time I tried it)
Balklanac	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:00:00 - [5] Cant you transfer the loot and minz to an alt char and sell it? I assume either you can or you cant
Carper	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:00:00 - [6] So basically, you want us to bail you out to the tune of 1 bil isk so you can go straight back to scamming people for their isk? Wow..
Yuna	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:00:00 - [7] Yeah bore us with the details, that way we know what we souldn't do, until then I wouldn't even think of giving ISK to a begger - I do not now the reason so...
Sykosys	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:02:00 - [8] Well this is called reaping what you sow to be honest. This type of debt though can only be payed by ratting it seems. Of course you can ask friends (If you have any) to jettison a ship and you can jump in it if you lose your current one. No I am not going to give that char any money and will ask fellow members of eve not to do so either. You thought you would get away with being a bad boy. I have no pity for you sorry. SYKOSYS _______________________ "She'll fly apart sir," "FLY HER APART THEN!!!"
Avon	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:03:00 - [9] Edited by: Avon on 07/12/2005 15:03:38 Can I have your stu... Oh wait. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Sovereign1100	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:03:00 - [10] all I have to say is: HA HA. I wish I heard more things like this. Even if CCP made posts every now and then to the extent of: We've banned 30 players this week, and fined 60 players 1bil isk. Its nice to know that they are on top of things. Its easy to say they arn't when they can't disclose to 3rd parties the punishments they dish out, but thats just not the case. Still, I wish I knew just how many they caught per week. Wonder if they have a quota to meet like the cops with speeding tickets
Douglas McCracken	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:05:00 - [11] Originally by: Cow Tipper what I did was a legal enough thing in eve (scam) however the type I did was not (only I did not know that before hand as it was the first time I tried it) This sounds like another scam to me tbh i doubt CCP would fine you and if they did, mentioning your punishment on the forums is against the Forum rules
Cow Tipper	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:06:00 - [12] Originally by: Carper So basically, you want us to bail you out to the tune of 1 bil isk so you can go straight back to scamming people for their isk? Wow.. lol if I wanted to scam more ppl I would make a alt and scam more (only escrow scams and that type as they are legal) however I do not wish to do that the charector that I was using for the scam btw was not the one that got the fine and that was my uber evil pirate/scammer this charector that got the negative ISK balance is a industrialist and lives in empire and tries he's best to be a good Citizen again you dont have to help as I said I did a bad thing I admit that I am sorry I did what I did (wanted a new toy real bad and made a bad decision) however I also know that I have helped others when they where in a bad spot and I am hoping that there are others out there like myself that will help you are not one and thats ok
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:07:00 - [13] Ratting in 0.0 to pay off a virtual debt. I'd quit if it were me.
Cow Tipper	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:09:00 - [14] Originally by: Balklanac Cant you transfer the loot and minz to an alt char and sell it? I assume either you can or you cant nope like I said I am kinda screwed atm :-) I am not asking for pity I know what I did was wrong and that I deserve it I am asking for ISK cause I cant play and I am a addict also remember when I do run out of ammo (or lose a ship) I cant buy more (wich again sucks) though of course the idear of a buddy jetisoning the item (s) are a god one (thanks)
Jester87	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:09:00 - [15] Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 07/12/2005 15:03:38 Can I have your stu... Oh wait. HAHAHH and HAHHAHA
Cow Tipper	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:10:00 - [16] Originally by: Deja Thoris Ratting in 0.0 to pay off a virtual debt. I'd quit if it were me. I am tempted however my account is old it would be a shame to quit a 30 Mill SP charector over this
Cow Tipper	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Deja Thoris Ratting in 0.0 to pay off a virtual debt. I'd quit if it were me. I am tempted however my account is old it would be a shame to quit a 30 Mill SP charector over this
Commisar	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:14:00 - [18] Dont let the door hit you on your way out scammer.
gfldex	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:15:00 - [19] Originally by: Cow Tipper cant use the market remember Make an alt on your account. Get some ISK with the tutorial agents. Then creat a Corp with that alt and join it with your main. That way you get a secure in station transfer ability. Skill your alt for some basic hauling to sell stuff. Go mine until your brain bleeds. After you got your wallet balanced start having fun again. :) -- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill\|lost my ship\|gank\|gate camp\|Verone/;'
Avon	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:16:00 - [20] Edited by: Avon on 07/12/2005 15:16:29 If you are an old character that I would know, eve-mail me. Oh wait, you can't afford the charge. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
gfldex	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:17:00 - [21] Oh, and file a bug report. Not being able to use a in station trade with -ISK can not be intentional. -- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill\|lost my ship\|gank\|gate camp\|Verone/;'
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Cow Tipper Originally by: Deja Thoris Ratting in 0.0 to pay off a virtual debt. I'd quit if it were me. I am tempted however my account is old it would be a shame to quit a 30 Mill SP charector over this If you have 30m SP and you have to scam on escrow to make cash, then you're doing something wrong. That, or you're just a p****.
migwar	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:24:00 - [23] So did you lose all the isk you scammed plus the billion isk? or did u transfer the isk, then get fined so you have -isk?
Lord Aradon	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:26:00 - [24] Originally by: Cow Tipper Originally by: The Slayer You broke the EULA, got a 1billion isk fine, and now you expect the community to bail you out? Go mine! and what do you want me to do with the minerals after I mine ?? cant use the market remember as for the EULA I did NOT break it I did do something bad though and feel the 10day ban was a suiteble punishment what I did was a legal enough thing in eve (scam) however the type I did was not (only I did not know that before hand as it was the first time I tried it) Um, 1) mine, sell gear to your friends, if you have any 2) kill many many many rats 3) kill yourself Free Websites
So'Kar	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:28:00 - [25] Originally by: Cow Tipper Originally by: Balklanac Cant you transfer the loot and minz to an alt char and sell it? I assume either you can or you cant nope like I said I am kinda screwed atm :-) I am not asking for pity I know what I did was wrong and that I deserve it I am asking for ISK cause I cant play and I am a addict also remember when I do run out of ammo (or lose a ship) I cant buy more (wich again sucks) though of course the idear of a buddy jetisoning the item (s) are a god one (thanks) Mine/npc and transfer minerals/loot to trial account and sell.
Azuriel Talloth	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:29:00 - [26] Don't you have any friends? ________________ "Pain is an illusion of the flesh. Despair is an illusion of the mind."
Thomus	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:37:00 - [27] Can you spell S.C.A.M? ur basically asking, in the busiest forum in the game, for ISK for nothing? I tried to run a legitamate unofficial gambling game with ISK, and no-one turned up, (Tom's Casino channel) :-), and now u want ISK for nothing at all? lol. g/l. ---------------- Tom
HostageTaker	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:38:00 - [28] WOW! Just wow..... the nerve some people have... You expect people to give you isk?! The same people that you were trying to scam out of isk in the first place?! Is there something wrong with your head? It's a shame that it's only a 1 billion fine, should be 10 billion; that way people like you just leave the game or are forced to resort to 2nd / 3rd chars to play or start over... Anyways, if you're here on the general forums begging for isk, that means you're gonna have a lot of time to think about what you did, since you can't make a billion in a reasonable amount of time.
Kuddel	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:43:00 - [29] ROFLLAMO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA i have an offer 4 u, i will give a ship with mining lasers and i employ as miner, u just jettision the ore and i collect it, then i pay u a lil bit 4 it :]
Haxa	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:45:00 - [30] 30sp, but a compleatly character where you can't do anything... hmmm wanna trade for a 4.2m pvp/pve char with a positive isk balance?
Thomus	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:49:00 - [31] Originally by: Haxa 30sp, but a compleatly character where you can't do anything... hmmm wanna trade for a 4.2m pvp/pve char with a positive isk balance? keep the gloves up....! :-D ---------------- Tom
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:51:00 - [32] Sell the account on eBay? 23? # Missile Tool # ex: P-TMC : USAC
DaMiGe	Posted - 2005.12.07 15:56:00 - [33] Originally by: FireFoxx80 Sell the account on eBay? BUYOUT! $5 allways good to have a scout alt ---> My vids <--- latest movie = the lottery
Ginio Moocow	Posted - 2005.12.07 16:04:00 - [34] Mine your butt off, put the mins in your corp hanger and get your corp to sell them for you then give you the ISK? you must have friends in your corp? that way you wont need to trade anything or use the market.. I am intregued as to what you actually did though ^_^ Good luck :) ------------------------ Long standing protestor against cruelty to intersteller cows!
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.12.07 16:08:00 - [35] I feel your pain. I do not have ISKies though but I have an osprey that was given to me a long time ago to make some ISKs. I can give it to you and tell you a spot where you can mine crimson Arkanor for some time where I can periodically collect the ores and refine to sell them for us. I will pay you 50% of the work. HTH. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Redblade	Posted - 2005.12.07 16:09:00 - [36] Originally by: Douglas Mc***en Originally by: Cow Tipper what I did was a legal enough thing in eve (scam) however the type I did was not (only I did not know that before hand as it was the first time I tried it) This sounds like another scam to me tbh i doubt CCP would fine you and if they did, mentioning your punishment on the forums is against the Forum rules Actualy they have put people on negative isk balance before so it's possible. And for the OP, happy hunting in the belts
Colthor	Posted - 2005.12.07 16:10:00 - [37] I'd give you the money, but I had to lend 1.5 billion to someone to bribe Guristas officials. When I get my 25% share of the 150 billion he's acquiring, I might see what I can do.
Saeris Tal'Urduar	Posted - 2005.12.07 16:17:00 - [38] /emote points her finger at Cow Tipper and laughs. Sucks to be you. Fun thread, and I didnt know CCP fines people. I bet that hurts more than a temp ban. Hehehehehe
Ginio Moocow	Posted - 2005.12.07 16:19:00 - [39] Originally by: Colthor I'd give you the money, but I had to lend 1.5 billion to someone to bribe Guristas officials. When I get my 25% share of the 150 billion he's acquiring, I might see what I can do. 150 billion o.O passes out please tell me that was a typo!!?! im so poor.... ;) ------------------------ Long standing protestor against cruelty to intersteller cows!
Haulsalot	Posted - 2005.12.07 16:23:00 - [40] Originally by: Cow Tipper Originally by: The Slayer You broke the EULA, got a 1billion isk fine, and now you expect the community to bail you out? Go mine! and what do you want me to do with the minerals after I mine ?? cant use the market remember as for the EULA I did NOT break it I did do something bad though and feel the 10day ban was a suiteble punishment what I did was a legal enough thing in eve (scam) however the type I did was not (only I did not know that before hand as it was the first time I tried it) CCP doesnt feel the 10 day ban was enough, thus the fine! Go out and mine (sell it to ppl directly), kill rats or what ever...just dont whine about having to pay for your crime against all of the eve community.
Lygos	Posted - 2005.12.07 16:28:00 - [41] 1)Plan a bigger scam. 2)Barter in the meantime. Seems you can't really go into 0.0 or pvp though considering you can't buy a new clone. You might as well just spend the rest of your EVE career on SiSi. Targetting Sig Variance -- "Everything I love is combustible."
Cow Tipper	Posted - 2005.12.07 16:45:00 - [42] Originally by: FireFoxx80 Sell the account on eBay? Thats against the EULA :-)
Lisento Slaven	Posted - 2005.12.07 16:50:00 - [43] Create an ALT and work them up till you can make enough money to pay off your other account. You have no reason to even touch the main account if you can't manage to make money with it. Make money with an alt (I figure you'll hit what, 5 mil SP before you can make a lot and lot of cash fairly well?) and pay off your main chars debt yourself. The less time you spend doing this the more time you're wasting. I can't imagine you have anywhere near enough cash to pay off the rest of this "fine" you say you have. You won't find anyone willing to give you a large amount of money either.
Buraken v2	Posted - 2005.12.07 17:03:00 - [44] "Common sence isnt very common"
Willo Vasquez	Posted - 2005.12.07 17:08:00 - [45] Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 07/12/2005 15:03:38 Can I have your stu... Oh wait. Class! lol!
Colthor	Posted - 2005.12.07 17:37:00 - [46] Originally by: Ginio Moocow 150 billion o.O passes out please tell me that was a typo!!?! im so poor.... ;) It was an in-character joke (think Nigerian email scams) in a mail from a friend's alt . I'm wandering off for a bit, but it seemed a shame to remove 1.5b from the game.
Spyn	Posted - 2005.12.07 18:07:00 - [47] Post a wallet screenie :) I wasn't aware CCP fined players. If it wasn't against the EULA, are they punishing people for things that we don't even know to be forbidden?
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.07 18:18:00 - [48] Originally by: Spyn Post a wallet screenie :) I wasn't aware CCP fined players. If it wasn't against the EULA, are they punishing people for things that we don't even know to be forbidden? No, they don't technically fine. But, lets say you run a scam that breaks the EULA in one way or another. You gain 5 billion, you blow it all on nice loot and faction ships. Then, they fine you... you're -5 billion. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Justus Imperius	Posted - 2005.12.07 18:29:00 - [49] Edited by: Justus Imperius on 07/12/2005 18:30:49 Originally by: Cow Tipper Originally by: Balklanac Cant you transfer the loot and minz to an alt char and sell it? I assume either you can or you cant nope like I said I am kinda screwed atm :-) I am not asking for pity I know what I did was wrong and that I deserve it I am asking for ISK cause I cant play and I am a addict also remember when I do run out of ammo (or lose a ship) I cant buy more (wich again sucks) though of course the idear of a buddy jetisoning the item (s) are a god one (thanks) So were you the one I turned in 7 times? Just by the way you are talking I think you are the guy I reported round 6 or 7 times on auction forum scamming characters. You scammed me and then I went hunting you. And found you everytime and turned you in every time. Just your typing manurisms and select grammer and ways you speak turn on my lil radar for you. I remember everything about a person when they **** me off. - Justice handed by the bomb and the gun is terror elsewhere in the world I'm from.
The Wizz117	Posted - 2005.12.07 18:29:00 - [50] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Spyn Post a wallet screenie :) I wasn't aware CCP fined players. If it wasn't against the EULA, are they punishing people for things that we don't even know to be forbidden? No, they don't technically fine. But, lets say you run a scam that breaks the EULA in one way or another. You gain 5 billion, you blow it all on nice loot and faction ships. Then, they fine you... you're -5 billion. thats stupid
Kahn Moquil	Posted - 2005.12.07 18:33:00 - [51] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Spyn Post a wallet screenie :) I wasn't aware CCP fined players. If it wasn't against the EULA, are they punishing people for things that we don't even know to be forbidden? No, they don't technically fine. But, lets say you run a scam that breaks the EULA in one way or another. You gain 5 billion, you blow it all on nice loot and faction ships. Then, they fine you... you're -5 billion. Indeed, the only way to end up with a balance of -1 billion, is to have spent the billion before CCP took it and gave it back to whoever it belonged to. So whatever toys it were that the OP bought for his scammed billion, he'd better sell them to get a positive balance again. I agree though that it's messed up that you can't even do direct trade or immediate market sells with a negative balance.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.12.07 18:43:00 - [52] Originally by: The Wizz117 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Spyn Post a wallet screenie :) I wasn't aware CCP fined players. If it wasn't against the EULA, are they punishing people for things that we don't even know to be forbidden? No, they don't technically fine. But, lets say you run a scam that breaks the EULA in one way or another. You gain 5 billion, you blow it all on nice loot and faction ships. Then, they fine you... you're -5 billion. thats stupid No its not.
Elgoom Opuk	Posted - 2005.12.07 18:45:00 - [53] That char was well known and respected by friends (and a lot of enemies as well).. this one is just.. a beggar
Squill Tepes	Posted - 2005.12.07 18:45:00 - [54] Hey I'll send you 10 isk. ...... auctually I dont want to send you any isk. Start a new char. ~Squill Tepes
Justus Imperius	Posted - 2005.12.07 18:46:00 - [55] his main = Paw Sandberg - Justice handed by the bomb and the gun is terror elsewhere in the world I'm from.
Firstname Lastname	Posted - 2005.12.07 18:47:00 - [56] he's not actually 1b in the hole, it's just a scam to get people to give him money. a good idea, too (until i just told everyone what he's doing XD)
Sovereign1100	Posted - 2005.12.07 18:58:00 - [57] I've been negative before. Lost a bs due to lag, petitioned, and bought a new one with the insurance in the meantime putting me close to 10mil iskies. CCP replaced the ship, but took the insurance money back (of course) and Bam. 10mil isk - 70mil isk = -60mil isk. Kinda sucked =) Same thing could have happened with a scam. make isk, blow it on stuff, loose it all. example: make 1bil off scam, buy a dread, ccp takes the isk back and gives it to the person scamed. You now have a dread and negative iskies. Oh, and a 10day ban.
Liisa	Posted - 2005.12.07 19:06:00 - [58] Edited by: Liisa on 07/12/2005 19:07:12 Originally by: Avon If you are an old character that I would know, eve-mail me. Oh wait, you can't afford the charge. Not adding insult to injury are we? Nooo.... Not that I mind...
Black 1	Posted - 2005.12.07 19:10:00 - [59] Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 07/12/2005 15:16:29 If you are an old character that I would know, eve-mail me. Oh wait, you can't afford the charge. rofl meh if CCP fined j00 u earned it tbh all i can say is gutted
Dreown	Posted - 2005.12.07 19:10:00 - [60] You can buy 900M for 150 euro in gtc's. you might wanne try that if you really want to continue playing Ah, and it's legal as well! -------------------------------- --------------------------------
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.07 19:13:00 - [61] Originally by: Dreown You can buy 900M for 150 euro in gtc's. you might wanne try that if you really want to continue playing Ah, and it's legal as well! But you can't pay the CSPA charge to evemail the guy the code... - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2005.12.07 19:14:00 - [62] CCP also fines players for duping exploits. Basically any exploit that results in the counterfieting of currency. However, the inability to even sell things with a negative balance is new. My guess is the market charges its fees before the completion of the transaction, and that it why it's malfunctioning this way. CCP fines players to make them replay their debt to the game, not to destroy the character; were they intended t omake the character unplayable, they would have simply banned him. Harry Voyager ____________________ I'm not an idiot; I just play one on the forums.
Fester Addams	Posted - 2005.12.07 19:21:00 - [63] Originally by: Cow Tipper here's the thing when your account is in a negative balance you can not do ANYTHING in eve cant claim a free escrow cant run agent missions (they want escrow) cant use the market (even for insta selling) cant do a direct trade between charectors In short you want us to belive that CCP has denied you just about every way possible to get out of this situation except donations? Now, firstly whatever you have to do to get back on a positive isk balance is part of your punishment as CCP set it but apart from that as the main way to make isk on here is to sell ore/minerals that you have mined I would be very suprised if a negative isk balance would remove this possibility. It is better in your situation if you simply try to petition it to the devs so that you atleast can sell stuff to get isk. As for begging, generally I dont give money to people that beg but in this specific case I will not give isk dyue to the simple fact the fine is suposed to be a punishment. ------------ 20. Is it true all pvpers have carebear alts? Yes, of course. I have so much fun looking up who's alt is who's kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
Firstname Lastname	Posted - 2005.12.07 19:42:00 - [64] Edited by: Firstname Lastname on 07/12/2005 19:43:03 Edited by: Firstname Lastname on 07/12/2005 19:42:49 Edited by: Firstname Lastname on 07/12/2005 19:42:30 Originally by: Firstname Lastname ]he's not actually 1b in the hole, it's just a scam to get people to give him money. a good idea, too (until i just told everyone what he's doing XD) please read this folks, and don't give him any money
Kiss Myass	Posted - 2005.12.07 19:50:00 - [65] haha hohoh hehehehe what did you do that caused this? Perhaps then we'll feel sorry for you... LOL
Slink Grinsdikild	Posted - 2005.12.07 19:51:00 - [66] To the OP: You don't seem to be all that fussed about getting out of the negative, if you A. Don't post with your main B. Don't tell us what you did exactly C. Post a screenshot of your wallet And you expect us to believe you? Suuuure.
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.12.07 20:00:00 - [67] Edited by: Dao 2 on 07/12/2005 20:00:01 u can still do a direct trade? ;p as in give mins to alt and he sells ;p
Concordoken'd	Posted - 2005.12.07 20:04:00 - [68] Wow how can you not see that this is a scam... nice coverup.
Spokie	Posted - 2005.12.07 20:13:00 - [69] It's an old scam. mOo did it 2 years ago when "someone" allegedly duped billions of isk and wired it to various mOo members out of spite.
Nyphur	Posted - 2005.12.07 20:18:00 - [70] A billion really is not that hard to come by. All it takes is for you to think of something to make some good ISK for time invested, then repeat that until you go insane. Everyone's saying you deserve it but I'd like to put another spin on that. If you manage to pay that debt off, Cow Tipper, you will be my new hero.
xeom	Posted - 2005.12.07 20:33:00 - [71] if in fact you are out 1bill dip into your real wallet and sell some time codes.You can remove the fee if you add the person.
Lord Dynastron	Posted - 2005.12.07 20:43:00 - [72] Originally by: xeom if in fact you are out 1bill dip into your real wallet and sell some time codes.You can remove the fee if you add the person. No codes for sale.. Cards yes... codes no.
Vegeta	Posted - 2005.12.07 21:01:00 - [73] Not the first time somebody has come in here in your position asking the same question. Remember Reverend? Make your own kind of music, sing your own special song.
Fantome	Posted - 2005.12.07 21:23:00 - [74] 30mil +sp : go in a right 0.0 where you can do at least something like 8-10mil/hours with npcs bounties, 150hours max and it's done . Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.
Cow Tipper	Posted - 2005.12.07 21:33:00 - [75] Originally by: Justus Imperius his main = Paw Sandberg actuelly that was the guy I bought this account of a while back (for ingame ISK btw) so nope thats not me nice try though
Boonaki	Posted - 2005.12.07 22:20:00 - [76] This is a scam or something, if not.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... you suck, and uhhh, oh you suck! Fear the Ibis of doom.
Tauruz	Posted - 2005.12.07 23:02:00 - [77] Edited by: Tauruz on 07/12/2005 23:05:34 Originally by: Cow Tipper here's the thing when your account is in a negative balance you can not do ANYTHING in eve cant claim a free escrow cant run agent missions (they want escrow) cant use the market (even for insta selling) cant do a direct trade between charectors Well firstly, you can't be in negative isk...but if you were, you could claim free escrow (costs nothing), you could run kill missions (no isk required) and you can direct trade between characters (once again no isk required). And as far as I'm aware, you'd be the first character to be given an isk penalty for doing something 'bad'. Try mining veld in Jita!
Gonada	Posted - 2005.12.08 00:09:00 - [78] sucks to be you eh ? lol basically if you did a bad thing, and got fined 1B isk, that kinda says you were screwing the game/ and communtiy that plays it somehow, and now you want to be bailed out? i hear WoW needs ppl -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
Tekka	Posted - 2005.12.08 00:13:00 - [79] I rate this thread : LOL! »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
Beast Rabban	Posted - 2005.12.08 00:14:00 - [80] Wanna know something F'd up to do? Sell the character for isk. If it is 30m sp you can get a few billion. Don't mention the negative wallet. Let the sucker find out after transfer. Then use the isk to buy a new character.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.08 00:18:00 - [81] ah well doesnt stop u using assets to make stuff etc
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.12.08 00:37:00 - [82] To the OP: Take a hike chump! ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
Kharakan	Posted - 2005.12.08 00:37:00 - [83] Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 07/12/2005 15:16:29 If you are an old character that I would know, eve-mail me. Oh wait, you can't afford the charge. Avon, I will now be proceeding to sue you for several billion ISK (and the obligatory 'all your stuff') for GBH. I think I just broke many bones laughing...
Scrammer	Posted - 2005.12.08 00:56:00 - [84] There are two clear scenerios here: 1) You're telling the truth, in which case you're getting what you deserve. The punishment CCP put on you is meant to *remind* you of whatever you did. Personally I think it should be more than 1 billion fine, but it should take you a while to get out of debt...and by the time you reach a positive bank account I hope you learned your lesson. 2) You're not telling the truth, and this is just a scam to get more money, in which case you deserve to be fined by CCP for 1 billion+ ISK anyway, seeing that you're using the public forums to rob people of their money. Either way, you're not getting a dime from me. ____________________ - Perception is everything
zerokwel	Posted - 2005.12.08 01:33:00 - [85] LOL i hardley ever come on the forums.. i wish i had more often give meh isk now as i want to buy something :) apoc and t2 warez ok now on a serious note what everyone wants to know """"WHAT DID YOU DO""""??
Samuel Baxter	Posted - 2005.12.08 01:51:00 - [86] Originally by: Cow Tipper here's the thing when you account is in a negative balance you can not do ANYTHING in eve cant claim a free escrow cant run agent missions (they want escrow) cant use the market (even for insta selling) cant do a direct trade between charectors I can (and do) hunt in 0.0 but thats about the only thing I got left You stated that you couldn't do any sort of economic-related activity in EVE, then went on to state that you could still receive money from hunting pirates. Logic dictates that hunting pirates would put money into your wallet (unless you've turned over a new leaf and have become a good Samaritan). Therefore, when an agent asks for a downpayment before a mission, you would be able to pay it, and then receive the money [and reward] upon completion of the mission. So remind me again: how were you not able to work with agents? Originally by: Cow Tipper what I would like to ask the comunity for is help yeah I did a bad thing I admit it I am sorry I got a 10day ban (wich I deserved) now I would like to get back to the game if you got any extra ISK (any amount helps) please give it to the charector I am posting with You've already confessed that [allegedly] the devs have fined you; therefore, it would stand to reason that they [and the GMs] would be watching you for further problematic actions. So why are you openly confessing this problem in a manner which will call further undue attention to yourself?
Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.12.08 01:53:00 - [87] Geeze...a 1 bil ISK fine? If I got that, I'd have to cancel my account. I've made like 2 billion in the entire time I've played EVE, and I've been here for a year and a half. -Wrayeth Go away.
Cow Tipper	Posted - 2005.12.08 01:58:00 - [88] Originally by: Tauruz Edited by: Tauruz on 07/12/2005 23:06:32 Edited by: Tauruz on 07/12/2005 23:05:34 Originally by: Cow Tipper here's the thing when your account is in a negative balance you can not do ANYTHING in eve cant claim a free escrow cant run agent missions (they want escrow) cant use the market (even for insta selling) cant do a direct trade between charectors Well firstly, you can't be in negative isk...but if you were, you could claim free escrow (costs nothing), you could run kill missions (no isk required) and you can direct trade between characters (once again no isk required). And as far as I'm aware, you'd be the first character to be given an isk penalty for doing something 'bad'. Try mining veld in Jita! you obiusly dont know what your talking about :-) you can in fact have a negative acount ISK it happens A if CCP takes away ISK from your account B if you got certain trade skills that allow you to use money not in your wallet (dont remember the name of that skill atm) and what I said is true you can NOT use the regular market for even insta sells (as the market claim the tax BEFORE the transaction) you can verify this by making a alt and try to sell something that its value exeds you wallet amount you can not recive even a free escrow we tried that today samme goes for direct trading between charectors you can however transfer stuff to your corp and (if you are a director) use the corp wallet however thats the ONLY way to use ISK and trade is by using corp wallet yeah I did something bad I tried to scam someone by selling a charector that did not exist thats all I did I thought that scamming was allowed in Eve and in fact it is read this As can happen in the real world, at some juncture someone may try to take away from you the possessions you have gathered with your hard work and effort in the dynamic world of EVE-Online, by using either a scam or an exploit. 1) A scam is what happens when someone takes advantage of your misplaced trust and robs you of your possessions via legal in-game means. When this occurs, there is nothing the GM¦s/Support Team can do for you. Although low and despicable, this is something that can happen in real life, and the world of EVE-Online has been made to resemble it in as many fundamental ways as possible. Example of a scam can be found here. 2) An exploit is when someone takes advantage of a bypass in normal game mechanics, allowing him to take advantage of you without you having any means of preventing it whatsoever. When this occurs, we implore you to contact your friendly neighbourhood GM/Support Team as soon as possible, to allow them to investigate the incident, prevent it from happening to anyone else, and possibly reimburse you for your loss. The problem is knowing the difference between the two. Hopefully this guide will help you determining whether or not you have been the victim of a legal in-game cheat, or an illegal exploit. If you aren¦t sure, please contact a GM or the support team and they will help you determine. In the end, it will always be your responsibility though, to prevent yourself from being taken advantage of, and the tools you employ to that end are a level head, practicality and a healthy distrust of strangers. Often you can tell whether or not you are dealing with someone who¦s trying to scam you by the way he is acting. If you feel that you are being rushed through a transaction, or if something doesn¦t feel right, you should back out. After all, it¦s a big galaxy and there are plenty more business opportunities out there. CCP claims that the type of scam I did was unlegal though and I accept that verdict (though they said it was NOT a exploit) they game the person I scammed back their 1 Bill ISK and since I already spend the ISK I went negative I spend that ISK on a new toy that is now worth maybe 500M (IF I can get that much) so I am screwed
Geoff W	Posted - 2005.12.08 02:02:00 - [89] POST A WALLET SCREENSHOT :X becasue this smells of scam
HostageTaker	Posted - 2005.12.08 03:06:00 - [90] "CCP claims that the type of scam I did was unlegal though and I accept that verdict (though they said it was NOT a exploit) they game the person I scammed back their 1 Bill ISK and since I already spend the ISK I went negative I spend that ISK on a new toy that is now worth maybe 500M (IF I can get that much) so I am screwed " ... yet you have the audacity to come here and beg the same people that you try to scam, to give you isk so that you can go on playing and scamming people... You got what you deserved, now stop your pathetic plea and live with your punishment, you'll find no sympathy here.
Wild Ice	Posted - 2005.12.08 03:33:00 - [91] CCP is very clear on it's character transfer policy. If you were selling a char you would/should have known this. It is there to enable us all to aquire good chars with protection while stopping alot of the need for EBAY sales. From their policy I am surprised you still have your account. Stop begging and get you mining lasers out. Or ask for membership from a corp that could help you by selling your ore.
garishwinner	Posted - 2005.12.08 04:43:00 - [92] Edited by: garishwinner on 08/12/2005 04:43:53 Originally by: Firstname Lastname Edited by: Firstname Lastname on 07/12/2005 19:43:03 Edited by: Firstname Lastname on 07/12/2005 19:42:49 Edited by: Firstname Lastname on 07/12/2005 19:42:30 Originally by: Firstname Lastname ]he's not actually 1b in the hole, it's just a scam to get people to give him money. a good idea, too (until i just told everyone what he's doing XD) please read this folks, and don't give him any money wow, umm didnt i see this 2 years ago, and then again from this same person over the summer, ok, umm ibtl??(talkin about the scam, not FN-LN)
Blue Alien	Posted - 2005.12.08 07:51:00 - [93] I second the HAHA post. If you know that you deserved it, part of the punishment is workin your wait out of that debt, get to work.
Lisa Run	Posted - 2005.12.08 08:40:00 - [94] Move the stuff you bought to another char and sell it. Not easy with ships, but with faction stuff etc. Like: - use alt with frig skill - make safespot - deposit safespot bm at a moon - hurry and go and get safespot bm with your main - put all the faction stuff and everything you want to sell into a fregatte, deposit it on safe and eject - go and get alt, board frigatte and put it all on escrow Well, if you don't want to loose the stuff that you have bought with your 'illegally' obtained isk, then live with it. I think most people know that character scams are forbidden, even if they never had the intention to do it. Btw.: Good job CCP/GMs !
Freyer	Posted - 2005.12.08 09:53:00 - [95] Well I think this is another scam brought to you by the OP, but more to that there are flaws in this story. According to the statement below which he used in his defence of the scam he pulled should have gone unpunished. ôyeah I did something bad I tried to scam someone by selling a character that did not exist thatÆs all I did I thought that scamming was allowed in Eve and in fact it is read thisö. As can happen in the real world, at some juncture someone may try to take away from you the possessions you have gathered with your hard work and effort in the dynamic world of EVE-Online, by using either a scam or an exploit. 1) A scam is what happens when someone takes advantage of your misplaced trust and robs you of your possessions via legal in-game means. When this occurs, there is nothing the GM¦s/Support Team can do for you. Although low and despicable, this is something that can happen in real life, and the world of EVE-Online has been made to resemble it in as many fundamental ways as possible. Example of a scam can be found here. (Hyperlink removed) CCP would never do that. They would never lay down a rule and decide to ignore it just for the sake of you. And just to show how dedicated CCP is in enforcing there rules to the letter please go and ready the Dev blog at the link below concerning the names of 4S and SAS. IÆm sorry but your story sounds very implausible, and if your account "is" in ûisk then its apparent your not telling the entire story or just lying. Tell me IÆm pretty

Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.12.08 10:03:00 - [96] I'm sorry but we do not allow begging threads on the forums. Imagine if everyone comes here to ask for money, we'd have no more discussions. Forgot what I wanted to write here...


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