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Kat Ayclism
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
12
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Posted - 2013.07.19 16:08:00 -
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HE'S ALREADY IN JAIL FOR HIS DASTARDLY DEEDS, HAVE SOME RESPECT YOU GODAWFUL PEOPLE
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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
466
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Posted - 2013.07.19 16:15:00 -
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Damage control by trolling? _______________________________________ Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
434
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Posted - 2013.07.19 16:31:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Tippia wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:There's nothing "meta' about it, it is illegal, plain and simple. What law does it break? Quite a few countries have laws against unauthorised access. Of course it's really only against the law when it embarrasses a big corp or the government but eh
Not to mention there's a difference between a civil violation and criminal violation.
/shrug "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
434
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Posted - 2013.07.19 16:32:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:RoCkEt X wrote:
data isn't private when it's on eveboard; passworded or not, you are sharing your API. the only way this effects the individual is ingame. and does nothing to their RL privacy. Technically the data doesn't belong to them, as all EVE online accounts and such are property of CCP... and as CCP states that all information gained by sharing of API keys is solely the responsibility of the player who shares them.... :)
Stop whining, my ribs are hurting from the laughter :)
If it is passworded and you have come by the password via illegal means including guessing, it is private. If I 'guess' the combination to your safe, I can't take whatever is in it without it being stealing, what you did is no different. Personally I consider this good grounds for the player to request CCP reimburse him, as for all it wasn't particularly secure, he was hacked as part of the attack on his titan.
Well, the eve-board is not ran by CCP, but from Chribba.
Compensation would not be due from CCP. "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
51
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Posted - 2013.07.19 16:36:00 -
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He got the ingo from The Sphere. |
Jayem See
Biohazard.
611
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Posted - 2013.07.19 16:38:00 -
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[/quote]
Well, the eve-board is not ran by CCP, but from Chribba.
Compensation would not be due from CCP.[/quote]
I agree. Chribba should refund the poor chump.
Nice patience on the kill Rocket - gratz.
Fake Edit. Also - this thread was absolutely hilarious. Aaaaaaand relax. |
Lucius Exitius
Protectors Holdings The Tribbles
13
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Posted - 2013.07.19 16:51:00 -
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Sounds like Rocket x got the password from the application he sent in to PL. If he can see the password in the application it means that he was authorized to look at the account, therefore he broke no laws, he was authorized to look, anytime you give out free intel like that expect it to be used against you. That being said I have my characters up on eveboard as well so I don't see the issues, if someone wants to work that hard for a kill then they deserve it. |
Zaxix
Long Jump.
179
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Posted - 2013.07.19 16:58:00 -
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theelusiveyoda wrote:No but if you let the person keep the car keys that implies that you allow them to keep using the car at will and you then cant SHOUT THAT THEY STOLE YOUR CAR.
Tippia wrote:If you don't want him to keep using your car, maybe you should take the key back? This is the problem with using analogies; inevitably someone tries to extend the analogy beyond the confines of the actual point.
If we were to continue using the car analogy, you've got a copy of the key, not my personal key. Even if you have a key, unless I gave you permission to use the car, whether you have a key or not is irrelevant. It's called "taking without owner's consent." It's illegal, and it's illegal pretty much everywhere. The key issue here isn't the key or password, it's whether or not the access is authorized. There are tons of examples of people accessing ex-boy/girlfriend's email/facebook/whatever accounts using a password given to them by the ex and getting in trouble for it. It's still illegal. Permanent consent to access would only be assumed in cases where ownership is an issue, for example, a couple who is separated but who still jointly own their house.
Quit pulling arguments out of your ass. You clearly aren't familiar with the legal framework. ***Prodigal Frog***
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Kat Ayclism
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
12
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:02:00 -
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Zaxix wrote:theelusiveyoda wrote:No but if you let the person keep the car keys that implies that you allow them to keep using the car at will and you then cant SHOUT THAT THEY STOLE YOUR CAR. Tippia wrote:If you don't want him to keep using your car, maybe you should take the key back? This is the problem with using analogies; inevitably someone tries to extend the analogy beyond the confines of the actual point. If we were to continue using the car analogy, you've got a copy of the key, not my personal key. Even if you have a key, unless I gave you permission to use the car, whether you have a key or not is irrelevant. It's called " taking without owner's consent." It's illegal, and it's illegal pretty much everywhere. The key issue here isn't the key or password, it's whether or not the access is authorized. There are tons of examples of people accessing ex-boy/girlfriend's email/facebook/whatever accounts using a password given to them by the ex and getting in trouble for it. It's still illegal. Permanent consent to access would only be assumed in cases where ownership is an issue, for example, a couple who is separated but who still jointly own their house. Quit pulling arguments out of your ass. You clearly aren't familiar with the legal framework. How long have you been practicing e-law? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15634
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:07:00 -
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Zaxix wrote:This is the problem with using analogies; inevitably someone tries to extend the analogy beyond the confines of the actual point. If we were to continue using the car analogy, you've got a copy of the key, not my personal key. Even if you have a key, unless I gave you permission to use the car, whether you have a key or not is irrelevant. It's called " taking without owner's consent." It's illegal, and it's illegal pretty much everywhere. The key issue here isn't the key or password, it's whether or not the access is authorized. GǪand the other issue is one of assumed and implied consent. There are plenty of situations where the continued use could be reasonably assumed.
There are also numerous examples where access has been given once, and then been turned into effective ownership because the details of the initial verbal agreement can't be established.
Quote:Quit pulling arguments out of your ass. Stop altering the argument.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
434
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:08:00 -
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Kat Ayclism wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote: If it's hidden behind a password it isn't public, even if the player used a simple password, as the INTENT was to keep it out of sight.
If only it wasn't posted on a public board.... something something not a reasonable expectation of privacy *vaguely legal related words* -9 billion einsteinbrainszzzzz...
Unfortunately, if I were to post my SSN, that would not give you permission to acquire it by trying all the door handles to my house and reading it from the card inside that same house.
Sine he was able to kill the titan through legit ways, grats to him on his hunt.
Unfortunately, he TRIED to do it through nefarious ways, so boo to that. "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3131
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:09:00 -
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If I were to guess any password of another user on any site, that would be hacking. Even if it was a game board.
Still under US law, at best, it's a matter of the mood of a prosecutor. Basically, if you are "of the system" of control you can get away with murder but if you are an activist then merely publishing an unsecured link, having not even done any hacking, will get you years in prison.
So, we'll see who is who in the pecking order of the real world by the consequences of an action that can either be dismissed as nothing or raised to a felony.
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Lucius Exitius
Protectors Holdings The Tribbles
13
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:12:00 -
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Zaxix wrote:theelusiveyoda wrote:No but if you let the person keep the car keys that implies that you allow them to keep using the car at will and you then cant SHOUT THAT THEY STOLE YOUR CAR. Tippia wrote:If you don't want him to keep using your car, maybe you should take the key back? This is the problem with using analogies; inevitably someone tries to extend the analogy beyond the confines of the actual point. If we were to continue using the car analogy, you've got a copy of the key, not my personal key. Even if you have a key, unless I gave you permission to use the car, whether you have a key or not is irrelevant. It's called " taking without owner's consent." It's illegal, and it's illegal pretty much everywhere. The key issue here isn't the key or password, it's whether or not the access is authorized. There are tons of examples of people accessing ex-boy/girlfriend's email/facebook/whatever accounts using a password given to them by the ex and getting in trouble for it. It's still illegal. Permanent consent to access would only be assumed in cases where ownership is an issue, for example, a couple who is separated but who still jointly own their house. Quit pulling arguments out of your ass. You clearly aren't familiar with the legal framework.
Except this is different. API keys in EvE online are used to check someones background, which is one of its intended uses. The website eveboard is an API key viewer. which means that it is a tool to see in game information. Scamming in EvE online is legal, if you give someone your API key in game then they can use it how ever they want, even maliciously. I would say since eveboard is a tool for eve online it follows EvE rules and therefore the information gained from it can be used for any purpose. To me eveboard is the same as adobe reader, its just a reader that puts your information in an easy to read format, doesnt stop it from being in game information just because its been pulled out of the game.
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
434
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:20:00 -
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theelusiveyoda wrote:Alot of people seem to be basing there opinion on the fact that the api was accessed via guessing the password, it wasn't the data that the API provides was shown on the page not the API not the account details or login details.
So saying that the api was accessed without permission is wrong because it WAS NOT ACCESSED, only the data it provides was accessed which the player Chose to be shown on eve board.
Things to learn here:
1) Don't Use 1234 as a password on eve board (ESPECIALLY IF YOUR IN A SUPER CARRIER OR TITAN) 2) Don't Log off a titan like a ****** without safe log off 3) Everyone thinks they are expert lawyers 4) Everyone thinks everyone else is wrong even when they are wrong 5) The rage in this thread makes me laugh so hard it took me about 20 mins to write this reply.
I'd have considered understanding what "confession" means and how it can incriminate you... but I digress, the rest of your rule points are spot on! "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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Phoenix Jones
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
68
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:25:00 -
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We're having this discussion? I think I guessed a pos password a month ago. Should I be banned?
It was not a email account, sometype of security portal, or to gain admin access to something. He put an api on a website. He has to attain some responsability for putting info on the web, regardless if be put a password up (1234 is a joke). He did his researched to make educated guesses on the guys schedule.
Good move.
You don't want your info public, don't put full api's on public servers. |
dexington
Dexington Corporation
707
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:29:00 -
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Kat Ayclism wrote:How long have you been practicing e-law?
and you are not? I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
434
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:30:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Zaxix wrote:Unless the PL application clearly states that the password will be used in perpetuity, repeated use is not automatically allowed. If i let you borrow my car once, it doesn't mean you can come borrow it whenever you want. If you don't want him to keep using your car, maybe you should take the key back?
The conundrum with that is some keys do not require a dealership in order to make a copy =( "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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Kat Ayclism
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
13
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:30:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Kat Ayclism wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote: If it's hidden behind a password it isn't public, even if the player used a simple password, as the INTENT was to keep it out of sight.
If only it wasn't posted on a public board.... something something not a reasonable expectation of privacy *vaguely legal related words* -9 billion einsteinbrainszzzzz... Unfortunately, if I were to post my SSN, that would not give you permission to acquire it by trying all the door handles to my house and reading it from the card inside that same house. Sine he was able to kill the titan through legit ways, grats to him on his hunt. Unfortunately, he TRIED to do it through nefarious ways, so boo to that. Good thing that this is totes comparable to an SSN, the keys to your car, etc..
To be clear, I would download *your* car and vigorously stick my keys into it repeatedly and with reckless abandon while blaring your SSN over my sickass sound system wit da bass drops all up in that. |
Templar Knightsbane
The Konvergent League Sev3rance
59
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:30:00 -
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Damn what an absolute waste of police time! |
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
321
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:35:00 -
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If Rocket were to be arrested for this then the people that made the accusation should be fined as well for filing a false police report. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN!! http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schalac |
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Kat Ayclism
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
13
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:37:00 -
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Schalac wrote:If Rocket were to be arrested for this then the people that made the accusation should be fined as well for filing a false police report. Let's just go ahead and arrest all of eve, m8 |
iskflakes
674
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:44:00 -
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The white-knight space lawyers are out in force today.
The titan pilot posts his EVE API on a 3rd party website designed specifically for displaying API information publicly. He then uses 1234 as a password, and THEN posts that password on a public site. At this point EVERYBODY IN THE WHOLE WORLD goes apeshit because one person decided to view this eveboard.
Anyway, you're all so mad about eveboard that you've forgotten to be mad about ISBOXER. I suggest you all go and make an ISBOXER thread, despite the fact that both ISBOXER and eveboard were just bling on this kill. The titan was doomed the moment he thought that "safe logoff" didn't apply to him -- if Rocket didn't get him, somebody else would have.
As always, good job Rocket. - |
dexington
Dexington Corporation
707
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:47:00 -
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Kat Ayclism wrote:Schalac wrote:If Rocket were to be arrested for this then the people that made the accusation should be fined as well for filing a false police report. Let's just go ahead and arrest all of eve, m8
Monkeys see monkey do.... PL != of eve...
Meta gaming != hacking, troll all you want.. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Kat Ayclism
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
13
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:50:00 -
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dexington wrote:Kat Ayclism wrote:Schalac wrote:If Rocket were to be arrested for this then the people that made the accusation should be fined as well for filing a false police report. Let's just go ahead and arrest all of eve, m8 Monkeys see monkey do.... PL != of eve... Meta gaming != hacking, troll all you want.. Smashing keyboard with hamhands != comprehensible sentences
Would you be this buttdevastated and e-lawyery if he was still in PHEW and not PL? |
dexington
Dexington Corporation
707
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:57:00 -
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Kat Ayclism wrote:dexington wrote:Kat Ayclism wrote:Schalac wrote:If Rocket were to be arrested for this then the people that made the accusation should be fined as well for filing a false police report. Let's just go ahead and arrest all of eve, m8 Monkeys see monkey do.... PL != of eve... Meta gaming != hacking, troll all you want.. Smashing keyboard with hamhands != comprehensible sentences Would you be this buttdevastated and e-lawyery if he was still in PHEW and not PL?
you are the one saying no laws was broken, who is it exactly who is being the e-lawyery... look in the mirror... I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
434
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Posted - 2013.07.19 18:01:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Tippia wrote:What law does it break? -The Computer Misuse Act. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Misuse_Act_1990) GǣThe Computer Misuse Act 1990 is an Act of the Parliament of the United KingdomGǥ GǪwhich has no jurisdiction over Swedish servers.
I would still reiterate the fact I did mention that the laws differ depending on where the servers are located(which doesn't mean they do not share the same laws although SOME laws like internet piracy are in fact different). I would also like t reiterate "I would only advise caution when trying to interpret the law for anyone questioning the validity of their conduct and take all considerations when doing something you think might not be okay to do." which I find odd you chose to leave that part out. It's still relevant.
Quote:That's because he was trying to evade justice by fleeing the country where he was being accused of a crime.
...Yyyeessss..... that's what you do when you don't give up. You give chase. "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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Bluemelon
Tr0pa de elite. Pandemic Legion
53
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Posted - 2013.07.19 18:03:00 -
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Hi Guys,
Update from BOPE Corp
After Rocket X's arrest following this incident he has released a statement denying fully any of the accusations brought against him. His family and friends are beside him at this troubling time and he thanks you for all your good wishes.
-Blue |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
434
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Posted - 2013.07.19 18:04:00 -
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Jayem See wrote:
I agree. Chribba should refund the poor chump.
Nice patience on the kill Rocket - gratz.
Fake Edit. Also - this thread was absolutely hilarious.
Oh I doubt Chribba would honor that petition. But still lol. "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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Talon SilverHawk
Ronin Cartel The G0dfathers
626
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Posted - 2013.07.19 18:05:00 -
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RoCkEt X wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Is accessing someone elses's account without their express permission illegal ? hmmm let me think about it .... err yes
Makes you think what other accounts he may try to access by guessing the password ?
Tal Oh dear... you got issues son. :)
lol
Tal
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
434
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Posted - 2013.07.19 18:05:00 -
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Lucius Exitius wrote:Sounds like Rocket x got the password from the application he sent in to PL. If he can see the password in the application it means that he was authorized to look at the account, therefore he broke no laws, he was authorized to look, anytime you give out free intel like that expect it to be used against you. That being said I have my characters up on eveboard as well so I don't see the issues, if someone wants to work that hard for a kill then they deserve it.
It read like he guessed at it though. Since that is what he typed. But since he clarified he did not see the pw, or access the app until AFTER the fact... well there ya go. "Never rub another man's rhubarb." -Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson) Just get a catalyst, blow him up and the post in local "Just a friendly reminder that I'm mining here and not you." -Abrazzar
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