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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:26:00 -
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Spc One wrote:So basically we players can't use drones at all in missions or plexes. So why are drones forbidden in missions / plexes now ?! Yes we can. They're not.
You just have to take care of them and do a bit of aggro management to keep them alive.
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:30:00 -
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Spc One wrote:it's not about AFK it's about not able to use drones at all. So why doesn't ccp just remove all the drones ? As i see the drones are forbidden. You're able to use drones. You just can't leave them without supervision and you have to take more care in ensuring that the rats find you a bigger nuisance than the drones. The reason they don't remove all the drones is because there's no reason to. They most certainly aren't forbidden.
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:33:00 -
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Spc One wrote:Well i can only leave them for maybe 2 seconds max. No. Even so, take this opportunity to learn how to deal with the new AI.
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:34:00 -
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Spc One wrote:It's not a complaint, it's a question for CCP. Incorrect, becauseGǪ Why are they forbidding drones in missions ?[/quote]GǪthat's just nonsense. They're not, and your personal failure at using drones does not represent any kind of policy or design flaw on CCP's part.
So no, you're not asking a question (because the supposed GÇ£questionGÇ¥ is unbelievably idiotic and completely disconnected from realitty) GÇö you are simply whinging over your own inattentiveness and inability to play the game.
Quote:This RR is banable by ccp. No. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:37:00 -
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Spc One wrote:It's the fact-áfiction that you can't use drones in missions anymore. Fixed.
Quote:It's not whining it's a FACT. Incorrect on both accounts.
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Posted - 2013.07.18 04:59:00 -
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Elliavir wrote:Know which drones are right for the job - both in terms of damage type and size. Don't deploy larger drones if there are still small targets on the field, or your drones will wind up covered in frigates. Incidentally, this means that heavy drones are almost always the wrong answer. You might need the odd Berserker or Ogre against very-close-orbiting Angel or Merc ships, but that's about it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2013.07.18 07:10:00 -
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Jonny Monroe wrote:serious protip though: don't use drones on Recon 3/3. Some day, someone will figure out a way to kill that damned cloud!
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:18:00 -
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Panhead4411 wrote:You do realize the NPC essentially have no 'range'. Sure they do. They're just not the same ranges our weapons have. Many of the longer-ranged missions (or the missions against close-orbiting enemies) will amply demonstrate that the NPCs will miss at long ranges the same you do. They're just not clever enough not to shoot, so they start firing away as soon as possible.
If you want a lore explanation, just think of it as them using different ammo than you do, which explains why they do such appalling damage (all in line with how damage scales between short- and long-range ammo). It doesn't entirely explain why they don't switch to something more damaging as they come close, but hey, they have to leave something behind as loot, after allGǪ
Quote:Also, i'm enjoying seeing all these replies saying "well just use sentries or lights for orbiting frigs." Yeah, because not being able to use any other drones means nothing is broken. You can use other drones just fine. It's just not a good idea, since all you're doing is giving up damage application. This was just as true before, so that part has nothing to do with the improved AI.
Raw Matters wrote:As someone who came back to Eve recently and therefore having a good way to compare the before and after, I would absolutely support the statement that Drones are currently very much broken. Not really, no. It's just a matter of adjusting how you use them. They did it to improve the thread rats are able to project and to only have one set of AI code to maintain. The benefit of all this is that it means you get to learn things like proper drone usage even if you just shoot at red crosses, and that you have to pay more attention and prioritise your targets rather than just release and randomly press F1 as you read the newspaper.
The big question is: what did CCP want to archive with the Drone change anyways? It can't seriously be the afk-missioners, as those were perfectly balanced before the change. Doing a Worlds Collide with my Maelstrom takes about 30 minutes, doing the same with my AFK-Gila takes about 2 hours as drones are stupid, slow and do significantly less damage. The income on a WC is ~50 mil/h in the Maelstrom and ~12,5 mil/h in my Gila, where the later is only slightly higher than afk-mining in high-sec. So if anyone tells me that afk-missioning was an issue, we seriously need to do something about miners as well.
It hasn't particularly affected which ships can or can't kill rats, since it's still trivially easy to keep the drones alive.
Cat Troll wrote:It all comes down to: If you're Gallente, though ****, go use a Caldari/Winmatar/Amarr ship. How so? Gallente ships murder rats as fine as ever. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:22:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:The thing was CCP was nerfing drones being used in plexes (FW comes to mind here with multiboxers). They weren't nerfing drone use at all. It was just a side-effect of the (much needed) move to level-1 AI.
Quote:When missioning in EvE is easier than questing in WoW, there's a problem. How so?
Quote:EvE sets missioning up as an ISK faucet (but at a lower ISK/hr in high-sec than low and null), but doesn't want players to get too comfortable doing it as such (which is ironic as it's setup for exactly that). WoW it's turning in the quest that actually pays, there's little incentive to hang around to just farm. Eh, what? Of course the game wants players to get comfortable fauceting ISK through missions. That's why they're there. And there is absolutely no point in hanging around in missions to farm them since that just lowers your incomeGǪ and GǣfarmingGǥ them is the wrong term anyway since they only respawn once a day.
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:45:00 -
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Cat Troll wrote:Meh, I was talking about the drone boats, which Gallente tend to have lots of. I don't use drone boats, but those are now only useable with sentries and light drones, anything else and you can say bye bye to your drones. Let's seeGǪ I got my first Myrm some time around March or April 2007, and from that perspective, I must say, no, not really. You just have to know how the GÇ£newGÇ¥ AI works (in quotation because it is now more than four years old) and adjust accordingly. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2013.07.18 17:20:00 -
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Raw Matters wrote:Rats do not pose any threat, no matter the change, as one is able to perfectly calculate the outcome of a fight against NPCs, can take enough time to figure out the minor details and can warp out at any time should there be any mistake to try again. GǪwhich explains why so many people died when these changes came out and they couldn't warp out since they had run out of drones by mismanaging them. Wait what? But sure, you're right. Once you stop whinging and learn how the AI works, the rats pose no threats to you or your drones. That's why the OP's claim is ridiculous and why there is no real issue here. The real problem is, of course, that people seem to not want to get past that Gǣstop whingingGǥ part.
Quote:Every ship can kill rats, it comes down to the question of efficiency. GǪand drone ships can do it with frightening efficiency, same as always.
Quote:I made the mistake to read your other posts as well Tippia, and found nothing but blank statements or false arguments Such as?
Quote:Whatever it is, you are trying to defend a severe issue in this game, one that still exists even if you close your eyes, you just won't see it anymore. People not being able to keep their drones alive (a trivial task) is not a sever issue in the game. At most, it's a severe issue in their attention to the game, but that's not something the game can (or should) fix. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2013.07.20 10:43:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Pure Drone DPS are no longer viable for PVE They're as viable as they ever were. They just don't work as well if you're going AFK (this is a good thing). All you have to do is learn how the AI responds to various cues and what makes them prioritise one target over another. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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