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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.07.19 14:49:00 -
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Schalac wrote:If someone has your API though it doesn't matter if it was hidden or not because they can access the shell of the character sheet. Oh sure. I'm just pointing out that having access to the password to the character sheet is not the same as having access to the actual account.
GǪit's particularly important since this difference looks like (under Swedish law) it would be the difference between a -º8 and a -º9c offence. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
symolan
BamBam Inc.
13
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Posted - 2013.07.19 14:58:00 -
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Grauth Thorner wrote: Again I'm not saying I approve this kind of data access nor do I state wether RoCkEt X was wrong/right. If this data was oh so important to Mino IV, he should've protected it this way. It's like leaving the keys of your car in any public location. Wether or not the guy who took your car was wrong/right by guessing what car the key belonged to and eventually taking it, it still was a stupid move and rather easy to blame the maker of the car for it.
As my car-keys do have a stallion on it, it's very easy to guess the car most places.
Should I forget my keys somewhere I for sure am stupid, however, that doesn't mean you're free to take the car. |
Bluemelon
Tr0pa de elite. Pandemic Legion
51
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:03:00 -
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Hi guys.
Update from BOPE corp - Rocket X was arrested on Friday 19th at 1544 at his home residence.
We'll keep you informed of his progress. |
EdFromHumanResources
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
175
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:04:00 -
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No damages, no court will care. But do please keep us apprised of your attempts to pursue legal action over a video game |
adopt
Tr0pa de elite. Pandemic Legion
597
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:04:00 -
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Only in EVE Online will people get assmad about spaceships
FREE ROCKET 2013 Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled.
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Shigsy
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
66
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:06:00 -
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gj butthurt faggots who called the police on him....
rip rocket x :( |
Kat Ayclism
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:06:00 -
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Bluemelon wrote:Hi guys.
Update from BOPE corp - Rocket X was arrested on Friday 19th at 1544 at his home residence.
We'll keep you informed of his progress. #freerocket |
cory Binchiette
Tr0pa de elite. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:10:00 -
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#Yolo #CantStopTheRock #Free Rocket X 2013 |
Grauth Thorner
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:11:00 -
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symolan wrote:As my car-keys do have a stallion on it, it's very easy to guess the car most places.
Bingo! The same goes for having 1234 as your password
symolan wrote:Should I forget my keys somewhere I for sure am stupid, however, that doesn't mean you're free to take the car.
Bingo! I'm not saying anyone was right by using the access to Mino IV's account without permission Creator of the EVE Custom Ship Labeler application: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=188954&find=unread |
adopt
Tr0pa de elite. Pandemic Legion
597
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:13:00 -
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Grauth Thorner wrote:symolan wrote:As my car-keys do have a stallion on it, it's very easy to guess the car most places. Bingo! The same goes for having 1234 as your password symolan wrote:Should I forget my keys somewhere I for sure am stupid, however, that doesn't mean you're free to take the car. Bingo! I'm not saying anyone was right by using the access to Mino IV's account without permission
I'd like to point out, the skill sheets are not accounts, you need an API and IDKey to access the account. It's merely a skillsheet that displays character information, you are not able to do anything malicious with the password to the skillsheet other than observe. Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled.
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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:16:00 -
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SmokinDank wrote:Kashmyta wrote:You wouldn't download a car! I would if I could! And someone change the combination on my luggage! 3D printing is getting more and more sophisticated everyday.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23878-3dprinted-rocket-engine-gets-its-first-fiery-test.html SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN!! http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schalac |
Jorden Ishonen
Kinetic Technologies
70
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:22:00 -
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You dun goofed, RoCkEt X. They know who it's coming from, because they back-traced it. You have been reported to the Cyber Police, and the State Police. And if you guess one more password, you'll be arrested.
Consequences....will never be the same. |
theelusiveyoda
Tr0pa de elite. Pandemic Legion
17
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:28:00 -
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Alot of people seem to be basing there opinion on the fact that the api was accessed via guessing the password, it wasn't the data that the API provides was shown on the page not the API not the account details or login details.
So saying that the api was accessed without permission is wrong because it WAS NOT ACCESSED, only the data it provides was accessed which the player Chose to be shown on eve board.
Things to learn here:
1) Don't Use 1234 as a password on eve board (ESPECIALLY IF YOUR IN A SUPER CARRIER OR TITAN) 2) Don't Log off a titan like a ****** without safe log off 3) Everyone thinks they are expert lawyers 4) Everyone thinks everyone else is wrong even when they are wrong 5) The rage in this thread makes me laugh so hard it took me about 20 mins to write this reply.
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
434
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:28:00 -
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Eh... what's grey about requiring someone to register an account and design their own username and password?
It's pretty straightforward.
You shouldn't be trying to login as someone else's account, and this is also why we have lock out timers associated with programs/websites that require a specific personal login. "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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ZehNarume
Tr0pa de elite. Pandemic Legion
71
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:32:00 -
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May I refer to what rocket said earlier in the thread:
RoCkEt X wrote: except for the fact he posted his PW in his application to PL. so the information is out there :)
This just ruins any illegal claim, as the guy has posted his p/w on an application on the PL forums intending on other PL members (and as it's public for other people) to see and in follow has given them authorization to access the material contained on his EVEBoard page.
I just smell butthurt https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2427385 - TS, Mumble & Webhosting -áfor iskies! :3 |
Zaxix
Long Jump.
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:37:00 -
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Yes, it is technically illegal. And obviously so, despite the protestations of some posters. Someone used an analogy with someone having keys and trying them out in locks. That is also illegal and is a very bad analogy. ***Prodigal Frog***
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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
465
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:39:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:RoCkEt X wrote:
data isn't private when it's on eveboard; passworded or not, you are sharing your API. the only way this effects the individual is ingame. and does nothing to their RL privacy. Technically the data doesn't belong to them, as all EVE online accounts and such are property of CCP... and as CCP states that all information gained by sharing of API keys is solely the responsibility of the player who shares them.... :)
Stop whining, my ribs are hurting from the laughter :)
If it is passworded and you have come by the password via illegal means including guessing, it is private. If I 'guess' the combination to your safe, I can't take whatever is in it without it being stealing, what you did is no different. Personally I consider this good grounds for the player to request CCP reimburse him, as for all it wasn't particularly secure, he was hacked as part of the attack on his titan.
This.
ZehNarume wrote:May I refer to what rocket said earlier in the thread: RoCkEt X wrote: except for the fact he posted his PW in his application to PL. so the information is out there :)
This just ruins any illegal claim, as the guy has posted his p/w on an application on the PL forums intending on other PL members (and as it's public for other people) to see and in follow has given them authorization to access the material contained on his EVEBoard page. I just smell butthurt
I smell damage control. Why would you "guess" a pw that has been given out beforehand? _______________________________________ Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime. |
dexington
Dexington Corporation
706
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:39:00 -
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adopt wrote:Only in EVE Online will people get assmad about spaceships
FREE ROCKET 2013
Only in EVE Online will people care about spaceships
BAN ROCKET 2013 I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Zaxix
Long Jump.
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:40:00 -
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ZehNarume wrote:This just ruins any illegal claim, as the guy has posted his p/w on an application on the PL forums intending on other PL members (and as it's public for other people) to see and in follow has given them authorization to access the material contained on his EVEBoard page.
I just smell butthurt Unless the PL application clearly states that the password will be used in perpetuity, repeated use is not automatically allowed. If i let you borrow my car once, it doesn't mean you can come borrow it whenever you want. ***Prodigal Frog***
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theelusiveyoda
Tr0pa de elite. Pandemic Legion
17
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:45:00 -
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Zaxix wrote:ZehNarume wrote:This just ruins any illegal claim, as the guy has posted his p/w on an application on the PL forums intending on other PL members (and as it's public for other people) to see and in follow has given them authorization to access the material contained on his EVEBoard page.
I just smell butthurt Unless the PL application clearly states that the password will be used in perpetuity, repeated use is not automatically allowed. If i let you borrow my car once, it doesn't mean you can come borrow it whenever you want.
No but if you let the person keep the car keys that implies that you allow them to keep using the car at will and you then cant SHOUT THAT THEY STOLE YOUR CAR.
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ZehNarume
Tr0pa de elite. Pandemic Legion
74
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:46:00 -
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Zaxix wrote:ZehNarume wrote:This just ruins any illegal claim, as the guy has posted his p/w on an application on the PL forums intending on other PL members (and as it's public for other people) to see and in follow has given them authorization to access the material contained on his EVEBoard page.
I just smell butthurt Unless the PL application clearly states that the password will be used in perpetuity, repeated use is not automatically allowed. If i let you borrow my car once, it doesn't mean you can come borrow it whenever you want.
You're actually ******** https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2427385 - TS, Mumble & Webhosting -áfor iskies! :3 |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
481
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:48:00 -
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ZehNarume wrote:May I refer to what rocket said earlier in the thread: RoCkEt X wrote: except for the fact he posted his PW in his application to PL. so the information is out there :)
This just ruins any illegal claim, as the guy has posted his p/w on an application on the PL forums intending on other PL members (and as it's public for other people) to see and in follow has given them authorization to access the material contained on his EVEBoard page. I just smell butthurt
Usually recruitment boards are private (as if folks really did see the recruitment process, they'd probably never join another guild/clan/corp again!). The only "public" there is the officers who handle them. After it's approved then applications can be publicly posted, and usually without the personal info (as some apps require RL names and phone numbers). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15630
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:48:00 -
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Zaxix wrote:Unless the PL application clearly states that the password will be used in perpetuity, repeated use is not automatically allowed. If i let you borrow my car once, it doesn't mean you can come borrow it whenever you want. If you don't want him to keep using your car, maybe you should take the key back? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
dexington
Dexington Corporation
706
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:50:00 -
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Rordan D'Kherr wrote:This. ZehNarume wrote:May I refer to what rocket said earlier in the thread: RoCkEt X wrote: except for the fact he posted his PW in his application to PL. so the information is out there :)
This just ruins any illegal claim, as the guy has posted his p/w on an application on the PL forums intending on other PL members (and as it's public for other people) to see and in follow has given them authorization to access the material contained on his EVEBoard page. I just smell butthurt I smell damage control. Why would you "guess" a pw that has been given out beforehand?
I was thinking the same.
Could not shut up.. got caught... trying to backpaddle.
"i didn't hack him, he gave me the password, please don't get ccp involved, i just want my mamma..." I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
ZehNarume
Tr0pa de elite. Pandemic Legion
74
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:51:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:ZehNarume wrote:May I refer to what rocket said earlier in the thread: RoCkEt X wrote: except for the fact he posted his PW in his application to PL. so the information is out there :)
This just ruins any illegal claim, as the guy has posted his p/w on an application on the PL forums intending on other PL members (and as it's public for other people) to see and in follow has given them authorization to access the material contained on his EVEBoard page. I just smell butthurt Usually recruitment boards are private (as if folks really did see the recruitment process, they'd probably never join another guild/clan/corp again!). The only "public" there is the officers who handle them. After it's approved then applications can be publicly posted, and usually without the personal info (as some apps require RL names and phone numbers).
The PL recruitment forums are public, hence how this information was obtained. Thus your point is irrelevant.
And actually, most recruitment forums are public anyway... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2427385 - TS, Mumble & Webhosting -áfor iskies! :3 |
theelusiveyoda
Tr0pa de elite. Pandemic Legion
20
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:54:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:ZehNarume wrote:May I refer to what rocket said earlier in the thread: RoCkEt X wrote: except for the fact he posted his PW in his application to PL. so the information is out there :)
This just ruins any illegal claim, as the guy has posted his p/w on an application on the PL forums intending on other PL members (and as it's public for other people) to see and in follow has given them authorization to access the material contained on his EVEBoard page. I just smell butthurt Usually recruitment boards are private (as if folks really did see the recruitment process, they'd probably never join another guild/clan/corp again!). The only "public" there is the officers who handle them. After it's approved then applications can be publicly posted, and usually without the personal info (as some apps require RL names and phone numbers).
PL recruitment posts are Public Access and posting information in the recruitment section is accepting that the information is publicly available. So then saying that someone used the information that you posted Publicly against your consent is just stupid. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
434
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:There's nothing "meta' about it, it is illegal, plain and simple. What law does it break?
-The Computer Misuse Act. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Misuse_Act_1990)
The amendments to the Computer Misuse Act 1990 by Part 5 of the Police and Justice Act 2006[8] are
Section 35. Unauthorised access to computer material[9] Section 36. Unauthorised acts with intent to impair operation of computer, etc.[10] Section 37. Making, supplying or obtaining articles for use in computer misuse offences[11] Section 38. Transitional and saving provision[12]-
Of course, this would only pertain to the country of which the server holds the information in regards to enforcing the law.
But as far as I know, Julian whatshisname from wikileaks is still being chased so I would only advise caution when trying to interpret the law for anyone questioning the validity of their conduct and take all considerations when doing something you think might not be okay to do. "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
481
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:56:00 -
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theelusiveyoda wrote:Zaxix wrote:ZehNarume wrote:This just ruins any illegal claim, as the guy has posted his p/w on an application on the PL forums intending on other PL members (and as it's public for other people) to see and in follow has given them authorization to access the material contained on his EVEBoard page.
I just smell butthurt Unless the PL application clearly states that the password will be used in perpetuity, repeated use is not automatically allowed. If i let you borrow my car once, it doesn't mean you can come borrow it whenever you want. No but if you let the person keep the car keys that implies that you allow them to keep using the car at will and you then cant SHOUT THAT THEY STOLE YOUR CAR.
Good luck trying to win that in court.
It all comes down to INTENT. Someone gives another a key to their house, it's fine for them to come over (like in home care, where nurses have to let themselves in the house). It doesn't mean it's okay to steal from the house, though. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:58:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Tippia wrote:What law does it break? -The Computer Misuse Act. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Misuse_Act_1990)
GǣThe Computer Misuse Act 1990 is an Act of the Parliament of the United KingdomGǥ GǪwhich has no jurisdiction over Swedish servers.
Quote:But as far as I know, Julian whatshisname from wikileaks is still being chased so I would only advise caution when trying to interpret the law for anyone questioning the validity of their conduct and take all considerations when doing something you think might not be okay to do. That's because he was trying to evade justice by fleeing the country where he was being accused of a crime.
Ace Uoweme wrote:Good luck trying to win that in court.
It all comes down to INTENT. Someone gives another a key to their house, it's fine for them to come over (like in home care, where nurses have to let themselves in the house). It doesn't mean it's okay to steal from the house, though. GǪbut since no theft took place, it would indeed be incorrect to run around and should that they stole anything. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
234
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Posted - 2013.07.19 16:00:00 -
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Alua Oresson wrote:Tippia wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:There's nothing "meta' about it, it is illegal, plain and simple. What law does it break? Since the "crime" occured in Sweden, I would venture that Swedish law was broken. A little Googling results in the offence being laid out in Chapter 4 Section 9c of the Swedish penal code. Quote: Section 9c A person who, in cases other than those defined in Sections 8 and 9, unlawfully obtains access to a recording for automatic data processing or unlawfully alters or erases or inserts such a recording in a register, shall be sentenced for breach of data secrecy to a fine or imprisonment for at most two years. A recording in this context includes even information that is being processed by electronic or similar means for use with automatic data processing. (Law 1998:206)
Thank you for taking the time to help educate Tipia. This type of community service is greatly appreciated.
I am sure she/he/it is working hard on legalzoom.com and other sources to try and prove she was in fact not wrong only misunderstood. |
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