The thing is, I'm talking about EVE, not WoW. If you're going to make sweeping statements about how people play EVE, cite EVE examples, not examples from some unrelated and irrelevant game. I know entirely what I'm talking about, and you have shown at every turn that you do not.

EvE players are no different from any other game nor how they think or act. Do you know why? Because those same players play OTHER games.

The future of EVE is in the past. EVE is ten years old. Do you understand that in the world of software, especially games, that is ancient history? The fact that EVE even still exists let alone maintains a playerbase, let alone half a million subscriptions and a core of dedicated, committed fans is absolutely incredible.

But if you're waiting for the next great leap forward, then I suggest you look elsewhere. The future of EVE was 5 years ago. Tomorrow was yesterday.You missed it. It came and went, and it was glorious; and, now the fact that it's still playable is simply a credit to the knowledge, experience and expertise that CCP has crafted, honed and embraced over the past decade.

"Apologist?" CCP needs apologists? They have provided one of the longest-running, most in-depth, balanced, robust and incredibly diverse gaming experience the industry has known, and they have done so since dial-up internet was still a pervasive technology. Why would they want to apologize for that? And to whom do they owe this apology?

If you don't like EVE today, you're not going to like EVE next year, or the year after. They're not going to fundamentally alter what has worked for 3723 days and counting. Why would they? For you?

Please, don't hold your breath. EVE is what it is and this is probably all its ever going to be. If you don't love it now, don't hang out on the forums and ***** about it and expect it to change. Just go pick up some cheap games on Steam during the Summer Sale and pass the time until a new MMO comes out.

EVE is your grandfather. He's not going to pick a new favorite food now because you're like "Jeez, Grandpa, that's gross." and he's not going to stop watching Wheel of Fortune just because you don't like it and think Jeopardy is cooler. He's going to sit on his recliner, kick back, and drink his Miller Genuine Draft and maybe watch a baseball game or two and then he's going to die of old age and a lot of people are going to go to his funeral beacuse, you know what, he's been the best damn grandpa ever to a lot of us.

Coaxing in new subscribers is getting more and more challenging...

If you chose to live in an oyster, Tippia, don't complain about not seeing reality.

What are your data on this? Because CCP stated that Retribution was the most successful expansion (in terms of subscription increase) in EVE's history.

Will CCP milk EVE with the F2P/cash shop combo? Well "never" is a long time, so I won't say the word, but it's difficult to understand why CCP would want to go that route while EVE is growing at historically high speed.

10 years down the line, if they have several other successful products providing them with sustained reliable income and EVE's sub rates are stagnant or declining, CCP may perhaps feel inclined to gamble with EVE's revenue model. It's difficult to see a valid reason for them to do so now or in the immediate future, though, especially as doing so would in itself require a major development project.

Are you able to understand the difference between "the number of subscribed accounts EVE has" and "how many people are logged in at the moment I log in"?

You understand that the one does not directly correlate to the other, right?

The future of EVE is in the past. EVE is ten years old. Do you understand that in the world of software, especially games, that is ancient history? The fact that EVE even still exists let alone maintains a playerbase, let alone half a million subscriptions and a core of dedicated, committed fans is absolutely incredible.

But if you're waiting for the next great leap forward, then I suggest you look elsewhere. The future of EVE was 5 years ago. Tomorrow was yesterday.You missed it. It came and went, and it was glorious; and, now the fact that it's still playable is simply a credit to the knowledge, experience and expertise that CCP has crafted, honed and embraced over the past decade.

"Apologist?" CCP needs apologists? They have provided one of the longest-running, most in-depth, balanced, robust and incredibly diverse gaming experience the industry has known, and they have done so since dial-up internet was still a pervasive technology. Why would they want to apologize for that? And to whom do they owe this apology?

If you don't like EVE today, you're not going to like EVE next year, or the year after. They're not going to fundamentally alter what has worked for 3723 days and counting. Why would they? For you?

Please, don't hold your breath. EVE is what it is and this is probably all its ever going to be. If you don't love it now, don't hang out on the forums and ***** about it and expect it to change. Just go pick up some cheap games on Steam during the Summer Sale and pass the time until a new MMO comes out.

EVE is your grandfather. He's not going to pick a new favorite food now because you're like "Jeez, Grandpa, that's gross." and he's not going to stop watching Wheel of Fortune just because you don't like it and think Jeopardy is cooler. He's going to sit on his recliner, kick back, and drink his Miller Genuine Draft and maybe watch a baseball game or two and then he's going to die of old age and a lot of people are going to go to his funeral beacuse, you know what, he's been the best damn grandpa ever to a lot of us.

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I dunno... did you read anything I wrote? Do you even understand how it's relevant to my argument? I don't think you do.
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I dunno... did you read anything I wrote? Do you even understand how it's relevant to my argument? I don't think you do.

The number of accounts "EvE" has could be a lot of things. How many characters have 10 or 20 accounts? Think this is the only guy with 100 accounts? Botters, miners, players making logistics alts... The number of "accounts" EvE has is arbitrary. It's irrelevant, and it doesn't reflect a damn thing. It's worthless data. Do you understand that?

The number of people logged in is not something you can see either. Do you understand that? 100x mining account guy linked above doesn't count as 100 people in my book. What you see are the number of accounts logged in, and apparently that now includes DUST. Granted, that's not that many people...

Why don't you do something useful and find out how many individuals play this game CSM guy. All I see you doing in this thread is taking unsubstantiated pot shots at people who actually contribute something.

No, they really shouldn't, because that's horrid game design. In EVE, better usage of your assets (skills, skillz, ships, modules, geography, and friends) should dictate fights. And guess what? They do.

Character skills being just one part of those assets does not make a mockery of it GÇö quite the opposite: it means they actually have a point in being there rather than sticking with some kind of obsolete and simpleminded level system when all that matters is time. The skill system is the best feature of EVE's design since it does away with that kind of nonsense. It's what makes it an actual RPG rather than just a braindead GÇ£level top trumpsGÇ¥ game, like so many other MMOs out there.
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I think he does. You made a claim (something about "its getting harder to attract people to the game") that isn't just incorrect, it's provably incorrect lol. Malcanis simply explained that to you.

EVE is still growing account wise and is stable, there is no evidence of declining real players or that existing players are leaving. There is no evidence of a growing number of trial account holders failing to sub (most trial accounts don't sub, but their is no proof if MORE trail accounts failing to sub) etc etc etc.

Claims should be backed with empirical evidence, yours are not.

Is that so wrong of me?

Prove to me the number of humans playing EvE is increasing.

Also: the awesome quote you so expertly relayed there was within the context of a hypothetical question. Maybe try reading?

Oh and Ace's bizzarro-land burbling about the iniquities of a skill-based character progression and rock-paper-scissors balancing is particularly hilarious. A bloo bloo hoo my battleship isn't a pwnmobile that lets me slaughter endless waves of low level players CCP should immediately change EVE to have WoW style progression so that EVE can have WoW style 20% year-on-year subscription declines. Truly a model to emulate!


It's amazing how she manages to be so consistently wrong and yet so very certain in her odd little impervious reality bubble.

All I want is to see that information too so that I can educate myself and evolve my opinion on the subject.

Is that so wrong of me?

It is disconcerting when you encounter people for which no amount of reason or logic or evidence means anything, but that's just humanity lol.

In her defense, she's not alone, 25% of everyone is like that on some issue or another. It is disconcerting when you encounter people for which no amount of reason or logic or evidence means anything, but that's just humanity lol.

Facts and Logic? Malcanis, you know better than that. This is GD - your heathen "evidence" has no place here.

This is why EVE should never EVEr be something that the Ace Uoweme's of the world would like and flock to. One of the best features of EVE is that it has no 'levels" a smart player with a lower "skilled" char can beat a dumb guy with 100 mil skill points. not like in other games where your level 70 or something night elf witchcraft chcuker is invincible to lower level characters no matter how stupid the guy at the controls is.

It's ok that people like those other MMOs, leave EVE alone.

People like you Jenn, spend more time mocking, than thinking. You're like Burger King with the negative ads, and just don't "get it" why McDonald's will always be #1 (they don't use negative ads).

9 million players enjoy WoW. 500k play EvE. That's all you really need to know. Spin those ships with excuses, but it's clear what sells.

People like you Jenn, spend more time mocking, than thinking. You're like Burger King with the negative ads, and just don't "get it" why McDonald's will always be #1 (they don't use negative ads).

9 million players enjoy WoW. 500k play EvE. That's all you really need to know. Spin those ships with excuses, but it's clear what sells.

9 million players enjoy WoW. 500k play EvE. That's all you really need to know. Spin those ships with excuses, but it's clear what sells.

Look at the ignorant assumption you make. WHY is 500k playing a game that isn't for everyone a bad thing?

Worst enemies to PVE overhaul would be carebears them self's...

Agents missions will stay unchanged if you want more challenge there are incursions and wh AI

I hope that in not so distant future they will redo some agents to offer missions that are for 2-5 player groups with dynamic content that require logi,s and warp scrams, usage of mwd and team work in general.

As for inc and wh i guess engine is not flexible enough nothings happening...