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Smoking Blunts
ZC Industries Dark Stripes
622
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:58:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:Smoking Blunts wrote:CCP Rise wrote:I'm currently chatting with CSM and some other game design folk about working on the Ishtar a bit. Probably no update on what we come to as a conclusion until tomorrowish. please say your also chatting about the now worst hac the sac I would still bet on the eagle being the worst.
at least it can have a go at its role, ok needs a little more lock range to actually do it decently but still not looking to bad for it. the sac as a close range brawler needs that extra low. adding hml is just a meh we have to do something to it change and does nothing for a close range brawler.
was looking forward to it finally getting fixed but no, ill have to wait another 5 years OMG when can i get a pic here
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thorgil
Salvag. INC FEDERATION SOLARIS
6
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:01:00 -
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Quote:The biggest change here, and the one that affects all 8 ships, is a new role bonus. It is the same one that Assault Ships get, a 50% reduction in Signature Radius Penalty from Microwarp Drives.
thank you, that's gonna be fun. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1145
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:01:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:I'm currently chatting with CSM and some other game design folk about working on the Ishtar a bit. Probably no update on what we come to as a conclusion until tomorrowish.
what about the mwd bonus on the diemos... just to settle my mind... will this be looked at... at all?
pretty please with cherry on top... either a tracking or rep bonus. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |
Maximus Andendare
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
337
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:02:00 -
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JerseyBOI 2 wrote:I just think they should keep in the teiricide traditon and make AHAC version and Nano version You can't tiericide T2 ships, since they already represent a specialized "tier." The other specialized "tiers" of crusiers would be Recons, HICs, etc.
So, HAC is a tier (class? is that what they're calling them now?). You'd need both ships to be viable HACs in their own right, with various fitting options, weapon choices, etc.
As soon as you step onto the battlefield, you're already dead, born again at the end of the battle to live on and fight another day. |
JerseyBOI 2
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
4
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:04:00 -
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thorgil wrote:Quote:The biggest change here, and the one that affects all 8 ships, is a new role bonus. It is the same one that Assault Ships get, a 50% reduction in Signature Radius Penalty from Microwarp Drives. thank you, that's gonna be fun.
And thats great..for AHACS. throw some shield extenders on and fire up the mwd and not so great. Just make one role bonus for AHAC and one for Kiters, then these ships speed, sig, sensor strenth, and even weapon system and bonuses could be easily chosen.
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
123
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:05:00 -
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Those changes are awesome!
I'm totally **** happy about the deimos 4th mid, that gimmicky Kovorix-vaga-buff and DAT SACRILEDGE!
In all honesty, Sacriledge just looks amazing now, easily fitting med neut/1600/5 HAMs and now even having a drone bay (didn't notice the old one tbh) and THAT MWD BONUS! To me, Sacriledge is the new welpcane :)
\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/ I only correct my own spelling. |
pmchem
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
604
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:05:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:I'm currently chatting with CSM and some other game design folk about working on the Ishtar a bit. Probably no update on what we come to as a conclusion until tomorrowish.
oh god please don't screw up the ishtar, just give it a few more slight buffs to quiet the fitting nerds
the change from gun to drone focus was nice @pmchem on twitter || GARPA || Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
606
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:05:00 -
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I dont get all the people saying the ishtar needs more buffs. Tbqh, you could remove the highslots entirely and it would still be one of the best hacs. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
123
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:06:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:I dont get all the people saying the ishtar needs more buffs. Tbqh, you could remove the highslots entirely and it would still be one of the best hacs.
It's not all that great without links... I only correct my own spelling. |
JerseyBOI 2
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
4
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:08:00 -
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pmchem wrote:CCP Rise wrote:I'm currently chatting with CSM and some other game design folk about working on the Ishtar a bit. Probably no update on what we come to as a conclusion until tomorrowish. oh god please don't screw up the ishtar, just give it a few more slight buffs to quiet the fitting nerds the change from gun to drone focus was nice
M8 its been ******. Yeah it was cool pre nano nerf. And after it was alright in nano sentry set up. But then they made medium rigs and loki speed bonuses. Good bye Ishtar.
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Maximus Andendare
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
337
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:10:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Michael Harari wrote:I dont get all the people saying the ishtar needs more buffs. Tbqh, you could remove the highslots entirely and it would still be one of the best hacs. It's not all that great without links... Or modules.
As soon as you step onto the battlefield, you're already dead, born again at the end of the battle to live on and fight another day. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
4061
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:11:00 -
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For the love of all that is holy. You need to seriously rethink the Deimos. It already struggles to have any tank to get close to apply the blaster DPS and you nerf the tank significantly. I could be wrong, but if my memory serves me correctly any other HAC that wants to fit the highest DPS close range weapon system it has bonuses for, MWD and a large plate/extender - does not have to add 3 modules/rigs for the power grid. Most don't have to add any. So please consider unnerfing the EHP you did, look at exchanging the MWD bonus for another +5% to medium hybrid damage/rof and make sure it has the power grid to fit a tank to enable it to get on top of a target and enough power grid to fit the guns needed to apply the DPS when it gets there.
Please, please, please I can't say please enough. Think of all the dangers a blaster Deimos has to endure that most other HACs do not. The Deimos when doing what it was meant to do, be a close range brawler, is subjected to neuts, scrams and webs. If that is its area of operation it should be able to take some punishment there. Maybe changing the MWD bonus to -20% to incoming neutralizer effectiveness would be welcome. . |
Tung Yoggi
SnaiLs aNd FroGs Verge of Collapse
15
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:14:00 -
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5th mid slot on the vagabond, make it happen.
Nerf it 3 months later when you realize it was not that much of a good idea.
Please, please.
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Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
242
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:16:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:For the love of all that is holy. You need to seriously rethink the Deimos. It already struggles to have any tank to get close to apply the blaster DPS and you nerf the tank significantly. I could be wrong, but if my memory serves me correctly any other HAC that wants to fit the highest DPS close range weapon system it has bonuses for, MWD and a large plate/extender - does not have to add 3 modules/rigs for the power grid. Most don't have to add any. So please consider unnerfing the EHP you did, look at exchanging the MWD bonus for another +5% to medium hybrid damage/rof and make sure it has the power grid to fit a tank to enable it to get on top of a target and enough power grid to fit the guns needed to apply the DPS when it gets there.
Please, please, please I can't say please enough. Think of all the dangers a blaster Deimos has to endure that most other HACs do not. The Deimos when doing what it was meant to do, be a close range brawler, is subjected to neuts, scrams and webs. If that is its area of operation it should be able to take some punishment there. Maybe changing the MWD bonus to -20% to incoming neutralizer effectiveness would be welcome.
You do know that Rise only fits shield Deimoses right? |
JerseyBOI 2
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
4
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:17:00 -
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10% bonus to drone tracking speed and optimal
Make Omni Directionals high slot mods
fixed for you. Or delve inot the **** storm of making heavies useful (the hard way) |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
559
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:18:00 -
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I think there is a typo on the Ishtar.
It is listed as having only 125 bay, while the current Ishtar has 375 bay, with no mention of a major nerf there. |
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
606
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:19:00 -
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JerseyBOI 2 wrote:10% bonus to drone tracking speed and optimal
fixed for you. Or delve inot the **** storm of making heavies useful (the hard way)
Ishtar has that? |
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
606
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:19:00 -
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chatgris wrote:I think there is a typo on the Ishtar.
It is listed as having only 125 bay, while the current Ishtar has 375 bay, with no mention of a major nerf there.
Look at the HAC skill bonus |
Varesk
Origin. Black Legion.
448
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:20:00 -
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Ivol Kishtani wrote:Does anyone use the Muninn as a long range platform? I would think a 4th mid would be more useful than an additional low.
Yes, the Muninn is used as a long range platform more than a short ranged brawler.
also, please increase the locking range.
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Ezek Price
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
26
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:21:00 -
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Doed wrote: Muninn, designed for sniping, has a utility high, what? give it a mid instead of the high.
Smartbomb to reduce incoming missile dmg and clear drones. That is all. War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left.
My blog, Civire Commander: http://civre.blogspot.co.uk/ |
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Andrea Griffin
596
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:21:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:The Deimos when doing what it was meant to do, be a close range brawler, is subjected to neuts, scrams and webs. If that is its area of operation it should be able to take some punishment there. *cough cough* EWar resistance *cough cough* CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Temuken Radzu
Bendebeukers The Predictables
40
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:23:00 -
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I believe the Ishtar is should have something unique for being T2, right now it has the same drone bonuses as the Dominix. I would like to change te tracking/optimal range bonus for this: I also made the Ishtar lose a turret hardpoint
ISHTAR - Role Bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty
Gallente Cruiser Bonuses: 5 km bonus to Drone operation range per level 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and Damage
Heavy Assault Cruiser Bonuses: +5 drone bandwitch and 1 extra drone controlled per lv 50 m3 extra Drone Bay per level
Slot layout: 4H(-1), 5M, 5L; 3 turrets(+1), 0 launchers Fittings: 700 PWG, 285 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1400(-6) / 1600(-18) / 2300(+191) Capacitor (amount) : 1300(+175) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 185(-6) / .52 / 11700000 / 8.43s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 125 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 60km / 294 / 7 Sensor strength: 16 Magnetometric Signature radius: 145
The extra drone that is controlled can either be used for a extra group of light drones at Heavy Assault Cruiser V or for a extra Sentry or Heavy drone. This will make the Ishtar a true T2 ship i believe. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1145
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:24:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:For the love of all that is holy. You need to seriously rethink the Deimos. It already struggles to have any tank to get close to apply the blaster DPS and you nerf the tank significantly. I could be wrong, but if my memory serves me correctly any other HAC that wants to fit the highest DPS close range weapon system it has bonuses for, MWD and a large plate/extender - does not have to add 3 modules/rigs for the power grid. Most don't have to add any. So please consider unnerfing the EHP you did, look at exchanging the MWD bonus for another +5% to medium hybrid damage/rof and make sure it has the power grid to fit a tank to enable it to get on top of a target and enough power grid to fit the guns needed to apply the DPS when it gets there.
Please, please, please I can't say please enough. Think of all the dangers a blaster Deimos has to endure that most other HACs do not. The Deimos when doing what it was meant to do, be a close range brawler, is subjected to neuts, scrams and webs. If that is its area of operation it should be able to take some punishment there. Maybe changing the MWD bonus to -20% to incoming neutralizer effectiveness would be welcome.
Tracking bonus would help rails too... Just saying.... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
797
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:30:00 -
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Temuken Radzu wrote:10 droans
no. you get way enough DPS as it is. |
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
606
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:32:00 -
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Ishtar has battleship dps already |
Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
127
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:36:00 -
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While im thrilled about HACs finally getting rebalanced, I must admit I'm a bit underwhelmed. Esp. by the blanket MWD bonus, Ishtar's lack of fitting and some sad bonuses (Sac, Ishtar). Also whole class (or at least half of it) could use EHP buff. W-Space Realtor |
Drunken Bum
398
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:37:00 -
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MORE CPU ON THE ISHTAR. Come on. Its got the cpu of a frigate. After the patch we're giving the market some gentle supply restriction, like tying one wrist to the bedpost loosely with soft silk rope. Just enough to make things a bit more exciting for the market, not enough to make a safeword necessary. -á-Fozzie |
Maximus Andendare
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
338
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:43:00 -
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Marcel Devereux wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:For the love of all that is holy. You need to seriously rethink the Deimos. It already struggles to have any tank to get close to apply the blaster DPS and you nerf the tank significantly. I could be wrong, but if my memory serves me correctly any other HAC that wants to fit the highest DPS close range weapon system it has bonuses for, MWD and a large plate/extender - does not have to add 3 modules/rigs for the power grid. Most don't have to add any. So please consider unnerfing the EHP you did, look at exchanging the MWD bonus for another +5% to medium hybrid damage/rof and make sure it has the power grid to fit a tank to enable it to get on top of a target and enough power grid to fit the guns needed to apply the DPS when it gets there.
Please, please, please I can't say please enough. Think of all the dangers a blaster Deimos has to endure that most other HACs do not. The Deimos when doing what it was meant to do, be a close range brawler, is subjected to neuts, scrams and webs. If that is its area of operation it should be able to take some punishment there. Maybe changing the MWD bonus to -20% to incoming neutralizer effectiveness would be welcome. You do know that Rise only fits shield Deimoses right? Honestly, the Thorax hull would be MUCH better served by allowing the Thorax to continue using the paper-thin shield tank/high gank blaster setup, and give an extra low to the Deimos and make it a tanky brawler. The Zealot would still project damage better and the MWD bonus, such as it is, on the Deimos would help it to stay in range.
I'd design the Deimos to have 5/3/7 (with one high moved to a low), 4 turrets with one of the bonuses doubled up to 10% (and the other a RoF optimally). That way, the Deimos could do well as an armor tanky brawler and have the fitting space for an additional damage mod or more tank.
Paper thin tank works on the Thorax because it's so cheap. I don't want to paper tank a 200 mil isk ship for a niche max-gank setup and not really have one that excels at being an armor blaster brawler. Besides, if I was going to paper tank a high(er) isk ship, I'd just use a Talos.
As soon as you step onto the battlefield, you're already dead, born again at the end of the battle to live on and fight another day. |
Bl0odscream
Homowners
0
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:44:00 -
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Is there any chance of increasing the built-in targeting range of some of the ships that currently have 50km ones? With the additional rework being done on the long-range medium-sized weapon systems, it might be a nice fit. There is quite a range of targeting ranges on the current T2 HAC hulls. From 50km all the way up to 80km. The ships that have the lowest targeting range also have the lowest number of mid-slots making fitting the re-worked long range weapons more difficult to rationalize to fit.
"Why fit the long range systems if I can't target that far?"
Bumping up the ones with lower range might help add to the adoption of Beam/Rail/Artillery because you wouldn't need to fit SeBos and such to make the weapons reach their full long range potential. |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
244
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:44:00 -
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Rise, another thing to consider with your sentry love is the skill requirements. For a viable Isthar, you need lights+mediums, heavies, and sentries. That is a hell of a lot of training for the main weapon system. No other HAC has this intense training. It is over 3x the required skill points over turret based weapon systems in order to use all three classes of T2 drones. Please give us more drone loving bonuses. |
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